The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[RogerB]

Thanks for the comments on Itsa which I found very helpful and for all the references to non itsa type of processing from various sources.

I saw Purple Haze today, an old time Class VIII who audited at CCLA in its early days. Don Keeler was her C/S when she audited Celebrities at CCLA. Don took over from Ellen Jones the fist C.S. there. Purple Haze is still in touch with Keeler and his wife and Purple has nothing but good things to say about him. His is working in L.A. as a librariarn. Carmelo also has nothing but good things to say about him. I talked about the incident at length to Purple and no charge turned on. The charge has all been dissipated after being there for over 38 years!

I think Roger's process handled the charge for me. There was no itsa involved. I merely examined what might have happened had I called a B of I at CCLA and also a B of I at Flag on LRH after LRH falsely called me an embezzler and a liar. I worked out constructs for both situations which I described earlier today on this thread. The LRH one had the biggest "read" (just an imaginary read based on my gut feelings). I demand a B of I on LRH, 48 hours later I am a declared SP on a plane back to L.A.. After a weekend of rest I drive in to see the Intercontinental Justice Chief and work out of Confusion, Treason, et al. and pay my debt off and go back on study at ASHO. I write and post success stories on my rehabilitation and my story gets out amongst L.A. Scientologists. I become known and "THE MAN WHO STOOD UP TO LRH" A local Qual Sec or some such tries to bully me and cow me. I look him in the eye and say, "I am the man who stood up to LRH", get lost you little fucker. I went toe to toe with LRH and still survived so don't mess with. Go pick on someone else or I am really going to fuck you up so quit now while you are ahead. The Qual Sec slinks away with his tail between his legs.

As I was thinking about having the nickname, THE MAN WHO STOOD UP TO LRH, the charge started to blow. It dissipated slowly but in a steady flow which lasted maybe 2 hours. Its gone now after 39 years. As you say, Paul, itsa did not handle it but this form of finding a correct item and mocking up what might have happened had the right item been applied when the incident occurred 39 years ago did work.

I am not real happy and bubbly about it. There is some lowered havingness not carrying this charge around anymore. If I were getting formal sessions now, I would probably be running my havingness process.

I said to Purple Haze, "Okay, I accept that Keeler is a good guy now and always has been, I no longer have any charge on him but I still feel he made a mistake and harmed me in a major way by forcing me out of my true goal of tech and into an compromised goal of being in Treasury." Then I just now realized while writing this that if I follow this scenario to its conclusion, I don't ever end up going into Treasury. I end up being an auditor probably for ASHO. I do not end up auditing for CCLA and that is fitting and proper. CCLA no longer deserved the benifit of my services after failing to protect me when I was working for them. ASHO accepted me back and made it possible for me to be rehabilitated so they deserve my services more than CCLA. Everything works out as it should in this new fictiional world of what would have happened had I called a B of I on LRH while at the Apollo. All this imaginary altering of what actually happened occured in my mind with nary a word being uttered out loud. End of Process, End of Session, after 38 years my needle is finally floating.
Lakey

Well, Lakey,

Firstly, well done on getting it right and going free from all that old hung up shit

The thing to know is that there are several levels of "processing."

The one we are most familiar with in Scn is that of grinding away from an at-effect perspective, addressing and trying to undo what you are effect of. It's tough, but it does eventually often get the job done.

The other sides (note the plural) of the coin are that of processing from the prior positive perspective, or of processing from the position of cause and the creating of the truth of what you want.

Part and parcel of all this is the selecting of the correct target to address.

Let me explain and give examples.

I could have said to you: "When were you doing OK and wonderfully?" and you'd probably have gone some way back to that point in your life you mentioned before the first collapse of your space that occurred pre-Scn.

Then one can rehab that prior positive "up" state, this by having you describe it, experience it, perceive how big you were, the moods involved etc. Then the process becomes one of simply having you, from that position of power and as that positive state of being, look at "The what happened?"

And of course all the subsequent, lesser shit of the negatives are viewed and easily blown because one is doing it from the position of power and the truth of the positive.

That's an example of processing from the prior positive perspective.

An example of processing from a position of cause would be as follows . . . . and by the way, in my opinion (note that word opinion) this is the process you applied in undoing the crap

One assumes or is operating from a cause perspective and one then creates, envisions (that's a word worth really getting a full grok on) one's more optimum scenario . . . . you were articulating this as you wrote how things "would have been had you . . . . etc."

And handling and processing life and the game in this manner is a very positive, correct process . . . problem is, most folks don't think to do it, don't consider it possible, etc. Though it is rather simple, you simply envision and work to bring about your "ideal scenarios."

Now, the way to win at all of this is to select the correct/right targets to address or otherwise seek to attain.

I'll give you an example of correct and incorrect targets in the exercise you just went through

When I told you in my earlier post that the correct process organizationally to handle the Keeler/Hubbard scenes was to call for a BOI on the scene. That for the reason of getting the truth established. That is a correct target.

Your response was in the vein of no one would listen to me as a mere (nobody) calling for a BOI on a Cl8 or Hubbard . . . . wrong target Lakey

The target is not the individual it is the actions and truth of the situation . . . a BOI would have investigated the truth of the scenario, not the individuals . . . and it would have/should have established truth and restored you to your proper state of Being and relationship in the org. . . . and yes, you'd have also earned the reputation of being not someone to screw with That too, but that would have been incidental.

Anyhow, the above because, as my father once critically said of me "You're too much of a perfectionist, Roger."

Truth is I like to get things as right or as correct and full as possible

So, well done on the big win; and I hope the above adds more power to you and the win you produced for yourself.

R

 

[RogerB]

WOW! Thanks for the link, Roger B, to Alan's stuff...and to a whole bunch of other stuff. Much appreciated. Guess I've got a lot of reading to do!

Still looking forward to Roger's Journal thread. When do you think that might come about?

FoTi, my Love,

It will come about But do keep on me about it

Currently I'm up to my eyebrows on things in Oz, and then there is the live questions raised by DulloldFart and CarmelO atop here to clean up; and Virginia is on me about our business too much all at once.

So hang in there, you'll get your money's worth

R

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks Rog - Just a quick note.

Thanks for the long, tech filled post Rog. I will answer in full later. I deal in trivia and anecdotes and I have a couple of short comments for now.

When you said the other sides of the coin, I immediately thought of a die, as in a dice game. That's my triviality. The anectdotes are two incidents which immediatley came to mind as earlier/similars on the Keeler and LRH chain.

First incident - 1948 Grammar School paper drive for third grade - I was 8. My male friend Sandy Rosen, living 2 doors away asked me the night before if he could leave his papers in my garage because his garage was full. He said that he and his Dad would come over about 7:45 and pick up their papers in his Dad's truck and leave them off at school in a stack created for Sandy's Room, i.e. Room #8. I said sure no problem.

At 7:30 A.M. my Dad went to the garage and began loading all our papers into the trunk of his car. I told him not to touch Sandy's pile of papers because my papers get stacked in room 6's pile and Sandy's papers go into room 8's pile and Sandy gets credits for leaving those papers. My Dad basically told me to get lost and began loading Sandy's papers into his trunk. I literally threw a tantrum and went ballistic. I was screaming, "You can't load Sandy's papers, You can't load Sandy's papers, he and his Dad will be here in 5 minutes to pick them up. They need to go into the room #8 pile." My Dad told me to get out of his way and he threw Sandy's papers into his trunk. I was crying and sobbing and got a headache. Five minutes later Sandy and his Dad showed up. I had to tell him that my Dad took his papers. Sandy started crying and yelling at me for being a thief. I protested that it was not my fault and get this, Sandy told me I was lying and that I purposely stole the papers so I would get the credit for them. I cried more and said, ?No Sandy, I am not lying and he kept saying, "I don't believe you."

The charge is still there on that one, charge with butterflies in my stomach.

The other incident occured in 1940 when I was nine months old and had to do with my Mom and Dad going out to a movie and bringing over a baby sitter. My Mom gave the baby sitter specific instructions as to how to take care of me and I understoood the whole thing and then the babysitter didn't do any of the things she was supposed to do such as change my diaper, give me a bottle with water, etc. When my parents came home, my Mom paid the babbysitter and complimented her but I did not want her to get paid. I could not talk yet and tell this to my Mom. I knew the babbysitter had cheated my Mom.

Well, thanks for induging me and letting me get this off my chest. I am hoping these anecdotes are entertaining and can serve as food for thought as regards applying creative type processing to them and not itsa.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

I'll try a free 24/7 session.

Excellent! Yay for Rog and you!

Now, if you want a free 24/7 session to get really happy and bubbly about it and get that havingness fully replaced at the same time. . . .

Paul,
I'll try a free 24/7 session. I'll shoot for doing it this afternoon.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I remember that movie where Hubbard talked about those black masses "stretching out to the horizon" or words to that effect. I could never quite get my wits around that extension for miles around, although I could accept it theoretically. I mean, what happens when one turns (the body) around to face the other way: do these vastly-extended black masses swing around too? Do they stay where they are? Think about it a bit!

I can see how various imperfections in one's local energy field, one's aura, composed of energy-consciousness from both oneself and others, both harmonious and disharmonious, can be perceived as ridges or masses. A knotty "problem," in structure a glob of frozen energy-consciousness in a particular location in this field (although it could move around a bit), can be described as having location in relation to the body, a particular size and shape and so forth. What is being described is the glob of energy-consciousness, not some abstract idea containing thought only. Since it does contain energy-consciousness, the stuff of life, if including another's energy-consciousness too it could also be called a BT or cluster or something in a less-enlightened terminology. As far as I know, this personal energy field is localized, the finest levels extending out a few feet from the body (see image, although that idealized one is in very good shape and I don't mean the body).

In sessions I have felt what seemed to be "masses" dissipating at some distance from the body, however, so it isn't necessarily a false idea that it happens. I would just like to have a better understanding of it.

Paul

good point. On further reflection,I have been in college lectures where the mass was palpable, and filled a large auditorium. That was generated by many.

Your point that if you turn around, would those blocks swivel also? I think what we have here is more LRH bullshit.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Paul,
I'll try a free 24/7 session. I'll shoot for doing it this afternoon.
Lakey

Great.

PM me (or Skype me at stress.consultant) if it doesn't seem to be going well.

Paul

 

[Ted]

good point. On further reflection,I have been in college lectures where the mass was palpable, and filled a large auditorium. That was generated by many.

Your point that if you turn around, would those blocks swivel also? I think what we have here is more LRH bullshit.

It appears that the assumption here is that the mass belongs to the individual. I suggest that the mass is mutually mocked up, knowingly and unknowingly, and held in place rather flimsily by knowing and unknowing agreement.

I say it is a mutual creation because just one person addressing the mass can resolve situations for others as well. I say mocked up because, well, ah... AllThatIs is but a mockup.

Mass is a spiritual/mental phenomena. The body is effect, or I prefer the idea that the body is more like an antenna. So, just because the individual shifts his body around does not mean the mass will shift for that reason alone. There be other beings holding it in place.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I like it!

Ummm...going with the Baseball analogy, what does this make me...(I don't wanna be a bat girl...) a cheerleader, or President of the Team Booster Club? :confused2: Just so I'm not the guy in the stands throwing bags of peanuts!!!

The Counselor in me is enjoying what is happening here very much! Our efforts are bearing good fruit here, and this wonderful fun thread is not only entertaining and educational in recording history, but healing is happening, too! I told you we have more Theta per capita than any other thread here...

I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

Sis...Dottie Hinson (Geena Davisin in "A League of Their Own"). Great hitter, game savvy, attracts male fans and can "hang with the guys".

WE LUVZ YUZ TUZ.

Face

 

[SweetnessandLight]

"Mi...Mi...Mi..."

Okay S & L - You come out before the home team's 7th inning stretch and sing "God Bless America" and then you lead us all in singing "Take me out to the Ball Game."
Lakey

O.K.! Can do!!!

Thank, you Facey, right back atcha!

I'm really enjoying hanging with the guys and gals here!!!

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I so appreciate you TED!!!!

It appears that the assumption here is that the mass belongs to the individual. I suggest that the mass is mutually mocked up, knowingly and unknowingly, and held in place rather flimsily by knowing and unknowing agreement.

I say it is a mutual creation because just one person addressing the mass can resolve situations for others as well. I say mocked up because, well, ah... AllThatIs is but a mockup.

Mass is a spiritual/mental phenomena. The body is effect, or I prefer the idea that the body is more like an antenna. So, just because the individual shifts his body around does not mean the mass will shift for that reason alone. There be other beings holding it in place.

I totally agree with this, Ted, mocked up and held in place by the collective world mind, or the collective subconscious...in the Jungian/Shamanic/Spiritualist sense of it...except I would say in addition that the body is also a transmitter as well as an antenna...there must be some technical jargon which describes that...where's an electrical engineer when you want him?!?

"Shifting" mass around or releasing or gaining mass is just a mental construct like any other, it's just a concept, don't be afraid of it or get "hung up" on your perceptions of it, whether it appears to you to be happening or not. Don't anybody dare feel themselves to be a failure about this or get stuck on doing or not doing it!

Self-perception is a very individualized and fluid aspect to our "selves".

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Big Hugs to Rog!!!

In simple terms, mass, any mass, spiritual or physical universe mass, is simply a compounding and reinforcement of energy vectors. the compounding factor comes from counter efforts or blocks and stops (spiritually, this comes from opposition to own or other's intentions, efforts or action). In the spiritual realm (and personally, I see it is also the stuff of the physical realm) "energy" is spiritual life-force as directed and deployed.

Ridges, as we both know are formed from/by opposed flows . . . . of guess what? Spiritual life-force flows.

A GPM mass is simply the complex mass that has accumulated on all of the intentions and identities that comprise the GPM or Games Matrix. And we know that the construct of these things is based on opponency between the identities involved in the GPM or Matrix.

So, there are many types of mass on the case, but they all stem from and are based on the above simple underlying phenomena.

In my personal experience I have found one of the keys to undoing masses is to recognize it is not you . . . i. e., the mass is not you: it is an accumulated energy phenomena . . . . . yes, it may be your energy that has accumulated; you sourced it, but is is not you.

You are you, and it is it.

Alan's "Mass Handling procedure" which is very similar to the "Thoughts are Things R/D" above causes you to locate the mass, etc. This separates it from you, and enables you to begin defining, handling and as-issing it.

Though it is equally true that any number of successful case action processes will dissolve and erase mass . . . this as you experienced and note above.

One thing to be alert to, however, is that there is a experiential phenomena that is very similar to a "mass" . . . at first, to newbies, it feels as a mass . . . . but it is actually a hung up Basic Chronic Mood that just sits there as a congealed expression of you in the "past," which when encountered in session or life can be mistaken for being a "mass."

We also have the R/D to discharge these and restore the life to you that has been locked up in such

Rog

Thank you, Roger...this is key...you are worth your weight in gold here!

In my personal and professional experience, usually just acknowledging (really fully as-ising) a "mass" as we are speaking of them here, as not being part and parcel of one's self, however "real" and tagging along or stuck it appears to be, causes it to dissipate or dissolve...sometimes it seems to instantly vanish or dissappear, other times the "patient" will go through a natural sleep cycle and wake up lighter or repaired.

We were and are designed to be self healing...and we re-create ourselves daily to be that, or not...when we chose to identify our selves that way or as something else. It's our choice.

 

[Ted]

I totally agree with this, Ted, mocked up and held in place by the collective world mind, or the collective subconscious...in the Jungian/Shamanic/Spiritualist sense of it...except I would say in addition that the body is also a transmitter as well as an antenna...there must be some technical jargon which describes that...where's an electrical engineer when you want him?!?

"Shifting" mass around or releasing or gaining mass is just a mental construct like any other, it's just a concept, don't be afraid of it or get "hung up" on your perceptions of it, whether it appears to you to be happening or not. Don't anybody dare feel themselves to be a failure about this or get stuck on doing or not doing it!

Self-perception is a very individualized and fluid apsect to our "selves".

Appreciation! Whoo Hoo!

I would have stated the transmitter thing, too, but having considered the additional word count I found that much of a post would be in violation of my playing strategy, not swinging for the fence but just going for the good, solid singles, an occasional walk, and even getting HBP (Hit By Pitch) just to get on base. uch:

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Heh!

LOL! Getting an ice pack ready...just in case!

NEVER be afraid to be yourself. Especially here! I speak in my official capacity as a hat-wearing hostess!

 

[thetanic]

The one we are most familiar with in Scn is that of grinding away from an at-effect perspective, addressing and trying to undo what you are effect of. It's tough, but it does eventually often get the job done.

The other sides (note the plural) of the coin are that of processing from the prior positive perspective, or of processing from the position of cause and the creating of the truth of what you want.

Part and parcel of all this is the selecting of the correct target to address.

As I was starting a repair earlier this year, I realized that years ago I'd run Guy A in my life as a role -- so only part of the charge was addressed. Needless to say, immense BPC.

In this specific case, the BPC was about the time I became interested in Guy A as a 2D, but what was run was the other roles in which I interacted with him. It's amazing how screwed up this got, and not in a fun way.

There's still bits getting cleaned up, which is fine, but it's not like what happened when I uncorked it a few months ago -- I was sick for a solid month. Fortunately, I have a good auditor who helped pull all the right threads and set the universe right again.

As a funny side effect of this, I was dating someone different (we'll call him Guy B) when I was interacting with Guy A, and so there got to be a good amount of theta cross-wiring over the years. (Guy B being my substitute for Guy A.)

As my auditor and I began to address the underlying issue, Guy B (who had good theta perceptions despite not being a Scn), who'd not said a darn thing 2D-wise in a lonnnnnng time suddenly started originating unwanted 2D things and wanting me to go away with him on trips and stuff. So that had to be addressed too. While it upset me some, it is, in retrospect, hilarious. Eventually, it got so annoying I just cut that comm line. Hope he finds someone else.

 

[lkwdblds]

BASEBALL JOKE - REAL CUTE!

O.K.! Can do!!!

Thank, you Facey, right back atcha!

I'm really enjoying hanging with the guys and gals here!!!

Question - "Did you hear about the 3 old ladies who snuck a bottle of whiskey into a baseball game?"

Answer - "No, what about it?"

Reply - "By the bottom of the fifth, the bags were loadedl!"

Explanation of joke if needed. The baseball meaning is that in the home team's half of the fifth inning, the bases were loaded with runners.

The actual meaning is that when they had drunk to the bottom of their fifth of whiskey, the old ladies were drunk.

Sweetness, you are being such a good sport about this, I will also allow you to sing our National Anthem before the start of the game. Be forewarned, we are visiting Toronto in a couple of weeks for a game with the Blue Jays and you will be required to learn the Canadian Anthem as well, you know, "Oh, Canada so brave and so free, Oh, Canada We Stand on Guard for Thee!"

Before we leave baseball, I just have to post this classic video. If you've never heard it before, you have got to take the time to do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQ0ei4msuo


Lakey

 

[Terril park]

As I was starting a repair earlier this year, I realized that years ago I'd run Guy A in my life as a role -- so only part of the charge was addressed. Needless to say, immense BPC.

In this specific case, the BPC was about the time I became interested in Guy A as a 2D, but what was run was the other roles in which I interacted with him. It's amazing how screwed up this got, and not in a fun way.

There's still bits getting cleaned up, which is fine, but it's not like what happened when I uncorked it a few months ago -- I was sick for a solid month. Fortunately, I have a good auditor who helped pull all the right threads and set the universe right again.

As a funny side effect of this, I was dating someone different (we'll call him Guy B) when I was interacting with Guy A, and so there got to be a good amount of theta cross-wiring over the years. (Guy B being my substitute for Guy A.)

As my auditor and I began to address the underlying issue, Guy B (who had good theta perceptions despite not being a Scn), who'd not said a darn thing 2D-wise in a lonnnnnng time suddenly started originating unwanted 2D things and wanting me to go away with him on trips and stuff. So that had to be addressed too. While it upset me some, it is, in retrospect, hilarious. Eventually, it got so annoying I just cut that comm line. Hope he finds someone else.

A bit like suppressed persons rundown.

Just musing here re marketing strategy...........position auditing
with a magic love spell.

 

[thetanic]

True.

As if that weren't enough, I was out for dinner with an ex colleague who was in town on business. I asked him what he was doing the rest of the week. "Hopefully you." (This from someone who'd never previously expressed any interest.)

Definitely got a lot of suppression off that dynamic.

 

[Terril park]

True.

As if that weren't enough, I was out for dinner with an ex colleague who was in town on business. I asked him what he was doing the rest of the week. "Hopefully you." (This from someone who'd never previously expressed any interest.)

Definitely got a lot of suppression off that dynamic.

Woo Hoo!!!

Think I've got a good marketing idea here.

 

[lkwdblds]

Just a question for you

True.

As if that weren't enough, I was out for dinner with an ex colleague who was in town on business. I asked him what he was doing the rest of the week. "Hopefully you." (This from someone who'd never previously expressed any interest.)

Definitely got a lot of suppression off that dynamic.

It has been said that the bold, brash, audacious communication will often get through where a timid, cautious communication will not. Did that happen in your case? How did you react to this communication if you don't mind my asking?
Lakey

 

[thetanic]

It has been said that the bold, brash, audacious communication will often get through where a timid, cautious communication will not. Did that happen in your case? How did you react to this communication if you don't mind my asking?
Lakey

Oh, I smiled. It was nice appreciation and well delivered. That said, the week did not go as he'd hoped.