The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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Mark A. Baker
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He attacked all the power terminals that thought they were his friends, ie. Ray and Pam Kemp, John McMaster, Alan Walter, Rocky Stump, Reg Sharpe, etc
He went even one step further to put himself in the mud, he worked assiduously to rid himself of his "body thetans" AKA guardian angels AKA spiritual teammates.
as Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon."
and with all the above said, my doing the briefing course and going Clear, were two of the most worthwhile things I've ever done. I wouldn't be half the person I am now, without those milestones in my life.
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Mark A. Baker
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Brother John
John McMaster was one of the reasons I stayed in as long as I did. My husband and I met him when he came to LA for, I believe, the clear congress. We stayed at the same motel and had some chats with him. I kid you not, I am and have always been a christian, and have a pretty high opinion of Jesus. John came very close to my view point of Him.
The love and compassion that he had for all was wonderful to behold. The man glowed with an inner light I envied. I thought that he was an example of clear that I aspired to become.
I know that when I heard of his leaving and read a copy of the letter he wrote Ron, it was the begining of my doubts.
I am sorry for any of you who did not have the opportunity to know him.
Love & Light,
Pat
John McMaster was one of the reasons I stayed in as long as I did. My husband and I met him when he came to LA for, I believe, the clear congress. We stayed at the same motel and had some chats with him. I kid you not, I am and have always been a christian, and have a pretty high opinion of Jesus. John came very close to my view point of Him.
The love and compassion that he had for all was wonderful to behold. The man glowed with an inner light I envied. I thought that he was an example of clear that I aspired to become.
I know that when I heard of his leaving and read a copy of the letter he wrote Ron, it was the begining of my doubts.
I am sorry for any of you who did not have the opportunity to know him.
Love & Light,
Pat
CarmeloOrchards
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John, said that when he went Clear, he heard all these voices saying , "don't betray us."
I don't think he did. He left the Co$. I'm sorry no one ever got to him, and was capable of helping him to handle his case. There were too many lies, taken as gospel, at that time, to handle what was really just sitting there. It has been a thirty five (or more) year process of separating the wheat from the chaff. I'm pretty confident that NOW I know what works, and what is baloney. I didn't thirty five years ago.
It was widely rumored that John had been Rudolph Valentino also.
It takes a big being to connect with audiences the world over. John was definitely a big being.
For my money, he was the real deal.
I hope he finds someone, who can help him where ever he may be now.
There are, of course, two sides to thje Mother Theresa "legend". One was heavily pushed by the Catholic church and all the bleeding heart do-gooders around the world. The other was made known by a few nuns working under her in Calcutta and who have since ledft the church.
(a) Mother Theresa only helped women. Never any starving men.
(b) They were required to at a minimum go through all the motions of accepting Christianity before they received any help at all.
(c) They were expected to become nuns themselves or the help-tap would soon run dry.
(d) The nuns helping her in her mission got nothing. They lived and struggled as the starving beggars themselves while MT herself travelled the world first class and five star to raise money (donations) for the Catholic Church.
There is a video on YouTube of an American ex-nun - no doubt declared SP by MT - who relates all of this.
RogerB
Crusader
Here is a quick little, and I hope meaningful, post on the subject of John McMaster.
John should be honored. He is a wonderful Being . . . and I know that for a fact, and intimately.
For the record, I have to state that John was one of the "wards" I had to "handle" and keep an eye on when I was "operating for the old B1." See my thread on this here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=11823
I of course knew John when we were both in good standing and when we both had "stellar" reputations in the orgs.
So it was easy to continue with him when I was undercover as a bad boy.
John personally told me he was the historical figure now known as Jesus Christ, and I will tell you that in duplicating that communication, as delivered and when in communion and harmony with the Being, I can only say it resonated with me as correct and true.
I have seen John do some astounding things. He is actually an incredibly powerful Being . . . but the trick is his power is not brute force. It does not hit as a ton of bricks. It is as a flow of pure beauty and love that permeates you and influences you . . . and believe me, I have watched him move people with it!
Love as it happens is, as he expressed it, his hot item. It is his most important item. Alan Walter correctly lists Love as one of the "Pillars of Spiritual Power." (I'll probably post on that one of these days . . . hang in there FoTi
This is an important subject.)
So yes, JM was a "fairy" . . . gay, and as a human in that lifetime, a homosexual. I have no angst on any of that, it is not my scene, and while I think it is less than optimum, I do not condemn nor criticize it in others.
Humans can often be stuck in imagery and dramatizations, and practices, they come to accommodate, for whatever reasons, that are actually carry forwards of long ago higher level spiritual practices. And, as processors, it is wrong to criticize or condemn the conditions we find our clients/PCs in. Our job is to understand and to help them, in their own view and estimation, to upgrade and optimize there lives.
The tragedy is that Hubbard betrayed him, waged war on him, and vilified him . . . even as John worked to honor Hubbard and and spread the technology we all once believed in.
This, of course, has a catastrophic effect/impact on any sane and decent Being. It probably broke John's heart . . . . for remember, Love was John's item. And along with love goes, honor, truth, appreciation, harmony of relationships and understanding and all those fine things of human (and spiritual) nature that Hubbard so routinely violated and trashed.
The tragedy of this is that a Being can flip into the negative . . . they trigger into the Power Split, change polarity and spiritual vector and become quite negative. And the consequence of this is that they end up on a fast track of decline and succumb.
When John was trashed by Hubbard, two things happened. Of course he ended up bitter toward "Fatty" Hubbard due to the enormous BPC generated (What a betrayal it must have felt to John.) The other thing was that John reverted to what he knew best in order to survive and earn a living . . . he reverted to the tech and processing. His error in my view was in selling and running the Clearing Course on people in the field. He actually ran it in session on PC's with him as a auditor. You can list the violations in this, I don't need to.
He'd have been wiser to have simply run superlative processing of non-confidential stuff, and won at that.
However, that's by the by. The church waged war on him . . . we are all familiar with that syndrome. My job was to keep tabs on him and what he was up to . . . mainly in the context of misuse, dissemination of, the confidential materials. Others had other duties vis a vis "handling" John.
You have read above that John died of cirosis of the liver induced by alcoholic consumption. It is true. John was a heavy whiskey drinker when I knew him after he fell out with the CofS. And I can tell you factually, as I have mentioned before, I was told by the B1 operative involved that the operative's intent and assignment was to engage John in excessive drinking with the specific purpose of killing him off . . . John also had stomach ulcers which the excessive consumption of alcohol was intended to complicate. This "assignment objective/action" I did not know of at the time . . . it was revealed to me by the operative some time after the events.
So, I write this as a salute to John McMaster. (It turned out a little longer that I envisioned.)
John McMaster, RIP my Dear. You are a worthy friend to anyone wise enough to accept you as such. RIP.
RogerB
John should be honored. He is a wonderful Being . . . and I know that for a fact, and intimately.
For the record, I have to state that John was one of the "wards" I had to "handle" and keep an eye on when I was "operating for the old B1." See my thread on this here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=11823
I of course knew John when we were both in good standing and when we both had "stellar" reputations in the orgs.
So it was easy to continue with him when I was undercover as a bad boy.
John personally told me he was the historical figure now known as Jesus Christ, and I will tell you that in duplicating that communication, as delivered and when in communion and harmony with the Being, I can only say it resonated with me as correct and true.
I have seen John do some astounding things. He is actually an incredibly powerful Being . . . but the trick is his power is not brute force. It does not hit as a ton of bricks. It is as a flow of pure beauty and love that permeates you and influences you . . . and believe me, I have watched him move people with it!
Love as it happens is, as he expressed it, his hot item. It is his most important item. Alan Walter correctly lists Love as one of the "Pillars of Spiritual Power." (I'll probably post on that one of these days . . . hang in there FoTi
This is an important subject.)So yes, JM was a "fairy" . . . gay, and as a human in that lifetime, a homosexual. I have no angst on any of that, it is not my scene, and while I think it is less than optimum, I do not condemn nor criticize it in others.
Humans can often be stuck in imagery and dramatizations, and practices, they come to accommodate, for whatever reasons, that are actually carry forwards of long ago higher level spiritual practices. And, as processors, it is wrong to criticize or condemn the conditions we find our clients/PCs in. Our job is to understand and to help them, in their own view and estimation, to upgrade and optimize there lives.
The tragedy is that Hubbard betrayed him, waged war on him, and vilified him . . . even as John worked to honor Hubbard and and spread the technology we all once believed in.
This, of course, has a catastrophic effect/impact on any sane and decent Being. It probably broke John's heart . . . . for remember, Love was John's item. And along with love goes, honor, truth, appreciation, harmony of relationships and understanding and all those fine things of human (and spiritual) nature that Hubbard so routinely violated and trashed.
The tragedy of this is that a Being can flip into the negative . . . they trigger into the Power Split, change polarity and spiritual vector and become quite negative. And the consequence of this is that they end up on a fast track of decline and succumb.
When John was trashed by Hubbard, two things happened. Of course he ended up bitter toward "Fatty" Hubbard due to the enormous BPC generated (What a betrayal it must have felt to John.) The other thing was that John reverted to what he knew best in order to survive and earn a living . . . he reverted to the tech and processing. His error in my view was in selling and running the Clearing Course on people in the field. He actually ran it in session on PC's with him as a auditor. You can list the violations in this, I don't need to.
He'd have been wiser to have simply run superlative processing of non-confidential stuff, and won at that.
However, that's by the by. The church waged war on him . . . we are all familiar with that syndrome. My job was to keep tabs on him and what he was up to . . . mainly in the context of misuse, dissemination of, the confidential materials. Others had other duties vis a vis "handling" John.
You have read above that John died of cirosis of the liver induced by alcoholic consumption. It is true. John was a heavy whiskey drinker when I knew him after he fell out with the CofS. And I can tell you factually, as I have mentioned before, I was told by the B1 operative involved that the operative's intent and assignment was to engage John in excessive drinking with the specific purpose of killing him off . . . John also had stomach ulcers which the excessive consumption of alcohol was intended to complicate. This "assignment objective/action" I did not know of at the time . . . it was revealed to me by the operative some time after the events.
So, I write this as a salute to John McMaster. (It turned out a little longer that I envisioned.)
John McMaster, RIP my Dear. You are a worthy friend to anyone wise enough to accept you as such. RIP.
RogerB
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FoTi
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Hi FoTi: Your goals were noble as they were for so many of us. Any partial realizations of goals or attainment of abilities during the 30 years in which you were involved?
Thanks Lakey. Yes, I experienced what it would be like to be really OT a few times after receiving a couple hundred hours of auditing. The first time was right after a session - seemed to last for about 3 days before it was gone. After that it was always outside of session. It surprised me each time, but it didn't last for very long, and it doesn't happen anymore....hasn't for about 5 years. So, I do think the state is real, but don't have any idea if there is really any way at this time for anyone to get to the point of experiencing it all the time, or if there ever will be. I would like to hope that it will happen someday because it really would make a totally different experience and well worth attaining. I hope that the tech, that works, survives whatever else happens on this planet
I also had the pleasure of auditing others, but not enough. I'd love to be doing that everyday and make my living that way. I know I would be a lot happier if I could actually do that, and my life would have a lot more meaning today. It's fun to watch others win and know that I helped them to make that happen. Right now my life is kind of dead. I wanted to train up to Class 8, but unfortunately I never got anywhere near it. If I had, I might be doing what Diana Class 8 is doing.
The game isn't over yet, expecially here on the wild and wooly Apollo '73 thread. With our cast of ALL STARS and all the topics we are covering from baseball and classic cars, popular music, etc. all the way through to serious new technical breakthroughs, many people are blowing out on this thread, getting validation and tons of case gain and giving others case gain by sharing their thoughts and experiences with us.
Yes, I love this thread. I love to read about the pieces of tech that are new to me, which have been helpful and I love to read about other people's wins on this thread and all the stories they tell about their own lives. This thread is a real treat. There are so many different viewpoints to enjoy and learn from, and a lot of really neat people post here.
You may not know it but I bought some FoTi based on your recommendation and am taking it so you are one of my opinion leaders so take a bow!
LOLDid I recommend it? I thought I just answered the question of where the name FoTi came from. It's not something I drink a lot of, but I like it once in a while. I have a whole closet full of herbs, so I tend to switch my teas around all the time. How do you like FoTi?
Lakey
I appreciate your post and answered it in blue above, 'cause that's kind of the mood I'm in today.
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Here is a quick little, and I hope meaningful, post on the subject of John McMaster.
John should be honored. He is a wonderful Being . . . and I know that for a fact, and intimately.
For the record, I have to state that John was one of the "wards" I had to "handle" and keep an eye on when I was "operating for the old B1." See my thread on this here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=11823
I of course knew John when we were both in good standing and when we both had "stellar" reputations in the orgs.
So it was easy to continue with him when I was undercover as a bad boy.
John personally told me he was the historical figure now known as Jesus Christ, and I will tell you that in duplicating that communication, as delivered and when in communion and harmony with the Being, I can only say it resonated with me as correct and true.
I have seen John do some astounding things. He is actually an incredibly powerful Being . . . but the trick is his power is not brute force. It does not hit as a ton of bricks. It is as a flow of pure beauty and love that permeates you and influences you . . . and believe me, I have watched him move people with it!
Love as it happens is, as he expressed it, his hot item. It is his most important item. Alan Walter correctly lists Love as one of the "Pillars of Spiritual Power." (I'll probably post on that one of these days . . . hang in there FoTi
So yes, JM was a "fairy" . . . gay, and as a human in that lifetime, a homosexual. I have no angst on any of that, it is not my scene, and while I think it is less than optimum, I do not condemn nor criticize it in others.
Humans can often be stuck in imagery and dramatizations, and practices, they come to accommodate, for whatever reasons, that are actually carry forwards of long ago higher level spiritual practices. And, as processors, it is wrong to criticize or condemn the conditions we find our clients/PCs in. Our job is to understand and to help them, in their own view and estimation, to upgrade and optimize there lives.
The tragedy is that Hubbard betrayed him, waged war on him, and vilified him . . . even as John worked to honor Hubbard and and spread the technology we all once believed in.
This, of course, has a catastrophic effect/impact on any sane and decent Being. It probably broke John's heart . . . . for remember, Love was John's item. And along with love goes, honor, truth, appreciation, harmony of relationships and understanding and all those fine things of human (and spiritual) nature that Hubbard so routinely violated and trashed.
The tragedy of this is that a Being can flip into the negative . . . they trigger into the Power Split, change polarity and spiritual vector and become quite negative. And the consequence of this is that they end up on a fast track of decline and succumb.
When John was trashed by Hubbard, two things happened. Of course he ended up bitter toward "Fatty" Hubbard due to the enormous BPC generated (What a betrayal it must have felt to John.) The other thing was that John reverted to what he knew best in order to survive and earn a living . . . he reverted to the tech and processing. His error in my view was in selling and running the Clearing Course on people in the field. He actually ran it in session on PC's with him as a auditor. You can list the violations in this, I don't need to.
He'd have been wiser to have simply run superlative processing of non-confidential stuff, and won at that.
However, that's by the by. The church waged war on him . . . we are all familiar with that syndrome. My job was to keep tabs on him and what he was up to . . . mainly in the context of misuse, dissemination of, the confidential materials. Others had other duties vis a vis "handling" John.
You have read above that John died of cirosis of the liver induced by alcoholic consumption. It is true. John was a heavy whiskey drinker when I knew him after he fell out with the CofS. And I can tell you factually, as I have mentioned before, I was told by the B1 operative that the operative's intent and assignment was to engage John in excessive drinking with the specific purpose of killing him off . . . John also had stomach ulcers which the excessive consumption of alcohol was intended to complicate. This "assignment objective/action" I did not know of at the time . . . it was revealed to me by the operative some time after the events.
So, I write this as a salute to John McMaster. (It turned out a little longer that I envisioned.)
John McMaster, RIP my Dear. You are a worthy friend to anyone wise enough to accept you as such. RIP.
RogerB
LaMont Johnson wrote on a.c.t. that John could, at will, make his body rise up several feet off the floor on which he was standing. LaMont said he saw him do this on more than one occasion. Afterwards, John would be exhausted for several days, as LaMont's report goes.
Roger, I appreciate your post. Suppose John M was Jesus. I have no reason to do anything but accept these stories at face value. Then imagine the EVIL that is scientology and hubbard. I suspect it is far worse than anyone has imagined.
lkwdblds
Crusader
I'll take your word for it.
All I knew of her is what I saw on the news clips and on the History Channel. The history channel just showed her walking amongst lepers in India, paying no mind as to wearing any kind of protection or guarding against infection in any way. She would sit with them, feed them food and water, nurture them, cajol them and then claim that she was lucky to be able to do this. I was a very expressive Documentary. I saw that her assistants were similar to her and figured they were merely trying to emulate her.
The news outlets these days are not reliable sources of truth and I will accept what you say since I really know nothing more than I saw on those documentaryies. I have no reason to doubt you.
Lakey
All I knew of her is what I saw on the news clips and on the History Channel. The history channel just showed her walking amongst lepers in India, paying no mind as to wearing any kind of protection or guarding against infection in any way. She would sit with them, feed them food and water, nurture them, cajol them and then claim that she was lucky to be able to do this. I was a very expressive Documentary. I saw that her assistants were similar to her and figured they were merely trying to emulate her.
The news outlets these days are not reliable sources of truth and I will accept what you say since I really know nothing more than I saw on those documentaryies. I have no reason to doubt you.
Lakey
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
I've come to the opinion, that so long as you listen to LRH tapes with your bullshit meter turned to sensitive, that there is a great deal of worth in most of the stuff pre dating 1965.
after that, you takes your chances. My bacon was saved by the solo course (grade 6) and the Clearing Course. June of 1971. If I lived to be a thousand, I could not have come up with that stuff on my own.
I tend to think I have as much evil as I have good, but that is a supposition. It seems one can't define one side without an equally comparable opposite. I haven't thought past this point ever.
I'm open to thought on the subject.
In no way is this meant to be an apology for LRH.
He was a super schmuck. His beaming face was such a lie.
Google on to "Mother Thersa Exposed" and read what is there. A lot of those docos were set up to portray the message she wanted the world to know.
Mark A. Baker
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I actually feel more pity for Hubbard. I never knew McMaster but I suspect that he's back already somewhere & working through his issues with all the benefits that his love filled nature provides. With all the crap he had to deal with, his friends repeatedly comment on what an excellent and accomplished being he is.
Hubbard, has a LOT for which to answer. Nor is death a "free pass". Even allowing for the prospect of mental illness, a being can not shed his responsibility as easily has he can an identity or a body. He's gonna need some serious R/S handling whenever/wherever he surfaces.
RIP? My bet is he's got a new identity and is working on improving his game. After all he died in the '70s, or was it the '80s. He/she could easily be "up and at 'em" now.
Mark A. Baker
SweetnessandLight
Crusader
Jeff Hawkins' Book ready for pre-order!
Well, here's some good summertime reading for you all! Jeff's a very compelling writer...
"Jefferson Hawkins worked for the Church of Scientology for more than 30 years, most of that time as a senior marketing executive. He was the brains behind the successful Dianetics campaign of the 1980s. He left Scientology in 2005, and now works as a graphic designer and artist in Portland, Oregon. He is committed to helping individuals and families who have been victimized by Scientology. His blog, Leaving Scientology, is dedicated to exposing the abuses and crimes of the Church of Scientology, and helping people to leave the Church."
You may pre-order here: There is also info on how to order without using the Internet, for the Luddites among us!
http://counterfeitdreams.com/?page_id=105 Facey, have a great vacation...we...t you are out adventuring again! :happydance:
Well, here's some good summertime reading for you all! Jeff's a very compelling writer...
"Jefferson Hawkins worked for the Church of Scientology for more than 30 years, most of that time as a senior marketing executive. He was the brains behind the successful Dianetics campaign of the 1980s. He left Scientology in 2005, and now works as a graphic designer and artist in Portland, Oregon. He is committed to helping individuals and families who have been victimized by Scientology. His blog, Leaving Scientology, is dedicated to exposing the abuses and crimes of the Church of Scientology, and helping people to leave the Church."
You may pre-order here: There is also info on how to order without using the Internet, for the Luddites among us!
http://counterfeitdreams.com/?page_id=105 Facey, have a great vacation...we...t you are out adventuring again! :happydance:
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I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation
Re Mother Theresa ...
Read the book named The Missionary position (by Christopher Hitchens) ... but be warned, it may 'surprise' you.
Read the book named The Missionary position (by Christopher Hitchens) ... but be warned, it may 'surprise' you.
SweetnessandLight
Crusader
Public Service Announcement!
And now for some enturbulating entheta for the benefit of any of our readers who wish to exercise their free speech rights this weekend to go and picket (or just party with the picketers ), from Finally Free:
I understand that Lynn Fountain Campbell sells Anon masks in her shop, if any of you OG* want to give it a go! 
OG= Old Guard or Original Gangstas.
And now for some enturbulating entheta
for the benefit of any of our readers who wish to exercise their free speech rights this weekend to go and picket (or just party with the picketers ), from Finally Free:
"Sally and I are writing to invite you to attend an event of considerable importance to us: the grand opening celebration of the new Church of Scientology Pasadena. We have been working on this project for seven years, raising money from over 2,000 parishioners, purchasing the building itself and donating it to our church. The building, now completely and stunningly renovated, makes an impactful statement. It is some 58,000 square feet and was built in 1906. It appears on the U.S. Department of Interior's registry of historic places. It is located in the heart of Old Pasadena, one of the first and most important cities in the western United States.
This ideal Church of Scientology will present to the community the many services developed by L. Ron Hubbard to remedy all that ails our twenty-first century society - everything from solutions to drug addiction, prevention of gang violence and crime, correction of study difficulties interfering with our children's ability to take a leadership role in our futures, disaster relief and even special services for businessmen whose workplace stress tears them from their families and the enjoyment of life. This is all in addition to the basic mission of the Church, which of course concerns itself with man's spiritual well-being.
As you can see, Sally and I are proud of this milestone achievement and we want to invite you personally to share the experience with us. It will take place at 6:00 pm this Sunday evening, July 18, 2010, at 35 South Raymond Avenue, in Pasadena, California. Park in the Parsons parking lot off Walnut between Pasadena Ave and Fair Oaks Ave. A shuttle will take you to the sign-in table at the event itself. Over 3,000 people are confirmed already, so plan to come early -- say, around 5:00 pm.
I hope you can attend.
Craig & Sally Jensen"
I am SUCH an evil, EVIL SP... aren't I OSA??
I am pretty pissed with your attempt. That is when I am not having full bellied laughs with my Sister, Brother, Mom and Dad about it. Ruth, Mary you two completely underestimated not only me - but my family. And Mary, what did I loose after all? Think hard. Not much huh? Now we know where we stand don't we?
Calling all Anons and Good Fighters alike. You now have the time and date. Godspeed.
I understand that Lynn Fountain Campbell sells Anon masks in her shop, if any of you OG* want to give it a go!
OG= Old Guard or Original Gangstas.
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SweetnessandLight
Crusader
Surf dogs rule!
This heartwarming vid is for all of us for whom life has taken a few unexpected twists and turns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGODurRfVv4
!!!
This heartwarming vid is for all of us for whom life has taken a few unexpected twists and turns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGODurRfVv4
!!!- Status