How does it feel being Clear?

[renegade]

I have been wondering about the state of Clear. I see posts that state it doesn't exist and posts saying otherwise.

If you went Clear getting auditing, what did it feel like? What differences did you feel before and after going Clear? Like no verbalization of thoughts, or you have no buttons that get pushed anymore (no longer reactive), or is it like having your trs in all the time (being in the moment ALWAYS), are your picture clearer?

 

[Mystic]

Is just a momentary condition of feeling like you've accomplished something. Just like any of the so-called "key outs".

It helps to "prove" to you that the spew of Lips Hubbard is correct when all it is, is a self-inflicted magnification of "Oh I'm so cool" or some such egobloat.

 

[Winston Smith]

Well I have always liked having a clear calendar, conscience, and view. Clear weather is nice also but not required. In general having clear direction (like say, Leonard Bernstein, as opposed to some of the doofi I have played under) is wonderful.

Most of the scientologically clear people I have ever known in my life were the most fucked up excuses for the human race imaginable.

Hope this helps.

 

[thetanic]

(To clarify after getting a PM: I remain skeptical about the existence of past lives. Here, I'm talking about my experience while in.)

My case is a little different as I, like several here, are past-life Scientologists.

That said, I never attested last life, so my case got a little whacked.

I'd say I was a bit less screwed up than most people, but maybe it's just because my own pain is familiar. I was certainly very shy, much shyer than last time around.

Attesting to Clear for me, the first time more than the second, was like someone couldn't put out the sun in my heart.

The implied invalidation later on when I was assumed to be not Clear and even given to a non-Clear auditor was really heartbreaking.

 

[Feral]

I went clear in '88 or '89. There is a subtle difference, basically that it suddenly stops working out so good in running R3RA.

There was none of the glory promised in DMSMH. Viz;

A clear has no psychosis no neurosis, has full color recall of all past events including sonic and another 55 perceptics. A clear is virtually incapable of a car accident and will not make an error computing the data they have available. They are free from irrational fears, hates and apprehensions.

A clear will be free of all psycho somatic ills and will have optimum health and vitality, they will have normal hearing, tactility and eyesight without the need of glasses. Their life expectancy is far greater than the norm. They will be free from arthritis, bursitis, common colds and other afflictions that plague man.

A clear is free from mental verbalization of thoughts and can compute on up to seven levels at once, they can work out in seconds what a normal person would take hours to work out. Intellectually they are vastly superior to Homo-Sapiens.

Cough cough cough.....gag.

Never met one, have you?

 

[thetanic]

Never met one, have you?

Nope. In fact, recently met someone who'd attested clear (and beyond) who said they were crazy....

Doesn't mean that moment of having it validated was any less spectacular for me.

FWIW, Dn never ran on me this time around. It was tried with more than one auditor. Nope. Dianetics as a book never indicated to me either.

Read into that what you will -- Scientology indicated (and ran), but Dianetics did not.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Clears are capable of full self-determinism and the ability to knowingly operate with a high native sense of justice, honesty & ethics.

However, while Clears are "capable of" such astonishing free will and abilities---should they in fact attempt to actually use those abilities, they would be declared SP.

 

[thetanic]

Clears are capable of full self-determinism and the ability to knowingly operate with a high native sense of justice, honesty & ethics.

However, while Clears are "capable of" such astonishing free will and abilities---should they in fact attempt to actually use those abilities, they would be declared SP.

Ding ding ding!

God forbid we should follow the creed and exercise our inalienable rights "to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others."

 

[uniquemand]

A Clear is an SP, by definition! They cease making case gain!

 

[Panda Termint]

Clears are capable of full self-determinism and the ability to knowingly operate with a high native sense of justice, honesty & ethics.

However, while Clears are "capable of" such astonishing free will and abilities---should they in fact attempt to actually use those abilities, they would be declared SP.

To which I might add; usually learn from their own mistakes and eventually cease answering questions that turn them into message board piñatas.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

A Clear has perfect recall.

That ability is particularly useful when your phone's auto-redial button is broken and you are trying to confirm all those call-avoiding, degraded, out-ethics OT's for an event.

 

[renegade]

Thanks for the replies.

I did not want the state of Clear to be invalidated on this thread out of respect for those that are. Just looking for actual changes that people felt after going Clear. Specific differences (a before and after kind of comparison).

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

(To clarify after getting a PM: I remain skeptical about the existence of past lives. Here, I'm talking about my experience while in.)

My case is a little different as I, like several here, are past-life Scientologists.

That said, I never attested last life, so my case got a little whacked.

I'd say I was a bit less screwed up than most people, but maybe it's just because my own pain is familiar. I was certainly very shy, much shyer than last time around.

Attesting to Clear for me, the first time more than the second, was like someone couldn't put out the sun in my heart.

The implied invalidation later on when I was assumed to be not Clear and even given to a non-Clear auditor was really heartbreaking.

From my viewpoint while being in the CofS.

I too am a past-life clear. Also, past-life Cleared Theta Clear.

Attesting to Clear this life-time was really no great shakes, other than it validated what had previously been invalidated. (Yes, a C/S, that was later declared, said I wasn't clear.)

Having been Clear my entire this life, there was really no difference in attesting to it, other than I had the cert that certified I was Clear.

The couple of years I spent with the invalidated state of Clear were a MESS. My first marriage got destroyed, not that it was great before. But I was definitely a bitch with the invalidated state of clear.

But per the definition, I'm not clear, just as no one else is clear.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I did not want the state of Clear to be invalidated on this thread out of respect for those that are.

Ooooops! Sorry for my posts, but....

I did not want the state of Clear to be validated on this thread out of respect for those that aren't.

Ooooops again! As a Clear, I should have known better than to have known about Clear.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Thanks for the replies.

I did not want the state of Clear to be invalidated on this thread out of respect for those that are. Just looking for actual changes that people felt after going Clear. Specific differences (a before and after kind of comparison).

Renegade,

The invalidative remarks about Clear on this thread ARE the "..actual changes that people felt after going Clear."

Be careful what you ask for, dude....

 

[exsomessenger]

the reactive mind is a concept of Dianetics and Scientology. Preclears are told that they have a reactive mind, and taught how to begin getting rid of it. They only begin "mocking it up" after they learn of its purported existence, often spending thousands of dollars to get rid of a nonexistent thing which they had no reason to believe even existed until they encountered Dianetics and Scientology.

And that is the sad punchline of Scientology:

Scientologists spend years, and a great deal of money, to rid themselves of something which they never had until they joined Scientology.

 

[thetanic]

The couple of years I spent with the invalidated state of Clear were a MESS. My first marriage got destroyed, not that it was great before. But I was definitely a bitch with the invalidated state of clear.

Yes, exactly. That was a really awful time for me.

I don't know what I attained, exactly, but it definitely was something. Clear isn't a good word for it, though.

Nor do I really know if it was something different than people who went the R6 route attained as the R6 route didn't exist Way Back When.

 

[thetanic]

What differences did you feel before and after going Clear? Like no verbalization of thoughts, or you have no buttons that get pushed anymore (no longer reactive), or is it like having your trs in all the time (being in the moment ALWAYS), are your picture clearer?

To get to some of these other questions:

1) Sometimes I verbalize thoughts, sometimes not. I also seem to have a private language other than English (as well as several foreign languages I've learned), which is convenient, because when I talk in my sleep no one else can understand. And yes, I do express thoughts in it as well. So far as I'm aware, it's a language unique to me.

2) I definitely have buttons. The change after my attest was that I could no longer hold onto anger, grief, etc. I can express them, I react, but it dissipates quite quickly. Suffice to say that this is not true for those I live around and I could be quite happy and cheerful when the other person is still upset. That said, I was like that as a kid.

It's really hard for me to hold onto righteous indignation as well, so it's a two-edged sword.

3) I'm frequently not in PT.

4) I have trouble creating pictures, and when I do create them, they can be elusive. I'm simply not highly visual in that sense. That said, I have great melodic and sonic recall.

I don't have any organization for what's happened in the past. There's no time track, no easy way to run stuff that's earlier similar. The stuff I can run is all stuff in present time, effectively.

I don't know if that's helpful or not.

 

[renegade]

To get to some of these other questions:

1) Sometimes I verbalize thoughts, sometimes not. I also seem to have a private language other than English (as well as several foreign languages I've learned), which is convenient, because when I talk in my sleep no one else can understand. And yes, I do express thoughts in it as well. So far as I'm aware, it's a language unique to me.

2) I definitely have buttons. The change after my attest was that I could no longer hold onto anger, grief, etc. I can express them, I react, but it dissipates quite quickly. Suffice to say that this is not true for those I live around and I could be quite happy and cheerful when the other person is still upset. That said, I was like that as a kid.

It's really hard for me to hold onto righteous indignation as well, so it's a two-edged sword.

3) I'm frequently not in PT.

4) I have trouble creating pictures, and when I do create them, they can be elusive. I'm simply not highly visual in that sense. That said, I have great melodic and sonic recall.

I don't have any organization for what's happened in the past. There's no time track, no easy way to run stuff that's earlier similar. The stuff I can run is all stuff in present time, effectively.

I don't know if that's helpful or not.

Thank you for this answer. It is very helpful.

I have also wondered if it has improved the ability to pick up thoughts or project them, improved creativity, increased tolerance of others, and anything else.

 

[Carmel]

There are so many descriptions and definitions of clear, including much debate amongst critics and those now out of the CofS, over what the "state" is or is meant to be.

I grant that *some* of the descriptions do fit the bill as a "state of being" (for want of better words), but by the same token I don't grant that the "obtainable state" in the theory (DMSMH) could ever be achieved simply by applying some kind of *procedure*......To me, it's more to do with an "X factor" in the individual, and some will never have it.

When I was C/S, at one point we had orders from up-lines to "un-declare clears who hadn't been run on Diantetics". This was pretty awful at the time and we orders queried so we didn't have to comply, then soon afterward the order was canned, but then it then came back again a little while later.

This was/is my biggest gripe about clear. A "state" is a "state", however the hell ya obtain it. To deny that someone couldn't reach it or that they couldn't have already obtained it, without Dianetics (despite the premise that we as beings have supposedly lived for lifetimes and lifetimes), is extremely arrogant and an outright lie IMO. In addition to this, I believe that "Dianetic Clear" as described in many texts, is a fallacy.