The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Leon]

Hubbard is not at all the 'source" of my bviews on ethics. He did have an inkling of it and wrote a few good artoicles on it, but all were incomplete and he did not pursue the subject fully. He also wrote about how ethics and morals are different, and then in his application of them he goes and blurs the edges and confuses the whole shebang.

The problem in your proposed situation is exactly that, Lakey. A confusion of ethics and morals.


MORALS: A code of conduct which serves as a standard of acceptable behaviour for the members of a group. It is usually derived from the past experience of that group or from revelations and commandments from the deity. They are the agreed upon codes of conduct of a society which are sometimes given the force of law.

What is moral in one group could be considered to be totally immoral by another. Rules which were once pro-survival could become contra-survival as time and circumstances change. A hundred years ago it was considered immoral to divorce; today it is considered immoral to continue in an unhappy marriage.

Morals are an entirely arbitrary code of conduct and are not necessarily related to reason or good sense, but they are important in that they make a stable society possible. Morals relate to survival only insofar as continued membership of that group relates to survival.


MORAL CODE, That series of agreements to which a person has subscribed to facilitate the survival of his group. Moral codes are solutions to problems which aren't understood or confronted. And you can therefore define a moral code, technically, as a series of agreed-upon solutions to problems which have been neither confronted nor analyzed.


Joe and Bill and Mary have all at some point agreed to be members of the same group. Then Bill and mary violated that agreement. The full effects of out=morality need be applied etc etc as you suggest. I have no quibble or disagreement with this, and whether you apply Sharia law or some milder form of justice action - that is entirely arbitrary and subject to the ideas of the group.

But none of it is Ethics, and without the basic Ethics in place in a person ha will continue to violate and buck against the moral codes of whichever group he is in. Where he sees the need to cramp his own beingness so as to be seen as a "good group member" then his basic ethics is OUT.

I will comment on Aristotle later after I have read him again. There is a lot of meat in his writings and I need to chew on it a tad.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

I've been REALLY BUSY!!!

The WonderWorld theme park is billed as a living invitation to make life wonderful, coupled to all the know-how to pull it off.

It entertains guests into a better life.

In my first Chronicle, there is a section devoted to the question of how we can expand the awareness of The New World Order people to the point where they fully support creating a wonderful life for everyone based on their discovery that it is their best interest to do so. You may enjoy re-reading that section.

I was a Disney Imagineer who was worked to insure that the Walt Disney World EPCOT project opened up on time. The WonderWorld theme park is my big dream. It is my way of contribution to the transformation of the planet into everything we wish it to be,

The theme park, and the twenty seven feature films that proceed its opening, entertain people into that kind of awareness.

The full story is available if you like by going to my home page, hiting the book icon on the home page, and ordering my book entitled "An Invitation to WonderWorld".

Thanks for asking.

Love John

I have been REALLY BUSY on my WonderWorld theme park project and that is why I have not posted anything lately.

BLUE SPIRIT called and said some people were upset at my not posting. Seems some are upset when I post, and some are upset when I don't. God do I wish I was OT enough to get everyone to smile no matter what, including myself.

Anyway I am taking the time to post some things I have written.

Hope you find them of value. Love john

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I personally see El Ron’s chicanery as endemic and not “Case Phenomena”.

I don't see that as a real distinction. It strikes me that "endemic" in this sense is simply another way of saying "deeply underlying, thoroughly pervasive, and fundamental" case.


Mark A. Baker

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Dear Ikwdblds

Here's a quote from your post on the YOU CAN BE OT RIGHT NOW thread re Magic Thetan. I'm posting here because John says this thread will be his venue for now

Here is a being who states flat out that not only can he demonstrate his OT abilities to you but he can teach you techniques that will give you those abilities as well. IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT!

If Johhny was a scammer, he would be crazy to make such claims and not be able to back them up but as I say, he is not crazy, perhaps crazy like a fox but not crazy crazy. Hear him out and only then judge what he has to say. Pepin above wrote a good post and should be commended!

It's been a few weeks now (July 29) and there's been additional posting by John and there appears to be more to come.

Putting the writings side for a moment, when to you "percieve" that the demonstrations will happen?

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Sorry.. I let myself get a bit swamped.

So, what's happening with The Magic Thetan and his Chronicles? Did he get scared and run away? Is he blown for good? He made a big splash with some promises and split? I hate it when people do that. Seems like he just came here, stirred things up and then left. I don't see that he really had any genuine interest in sharing in the conversations here, or contributing his knowledge and experiences like most of the rest of the folks here do. It was disappointing. Kind of pissed me off.

I'm Back. Sorry for the lag... Love johnny

 

[The Magic Thetan]

A Cancelation of all my Certs

John, can't you just post here the Chronicles that you've already written? I so want to read them. Why do you want to make us wait for them? :confused2:

A Response to FoTi Post Number 4502 Page 451 - 7 August 2010
The Old Days Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Dear FoTi:

Thank you so much for your enjoyment of my posts, and for your desire to read them. That means the world to me, and I sincerely apologize for not making them all available to you. I don‘t want you to wait either. It actually pains me to think I have invited you to feel an absence of something you want. May I invite you to shift your attention to things that make you feel good, and then bask in the delicious anticipation of the wonderful things that will be there as time goes on. One of the lovely things I got out of reading “Ask and It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks (The Teachings of Abraham) was the idea that desire was not the longing for something that was absent, but the delicious anticipation of what was to come.

In answer to your question, “Can’t you just post here the Chronicles you’ve already written”?

The answer is of course, yes I could, but for many reasons, I choose not to do that at this time.

If you care, here are my reasons:

1) I have a desire to be happy on an ongoing basis, and it appears that I have violated two rules for happy living that I feel are correct.

The two rules are in L Ron Hubbard’s book entitled “Scientology, A New Slant of Life” book. The article is entitled “TWO RULES FOR HAPPY LIVING”, and in my copy of the book, it begins on page 23. The rules he gives at the beginning of the article are:

1. Be able to experience anything.
2. Cause only those things which others can experience easily.

In posting my 1st Chronicle entitled "DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT NOW", on the 28th of July 2010, I violated rule number 2, and I subsequently discovered that I was not able to comfortably experience some of the responses to that posting.

So I need to do some work on myself, and that is exactly what I am doing. I am working to increase my ability to be able to comfortably experience any responses as they occur.

In my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter-10, entitled “RESPONSE-ABILITY, I define RESPONSE-ABILITY as follows. “The ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD manner to anything that does or does not happen in your life.”

By that definition, I need to do more work developing my ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD way to whatever does or does not happen when I post something on ESMB.

The discovery of my less that feel good responses to some of my postings has also brought me to a few rather unpleasant discoveries:

1) I am not the Grade-0 Communications release that I thought I was. I am apparently not able to listen comfortably to what anyone has to say.

I also did not respond in a feel good, comfortable manner to some of the communications I received after my ESMB postings, so, in truth, I still have work to do to get to the point where I consistently respond positively to any communications I receive.

2) I am not flat on TR-0 Bullbate, for I still am somewhat reactive to invalidation, false accusations and ridicule. (For those unfamiliar with the term, TR-0 stands for Training Routine Number Zero. It is a routine that, among other things, enables you to practice being comfortable in front of another person.

TR-0 Bullbate, is where a coach originates all sorts of communications in an effort to make you uncomfortable. The idea is to give you an opportunity to practice, develop and increase your ability to be comfortable with anything. As you become more proficient, the coach hits you with some pretty nasty communications to see how well you have developed the ability to respond comfortably to these verbal and emotional attacks. If the coach is being true to the intent of the exercise, all of this “bull baiting” will bring you to the point where you are “Willing to experience anything” comfortably. Flat means that you no longer react in any “feel bad“ way.)

My discovery that I did not respond well to some of the responses to my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter -1, clearly indicated that I need to re-train, and re-do expanded Grade - 0 to a real world, chronically stable result. It also indicates that I need to increase my ability to comfortably perceive things, and I need to increase my ability and willingness to experience anything.

In alignment with that, by the power invested in me by me, I hereby cancel all of my certificates as an auditor, and I relinquish any status as an OT. (An Operating Thetan - an operational spiritual being who is completely cause over life.)

I also wish to relinquish my Avionics (Space electronics) engineering degree as I am not yet able to engineer my carpet into the air and I relinquish any claim to being a meta or quantum physicist for the same reason.

I do however retain the right to use this degree if I need to, for Carolyn’s three and a half year illness and death devastated our finances and put us into considerable debt. I realize that it is a bit unethical to claim I am an engineer when my engineering skills are not up to par, but I choose to justify this out of a survival need.

I also retain the right to use the OT and the Auditor Class symbols if I need to impress potential clients. I feel justified in doing this, for it appears that I do have the ability to process, train, audit and guide clients to more of the life they want, and less of the life they do not want. For over forty years, I have asked clients if the services they received from me were worth more than the time and money they invested. In forty years, I have only had one person say no, and I refunded their money.

I wish, as much as I am able, to go forth on the exact truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The labels and symbols can of course give a person a false or inaccurate picture of who and what you are, and what you are and are not able to do.

If you say you are a Class-VIII, or a Class XII Qual auditor, or an OT-VII, or an OT anything, people tend to assume that you have abilities that you may or may not actually have.

Over the years I worked with a lot of Dianetics and Scientology auditors from Class-0 to Class-XII. Many of them were also OT this or that, but it truth, they often didn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn’t.

Some, for instance, thought that the TR’s were abilities instead of the truth that they were Training Routines designed to assist one with the goal of orchestrating certain abilities into existence.

Some felt that “The 2D” was a label for the person they were having a romantic relationship with, rather than the fact that it is a symbol for our impulse to have sex and create a family.

So I hereby relinquish all of my titles, degrees and the symbols that I have attached to my name in the past.

Further, I wish to apologize to anyone who got a false, partially false or inaccurate picture of who and what I am based on the automatic assumption they may have made because of the symbols I associated with my name. (i.e. OT-VIII, Class VIII, Class-XII Qual auditor, Bachelor of Science engineer, Master of anything, PhD, or any other symbolic designation that my ego and I put next to my name in an effort to impress someone, or to get them to buy services from me based on the idea that I had a degree and therefore I must be a really able and capable guy.) I relinquish any claim to being an OT. I do have some specific abilities that are out of the ordinary, but I prefer to tell about them as part of the story I will delineate in my Johnny Raff Chronicles autobiography.

I have been diagnosed with prostrate cancer and Diabetes, and I have a number of physical ailments, aches and pains that I have not been able to chronically handle with any supposed OT (God-Like) ability. I have been apparently able to produce some healing miracles at times, but I have not been able to do so chronically. I have what others readily symbolize as “An addiction to sugar” especially my mother’s wonderful deserts. I have written a book called, “Health Food Make Me Sick”, and I work daily to use my “OT Powers” to cure myself despite the fact that it has not chronically worked. Thus I am guilty of the insanity of continuing do the same thing, or a similar thing, and expecting different results. Well sane, or insane, I will continue to work on developing a God-Like ability to cure myself, and as of this writing, I have no intention of ever giving up, despite any ridicule or logic that may come my way. I am open to finding workable ways to pull off my miracle healing ability.

I additionally wish to relinquish any claim of having any special relationship with anyone.

In the past, when people came to visit me, I sometimes showed them an album of pictures of me taken with various celebrities. These included, Jimmy Steward, Gil Gerand, Erik Estrada, Buddy Ebsen, Earl Holliman, Clayton Moore, (The original Lone Ranger), Gene Autry, Jane Seymour, Pia Zadora, Angie Dickinson, Lou Rawls, Dennis Weaver, “Iron Eyes” Cody, Stevie Wonder, Cesar Romero, Dee Wallace Stone, Jonathan Frakes from the crew of the TV series, "The Star Ship Enterprise - The Next Generation", Tony Dow, Rosanne, JoAnn Worley, Ernest Borgnine, Richard Farnsworth (One of the nicest guys one would ever hope to meet.), Richard Moll, Ed Asner, Edward James Olmos, Samuel L. Jackson, Tony Danza, Steve Allen, Doug McClure, Ned Beatty, Ed McMahon, Sammy Davis Jr., Harry (From Harry and the Henderson’s TV series) Pat Morita, Buzz Aldrin (the 2nd man to walk on the moon) Bob Hope, Tony Curtis, The Mission Impossible stars, Dennis O’Conner, Martha Ray, The Monkey’s, Grizzly Adams, Ned Beatty, Phyllis Diller, Little Richard, Mr. T, Debbie Reynolds and others. Hope you are impressed and you want to flow me some admiration, because that is what motivated my ego and I to show the pictures. Not that there is anything wrong with getting admiration. I feel one should get all one can get, but one should not need it, or need to solicit it, especially by attempting to get it by positioning yourself with some celebrities.

In the past, I spoke of my relationships with various celebrities. I told people that I had worked with President Gerald Ford in the creation of a television show honoring his many years of supporting The Boy Scouts of America. Well it’s true, I did do that with President Ford, but the point is, I told the story to get some altitude in the eyes of others, not to simply state something I had been proud to work on. I told people that I co-wrote and co-produced the television program Rebuilding America with Efrem Zimbalist Jr. to impress people, not to simply relate a bit of my resume. I told people of my associations with Walt Disney, Ward Kimball (who created Jimmy Cricket) and L Ron Hubbard. I did this, not simply to tell my story, but to get some admiration via my association with people who accomplished far more than I have. These people were some of my heroes and I wanted to accomplish as much as they did, but I stupidly tried to use them to get ahead instead of just getting ahead.

So I wish to cease doing any of that, and I wish to get back to the level of integrity I had back in the seventies when I was working in the field to see how much of Ron Hubbard’s stuff actually worked.

I had been working out of an apartment in Belmont California with a wonderful gal by the name of Audrey Hills. We had been assisting people to get rid of their unwanted conditions, including unwanted pains, emotions, sensations and attitudes when the phone rang.

'Is this John Rafanello?' the party on the line asked.

“Yes it is“, I replied.

'Well, you don't know me”, the voice began. “But I've got a friend who you don't know either".

“OK“, I responded suppressing an urge to laugh.

"But my friend has a friend who you do know, but I don't remember his name" the guy continued.

"Anyway, I hear you handle migraine headaches”.

‘Well“, I responded, “I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them any more”.

“Well, can you handle my migraine headaches?', the fellow asked.

“All I can tell you,“ I replied, “is that I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

“'Yeah, but can you handle my headaches?”, he repeated

“'In all honesty“, I said. “all I can tell you is that I had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them anymore“.

“Well what do you do?”, the man asked.

To that I presented a brief explanation of what I did. I explained that what I did was based on the works of L Ron Hubbard, and he replied by saying that he never heard of him.

“Well that’s what I do”, I told him.

To this he replied, “'Will it work on me?', and in the most gracious and friendly manner I could muster I replied, “I don't know. Hubbard claims that is will work on everybody, but I haven't worked with everybody, so I don't know.

:confused2:"All I can honestly and accurately tell you is that there are three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more".

So the guy decided to do some auditing, and then I had four people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

It is now quite apparent to me that I need some work in developing the abilities that an OT is supposed to have. Yes I had a lot of OT experiences, and yes I have some OT abilities, but I am far from being the OT I am supposed to be. So those of you who found it inconsistent that a real OT would not react negatively to some of the ridicule and invalidation I received on ESMB, I wish to say that it looks like you were one hundred percent totally correct.

:liar:So in conclusion, I now wish to represent myself only as someone working to become a true Grade-0 release, and an auditor that can comfortably respond to anything that does or does not happen on ESMB, or in life, in a FEEL GOOD way.

I will continue to represent myself as an auditor (one who can effectively assist others to vanish things they do not want, and make appear things they do), for I do seem to be able to do that in my estimation, and in the estimation of other people I have worked with. However, I will no longer claim to be a high classed auditor, a clear or an OT of any kind. I will no longer claim any special association with anyone.

Some of you may choose to consider I am being facetious and not sincere, and that is of course your right. I am however sincere about what I have said whether you choose to believe it or not. (And if your choose to negatively judge me for any of my choices, I will work to get comfortably able to experience that, and thank you for the opportunity to do so.)

Thank you all for your love and support that I have received.

I am learning, or at least I hope I am.

Who knows, one day I may even become the OT I dream of being.

Love

John Rafanello
The Magic Thetan

 

[FoTi]

FoTi, I don't know where you got the idea that ethics conditions were to be applied only to a current life. Certainly when a person is brand new, they are often asked to look only this life. If they spouted off past life overts and withholds, those incidents are likely to be dub ins and the person would get no gain whatever from doing ethics conditions on a dubbed in life. That is probably how you picked up that concept.

When you are doing ethics on an OT type of person, where the person has demonstrated that he/she has excellent past life recall I would think the one life restriction would not apply.


One other thing, FoTi, if one does confront past live out ethics, he does not have to run out trillions and gazillions of individual incidents. He can be contrite for having harmed others and do some kind of penance for a whole batch or catefory of transgressions. It would be something like putting together a class action lawsuit. One lawsuit could handle a million offenses. Similarly a million out 2D transgressions could be atoned for with just one handling.
Lakey

I understand what you're saying .....if a person has excellent past life recall. I asked the question because I never saw this being done in Scientology. I did see one gal who was OT IV and ran into something that kind of relates to this on KTL. It was a program, in her last life, that she had apparently been working on for LRH, that she got stuck with and had no recall on it until she did KTL. I knew she wrote it up and sent it up lines, but I never knew if she actually did any conditions or amends on this.

I knew a number of people who were getting auditing that this might apply to, but they never did anything besides just continue to get auditing because that seemed to be the handle on it so that it wouldn't happen anymore and that was the amends.....pay for the auditing and receive it so you wouldn't be a pain in the ass anymore.

And what about the situation where someone gets auditing and so totally as-ises the whole thing from a past life that they no longer have any sort of recall on that part of their existence? The record is gone. Even though it might be in their folders, how would they do conditions or amends on something they don't even have any reality on anymore?

I can also see how if one does conditions on an ongoing issue that covers many lifetimes, that doing amends of some sort might help the person to become more aware not to do that anymore, but a general amends in this life to handle past life transgressions doesn't really make up the damage done to those that it's done to. It seems to me that all we can do is confront our transgressions, blow the charge off the stuff, realize why we did it and don't do it anymore, maybe apologize and do what we can to get the charge off the person or persons we did it to and just go on from there.

I never did understand the amends thing in Scientology, since the amends that I saw people doing most often didn't do anything for the person that they offended. It was kind of like.....well....say.. I had an MLM company and I screwed over the distributors and maybe some other people involved in the company and didn't pay them what I owe them. I get written up by other Scientologists because of this and I'm in a lower condition. I do the conditions and I have to do amends, so I go to the Org and work in central files for a while or donate a lot of money to the org on my account or donate to a new Ideal Org building as my amends and then go around and have a bunch of Scientologists sign off on my Liability Formula and I'm done. Then all these Scientologists that I screwed financially, watch me go up the Bridge with the money (their money) that I put on my account so that the Org could reach a higher GI that week. Meanwhile, none of the Scientologists got paid what was owed to them because I no longer had any money to pay them with......(this really happened by the way.....not to me, but to some other people I know). This is how I saw amends being done in Scientology.

As far as past life overts and amends on that kind of thing.....how are the people or beings who destroyed the towers in 911 ever going to make up the damage to all those people they killed....the families they damaged.....the businesses they destroyed.....the property destroyed, etc? What kind of amends could they possibly do to make up for that?

I'm not saying don't ever do amends or that it never works or is never a good thing to do. I think sometimes people need to do it to make themselves feel better to absolve their conscience or to get others to accept them again after they've offended to a point where they have been rejected.

I'm just saying in Scientology that I never saw amends being done that directly related to the offense unless the offense was to Scientology or an org. And I just never saw any LRH policy that said it was applied to past lives. I also never saw anyone getting clearance for the OT Levels express the fact that they had to do amends for committing overts, as a past life staffer, auditor or C/S, who knew they blew from Scientology in a past life.

 

[Ted]

A Response to FoTi Post Number 4502 Page 451 - 7 August 2010
The Old Days Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Dear FoTi:

Thank you so much for your enjoyment of my posts, and for your desire to read them. That means the world to me, and I sincerely apologize for not making them all available to you. I don‘t want you to wait either. It actually pains me to think I have invited you to feel an absence of something you want. May I invite you to shift your attention to things that make you feel good, and then bask in the delicious anticipation of the wonderful things that will be there as time goes on. One of the lovely things I got out of reading “Ask and It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks (The Teachings of Abraham) was the idea that desire was not the longing for something that was absent, but the delicious anticipation of what was to come.

In answer to your question, “Can’t you just post here the Chronicles you’ve already written”?

The answer is of course, yes I could, but for many reasons, I choose not to do that at this time.

If you care, here are my reasons:

1) I have a desire to be happy on an ongoing basis, and it appears that I have violated two rules for happy living that I feel are correct.

The two rules are in L Ron Hubbard’s book entitled “Scientology, A New Slant of Life” book. The article is entitled “TWO RULES FOR HAPPY LIVING”, and in my copy of the book, it begins on page 23. The rules he gives at the beginning of the article are:

1. Be able to experience anything.
2. Cause only those things which others can experience easily.

In posting my 1st Chronicle entitled "DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT NOW", on the 28th of July 2010, I violated rule number 2, and I subsequently discovered that I was not able to comfortably experience some of the responses to that posting.

So I need to do some work on myself, and that is exactly what I am doing. I am working to increase my ability to be able to comfortably experience any responses as they occur.

In my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter-10, entitled “RESPONSE-ABILITY, I define RESPONSE-ABILITY as follows. “The ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD manner to anything that does or does not happen in your life.”

By that definition, I need to do more work developing my ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD way to whatever does or does not happen when I post something on ESMB.

The discovery of my less that feel good responses to some of my postings has also brought me to a few rather unpleasant discoveries:

1) I am not the Grade-0 Communications release that I thought I was. I am apparently not able to listen comfortably to what anyone has to say.

I also did not respond in a feel good, comfortable manner to some of the communications I received after my ESMB postings, so, in truth, I still have work to do to get to the point where I consistantly respond positively to any commnications I receive.

2) I am not flat on TR-0 Bullbate, for I still am somewhat reactive to invalidations, false accusations and ridicule. (For those unfamiliar with the term, TR-0 stands for Training Routine Number Zero. It is a routine that, among other things, enables you to practice being comfortable in front of another person.

TR-0 Bullbate, is where a coach originates all sorts of communications in an effort to make you uncomfortable. The idea is to give you an opportunity to practice, develop and increase your ability to be comfortable with anything. As you become more proficient, the coach hits you with some pretty nasty communications to see how well you have developed the ability to respond comfortably to these verbal and emotional attacks. If the coach is being true to the intent of the exercise, all of this “bull baiting” will bring you to the point where you are “Willing to experience anything” comfortably. Flat means that you no longer react in any “feel bad“ way.)

My discovery that I did not respond well to some of the responses to my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter -1, clearly indicated that I need to re-train, and re-do expanded Grade - 0 to a real world, chronically stable result. It also indicates that I need to increase my ability to comfortably perceive things, and I need to increase my ability and willingness to experience anything.

In alignment with that, by the power invested in me by me, I hereby cancel all of my certificates as an auditor, and I relinquish any status as an OT. (An Operating Thetan - an operational spiritual being who is completely cause over life.)

I also wish to relinquish my Avionics (Space electronics) engineering degree as I am not yet able to engineer my carpet into the air and I relinquish any claim to being a meta or quantum physicist for the same reason.

I do however retain the right to use this degree if I need to, for Carolyn’s three and a half year illness and death devastated our finances and put us into considerable debt. I realize that it is a bit unethical to claim I am an engineer when my engineering skills are not up to par, but I choose to justify this out of a survival need.

I also retain the right to use the OT and the Auditor Class symbols if I need to impress potential clients. I feel justified in doing this, for it appears that I do have the ability to process, train, audit and guide clients to more of the life they want, and less of the life they do not want. For over forty years, I have asked clients if the services they received from me were worth more that the time and money they invested. In forty years, I have only had one person say no, and I refunded their money.

I wish, as much as I am able, to go forth on the exact truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The labels and symbols can of course gives the person a false or inaccurate picture of who and what you are, and what you are and are not able to do.

If you say you are a Class-VIII, or a Class XII Qual auditor, or an OT-VII, or an OT anything, people tend to assume that you have abilities that you may or may not actually have.

Over the years I worked with a lot of Dianetics and Scientology auditors from Class-0 to Class-XII. Many of them were also OT this or that, but it truth, they often didn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn’t.

Some, for instance, thought that the TR’s were abilities instead of the truth that they were Training Routines designed to assist one with the goal of orchestrating certain abilities into existence.

Some felt that “The 2D” was a label for the person they were having a romantic relationship with, rather than the fact that it is a symbol for our impulse to have sex and create a family.

So I hereby relinquish all of my titles, degrees and the symbols that I have attached to my name in the past.

Further, I wish to apologize to anyone who got a false, partially false or inaccurate picture of who and what I am based on the automatic assumption they may have made because of the symbols I associated with my name. (i.e. OT-VIII, Class VIII, Class-XII Qual auditor, Bachelor of Science engineer, Master of anything, PhD, or any other symbolic designation that my ego and I put next to my name in an effort to impress someone, or to get them to buy services from me based on the idea that I had a degree and therefore I must be a really able and capable guy.) I relinquish any claim to being an OT. I do have some specific abilities that are out of the ordinary, but I prefer to tell about them as part of the story I will delineate in my Johnny Raff Chronicles autobiography.

I have been diagnosed with prostrate cancer and Diabetes, and I have a number of physical ailments, aches and pains that I have not been able to chronically handle with any supposed OT (God-Like) ability. I have been apparently able to produce some healing miracles at times, but I have not been able to do so chronically. I have what others readily symbolize as “An addiction to sugar” especially my mother’s wonderful deserts. I have written a book called, “Health Food Make Me Sick”, and I work daily to use my “OT Powers” to cure myself despite the fact that it has not chronically worked. Thus I am guilty of the insanity of continuing do the same thing, or a similar thing, and expecting different results. Well sane, or insane, I will continue to work on developing a God-Like ability to cure myself, and as of this writing, I have no intention of ever giving up, despite any ridicule or logic that may come my way. I am open to finding workable ways to pull off my miracle healing ability.

I additionally wish to relinquish any claim of having any special relationship with anyone.

In the past, when people came to visit me, I sometimes showed them an album of pictures of me taken with various celebrities. These included, Jimmy Steward, Gil Gerand, Erik Estrada, Buddy Ebsen, Earl Holliman, Clayton Moore, (The original Lone Ranger), Gene Autry, Jane Seymour, Pia Zadora, Angie Dickinson, Lou Rawls, Dennis Weaver, “Iron Eyes” Cody, Stevie Wonder, Cesar Romero, Dee Wallace Stone, Jonathan Frakes from the crew of the Star The Enterprise - The Next Generation, Tony Dow, Rosanne, JoAnn Worley, Ernest Borgnine, Richard Farnsworth (One of the nicest guys one would ever hope to meet.), Richard Moll, Ed Asner, Edward James Olmos, Samuel L. Jackson, Tony Danza, Steve Allen, Doug McClure, Ned Beatty, Ed McMahon, Sammy Davis Jr., Harry (From Harry and the Henderson’s TV series) Pat Morita, Buzz Aldrin (the 2nd man to walk on the moon) Bob Hope, Tony Curtis, The Mission Impossible stars, Dennis O’Conner, Martha Ray, The Monkey’s, Grizzly Adams, Ned Beatty, Phyllis Diller, Little Richard, Mr. T, Debbie Reynolds and others. Hope you are impressed and you want to flow me some admiration, because that is what motivated my ego and I to show the pictures. Not that there is anything wrong with getting admiration. I feel one should get all one can get, but one should not need it, or need to solicit it, especially by attempting to get it by positioning yourself with some celebrities.

In the past, I spoke of my relationships with various celebrities. I told people that I had worked with President Gerald Ford in the creation of a television show honoring his many years of supporting The Boy Scouts of America. Well it’s true, I did do that with President Ford, but the point is, I told the story to get some altitude in the eyes of others, not to simply state something I had been proud to work on. I told people that I co-wrote and co-produced the television program Rebuilding America with Efrem Zimbalist Jr. to impress people, not to simply relate a bit of my resume. I told people of my associations with Walt Disney, Ward Kimball (who created Jimmy Cricket) and L Ron Hubbard. I did this, not simply to tell my story, but to get some admiration via my association with people who accomplished far more than I have. These people were some of my heroes and I wanted to accomplish as much as they did, but I stupidly tried to use them to get ahead instead of just getting ahead.

So I wish to cease doing any of that, and I wish to get back to the level of integrity I had back in the seventies when I was working in the field to see how much of Ron Hubbard’s stuff actually worked.

I had been working out of an apartment in Belmont California with a wonderful gal by the name of Audrey Hills. We had been assisting people to get rid of their unwanted conditions, including unwanted pains, emotions, sensations and attitudes when the phone rang.

'Is this John Rafanello?' the party on the line asked.

“Yes it is“, I replied.

'Well, you don't know me”, the voice began. “But I've got a friend who you don't know either".

“OK“, I responded suppressing an urge to laugh.

"But my friend has a friend who you do know, but I don't remember his name" the guy continued.

"Anyway, I hear you handle migraine headaches”.

‘Well“, I responded, “I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them any more”.

“Well, can you handle my migraine headaches?', the fellow asked.

“All I can tell you,“ I replied, “is that I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

“'Yeah, but can you handle my headaches?”, he repeated

“'In all honesty“, I said. “all I can tell you is that I had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them anymore“.

“Well what do you do?”, the man asked.

To that I presented a brief explanation of what I did. I explained that what I did was based on the works of L Ron Hubbard, and he replied by saying that he never heard of him.

“Well that’s what I do”, I told him.

To this he replied, “'Will it work on me?', and in the most gracious and friendly manner I could muster I replied, “I don't know. Hubbard claims that is will work on everybody, but I haven't worked with everybody, so I don't know.

:confused2:"All I can honestly and accurately tell you is that there are three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more".

So the guy decided to do some auditing, and then I had four people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

It is now quite apparent to me that I need some work in developing the abilities that an OT is supposed to have. Yes I had a lot of OT experiences, and yes I have some OT abilities, but I am far from being the OT I am supposed to be. So those of you who found it inconsistent that a real OT would not react negatively to some of the ridicule and invalidation I received on ESMB, I wish to say that it looks like you were one hundred percent totally correct.

:liar:So in conclusion, I now wish to represent myself only as someone working to become a true Grade-0 release, and an auditor that can comfortably respond to anything that does or does not happen on ESMB, or in life, in a FEEL GOOD way.

I will continue to represent myself as an auditor (one who can effectively assist others to vanish things they do not want, and make appear things they do), for I do seem to be able to do that in my estimation, and in the estimation of other people I have worked with. However, I will no longer claim to be a high classed auditor, a clear or an OT of any kind. I will no longer claim any special association with anyone.

Some of you may choose to consider I am being facetious and not sincere, and that is of course your right. I am however sincere about what I have said whether you choose to believe it or not. (And if your choose to negatively judge me for any of my choices, I will work to get comfortably able to experience that, and thank you for the opportunity to do so.)

Thank you all for your love and support that I have received.

I am learning, or at least I hope I am.

Who knows, one day I may even become the OT I dream of being.

Love

John Rafanello
The Magic Thetan

Hello Johnny Raff!

This is by far your best post yet!

A very enjoyable read. Very real.

I, too, am working on Grade 0. I consider this THE OT Grade. All other levels support Grade 0 full EP.

Carry on!

 

[FoTi]

Maybe he's waiting for more reach and demand ?

He has been very busy with multiple games, and can't spend all of his time on ESMB.

Posting his history is one thing,

while creating new and important

games that will benefit all of us (at least the ones with some havingness)

is of greater importance in my informed opinion.

There is some Great stuff on the way, besides the Chronicles.

What does he want us to do....grovel? How many times does a person have to say they'd like to read his Chronicals? I ain't gonna beg him anymore.

I don't think he should have made a big deal out of it and said he was going to post his Chronicles here and then didn't follow through. Maybe he thinks we'll want it more if he makes us wait or takes it away? Phooey! But that's just my opinion. I'm sorry, I don't have much patience for that kind of thing.

It would be nice if there will be some Great stuff on the way, but I'm not holding my breath after this last promise of Chronicles, backed up by nothing. If something shows up, fine. If not, so be it. I'm beginning to feel like this is some kind of preliminaty set up for a sort of Barnum and Bailey affair. Create some excitement and mystery, then run a can't have, then try to create more excitement and mystery for something even bigger. Really build up a crescendo for The Magic Thetan show. Da..-da-da-da-da-da. I'm being a bit cynical here, but that is the way I feel. I guess I had enough of the "Come to the blah, blah event.....see the newest release.....blah, blah, blah". Just show it to me already.....cut out the games.

I understand he's busy, but in that case he should not have put forth that he was going to share something with us and then just didn't bother to do so....because he's too busy? And, I don't think anybody asked him to spend all his time here, did they?

 

[Blue Spirit]

See Post #4726

What does he want us to do....grovel? How many times does a person have to say they'd like to read his Chronicals? I ain't gonna beg him anymore.

I don't think he should have made a big deal out of it and said he was going to post his Chronicles here and then didn't follow through. Maybe he thinks we'll want it more if he makes us wait or takes it away? Phooey! But that's just my opinion. I'm sorry, I don't have much patience for that kind of thing.

It would be nice if there will be some Great stuff on the way, but I'm not holding my breath after this last promise of Chronicles, backed up by nothing. If something shows up, fine. If not, so be it. I'm beginning to feel like this is some kind of preliminaty set up for a sort of Barnum and Bailey affair. Create some excitement and mystery, then run a can't have, then try to create more excitement and mystery for something even bigger. Really build up a crescendo for The Magic Thetan show. Da..-da-da-da-da-da. I'm being a bit cynical here, but that is the way I feel. I guess I had enough of the "Come to the blah, blah event.....see the newest release.....blah, blah, blah". Just show it to me already.....cut out the games.

I understand he's busy, but in that case he should not have put forth that he was going to share something with us and then just didn't bother to do so....because he's too busy? And, I don't think anybody asked him to spend all his time here, did they?

That may tide you over for a while.

Anyway, what do expect from a "Scientologist" ?

He is working on the Wonder World project.

I have read the book on that and do recommend it, as in my vision this

project could quite likely turn this planet to the positive side by entertaining

people while educating them simultaneously in their native spiritual qualities.

It would have a thousand times the impact of Disneyland as I see it.

MORE TO COME.

 

[lkwdblds]

I don't agree with you there....

Hubbard is not at all the 'source" of my bviews on ethics. He did have an inkling of it and wrote a few good artoicles on it, but all were incomplete and he did not pursue the subject fully. He also wrote about how ethics and morals are different, and then in his application of them he goes and blurs the edges and confuses the whole shebang.

Hubbard was the only Source of your views on Ethics whom you cited in your post which I replied to. You had a couple of paragraphs quoting Hubbard on ethics and did not mention the views of any other philosophers or savants in that particular article. I never even suggested that Hubbard was all the 'source' of your views on ethics. Where did you get that concept? I took you at your word. You quoted only Hubbard in your article so I responded directly to your quote. I did not make any inferences whatever as to whether he was your only source.

The problem in your proposed situation is exactly that, Lakey. A confusion of ethics and morals.

I strongly disagree that I have a confusion of ethics and morals.

MORALS: A code of conduct which serves as a standard of acceptable behaviour for the members of a group. It is usually derived from the past experience of that group or from revelations and commandments from the deity. They are the agreed upon codes of conduct of a society which are sometimes given the force of law.

What is moral in one group could be considered to be totally immoral by another. Rules which were once pro-survival could become contra-survival as time and circumstances change. A hundred years ago it was considered immoral to divorce; today it is considered immoral to continue in an unhappy marriage.

Morals are an entirely arbitrary code of conduct and are not necessarily related to reason or good sense, but they are important in that they make a stable society possible. Morals relate to survival only insofar as continued membership of that group relates to survival.


MORAL CODE, That series of agreements to which a person has subscribed to facilitate the survival of his group. Moral codes are solutions to problems which aren't understood or confronted. And you can therefore define a moral code, technically, as a series of agreed-upon solutions to problems which have been neither confronted nor analyzed.


Joe and Bill and Mary have all at some point agreed to be members of the same group. Then Bill and mary violated that agreement. The full effects of out=morality need be applied etc etc as you suggest. I have no quibble or disagreement with this, and whether you apply Sharia law or some milder form of justice action - that is entirely arbitrary and subject to the ideas of the group.

But none of it is Ethics, and without the basic Ethics in place in a person ha will continue to violate and buck against the moral codes of whichever group he is in. Where he sees the need to cramp his own beingness so as to be seen as a "good group member" then his basic ethics is OUT.

I will comment on Aristotle later after I have read him again. There is a lot of meat in his writings and I need to chew on it a tad.

I specifically put in a sentence to show that I understood the difference between Ethics and morals. I said something to the effect that ethics may not be the correct term to describe what I was talking about. Maybe the words morals or justice would be more appropriate. I put in that disclaimer just so you would not reach the conclusion which you did but you reached that same conclusion nevertheless.

On your paragraph above on personal ethics, I don't have all of the answers but your point of view leaves me hanging in mid air. For example, if an employee of another man steals his employer's wife and $5 million from his employer's business and by his own code he does not consider his behavior unethical then where do you go with such a man?

What if all moral codes denounce stabbing an innocent baby with a knife and yet Bill's personal ethical code is that it is totally ethical to do this act? If Bill is allowed to be a member of society, he will continue to keep stabbing babies though his code is the only code which says this is proper behavior. Perhaps over 6 billion other codes on the planet say this is unethical per their personal codes. Theoretically, you can make a case for this type of situation but practically speaking, you cannot actually deal with this situation per your theory.

Your theory would say the proper ethical conduct would to allow Bill to go on killing babies because though not moral as judged by society, it is ethical from Bill's point of view. Society would therefore allow Bill to go on stabbing babies, all the while hoping he would eventually put in Ethics on himself and come to the realization in his universe that the act of killing babies was not ethical. He would then cease from killing more babies. Then in your theoretical world, harmony would reign supreme. Society allowed Bill to be free to eventually put ethics in on himself and society did not enforce their morals down Bill's throat. This is truly a beautiful outcome except that it does not work because a trail of dead babies and distraught parents and relatives of those babies is left behind grieving so this ideal solution is not tenable as a serious alternative for a society to contemplate.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

A Response to FoTi Post Number 4502 Page 451 - 7 August 2010
The Old Days Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Dear FoTi:

Thank you so much for your enjoyment of my posts, and for your desire to read them. That means the world to me, and I sincerely apologize for not making them all available to you. I don‘t want you to wait either. It actually pains me to think I have invited you to feel an absence of something you want. May I invite you to shift your attention to things that make you feel good, and then bask in the delicious anticipation of the wonderful things that will be there as time goes on. One of the lovely things I got out of reading “Ask and It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks (The Teachings of Abraham) was the idea that desire was not the longing for something that was absent, but the delicious anticipation of what was to come.

In answer to your question, “Can’t you just post here the Chronicles you’ve already written”?

The answer is of course, yes I could, but for many reasons, I choose not to do that at this time.

If you care, here are my reasons:

1) I have a desire to be happy on an ongoing basis, and it appears that I have violated two rules for happy living that I feel are correct.

The two rules are in L Ron Hubbard’s book entitled “Scientology, A New Slant of Life” book. The article is entitled “TWO RULES FOR HAPPY LIVING”, and in my copy of the book, it begins on page 23. The rules he gives at the beginning of the article are:

1. Be able to experience anything.
2. Cause only those things which others can experience easily.

In posting my 1st Chronicle entitled "DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT NOW", on the 28th of July 2010, I violated rule number 2, and I subsequently discovered that I was not able to comfortably experience some of the responses to that posting.

So I need to do some work on myself, and that is exactly what I am doing. I am working to increase my ability to be able to comfortably experience any responses as they occur.

In my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter-10, entitled “RESPONSE-ABILITY, I define RESPONSE-ABILITY as follows. “The ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD manner to anything that does or does not happen in your life.”

By that definition, I need to do more work developing my ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD way to whatever does or does not happen when I post something on ESMB.

The discovery of my less that feel good responses to some of my postings has also brought me to a few rather unpleasant discoveries:

1) I am not the Grade-0 Communications release that I thought I was. I am apparently not able to listen comfortably to what anyone has to say.

I also did not respond in a feel good, comfortable manner to some of the communications I received after my ESMB postings, so, in truth, I still have work to do to get to the point where I consistently respond positively to any communications I receive.

2) I am not flat on TR-0 Bullbate, for I still am somewhat reactive to invalidation, false accusations and ridicule. (For those unfamiliar with the term, TR-0 stands for Training Routine Number Zero. It is a routine that, among other things, enables you to practice being comfortable in front of another person.

TR-0 Bullbate, is where a coach originates all sorts of communications in an effort to make you uncomfortable. The idea is to give you an opportunity to practice, develop and increase your ability to be comfortable with anything. As you become more proficient, the coach hits you with some pretty nasty communications to see how well you have developed the ability to respond comfortably to these verbal and emotional attacks. If the coach is being true to the intent of the exercise, all of this “bull baiting” will bring you to the point where you are “Willing to experience anything” comfortably. Flat means that you no longer react in any “feel bad“ way.)

My discovery that I did not respond well to some of the responses to my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter -1, clearly indicated that I need to re-train, and re-do expanded Grade - 0 to a real world, chronically stable result. It also indicates that I need to increase my ability to comfortably perceive things, and I need to increase my ability and willingness to experience anything.

In alignment with that, by the power invested in me by me, I hereby cancel all of my certificates as an auditor, and I relinquish any status as an OT. (An Operating Thetan - an operational spiritual being who is completely cause over life.)

I also wish to relinquish my Avionics (Space electronics) engineering degree as I am not yet able to engineer my carpet into the air and I relinquish any claim to being a meta or quantum physicist for the same reason.

I do however retain the right to use this degree if I need to, for Carolyn’s three and a half year illness and death devastated our finances and put us into considerable debt. I realize that it is a bit unethical to claim I am an engineer when my engineering skills are not up to par, but I choose to justify this out of a survival need.

I also retain the right to use the OT and the Auditor Class symbols if I need to impress potential clients. I feel justified in doing this, for it appears that I do have the ability to process, train, audit and guide clients to more of the life they want, and less of the life they do not want. For over forty years, I have asked clients if the services they received from me were worth more than the time and money they invested. In forty years, I have only had one person say no, and I refunded their money.

I wish, as much as I am able, to go forth on the exact truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The labels and symbols can of course give a person a false or inaccurate picture of who and what you are, and what you are and are not able to do.

If you say you are a Class-VIII, or a Class XII Qual auditor, or an OT-VII, or an OT anything, people tend to assume that you have abilities that you may or may not actually have.

Over the years I worked with a lot of Dianetics and Scientology auditors from Class-0 to Class-XII. Many of them were also OT this or that, but it truth, they often didn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn’t.

Some, for instance, thought that the TR’s were abilities instead of the truth that they were Training Routines designed to assist one with the goal of orchestrating certain abilities into existence.

Some felt that “The 2D” was a label for the person they were having a romantic relationship with, rather than the fact that it is a symbol for our impulse to have sex and create a family.

So I hereby relinquish all of my titles, degrees and the symbols that I have attached to my name in the past.

Further, I wish to apologize to anyone who got a false, partially false or inaccurate picture of who and what I am based on the automatic assumption they may have made because of the symbols I associated with my name. (i.e. OT-VIII, Class VIII, Class-XII Qual auditor, Bachelor of Science engineer, Master of anything, PhD, or any other symbolic designation that my ego and I put next to my name in an effort to impress someone, or to get them to buy services from me based on the idea that I had a degree and therefore I must be a really able and capable guy.) I relinquish any claim to being an OT. I do have some specific abilities that are out of the ordinary, but I prefer to tell about them as part of the story I will delineate in my Johnny Raff Chronicles autobiography.

I have been diagnosed with prostrate cancer and Diabetes, and I have a number of physical ailments, aches and pains that I have not been able to chronically handle with any supposed OT (God-Like) ability. I have been apparently able to produce some healing miracles at times, but I have not been able to do so chronically. I have what others readily symbolize as “An addiction to sugar” especially my mother’s wonderful deserts. I have written a book called, “Health Food Make Me Sick”, and I work daily to use my “OT Powers” to cure myself despite the fact that it has not chronically worked. Thus I am guilty of the insanity of continuing do the same thing, or a similar thing, and expecting different results. Well sane, or insane, I will continue to work on developing a God-Like ability to cure myself, and as of this writing, I have no intention of ever giving up, despite any ridicule or logic that may come my way. I am open to finding workable ways to pull off my miracle healing ability.

I additionally wish to relinquish any claim of having any special relationship with anyone.

In the past, when people came to visit me, I sometimes showed them an album of pictures of me taken with various celebrities. These included, Jimmy Steward, Gil Gerand, Erik Estrada, Buddy Ebsen, Earl Holliman, Clayton Moore, (The original Lone Ranger), Gene Autry, Jane Seymour, Pia Zadora, Angie Dickinson, Lou Rawls, Dennis Weaver, “Iron Eyes” Cody, Stevie Wonder, Cesar Romero, Dee Wallace Stone, Jonathan Frakes from the crew of the TV series, "The Star Ship Enterprise - The Next Generation", Tony Dow, Rosanne, JoAnn Worley, Ernest Borgnine, Richard Farnsworth (One of the nicest guys one would ever hope to meet.), Richard Moll, Ed Asner, Edward James Olmos, Samuel L. Jackson, Tony Danza, Steve Allen, Doug McClure, Ned Beatty, Ed McMahon, Sammy Davis Jr., Harry (From Harry and the Henderson’s TV series) Pat Morita, Buzz Aldrin (the 2nd man to walk on the moon) Bob Hope, Tony Curtis, The Mission Impossible stars, Dennis O’Conner, Martha Ray, The Monkey’s, Grizzly Adams, Ned Beatty, Phyllis Diller, Little Richard, Mr. T, Debbie Reynolds and others. Hope you are impressed and you want to flow me some admiration, because that is what motivated my ego and I to show the pictures. Not that there is anything wrong with getting admiration. I feel one should get all one can get, but one should not need it, or need to solicit it, especially by attempting to get it by positioning yourself with some celebrities.

In the past, I spoke of my relationships with various celebrities. I told people that I had worked with President Gerald Ford in the creation of a television show honoring his many years of supporting The Boy Scouts of America. Well it’s true, I did do that with President Ford, but the point is, I told the story to get some altitude in the eyes of others, not to simply state something I had been proud to work on. I told people that I co-wrote and co-produced the television program Rebuilding America with Efrem Zimbalist Jr. to impress people, not to simply relate a bit of my resume. I told people of my associations with Walt Disney, Ward Kimball (who created Jimmy Cricket) and L Ron Hubbard. I did this, not simply to tell my story, but to get some admiration via my association with people who accomplished far more than I have. These people were some of my heroes and I wanted to accomplish as much as they did, but I stupidly tried to use them to get ahead instead of just getting ahead.

So I wish to cease doing any of that, and I wish to get back to the level of integrity I had back in the seventies when I was working in the field to see how much of Ron Hubbard’s stuff actually worked.

I had been working out of an apartment in Belmont California with a wonderful gal by the name of Audrey Hills. We had been assisting people to get rid of their unwanted conditions, including unwanted pains, emotions, sensations and attitudes when the phone rang.

'Is this John Rafanello?' the party on the line asked.

“Yes it is“, I replied.

'Well, you don't know me”, the voice began. “But I've got a friend who you don't know either".

“OK“, I responded suppressing an urge to laugh.

"But my friend has a friend who you do know, but I don't remember his name" the guy continued.

"Anyway, I hear you handle migraine headaches”.

‘Well“, I responded, “I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them any more”.

“Well, can you handle my migraine headaches?', the fellow asked.

“All I can tell you,“ I replied, “is that I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

“'Yeah, but can you handle my headaches?”, he repeated

“'In all honesty“, I said. “all I can tell you is that I had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them anymore“.

“Well what do you do?”, the man asked.

To that I presented a brief explanation of what I did. I explained that what I did was based on the works of L Ron Hubbard, and he replied by saying that he never heard of him.

“Well that’s what I do”, I told him.

To this he replied, “'Will it work on me?', and in the most gracious and friendly manner I could muster I replied, “I don't know. Hubbard claims that is will work on everybody, but I haven't worked with everybody, so I don't know.

:confused2:"All I can honestly and accurately tell you is that there are three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more".

So the guy decided to do some auditing, and then I had four people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

It is now quite apparent to me that I need some work in developing the abilities that an OT is supposed to have. Yes I had a lot of OT experiences, and yes I have some OT abilities, but I am far from being the OT I am supposed to be. So those of you who found it inconsistent that a real OT would not react negatively to some of the ridicule and invalidation I received on ESMB, I wish to say that it looks like you were one hundred percent totally correct.

:liar:So in conclusion, I now wish to represent myself only as someone working to become a true Grade-0 release, and an auditor that can comfortably respond to anything that does or does not happen on ESMB, or in life, in a FEEL GOOD way.

I will continue to represent myself as an auditor (one who can effectively assist others to vanish things they do not want, and make appear things they do), for I do seem to be able to do that in my estimation, and in the estimation of other people I have worked with. However, I will no longer claim to be a high classed auditor, a clear or an OT of any kind. I will no longer claim any special association with anyone.

Some of you may choose to consider I am being facetious and not sincere, and that is of course your right. I am however sincere about what I have said whether you choose to believe it or not. (And if your choose to negatively judge me for any of my choices, I will work to get comfortably able to experience that, and thank you for the opportunity to do so.)

Thank you all for your love and support that I have received.

I am learning, or at least I hope I am.

Who knows, one day I may even become the OT I dream of being.

Love

John Rafanello
The Magic Thetan

Johnny....thank you for your beautiful post.....and for the time spent and the work you've done on this. I think it's very sincere.

I told you in either a PM or an email that I might be able to help you with your health, but you have ignored my communication. I don't know what else to say here.

 

[thetanic]

So in conclusion, I now wish to represent myself only as someone working to become a true Grade-0 release, and an auditor that can comfortably respond to anything that does or does not happen on ESMB, or in life, in a FEEL GOOD way.

I will continue to represent myself as an auditor (one who can effectively assist others to vanish things they do not want, and make appear things they do), for I do seem to be able to do that in my estimation, and in the estimation of other people I have worked with. However, I will no longer claim to be a high classed auditor, a clear or an OT of any kind. I will no longer claim any special association with anyone.

In session and in life, it's not the privilege (e.g., having worked with LRH, being highly trained) that makes one able to do more or experience more or audit better, it's really being there present in the moment.

Privileges are attachments. I find the Tibetan expression "shenpa" explains some of the issues with privilege (or attachment more generally), here's an essay about it.

I experience it, at the most subtle level, as a sort of tensing. Then you can feel yourself sort of withdrawing and actually not wanting to be in that place.

It causes you to feel a fundamental, underlying insecurity of the human experience that is inherent in a changing, shifting, impermanent, illusory world, as long as we are habituated to want to have ground under our feet.

 

[Leon]

I specifically put in a sentence to show that I understood the difference between Ethics and morals. I said something to the effect that ethics may not be the correct term to describe what I was talking about. Maybe the words morals or justice would be more appropriate. I put in that disclaimer just so you would not reach the conclusion which you did but you reached that same conclusion nevertheless.

On your paragraph above on personal ethics, I don't have all of the answers but your point of view leaves me hanging in mid air. For example, if an employee of another man steals his employer's wife and $5 million from his employer's business and by his own code he does not consider his behavior unethical then where do you go with such a man?

What if all moral codes denounce stabbing an innocent baby with a knife and yet Bill's personal ethical code is that it is totally ethical to do this act? If Bill is allowed to be a member of society, he will continue to keep stabbing babies though his code is the only code which says this is proper behavior. Perhaps over 6 billion other codes on the planet say this is unethical per their personal codes. Theoretically, you can make a case for this type of situation but practically speaking, you cannot actually deal with this situation per your theory.

Your theory would say the proper ethical conduct would to allow Bill to go on killing babies because though not moral as judged by society, it is ethical from Bill's point of view. Society would therefore allow Bill to go on stabbing babies, all the while hoping he would eventually put in Ethics on himself and come to the realization in his universe that the act of killing babies was not ethical. He would then cease from killing more babies. Then in your theoretical world, harmony would reign supreme. Society allowed Bill to be free to eventually put ethics in on himself and society did not enforce their morals down Bill's throat. This is truly a beautiful outcome except that it does not work because a trail of dead babies and distraught parents and relatives of those babies is left behind grieving so this ideal solution is not tenable as a serious alternative for a society to contemplate.
Lakey

Ummm . . . . You say have have no confusion between Ethics and Morals but right here in this reply of yours you seemingly do have just such a confusion.

For e.g: "What if all moral codes denounce stabbing an innocent baby with a knife and yet Bill's personal ethical code is that it is totally ethical to do this act?"

There can be no ethical code that says it is OK to stab babies for the simple reason that if something can be written as a rule to be followed or if the rule somehow "empowers" one to do some sort of act then it is clearly in the domain of Morals and not Ethics.

Underline the above para. Cmpare the two definitions again if you have any confusion here, they are quite different and do not overlap.

Furthermore, the definition I gave of Ethics is only partially LRH's, mostly my own. Similarly with the definition of Morals. these definitions I take from my own Scio Dict that I compiled some years ago after being disgusted for the Nth time with the overt product of the CofS's Tech Dictionary.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Johnny....thank you for your beautiful post.....and for the time spent and the work you've done on this. I think it's very sincere.

I told you in either a PM or an email that I might be able to help you with your health, but you have ignored my communication. I don't know what else to say here.

I am sorry. I thought I answered it. I get about 200 E-Mails a day and I get back logged. I have about fifty people who have offered help with my health, all of which say this is the answer. I had about 2000 with Carolyn, and I need to apply what I already know and am not applying. Thank you for your offer of help. It is most appreciated, and when I get time to sort out where to focus in the area, I may ask for what you have to offer, but please don't take the attitude that I am ignoring you. Love John

 

[Blue Spirit]

Acknowledging Some Realities & Actualities

Luv ya, Blue! Your comments on one of my posts months ago is what started me on my “Reader’s Digest” Treatments that I still haven’t finished and has been a wonderful journey for me. You’re a sure enough fine, fine feller.

I’ve never been antago towards El Ron…ever. I think my posts re: El Ron show that I been callin’ ‘em as I saws ‘em and I’s still not sure what all ‘twas I saws. I think I’ve done a fairly good job of framing my "take". I've often been blunt and to the point...all y'all please refute my words whenever you see fit...I am but a "blind dog in a meat-house".

Your take is yours’, Blue, and that’s very okay with me. It's my opinion that, whatever you do pal, don’t protect, believe or bet your spiritual nuts on anything you hear from, or about, this being.

El Ron knows the content of my heart…I “Face to face” to told him…poured of Hisself’s back like like a duck stuck out in the rain.

If I had the ability to be in comm with “Great Personas”, I’d want to experience the presence of; Lao-Tzu, truly great Spirit; Gautama Buddha, truly great Soul; Albert Einstein, truly great Mind; Abraham Lincoln, truly great Heart; Socrates of Athens, truly great Gonads.

I am aware that all of my “want’ list folks are lacking when compared to El Ron—they're lacking in Ego.

I’m not trying to “put you on the spot”. You’re being honest and forthright and that’s good…that’s been good for all of Us…especially me.

Thank Ya Blue,
Face

Hi Face,

I do thank you for the admiration as it is helpful to me, even though I've had a lot of it recently from a number of beings, one can't overrun on it, can one?

I also know and appreciate that you are being forthright, honest, and direct and am the type of being that really enjoys All of those qualities, very much.

I certainly know that what you say about LRH was true and you did see what you report on as in "callin' 'em as I saws 'em".

He was at that time out-of-valence, a narcissistic personality, a dominator, and all of the many other descriptions from those on the net and in books and in personal conversations of some I knew who worked with him on the Apollo.

I am reporting that he seems to have changed considerably after dumping the LRH persona in Jan. of 1986 (a long time ago). By what percent toward an ideal, I can't say and don't know now. I'm still pursuing some answers.

It was interesting regarding my initial contact, because he was visiting my auditor (an old friend of LRH) (not TMT) and not me and was just playing around doing some "coffee shop" C/Sing and bugging them for fun. Then the next session when he appeared again uninvited, I starting asking about things I was interested in regarding my situation and even the SP in the field I had the the misfortune of dealing with who is in the original LRH valence/s (not the P.T. being). Which by the way gave me the whole indirect but correct view up close of LRH and all his many faults experienced by me, as that fucking coward tried covertly to push me the rest of the way off of the cliff. He failed and will eventually take himself down similarly to the way LRH did.

I had just read about everything on LRH's negative side, so was in no mood to be propitiative or admiring to him. Nonetheless he ignored any thoughts like that and gave me some valuable, for that time, help, suggestions and information, mostly personal.

My intention is not to defend LRH at all, but only to report my experiences as you have done. I do believe in giving credit where it is due, and therefore a lot of credit does go to LRH.
What Lakey and others don't fully realize is that there were two LRH's and at this time many more than two parallel universes for this being. Don't ask me about it yet as I only have acquaintance with maybe two positive ones.

I agree with Lakey and LRH, in that he has much more of a liability formula to do, BUT he is doing valuable work still along the direction of positive research. From any "insider" I've had the brief acquaintance with over the years he always has had some strategy going. I believe he still does.
I'm not in an OT position of trust to know all and that is OK with me now.

Face, as far as your warnings about LRH, I have not yet taken down my "guard" with him, although it has been suggested to get in more direct comm with him.
From what has occurred I am quite safe and more than ever filter any Info or tech through my reality and what I know of the tech and other techs too.

Much progress has been made by that being (formerly LRH) since 1986, but he has a ways to go yet, for sure.
So do I !

I like your list of beings to Chanel. I'll see what I can do there.

I have just brought up beings separatedly, disrelated to my auditing,
solely from their perceived beingnesses (with help).
John McMaster way the most fun one as I clearly felt a presence with remarkably obvious and wonderful characteristics. An OT win for me !

MORE TO COME.

I find Blue's reports on LRH interesting. There have been a number of people over the years who have relayed messages which they say were from LRH. One was the Revenimus posts - I believe these were via Ralph Hilton. Another was through Mike somebody-or-other. Married to Virginia - that one. I found both of the above channels/messages to be very interesting indeed, judged purely by the quality of the info relayed.

I'm not going to try and coax Blue into revealing any more than he has to date - this is his own personal business - but I remain interested to know whether there was anything more substantial than these replies to some queries.

Thank you Leon.

All of this comm from LRH was initially (twice, through two terminals) unexpected and not at all seeked out, except by a continuing quest to answer some questions that most of us have by having some stuck attention.

Anyway, I pride myself in my honesty, and have been careful to tell it like it is. I'm not taking any ego satisfaction in these comms, but have as my sole
purpose to resolve, as much as I can, lingering problems of case and misunderstandings between myself, LRH (only a partial aspect of that being
currently), and any other being who has been wronged or mislead by LRH up to the point of eventual resolution to everyone's benefit.

Mostly I am responsible for myself to resolve these things for myself.

LRH is responsible for himself. He has resolved somethings for himself, but has more to go, mostly relating to others.
I still need to answer more specifically what he's done and what is left to do. I'll pursue that line with him when I get a chance.
He has a very strong Help flow, that others could take advantage of. There is at least one being that would intercede willingly with LRH. He has some availability, although not daily; there are physical opportunities to use this being, but it would be easier and more direct if I did this with him, as he is easily available to me now, as long as I balance my processing with the contacts, otherwise it isn't ethical for me, and they agree, as it was their suggestion first.

Like TMT, I'm working on many games, and need more session time myself too.

As far as others, they are responsible for themselves, and as long as they assign any blame to LRH even though is is quite warranted from my current viewpoint, then their tone is too low to get into the tone or "vibration" necessary to resolve things for themselves. A perfect trap.

Am I lecturing to others ??
Hell NO. You would have to go for some distance to find someone who has held himself down as much as I have with negativity.
I've been (no longer) a champ at limiting my OT powers.

Just to give you a touch of it, I discovered Positive Postulates solely on my own research without any input of education in that area and then went out and used them to create instant miracles that were mathematically very improbable, thus proving to myself the power of my discoveries.

P.S. = I like natural food restaurants; any good ones near you in N.Z. ?

 

[FoTi]

I am sorry. I thought I answered it. I get about 200 E-Mails a day and I get back logged. I have about fifty people who have offered help with my health, all of which say this is the answer. I had about 2000 with Carolyn, and I need to apply what I already know and am not applying. Thank you for your offer of help. It is most appreciated, and when I get time to sort out where to focus in the area, I may ask for what you have to offer, but please don't take the attitude that I am ignoring you. Love John

I understand what you are saying.....I know you are busy.....you have said so quite a few times. It's not 'my attitude' that you are ignoring me.....that is what you are doing.....saying you are not doesn't make it so. You put out the invitation for me to communicate with you, but you don't have the time or inclination to communicate or talk with me. From my viewpoint that is insincere.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

What does he want us to do....grovel? How many times does a person have to say they'd like to read his Chronicals? I ain't gonna beg him anymore.

I don't think he should have made a big deal out of it and said he was going to post his Chronicles here and then didn't follow through.  Maybe he thinks we'll want it more if he makes us wait or takes it away?  Phooey!   But that's just my opinion.  I'm sorry, I don't have much patience for that kind of thing.

It would be nice if there will be some Great stuff on the way, but I'm not holding my breath after this last promise of Chronicles, backed up by nothing. If something shows up, fine. If not, so be it. I'm beginning to feel like this is some kind of preliminaty set up for a sort of Barnum and Bailey affair. Create some excitement and mystery, then run a can't have, then try to create more excitement and mystery for something even bigger. Really build up a crescendo for The Magic Thetan show. Da..-da-da-da-da-da. I'm being a bit cynical here, but that is the way I feel. I guess I had enough of the "Come to the blah, blah event.....see the newest release.....blah, blah, blah". Just show it to me already.....cut out the games.

I understand he's busy, but in that case he should not have put forth that he was going to share something with us and then just didn't bother to do so....because he's too busy? And, I don't think anybody asked him to spend all his time here, did they?

Sometimes I get the feeling there is not much of anything I can do to be acceptable on this post.. I am sorry for any promises I made real or imagined. I will post when I can, and if that is not acceptable or of value, the hell with it.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Forgiveness

One further comment re ethics - having to do penance or amends or whatever you call it is a complete load of bullshit. Sure, when your ethics are in you may well want to make the world a better place, but it can never be a requirement to be met before forgiveness can be given - forgiveness is also a bullshit concept.

I see some truth in what you say, and likely this was part of LRH's control and
punishment game.

Possibly as a separate item, I went a long way down for not forgiving myself.
A long way down.
Forgiving oneself is essential to recovery and moving up.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Monday Morning Quarterbacking

Yes this is good Ted. I highlight in red the part that sums it up. Leon's post is good also.

For those who've read Hubbard's HCO PLs on Ethics and the Conditions, you will remember the little line from 1967 (which I will paraphrase from memory) "that we have to make the penalties for for being in a lower condition so horrible, that no one would ever want to be in them." (This quote is from the HCO PL that introduced the Condition of Liability formula, in 1967, from memory.)

I write the above because Hubbard demonstrably was into rule by domination, control and fear. He spoke of "love" . . . but sure as hell did not practice it, instead he rules by fear as was demonstrated by the orders of behavior he gave to the first SO missionaire officers (the stabbing a dirk into the ceiling trick in St. Hill).

And the orgs today are run on the basis of fear.

This is the antithesis of the facilitating of volitional personal and group ethical conduct (as in the example cited in the quote of Socrates).

Scn "ethics" as practiced is an exercise in the over-ruling of personal volition and sovereignty and of trust in the individual to personally be responsible and able to operate in the most ethical and optimum manner . . . . Hubbard demonstrably denied and over-ruled that fine notion by his behavior, orders written and given verbally, and by his statement I cite from 1967.

Scn ethics as practiced in orgs denies and prevents an individual from rising up to the optimum level of personal trust in self of ethical conduct execution. It is replaced by domination and control of the individual by way of the use of fear.

RogerB

You guys have full agreement from me on the above.

I dumped a lot of my Integrity into that bottomless black pit !!

Still trying to fully forgive myself for those horrible agreements with that Crap,

reinforced and taken to the ultimately insane level by their present

leader, who LRH ought to exteriorally cause to crook. I'm still trying to

understand why that has not been done. Seems like an overt to me.