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Vinaire

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Minuet #1 in G said:
Thanks for that Vin. Im getting a little further into it and its improving a bit for me.

A point you made earlier about how all the external influences impact on your ability to get any gain from processing, particularly SNOTS; this is very true for me, the whole exercise, all 8 years, was always under some sort of stress which intruded into session. I am finding with alternative practices, I can really relax (someone else mentioned getting into a theta state) where insights and realisations become easier to acheive. Think my whole life in auditing was affected by factors which created some stress for me consequently I got little from it. Lately, with simple practices like meditiation and EFT which I can do my self whenever I want, without any need for a stat etc I am having many insights and realisations. Many more than scio.

Cheers and keep up the good work. I am reading your issues which are very good advice.

Min
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You seem to be on the right path. One just knows it inside oneself. Nobody has to tell this to you.

These issues do not conflict with core Hinduism, core Buddhism, core Scientology, core Idenics, or core Psychology. They may be used to see what is added beyond the "core."

I am continually refining these issues based on the feedback I am getting. So, read the issues at the links that I have provided. The date on an issue will tell you how recent it is.

There are many more of these core issues yet to be written, but I have discussed many of those points here or on The Scientology Forum.

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Vinaire

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Individuality is the last bastion of EGO. Scientology promotes individuality.

What has OT Levels given us but STATUS THINK besides whatever improvement one got.

That STATUS THINK is there among OTs no matter how subtle it may be. STATUS THINK is what IAS is all about. STATUS is a good seller for it appeals to the EGO (individuality).

That same improvement as in those OT Levels can be gotten through Vipassana Meditation of Buddha, which I am essentially documenting in the following issues.

LOOK & NOTICE

EXPERIENCE

ATTENTION

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Gadfly

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Vinaire said:
Individuality is the last bastion of EGO. Scientology promotes individuality.

What has OT Levels given us but STATUS THINK besides whatever improvement one got.

That STATUS THINK is there among OTs no matter how subtle it may be. STATUS THINK is what IAS is all about. STATUS is a good seller for it appeals to the EGO (individuality).

That same improvement as in those OT Levels can be gotten through Vipassana Meditation of Buddha, which I am essentially documenting in the following issues.

LOOK & NOTICE

EXPERIENCE

ATTENTION
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Great issues Vin! I very much enjoyed quickly reading through them. I downloaded them for future use. I did the first question on one of them, immediately went exterior, and acked myself! Excellent stress on "no thinking". :thumbsup:

Also, very interesting how anyone REALLY DOING some of the drills will finally confront the "workings" of ones own mind. I never found ANYTHING in Scientology to operate from a CAUSE point with the PC gaining the ability to LOOK at ones own MIND, as something to "drill". But then, Hubbard frowned heavily on "introversion".

Hubbard seemed to stress "extroversion" as "looking out into MEST". It never made sense to me, because there is a HUGE "inner universe". For me, THAT is where I should have been looking! THAT is where attention should be intelligently directed. I like how your drills do that.

One "can" LOOK on the "inside", and NOT be "introverted". I get to points at times, with various drills, where sense of "out" and "in" vanishes, and I am just there, looking. Just passive, not interferring with what I can only describe as "calm looking". But the looking includes the entire "inner universe" along with the entire "outer universe".

Are you familiar with these guys:

http://www.dhamma.org

They offer a 10-day intensive "course", which looks very interesting. :yes:
 
Vinaire

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Gadfly said:
Great issues Vin! I very much enjoyed quickly reading through them. I downloaded them for future use. I did the first question on one of them, immediately went exterior, and acked myself! Excellent stress on "no thinking". :thumbsup:

Also, very interesting how anyone REALLY DOING some of the drills will finally confront the "workings" of ones own mind. I never found ANYTHING in Scientology to operate from a CAUSE point with the PC gaining the ability to LOOK at ones own MIND, as something to "drill". But then, Hubbard frowned heavily on "introversion".

Hubbard seemed to stress "extroversion" as "looking out into MEST". It never made sense to me, because there is a HUGE "inner universe". For me, THAT is where I should have been looking! THAT is where attention should be intelligently directed. I like how your drills do that.

One "can" LOOK on the "inside", and NOT be "introverted". I get to points at times, with various drills, where sense of "out" and "in" vanishes, and I am just there, looking. Just passive, not interferring with what I can only describe as "calm looking". But the looking includes the entire "inner universe" along with the entire "outer universe".

Are you familiar with these guys:

http://www.dhamma.org

They offer a 10-day intensive "course", which looks very interesting. :yes:
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Thank you, Gadfly. Yes I am familiar with those guys. I have not done that 10-day course, but I know many who have. It is a pretty intense course but well-controlled.

By the way, I am still fine-tuning those issues. So look for the latest version (by the date on the top) at the same links.

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Haven't read the whole thread yet, only some of it but wanted to put this data here.

from http://www.scientology-cult.com/tiziano-lugli.html



"Curiously enough that OT VII soon after made it to New OT VIII. As a side note, I always wondered why her husband (my uncle) paralyzed half of his body in a stroke soon after he attested to OT VIII, and on top of that I had personal knowledge of a half a dozen of other Italian OT VIIIs that died in recent years, one with a newly found out AIDS condition and another old friend OT V which had a severe irreversible stroke while on the Ship the last few years. I was always kind of baffled about this. All these OT VIIIs dropping dead? They're the ones who are supposed to go free!"
 
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me myself & i

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Vinaire said:
I don't think. I try to look at what is there.

What does your looking tell you in this general area? :)

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EGO for me is the exact word to point out the one missing piece of your truly beautiful articulation of your truly beautiful understanding Vinaire. Which outpoint is expressed by your using the word 'INDIVIDUALITY' where the word "EGO" should be present in it's stead.

Individuality is as certain as Nirvana my friend. And equally eternal.

Our ego is denied such immortality. Not our Individuality. L. Ron Hubbard erred greatly in failing to see and understand this invaluable distinction.

From my point of view. (of course, who else's?)

mm&i

(post 85, courtesty Nexus)
 
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mate

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Hi nexus100.

That is not strictly correct, as there are two ego's. There is the ego that a person develops from shortly after birth which might be called the "physical" ego, then there is the ego that a person has as part of the spiritual world. This ego might be called the "spiritual" ego, which is suppressed when the spirit enters a new body and then comes out on its own when the person dies and the spirit returns to the spiritual world.

Regards, David.


nexus100 said:
I agree with mmandI.
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Vinaire

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Individuality springs from Nirvana (or Brahma) with the first independent consideration generated. It is the consistency of that independent consideration throughout its subsequent morphing that shines forth as individuality. It morphs into different identities, and then into different physical bodies too.

This is the path of ego as I see it. It grows like an onion acquiring layers after layers.

It collects labels on its way too :D, such as,

David_Graham
Ex-Scientology-Kids
Ex-Sea Org
Ex-Class IX Solo NOTs C/S,
Ex-Universe Corps
Ex-QEI & D/QEI
Ex-FSO
Ex-SO
Ex-Scientologist
Declared SP

[Joke :D]

But one may reverse the process back to Nirvana (no-self).

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nexus100

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mate said:
Hi nexus100.

That is not strictly correct, as there are two ego's. There is the ego that a person develops from shortly after birth which might be called the "physical" ego, then there is the ego that a person has as part of the spiritual world. This ego might be called the "spiritual" ego, which is suppressed when the spirit enters a new body and then comes out on its own when the person dies and the spirit returns to the spiritual world.

Regards, David.
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That's a way to look at it. But what IS ego? What does it consist of?
 
RogerB

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nexus100 said:
That's a way to look at it. But what IS ego? What does it consist of?
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Good question, the answering of which by the way I note is "long coming" :) . . . . asking the Buddhist think types this question is rather like asking scientists, "What is energy, as in of what is this stuff, energy, composed of, what does it consist of?"

If you want blank stares and mumblings of inexactitude and opinion, try it! :roflmao:

RogerB
 
Vinaire

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Many times one asks a question because one is not willing to look for oneself.

But one has a notion and one is seeking agreement for it by asking others.

The best thing to do is to lay one's notion clearly on the table and then discuss it.

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Vinaire

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RogerB said:
Good question, the answering of which by the way I note is "long coming" :) . . . . asking the Buddhist think types this question is rather like asking scientists, "What is energy, as in of what is this stuff, energy, composed of, what does it consist of?"

If you want blank stares and mumblings of inexactitude and opinion, try it! :roflmao:

RogerB
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Joking and degrading, eh! What is the purpose of it? Entertainment?

Entertainment of what?

Nexus... do you see it now? :D

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Vinaire

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DN AXIOM 161: The control center attempts the halting or lengthening of time, the expansion or contraction of space and the decrease or increase of energy and matter.

This is a primary source of invalidation, and it is also a primary source of aberration.
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(1) The halting or lengthening of time would be the attempt to remove motion from or squeeze more motion into a unit of awareness.

(2) The expansion or contraction of space would be the attempt to force that awareness to expand or contract.

(3) The decrease or increase or energy or matter would be the attempt to condense or un-condense motion.

(4) This is altering what is there by force. Hence this is attempt at invalidation. This is how aberration comes about.

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