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Org Chart for Face to use for reference
The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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lkwdblds
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It took me a while, but I got it - GREAT!!
It took me a while but I got it! In the Scilon Org Board, the bird on top takes a dump, stays clean, the birds one row down get dumped on by only one bird, that is a good post, the birds of the next row down take twice as much crap as those directly above them and the guys on the bottom row, are constantly being dumped on. Gee, this is very important for a thread talking about being crew on the Apollo. One big picture says thousands of words. Those on the second and third tiers are the Sandy WIlhere's and Maria Starkey's of the Apollo crew while on the bottom row sat poor little naive newbie Lakey and others of my ilk. Why go to study to learn the Org Board when this graphic gives all the information one needs to know.
Lakey
It took me a while but I got it! In the Scilon Org Board, the bird on top takes a dump, stays clean, the birds one row down get dumped on by only one bird, that is a good post, the birds of the next row down take twice as much crap as those directly above them and the guys on the bottom row, are constantly being dumped on. Gee, this is very important for a thread talking about being crew on the Apollo. One big picture says thousands of words. Those on the second and third tiers are the Sandy WIlhere's and Maria Starkey's of the Apollo crew while on the bottom row sat poor little naive newbie Lakey and others of my ilk. Why go to study to learn the Org Board when this graphic gives all the information one needs to know.
Lakey
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I never heard of Deming and Drucker
I never heard of Deiming and Drucker before. Maybe LRH studied them when he took some Navy training at Princeton during WWII. (I just got that picture - that really indicates as the point he got his first intro to Admin Tech). Take your time Facey, this is a complex subject.
I had figured out some time ago that the Green on White Hubbard Admin Tech was no good. Even with enormous government tax subsidies in the form of not having to pay mnimum wages, overtime pay, taxes, workers comp insurance, medical, retirement benefits,etc. and despite having a nearly unlimitied pool of free slave labor, C of $, still can not pay their bills or pay anyone a salary that amounts to more than pin money. Just imagine what a WOG company could make if they had a religious tax exemption and a pool of slave labor. Say someone like Microsoft makes 10 billion a year right now, after taxes (I don't know the real figure}, with a religious tax exemption and a slave labor pool, they would probably make 40 billion per year.
Between Scn Tech and Admin, the Tech had the more validity of the two. The admin tech is just absolutely a terrible way to run an organization. It can only be attempted in a paramilitary type of dictatorship which has a religious exemptioin. Even there it is marginal and leads to a lack of growth sacrificed for immediate cash thereby resulting in an ARC broken field, large demands for refunds and a high defection rate - staff leaving or being kicked out in droves.
You have hit on some good points in your opening post on this topic. I'm looking forward eagerly to the coming installments of your essay on Scilon Management. If you publish it in book or pamphlet form, I think Carmelo's graphic would make an excellent cover piece. Is being shit on an active item in the R6 bank? If so, your management book would sell like hot cakes according to Hubbard's Promo theory.
Lakey
I’ve been trying find the time to follow up my post recently regarding some thoughts stimulated by a comment by Blue Spirit…unfortunately I’m afraid the response will nearly be a treatise if I ever find the time to do it and, unfortunately, no one will pay enough for me to spend the time to do the "fullblown" version. So I’m gonna dribble out a "Readers Digest" version over time so there may be some “sweeping” statements on my part that, over time, I will attempt to substantiate my reasoning (Man I can be pedantic sometimes, can’t I?).
I made a statement in my response to Blue Spirit’s post:
"My premise is all that “edifice” above is the artifact of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP—“How do I continue to keep getting all the money and admiration I want for something stole, continue to steal, lied about and can't actually personally do without being found out or going to jail?” And yes, I’ll agree that El Ron was absolutely brilliant."
Here’s how I see it…it’s gonna take me a few posts to get there:
Anyone that has read, at the very least, Deming and Drucker knows that many of El Ron’s “Admin Tech Breakthroughs” were rehashed, reworked and “squirreled" concepts from the work of others. Although El Ron had to go wholetrack to come up with the “Qual” concept, Deming was apparently able to come up with it over a decade before El Ron and nowhere in his works is any credit given to the Confederacy. “Management by statistics” was new and revolutionary to us neophytes but was an established subject and practice long before El Ron “discovered” it. El Ron “tailored” the subject for Hisself’s Empire and the generalized over simplifications and their emphasis that El Ron rendered had, in my opinion, a deleterious effect in application—as did a significant amount of the OEC/FEBC Model.
The OEC Model is fundamentally flawed for a number of reasons of which two major ones are:
It is a massive Monolithic Command and Control Organization system and MCCO’s are terrible models for Personal Service Organizations. There are innumerable reasons why this is so, however, one of the “biggies” is that MCCO’s are oppressive of individuals and independent expression and thought. It all looked good in print, sounded wonderful in theory but the actuality was an absolute Cluster F in practice. Take the concept of staff member reports; it was a bastardization of the "Standard" MCCO Model and an homage to Himmler. All chits roll down hill, people can get all messed up and have chit fits, every ones chits stink, and when you’re the Interested Party at a Comm Ev your Fans hit you with the Chits.
El Ron loved to talk about “not acting on a single report”—a well established datum in all MCCO Models throughout the 20th Century (such as the US Navy..unless under fire). However, El Ron continually acted on single reports from sources that were questionable. Through all the OEC Vols there is one after another of systems hardwired in that ensure that the MCCO El Ron “thunked up” stifles independent and creative thought and action and provides numerous ways to “tool the system”.
I knew MSH personally. I am convinced that a large section of Vol 3 and Vol 4 policy came from her. I personally have experienced (as I explained earlier in this thread) El Ron taking my written detailed explanation of how to do a difficult new position to a high standard of production with excellent products. El Ron bastardized my write-up and issued it as an HCOPL. The thrust of El Ron’s editing was to remove any vestige of the predominant concepts of my write up—which had been made by using references, extrapolations and passages from Hisself’s own works, i.e.: 1. Never sacrifice long term viable valuable products for short term upstats; 2. Taking the time to understand the viewpoint of another and truly enlightening them in terms of their own reality fosters and channels their own willingess, yielding greater viable production over time. The post of which I speak was a new one that, after I had piloted it and written up how to do it with effective results, El Ron added to all the Service Org’s Org Boards—with Hisself’s HCOPL as the Admin “Tech” of how to do it. That experience was one of a number of things that festered in my “craw” and lead to my eventually walking away.
As time went forward El Ron added on top of his MCCO Model a Rube Goldberg series of whistle’s and bells like the Flag Rep Network, the FBO Network, etc. But his ne plus ultra add on “tech” was the vaunted FEBC with the Production Officer/Organizing Officer System, which was later “reconciled” with his other “Breakthrough” the Establishment Officer System.
The net effect of the FEBC system was to inject “Steroids” into an inherently flawed MCCO Model. The name of that “Steroid” was ACT—Artificially Compressed Time.
I’m gonna end off here for now and pick things up in a day or so and for anyone that feels that. “Not everything in the Admin 'Tech' is wrong or bad"…I agree. I’ve got a few thoughts regarding that also that I’ll cover later.
I never heard of Deiming and Drucker before. Maybe LRH studied them when he took some Navy training at Princeton during WWII. (I just got that picture - that really indicates as the point he got his first intro to Admin Tech). Take your time Facey, this is a complex subject.
I had figured out some time ago that the Green on White Hubbard Admin Tech was no good. Even with enormous government tax subsidies in the form of not having to pay mnimum wages, overtime pay, taxes, workers comp insurance, medical, retirement benefits,etc. and despite having a nearly unlimitied pool of free slave labor, C of $, still can not pay their bills or pay anyone a salary that amounts to more than pin money. Just imagine what a WOG company could make if they had a religious tax exemption and a pool of slave labor. Say someone like Microsoft makes 10 billion a year right now, after taxes (I don't know the real figure}, with a religious tax exemption and a slave labor pool, they would probably make 40 billion per year.
Between Scn Tech and Admin, the Tech had the more validity of the two. The admin tech is just absolutely a terrible way to run an organization. It can only be attempted in a paramilitary type of dictatorship which has a religious exemptioin. Even there it is marginal and leads to a lack of growth sacrificed for immediate cash thereby resulting in an ARC broken field, large demands for refunds and a high defection rate - staff leaving or being kicked out in droves.
You have hit on some good points in your opening post on this topic. I'm looking forward eagerly to the coming installments of your essay on Scilon Management. If you publish it in book or pamphlet form, I think Carmelo's graphic would make an excellent cover piece. Is being shit on an active item in the R6 bank? If so, your management book would sell like hot cakes according to Hubbard's Promo theory.
Lakey
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lkwdblds
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Some thread Members gathered today.
I was joined today for lunch by some of my friends on ESMB, Blue Spirit and his wife were present as was Purple Haze. A special treat was that Lynn Fountain Campbell showed up. What a delightful person to talk to she is!! I think I had seen her around over the years but neither one of us was sure. Does it matter? Talking with a person such as her 30 minutes, it feels as if you have known her all your life. Sweetness and Light, the purported organizer of the event did not show up as was the case the last time as well. I know Sweet has had some major things going on which need handling and I hope everything is okay with her. Two people who were 100% confirmed did not show so Blue Spirit called one of them, and Purple Haze the other. Purple called Diana Class VIII and she was sorry she did not make it and invited us all to stop by her house but it was getting late and we declined. The other person was Tory/ Magoo. She offered to drop by for 45 minutes but when she found out where we were she changed her mind. We had such a nice time, we stayed together talking for about 5 hours. Lynn had a very good time and joined the nucleus of our group.
It reminded me of the old days when a group of us went to Denny's or the House of Pies after course and talked about the tech and our hopes for the future. I was 30 then and the others were in their 20's. Fast forward 40 years and you can see what the ages are like and yet it was even more fun this time around!!! The youthful exuberance is still there with us and even the bodies look pretty decent. Nobody looks the least bit decrepid or old, we look like middle aged people except we are more animated and higher toned than most. We are more sane now, we were smart, aware and reasonably sane then and even more so now on all counts. Time is seen to be an apparency because we beings do not change that much with time passage, our bodies change significantly, the hair and clothes styles change, the neigborhoods change and the technical apparatus has advanced with everyone carrying ipods and cell phones but the beings are still the same. In our case, I believe we are all wiser and more mature but we are still the same. It is always now for us, only the scene around us is in motion giving the apparency of a lot of change and a lot of time passage but that is only an illusion.
Lakey
I was joined today for lunch by some of my friends on ESMB, Blue Spirit and his wife were present as was Purple Haze. A special treat was that Lynn Fountain Campbell showed up. What a delightful person to talk to she is!! I think I had seen her around over the years but neither one of us was sure. Does it matter? Talking with a person such as her 30 minutes, it feels as if you have known her all your life. Sweetness and Light, the purported organizer of the event did not show up as was the case the last time as well. I know Sweet has had some major things going on which need handling and I hope everything is okay with her. Two people who were 100% confirmed did not show so Blue Spirit called one of them, and Purple Haze the other. Purple called Diana Class VIII and she was sorry she did not make it and invited us all to stop by her house but it was getting late and we declined. The other person was Tory/ Magoo. She offered to drop by for 45 minutes but when she found out where we were she changed her mind. We had such a nice time, we stayed together talking for about 5 hours. Lynn had a very good time and joined the nucleus of our group.
It reminded me of the old days when a group of us went to Denny's or the House of Pies after course and talked about the tech and our hopes for the future. I was 30 then and the others were in their 20's. Fast forward 40 years and you can see what the ages are like and yet it was even more fun this time around!!! The youthful exuberance is still there with us and even the bodies look pretty decent. Nobody looks the least bit decrepid or old, we look like middle aged people except we are more animated and higher toned than most. We are more sane now, we were smart, aware and reasonably sane then and even more so now on all counts. Time is seen to be an apparency because we beings do not change that much with time passage, our bodies change significantly, the hair and clothes styles change, the neigborhoods change and the technical apparatus has advanced with everyone carrying ipods and cell phones but the beings are still the same. In our case, I believe we are all wiser and more mature but we are still the same. It is always now for us, only the scene around us is in motion giving the apparency of a lot of change and a lot of time passage but that is only an illusion.
Lakey
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CarmeloOrchards
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Nordenholz's Scientologie
Nordenholz's Scientologie was published in 1934. A friend and former client has written an article about it in the latest IVy magazine (which now comes out as a PDF as opposed to printed page).
On the IVy list, which is for IVy subscribers, one of the subscribers, who had been on the shsbc with my wife, commented that Woody McPheeters had a copy of the book in 63, 64, or 65 and that LRH had a copy of it too. She said that it was Woody's feeling that the book was where LRH got Scientology.
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Nordenholz's Scientologie was published in 1934. A friend and former client has written an article about it in the latest IVy magazine (which now comes out as a PDF as opposed to printed page).
On the IVy list, which is for IVy subscribers, one of the subscribers, who had been on the shsbc with my wife, commented that Woody McPheeters had a copy of the book in 63, 64, or 65 and that LRH had a copy of it too. She said that it was Woody's feeling that the book was where LRH got Scientology.
one can subscribe to IVy by going here:
http://www.ivymag.org/cyberivy/signupform.html#To_Subscribe
I've been a subscriber to IVy for many years. It is sort of the thinking person's discussion forum behind closed doors.
Ted
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I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on LRH having studied Deming or Drucker during WWII. There are many knowledgeable and capable people in this world. LRH was at the top 'o the heap only in his Self PR that you studied and got checked out on.
wiki:
William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) was an American statistician, professor, author, lecturer, and consultant. Deming is widely credited with improving production in the United States during the Cold War, although he is perhaps best known for his work in Japan. There, from 1950 onward he taught top management how to improve design (and thus service), product quality, testing and sales (the last through global markets) through various methods, including the application of statistical methods.
Deming made a significant contribution to Japan's later reputation for innovative high-quality products and its economic power. He is regarded as having had more impact upon Japanese manufacturing and business than any other individual not of Japanese heritage. Despite being considered something of a hero in Japan, he was only just beginning to win widespread recognition in the U.S. at the time of his death.
wiki:
Peter Ferdinand Drucker (November 19, 1909 – November 11, 2005) was a writer, management consultant, and self-described “social ecologist.” His books and scholarly and popular articles explored how humans are organized across the business, government and the nonprofit sectors of society. His writings have predicted many of the major developments of the late twentieth century, including privatization and decentralization; the rise of Japan to economic world power; the decisive importance of marketing; and the emergence of the information society with its necessity of lifelong learning. In 1959, Drucker coined the term “knowledge worker" and later in his life considered knowledge work productivity to be the next frontier of management.
CarmeloOrchards
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As Groucho Marx said about a country club in Toluca Lake that would have made an exception to their no Jewish rule (for him) “I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member." ...But as some of us know, there was the Hillcrest Country Club, where the round table was famous for George Burns, Jack Benny, Milton Berle, Groucho, etc.
I remember one morning at Denny's on 8th and Alvarado (or is it 9th???). the waitresses were never anything but sullen. The waitress came, and said, "Good morning!"
Don Warnock sneered, "There's nothing good about it."
She brightened right up.
He had hit a tone level half a beat up from her.
Those were days when the tech was king.
oh and PS: for my money 4 and 20 Pies had the best pies back then. I'd drive to the Valley just to eat there. They still have a place or two. One near Blue Spirit, but the crust is not like it used to be.
lkwdblds
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Right, I have always had that 1/2 tone rule work for me as well, I do not think it has ever failed, it has a 100% success rate over many decades. In particular, the level where a person is in grief or apathy and you hit them at anger, they rise to anger and then you go to bordedom, they go to boredom, etc. When you get to strong interest you end off - you have a product. The key was getting the person to anger, once he or she started to be angry, you knew you were in control and you were well on the way to handling them. You talk about empirical evidence, I've had 40 years of applying that 1/2 step rule, probably well over 100 applications and never has it failed to work.
Four and twenty Pies? Now that rattles the rafters of one's childhood memory banks. "Sing a song of sixpence, a pocket full of rye. Four and 20 blackbirds backed into a pie. When that pie was opened, the birds began to sing. What a dainty dish, to put before a king." I had not thought of that song or those lyric probably since age 4 or so. Sixty six years, lying dormant and the memory is still there for recall on demand. Just amazing the way minds are set up. In the meantime, recent activities, such as mailing a letter for my ex-wife are occluded. Last Friday, 2 days ago, I put a letter on my dashboard to mail for her. I remember driving towards the post office and being about two blocks away when my cell phone went off and I answered the call. After the call I stopped at El Pollo Loco restaurant for lunch. While eating, I realized that the phone call diverted my attention and I forgot to mail the letter. I got back in my truck to drive back to the post office but the letter was gone from the dash. Try as I might, I have no memory at all of driving through the post office and depositing the letter in the outdoor box from inside my truck but the letter is not in my truck so I must have deposited it. That is the biggest downside of getting older, so far.
Lakey
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Knott's Berry Farm in Orange County, Ca.
Knott's Berry Farm, the big amusement park in Buena Park, California in Orange County started serving Fried Chicken dinners and pies in the early 1930's. In the beginning, Mrs. Knott, Cordelia, did all the cooking. Walter Knott is credited with having developed the boysenberry and named it after one of his associates, a Mr. Boysen.
They still feature the original restuarant with the chicken dinners and serve a full course dinner, and serve hundreds of thousands of those dinners a year. Mrs. Knott was famous for doing a good pie. They limit the selection to either apple or rhubarb. I ate there maybe two years ago and it was good, nothing memorable like the New Zealand place but quite a bit above average.
Lakey
Knott's Berry Farm, the big amusement park in Buena Park, California in Orange County started serving Fried Chicken dinners and pies in the early 1930's. In the beginning, Mrs. Knott, Cordelia, did all the cooking. Walter Knott is credited with having developed the boysenberry and named it after one of his associates, a Mr. Boysen.
They still feature the original restuarant with the chicken dinners and serve a full course dinner, and serve hundreds of thousands of those dinners a year. Mrs. Knott was famous for doing a good pie. They limit the selection to either apple or rhubarb. I ate there maybe two years ago and it was good, nothing memorable like the New Zealand place but quite a bit above average.
Lakey
lkwdblds
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Thanks for the bios on Deming and Drucker
Its funny, a have no idea what LRH studied in his brief stint at Princeton while a Naval officer in WWII, I believe it is said that it was a course in intelligence gathering tactics. When Deming and Drucker were mentioned by Facey, this picture of LRH studying at Princeton just popped into my mind.
As far as Qual division coming from the back track as LRH claimed, you just have to look at the automobile industry to find major instances of non Scientology Qual Divisions in action. The Volkswagen Beetle is a prime example. Heinz Nordhoff took over control of the Beetle factory in Germany in the late 1940's and quality control was made a mantra by him. The car shunned the annual styling changes which Detroit had introduced and instead made the car better and better as the years rolled by. If you were to drive a 1949 Beetle and say a 1962 Beetle, the cars looked nearly the same but it was really a completely different and vastly improved car.
When the Japanese manufacturers entered the USA market in the early 1960's they took their cues from VW and not Detroit. By emphasizing quality, they buried Detroit by the early 2000's. Most young people won't even consider an American made car now. Even more recently, Hyundai of Korea has used a strong Qual division to make itself a strong brand. They give a 100,000 year warantee on the drivetrain and better warantee than anyone else on entire car. They revamped their designs and quality control in assembly, and they have changed their image from being cheap transportation to being a quality brand.
Finally, after it was almost too late, Detroit got the picture. Ford, in particular, is following in the footsteps of VW, the Japanese makers and Hyundai and is just recently bringing out some really first rate products. GM has started to follow suit.
Quality control and customer care, long and comprehensive warranties, making sure the customers are happy and winning, making sure your technicians and technical and service staff are properly hatted. Aren't these the hallmarks of a good qual division? You don't see much of this anymore in C of S - just as a casual observer, it seems as if their Qual division has been relegated to a very minor role and almost all the major emphasis is just on getting in quick cash for the latest big "cope" situation which has to be handled.
When it comes to Quality control, international industries, particularly in Japan and Germany have been leaders for a long time. U.S. products once had a good reputation as well but lost it. Now Korean products are becoming known for high Quality control and belatedly the USA is finally starting to catch up. Ford in particular has really done a great job of it. The C of S should send in teams of staff to study the Qual divisions of various Japanese companies in an effort to learn something and see how they can improve their own Qual divisions. Of course, LRH Policy forbids that, it says that all WOG technology is false data and only by reading Green and White can an organization be run successfully. They are paying the price for their ignorance and unwillingness and inability to look. Oh yes, I am aware that the top Japanese brand, Toyota, has recently been involved in allowing their quality to slip but that is not relevant to the points I am making.
Lakey
Its funny, a have no idea what LRH studied in his brief stint at Princeton while a Naval officer in WWII, I believe it is said that it was a course in intelligence gathering tactics. When Deming and Drucker were mentioned by Facey, this picture of LRH studying at Princeton just popped into my mind.
As far as Qual division coming from the back track as LRH claimed, you just have to look at the automobile industry to find major instances of non Scientology Qual Divisions in action. The Volkswagen Beetle is a prime example. Heinz Nordhoff took over control of the Beetle factory in Germany in the late 1940's and quality control was made a mantra by him. The car shunned the annual styling changes which Detroit had introduced and instead made the car better and better as the years rolled by. If you were to drive a 1949 Beetle and say a 1962 Beetle, the cars looked nearly the same but it was really a completely different and vastly improved car.
When the Japanese manufacturers entered the USA market in the early 1960's they took their cues from VW and not Detroit. By emphasizing quality, they buried Detroit by the early 2000's. Most young people won't even consider an American made car now. Even more recently, Hyundai of Korea has used a strong Qual division to make itself a strong brand. They give a 100,000 year warantee on the drivetrain and better warantee than anyone else on entire car. They revamped their designs and quality control in assembly, and they have changed their image from being cheap transportation to being a quality brand.
Finally, after it was almost too late, Detroit got the picture. Ford, in particular, is following in the footsteps of VW, the Japanese makers and Hyundai and is just recently bringing out some really first rate products. GM has started to follow suit.
Quality control and customer care, long and comprehensive warranties, making sure the customers are happy and winning, making sure your technicians and technical and service staff are properly hatted. Aren't these the hallmarks of a good qual division? You don't see much of this anymore in C of S - just as a casual observer, it seems as if their Qual division has been relegated to a very minor role and almost all the major emphasis is just on getting in quick cash for the latest big "cope" situation which has to be handled.
When it comes to Quality control, international industries, particularly in Japan and Germany have been leaders for a long time. U.S. products once had a good reputation as well but lost it. Now Korean products are becoming known for high Quality control and belatedly the USA is finally starting to catch up. Ford in particular has really done a great job of it. The C of S should send in teams of staff to study the Qual divisions of various Japanese companies in an effort to learn something and see how they can improve their own Qual divisions. Of course, LRH Policy forbids that, it says that all WOG technology is false data and only by reading Green and White can an organization be run successfully. They are paying the price for their ignorance and unwillingness and inability to look. Oh yes, I am aware that the top Japanese brand, Toyota, has recently been involved in allowing their quality to slip but that is not relevant to the points I am making.
Lakey
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Ted
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1) People do not always drive the cars they want. They drive the cars that they can get financed.
While Japanese and German cars have long been considered top quality, I will note that Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Honda, et. al. are manufacturing in the U.S. Any evaluation of U.S. manufacturing has to include the influences of government and unions which, I believe, have all but killed any competitive advantages we might have held. The one thing we have managed to do is ship our pollution overseas. Out of sight, out of mind. This makes the environmentalists happy.
2) As for quality control, for years U.S. auto makers had none. They would assemble a car with the wrong parts just to get it off the production line and out into the parking lot. It is there they would replace a fender or whatever needed to be done. This is LRH management by stats on a physical level. It is complete idiocy.
The Japanese would stop a production line if it was going wrong, fix the problem and then proceed. Any worker on the line had authority to halt production. In U.S. manufacturing only the union boss could halt production.
The Japanese followed a Deming model. Deming believed in getting it right in the first place, not in excessive quality control after the fact of production.
LRH gave lip service to a number of good ideas but on the bottom line He obsessed on up stats and gross income. LRH was a self-important, attention junky. I suspect He obsessed on the very things that fed His narcissism.
afaceinthecrowd
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Enthetan
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afaceinthecrowd, you are absolutely spot-on on your analysis of Ron's admin tech.
One thing that drove me nuts was seeing people go through huge amounts of effort to get a product to happen before Thursday at 2pm, when it would have happened by itself later Thursday or Friday.
I had one SO post where I just decided that I preferred a steady normal (which would get me liberty) to an affluence (which would not get me more than normal would), so around the middle of the week, if it looked like I would get my normal early, I would try to push stuff into counting in the following week.
One thing that drove me nuts was seeing people go through huge amounts of effort to get a product to happen before Thursday at 2pm, when it would have happened by itself later Thursday or Friday.
I had one SO post where I just decided that I preferred a steady normal (which would get me liberty) to an affluence (which would not get me more than normal would), so around the middle of the week, if it looked like I would get my normal early, I would try to push stuff into counting in the following week.
afaceinthecrowd
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Humble Pie
I was in New Zealand once. Beautiful country, real good folks. Thank goodness you’re so far from Southern California or yall would be up to your ass in SoCals by now. Some of the finest agricultural products and technology in the World come out of New Zealand.
There was a post on this thread awhile back about Barry Watson, also a Kiwi.
I first met Barry in the Canteen line on the Apollo. He was very dapper and proper. I had been on the Ship for only a few day. I had never been anywhere other than the US, Canada and Mexico. I was fascinated with all the accents I was hearing from all the other countries that had been part of the British Empire.
I was standing behind Barry in line and he was talking to some other folks. After the conversation waned I “piped up” trying to make friends (it’s a bad habit I’ve never been able to shake). My conversation with Barry went something like this:
Face: So what part of Australia are you from?
Barry: Listen here you, Yank…I am not one of those POHMY BASTARDS!
I was in New Zealand once. Beautiful country, real good folks. Thank goodness you’re so far from Southern California or yall would be up to your ass in SoCals by now. Some of the finest agricultural products and technology in the World come out of New Zealand.
There was a post on this thread awhile back about Barry Watson, also a Kiwi.
I first met Barry in the Canteen line on the Apollo. He was very dapper and proper. I had been on the Ship for only a few day. I had never been anywhere other than the US, Canada and Mexico. I was fascinated with all the accents I was hearing from all the other countries that had been part of the British Empire.
I was standing behind Barry in line and he was talking to some other folks. After the conversation waned I “piped up” trying to make friends (it’s a bad habit I’ve never been able to shake). My conversation with Barry went something like this:
Face: So what part of Australia are you from?
Barry: Listen here you, Yank…I am not one of those POHMY BASTARDS!
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afaceinthecrowd
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Just as an aside, which seems to have been forgotten:
"LRH studied at Princeton University."
Yes he did. From what I have read of this episode - at the beginning of the war and with all the expansion in the armed forces that was going on, the US military was short on space and rented some from Princeton that was not then required by the university. The army (or navy or whoever) set up some courses there on military administration for newly liberated areas in the Pacific. And LRH attended such a course there, run by the US military, at Princeton. Hence "I studied at Princeton University" is a "true" statement. But the course was not part of the Princeton curriculum and was not part of the actual university program. It was a military program. But he certainly did study at "Princeton".
In the same way I can legitmately say that I studied at Oxford. I did. There is a town called Oxford not far from here in New Zealand and when passing through it once I stopped to study a road map.
Ergo: I studied at Oxford.
"LRH studied at Princeton University."
Yes he did. From what I have read of this episode - at the beginning of the war and with all the expansion in the armed forces that was going on, the US military was short on space and rented some from Princeton that was not then required by the university. The army (or navy or whoever) set up some courses there on military administration for newly liberated areas in the Pacific. And LRH attended such a course there, run by the US military, at Princeton. Hence "I studied at Princeton University" is a "true" statement. But the course was not part of the Princeton curriculum and was not part of the actual university program. It was a military program. But he certainly did study at "Princeton".
In the same way I can legitmately say that I studied at Oxford. I did. There is a town called Oxford not far from here in New Zealand and when passing through it once I stopped to study a road map.
Ergo: I studied at Oxford.
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