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Claire Headley vs RTC/CSI Update 10.09

thetanic

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Also:

Summary judgment is awarded if the undisputed facts and the law make it clear that it would be impossible for one party to prevail if the matter were to proceed to trial. The court must consider all materials in the light most favorable to the party opposing the motion for summary judgment. (emphasis added)
 

lionheart

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I've seen similar wins and losses over the years. UK ban on foreign scientologists, the Australian ban, etc. The cult keeps rolling on. :grouch:

The one huge difference these days is the existence of the internet, and, of course Anonymous. :thumbsup:

I'm sure most people, even if body routed in and signed up for a comm course would, when they get home, google scientology to find out more about it. The clear message they should get, at worst, is that the "religion" is controversial.

That would be off-putting to many newbies before they get too suckered in. :thumbsup:

As regards legal issues. The religiosity aspect was probably Hubbard's smartest move (alongside many, many dumb moves!).

Perhaps now is a good time to review Bonnie Woods' legal victory? She took a particular fair-game tactic that had been used against her and sued successfully over the specific tactic.

Also Judge latey's judgement in the child custody case.

A comparison of these successful cases with less successful ones might isolate factors on which the cult is legally vulnerable.
 

Wisened One

Crusader
I'm sorry Marc and Claire.

It appears that we will have to seek justice in other ways.

What Alanzo said, Marc and Claire. :console:
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And btw: LOVED this article comment:

In just the last 5 or so years, Scientology has gone in the public mind from a sorta weirdo cult to a pure out-and-out laughingstock.

People know about Scientology now, and they laugh so hard at the dopes who spend thousands to hold tin cans and ponder L. Ron's drug-induced hallucinatory ramblings like they have some sort of deep meaning.

It's a joke. It's a silly sci-fi tale with some hypnotic trance 1950s-style psychology.

People aren't just laughing at Scientology in 2010, they're doubled over in hysterics at how dumb these fools are.
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This is NOT OK !!!!

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Perhaps hiring planes with banners or dirigibles to go over the properties with "End the abuse; just walk out!" painted on them would be effective.

This is Not impossible by the way. Once on staff I was tasked to find out about renting a "Goodyear Blimp" for a Scio message at a big event.

It CAN be done. Express an interest and I'll do some homework.

Can you imagine?

At the (cue Jeff Pomerantz voice) "Super Power Building Grand Opening Celebrations!!!!" we have the blimp flying around spouting non-stop TRUTH.

WOW!!
 

RogerB

Crusader
Originally Posted by NeverMe View Post
Forgive me if this was posted already. I did a search and didn't see it. Has anyone else seen this?

"The Church of Scientology won an important victory in federal court Thursday when a judge dismissed two lawsuits that accused the church of labor law violations, human trafficking and forced abortions.

Claire and Marc Headley, who left Scientology in 2005, said the church controlled them with threats of harsh punishment and other tactics that prevented them from leaving the Sea Organization, Scientology’s religious order.

But U.S. District Judge Dale S. Fischer ruled that the Sea Org is protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of free exercise of religion."

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/2495...ews+Tracker)

That ruling by the Judge: "But U.S. District Judge Dale S. Fischer ruled that the Sea Org is protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of free exercise of religion."

Is a classic example of the Death Of Common Sense.

Carried to extreme, in other words, any societal illegal act or practice is protected by the "First Amendment’s guarantee of free exercise of religion."?? !!!

America, you are on your way down big time if this is the level of intellect of the "third branch of government" you have.

Of course it is possible, the plaintiff's attorney did a poor job of presenting the issues of the case to be argued . . . . but Jeeezzzuzz . . somebody here cannot think!

RogerB
 

Thrak

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BFG was on chat that night. He didn't sound like he thought it was over. FWIW
 

Ackerland

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Carried to extreme, in other words, any societal illegal act or practice is protected by the "First Amendment’s guarantee of free exercise of religion."?? !!!

That is not what she wrote. She wrote that there must be a weighing between the severity of the alleged abuse and the consequences of judicial interference into 1st amendment rights and in this case she decided "religious freedom" was more important.

Naturally, I disagree. I hope they will be able to appeal this decision, and next time the balance is not in favour of Scientology.
 

Markus

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That is not what she wrote. She wrote that there must be a weighing between the severity of the alleged abuse and the consequences of judicial interference into 1st amendment rights and in this case she decided "religious freedom" was more important.

Naturally, I disagree. I hope they will be able to appeal this decision, and next time the balance is not in favour of Scientology.

Hey my friend. You know, I know, most of us here on this board know that "The Church of Scientology" is no religion. I wonder why this is so hard to recognize for many people in the United States. But wait I have an idea - the current political system in the US is not so far away from the slave system in the Church of Scientology. It seems to me that the fight for real freedom is no longer part of the American society. Just an idea - maybe I'm wrong....

Best
Markus
 
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FinallyMe

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Hey my friend. You know, I know most of us here on this board know that "The Church of Scientology" is no religion. I wonder why this is so hard to recognize for many people in the United States. But wait I have an idea - the current political system in the US is not so far away from the slave system in the Church of Scientology. It seems to me that the fight for real freedom is no longer part of the American society. Just an idea - maybe I'm wrong....

Best
Markus

The focus of the US government, for the past many years, is on being "politically correct" - as in, allow US citizens to starve to death without medical care, but be certain that illegal aliens can come on in and do receive food and care.
 

Markus

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The focus of the US government, for the past many years, is on being "politically correct" - as in, allow US citizens to starve to death without medical care, but be certain that illegal aliens can come on in and do receive food and care.

Yes you are so right here FinallyMe: My brother Uwe was "starving" in the United States. He was not getting proper medical care, with his severe illness he had to work more that 100 hours a week and he had to do dangerous jobs on roofs and in deep pits witout any safety gear all with his Multiple Sclerosis. No wonder he had two severe accidents. So he had to die without love and social compassion 45 years young for a fanatical American dream of a crazy criminal old man. And yes we can see here that illegal alien robots like crazy Scientologists are protected by your government.

Best
Markus
 

RogerB

Crusader
That is not what she wrote. She wrote that there must be a weighing between the severity of the alleged abuse and the consequences of judicial interference into 1st amendment rights and in this case she decided "religious freedom" was more important.

Naturally, I disagree. I hope they will be able to appeal this decision, and next time the balance is not in favour of Scientology.

Yes, fair comment, Acker.

I am of course responding to the post content I cited.

Fact is, "human trafficking," which I believe was one of the allegations of the Headleys is a crime, as in felony, even gazetted as such by the US State Dept, as noted earlier.

While the judge is making her/himself right by way of citation, I'd say she/he is shirking duty in the exercise of intelligent balanced judgment of what is protected "behavior" and what falls outside of religious protection.

Example: enforced imprisonment surely can't be protected behavior.

I'd say the Headley's attorneys screwed up

For the record, I'm quite familiar of these nuances of Constitutional Law versus Local and state statutes.

In 1988-9 I fought an arbitrary ruling by the NY State Medical Director that prevented my "patients" (they were on an HIV+ clinical trial I was running) from getting a specialized HIV test available commercially only in CA.

The CA lab would not do the tests based on the prohibition from NY State. I saw this as a violation of the Constitutional Guarantee of Interstate Commerce:D

I raised a stink. When I took it to the ACLU for support . . . thinking they would support this violation of a Constitutional guarantee on the newly beloved and politically favored HIV/AIDS population . . . how wrong I was. The ACLU think was that the ban on HIV test was for the protection of privacy of HIV infecteds :duh: It didn't matter that I was saying that it was the HIV positives themselves that were trying to buy the tests and were having their Constitutional rights violated . . . hell, no.

Idiot think reined!

Again, when we were denied being able to buy wine in from CA vineyards to NY because of some old state laws, I saw it as again a violation of the Interstate Commerce clause . . . . we won on that one!!:happydance:

But again, the above two cases show how stupid judges and the legal profession can be, and it demonstrates the inability to think that reins when you see a prohibitive law, as in the case of the shipment of wine, being enforced by authorities for something like 70-80 years!!

As an Ozzie, I actually find it deplorable when I look at some of the instances of how "The Constitutional Amendments/Clauses" have been interpreted/applied by the justices :duh:

The tragedy is that bad law then proceeds from these judgments.

R
 

dianaclass8

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I must confess I am very sad with the news. I don't think that the Headleys had a good lawyer...I also think he screwed big time, with so much information and so many witnesses, it is unconceivable they did not win.

Today I got a call from a friend to tell me that they had a big celebration at Flag and OSA called for a mandatory meeting for all students, PCs and staff to announce the 'victory'.
 

dianaclass8

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I must confess I am very sad with the news. I don't think that the Headleys had a good lawyer...I also think he screwed big time, with so much information and so many witnesses, it is unconceivable they did not win.

Today I got a call from a friend to tell me that they had a big celebration at Flag and OSA called for a mandatory meeting for all students, PCs and staff to announce the 'victory'.

OSA also announced at the event that Anon is down to 5 people only.
 

themadhair

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Carried to extreme, in other words, any societal illegal act or practice is protected by the "First Amendment’s guarantee of free exercise of religion."?? !!!
That is not what she wrote. She wrote that there must be a weighing between the severity of the alleged abuse and the consequences of judicial interference into 1st amendment rights and in this case she decided "religious freedom" was more important.
Actually what the judge ruled was not a million miles away from this. For the human trafficking claims the judge never weighed any severity – he ruled that the he could not even ask the question because of the first amendment. I found that extremely disturbing.
 

Smurf

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Actually what the judge ruled was not a million miles away from this. For the human trafficking claims the judge never weighed any severity – he ruled that the he could not even ask the question because of the first amendment. I found that extremely disturbing.

He was a she. The judge was Dale Susan Fischer.
 
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