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I went and got a university degree. My income went up and I spoke less rubbish when I finished, not more.
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I went and got a university degree. My income went up and I spoke less rubbish when I finished, not more.
The biggest misconception is that any religion is free. Many religions require a 10% tidings, others exist on weekly donations. Just because they don't charge for services per se. The catholic diocese of Newark, Nj take in over 500 million plus from donation every year. Benny Hinn doesn't fly around the world in private jets on God's pray. Pat Robinson raises huge amount of dough on his TV show. Even the Buddhist monks survive on donations. The bottom line is that some people will pay for spiritual salvation to sooth their souls no matter what the price.
Voltaire's Child
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Religions don't require anything. Organizations such as churches and cults do.
Gadfly
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Well I would stay as FAR away from the official Church of Scientology as possible. There are many more things wrong with IT than just taking your money.
NO! I agree! The official Church of Scientology should NOT be called a "religion". That is largely a pretense, a self-created image Hubbard tacked onto the subject to assist along PR, financial and protection lines. It is a farce. It is another one of his "tulpas" (to use Mystics word). Or, in other words, the concept of "religion" is largely an ILLUSION in Scientology. An intentionally created illusion.
Freezone is "free", because it is FREE FROM THE OPPRESSION AND RESTRICTIONS OF THE OFFICIAL RTC-CONTROLLED CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY. The context of the "free" is THAT. The concept of "free" in the term has nothing to do with any relationship to money. But, prices are MUCH lower than in the official Church of Scientology, because they are not wasting so much money on useless promotion, endless PR, glossy events, big buildings, extensive legal fees, paying private investigators, large staffs, continual mailings, great amounts toward defense activities, and so forth. "Overhead" is VERY HIGH within the official Church framework. Outside of it, those aspects are VERY different, and almost non-existent for the most part.
Differentiate.
But, overall, I can't disagree. Zen Buddhism is probably better if your goal is "legitimate spiritual expansion" as oppossed to the contrived, phony and exaggerated version of it one gets in Scientology (of ANY form).
Mystic Disclaimer: The tulpa/apparition known as L. Ron (LIPS) Hubbard never actually existed. He was an empty vessel, animated solely by dark forces. He was never "alive". So, any discussions of him, the organization he created, or the subject he was involved in are meaningless.
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Voltaire's Child
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The cult's true overhead (costs of rent, lights, staff berthing, yadda yadda) is probably somewhat high, all factored in. But I do think they make far and above that. They have their war chests and DM has his luxury cars, condos, bespoke suits and gambling money.
If the church really charged enough to keep themselves going with a modest extra bit for profit/appreciation/whatever, I think they'd be charging less than half, maybe even a fourth.
There are major world corporations that pay staff (far) higher than min wage, benefits, own their own buildings and yet sell their products at low prices while still not only covering overhead but actually making money and investing it.
I realize I'm using a business model here to compare CofS to but it runs itself like a business and is sales driven.
But again, I will remind everyone that professing an ology and being part of a group are two different things.
If the church really charged enough to keep themselves going with a modest extra bit for profit/appreciation/whatever, I think they'd be charging less than half, maybe even a fourth.
There are major world corporations that pay staff (far) higher than min wage, benefits, own their own buildings and yet sell their products at low prices while still not only covering overhead but actually making money and investing it.
I realize I'm using a business model here to compare CofS to but it runs itself like a business and is sales driven.
But again, I will remind everyone that professing an ology and being part of a group are two different things.
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FinallyFree
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It doesn't matter what the over head is. The orgs send a fixed percentage to RTC no matter how much money is made or how little bills get paid. scientology does not run itself like a business. I would know, I worked for them for years and now I have worked for real businesses for years.
scientology runs itself however they want, or rather however DM wants it. The facade of the orgs being run like businesses is just that. A facade.
Scientology is a slippery slimey organization that will camouflage itself in any way needed to obtain what DM is searching out and that is MONEY, POWER, CONTROL. Whether is be tax exempt status, the ability to not have to follow labor laws, laws on minimum wage – you name it.
Ron Paul
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Amen.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Well, sure, FinallyFree. I do agree.
I just find it so hideously wrong and ironic and weird and crappy on SO MANY LEVELS. I mean, every excuse they make, I can find something in the real world that rebuts it.
I just find it so hideously wrong and ironic and weird and crappy on SO MANY LEVELS. I mean, every excuse they make, I can find something in the real world that rebuts it.
Mockingbird6
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Okay, okay
First, Mystic, I am sorry for whatever did that to you, I hope you get through it okay.
Second, I thought the OP wanted to know one's own experiences on the L's so that's what I wrote. Yes, I have known people who stepped off the L's and crashed. And YES, I hate it when it is chalked up to their overts, because before that they were the biggest helpers, best auditors, best friends anyone could have, and then they were suddenly the biggest DB's and shunned by all. Same thing happens when someone dies--people sit around and discuss what they must have done to pull it in!
But I am not here to pander my data and opinions to those who thirst only for the negative. I am just telling what I know and what I think, and so are you. I invite anyone to add my comments to their mental data storage units, even if it's just in the "uncertain if it's true" category. I have had to use that category for a lot of the stuff I've read here, waiting to find the connector data that supports or disqualifies it in each case.
Oh, one more comment, about exterior with full perception, I worried about that for a long time after the L's and was glad no one asked me about it. But as I said in another post recently, since starting to find out the truth on the boards a few months ago, I have felt suppression lifting and gains returning. That includes realizing how exterior I am and how good my perception of it is, but I don't pay more attention to it than to the fact that I know how to tie my shoes.
Still feeling floaty, M6
First, Mystic, I am sorry for whatever did that to you, I hope you get through it okay.
Second, I thought the OP wanted to know one's own experiences on the L's so that's what I wrote. Yes, I have known people who stepped off the L's and crashed. And YES, I hate it when it is chalked up to their overts, because before that they were the biggest helpers, best auditors, best friends anyone could have, and then they were suddenly the biggest DB's and shunned by all. Same thing happens when someone dies--people sit around and discuss what they must have done to pull it in!
But I am not here to pander my data and opinions to those who thirst only for the negative. I am just telling what I know and what I think, and so are you. I invite anyone to add my comments to their mental data storage units, even if it's just in the "uncertain if it's true" category. I have had to use that category for a lot of the stuff I've read here, waiting to find the connector data that supports or disqualifies it in each case.
Oh, one more comment, about exterior with full perception, I worried about that for a long time after the L's and was glad no one asked me about it. But as I said in another post recently, since starting to find out the truth on the boards a few months ago, I have felt suppression lifting and gains returning. That includes realizing how exterior I am and how good my perception of it is, but I don't pay more attention to it than to the fact that I know how to tie my shoes.
Still feeling floaty, M6
Mystic
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Obviously you are hallucinating again. There is nothing to "get through" as there is no "did to me".
Thanks Mystic, I'm lovin' it!