The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[FoTi]

Sometimes I get the feeling there is not much of anything I can do to be acceptable on this post.. I am sorry for any promises I made real or imagined. I will post when I can, and if that is not acceptable or of value, the hell with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Spirit
"Maybe he's waiting for more reach and demand ?

He has been very busy with multiple games, and can't spend all of his time on ESMB.

Posting his history is one thing,

while creating new and important

games that will benefit all of us (at least the ones with some havingness)

is of greater importance in my informed opinion.

There is some Great stuff on the way, besides the Chronicles. "


I was responding to what Blue wrote....he said something about maybe you were waiting for more reach and demand (see the above quote). And I wrote that post before I read your nice long post #4726.

 

[lkwdblds]

I specifically put in a sentence to show that I understood the difference between Ethics and morals. I said something to the effect that ethics may not be the correct term to describe what I was talking about. Maybe the words morals or justice would be more appropriate. I put in that disclaimer just so you would not reach the conclusion which you did but you reached that same conclusion nevertheless.

On your paragraph above on personal ethics, I don't have all of the answers but your point of view leaves me hanging in mid air. For example, if an employee of another man steals his employer's wife and $5 million from his employer's business and by his own code he does not consider his behavior unethical then where do you go with such a man?

What if all moral codes denounce stabbing an innocent baby with a knife and yet Bill's personal ethical code is that it is totally ethical to do this act? If Bill is allowed to be a member of society, he will continue to keep stabbing babies though his code is the only code which says this is proper behavior. Perhaps over 6 billion other codes on the planet say this is unethical per their personal codes. Theoretically, you can make a case for this type of situation but practically speaking, you cannot actually deal with this situation per your theory.

Your theory would say the proper ethical conduct would to allow Bill to go on killing babies because though not moral as judged by society, it is ethical from Bill's point of view. Society would therefore allow Bill to go on stabbing babies, all the while hoping he would eventually put in Ethics on himself and come to the realization in his universe that the act of killing babies was not ethical. He would then cease from killing more babies. Then in your theoretical world, harmony would reign supreme. Society allowed Bill to be free to eventually put ethics in on himself and society did not enforce their morals down Bill's throat. This is truly a beautiful outcome except that it does not work because a trail of dead babies and distraught parents and relatives of those babies is left behind grieving so this ideal solution is not tenable as a serious alternative for a society to contemplate.
Lakey

I have a new opinion of your post. I think it is well intended, perhaps the informatiion contained in it is correct but I don't know one way or the other. I believe it is your method of presentation which needs improvement.

First off, you define some terms but you do not announce the source of your information. To me, it resembled what I had seen in Hubbard's various dictionaries, tech and admin. There did not seem to be any other influence in your terms other than Hubbard. As it turned out, you presented a definition you developed which started out with what Hubbard stated and made an effort to improve upon Hubbard's work. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IF YOU HAD MADE THIS CLEAR IN YOUR FIRST POST. HAD I KNOWN THIS, MY RESPONSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.

Next, you initally define the term Ethics in detail but do not define the term morals. You criticise my response saying I have confusion between ethics and morals. Fair enough, that works out. Then you define morals extensively but ethics is defined several pages earlier so it is a bit difficult to compare the two. It would have been helpful at the point you defined "morals" to give an example or illustration of how you believe the two terms are often confused with one another.

If you take Bill who sees no harm in stabbing innocent babies (perhaps he feels he is helping reduce overpopulation) and believes this is ethical and give an example of how his behavior should be handled in a society whose morals dictate that this not be done, I would be interested in seeing what you come up with.

In this example, two things seem to be in conflict. Society, seeking to enforce agreed upon morals will punish Bill, put him in prison and so forth. This seems a fitting action to me. Meanwhile, society can not put in Bill's ethics, Bill must be allowed to come to his senses and put in his own ethics. This is where I find your theoretical concepts difficult to put into practice in the real world. Society must allow Bill to put in ethics on himself and it seems as if there is nothing they can "do" or any way they can participate in making this happen. They can just "wait" and "hope". If Bill eventually comes to his sentences and puts in his own ethics then Bill and society both win but if he doesn't then that's just the way it goes.

I am just saying, this is not a satisfying outcome for me. Can you please clear this up for me and illustrate a real world handling of how your theories would be implemented. Show me what you mean by your statement that contrition and ammends is "a load of shit" when it comes to ethics handlings.

Lakey

 

[Blue Spirit]

Two Dichotomous Beings

Yes Lakey, those posts are excellent.

I saw firsthand that El Ron expected and exacted— aggressively, sometimes viciously—that others play by the rules although Hisself only went by the rules when it was to Hisself’s favor or fancy. Plenty has been written about that by others more credible than I.

Ted’s quote from 8-8008 is perfect and both Roger’s and Ted’s insights are, in part, why I have given Blue my Caveat Emptors re: El Ron. I personally see El Ron’s chicanery as endemic and not “Case Phenomena”.

Of all the things that stick in my craw re: El Ron, Black Scn and Institutional Scn the wanton abusing, savaging and leaching of dedicated, hard working and decent folks is the one that gnaws on me the most.

I never followed or used Ethics “Tech” all that much in my SO career and I had high stats on every post I held. The biggest problem I had “keeping the stats up” was the Rube Goldberg system and the clueless, drunk with power CMO, Networks and Senior “Management”.

Face

I think what LRH needed during his lifetime was a series of Punch-outs by a series of people.

I've heard multiple stories by several people that if one stood up to his cowardness he would back down. Some did it by just maintaining their natural powers of beingness.
John McMaster did it for the kids in the chain locker, a story that would hit anyone in the gut.

I did confront LRH on several subjects recently which were certainly not comfortable for him. He knows that he has a lot to repair.

That being now seems to be on the right road, with a long way to travel.


On the other side is a being who assembled a lot of good workable tech that I use daily to improve my life.
Credit where credit is due.
That has been valuable to me. In fact it saved my life several times.

Not of that level but, I used PAB 111, to get rid of my eyeglasses.
I broke them, and could not find one lens, then raced my car up to 115 mph on a turn for two days, then suddenly realized I hadn't used my glasses the whole weekend ! Never put them on since.

The essence of understanding LRH is not to make him one personality, which makes him impossible to understand, but to realize he was two or more
constructs, one of which overwhelmed the other for everyone's detriment.

Much of the negative side (although certainly not fully handled yet) was left
behind on 24 January, 1986, when he suddenly realizes he has no body and that he'd fucked up in many areas, and wonder what what hit him, I'd suppose.
I'll have to ask him about what happened at the time.


PS = I will be off ESMB for several days, so I can get a life.

 

[FoTi]

I think what LRH needed during his lifetime was a series of Punch-outs by a series of people.

I've heard multiple stories by several people that if one stood up to his cowardness he would back down. Some did it by just maintaining their natural powers of beingness.
John McMaster did it for the kids in the chain locker, a story that would hit anyone in the gut.

I did confront LRH on several subjects recently which were certainly not comfortable for him. He knows that he has a lot to repair.

That being now seems to be on the right road, with a long way to travel.


On the other side is a being who assembled a lot of good workable tech that I use daily to improve my life.
Credit where credit is due.
That has been valuable to me. In fact it saved my life several times.

Not of that level but, I used PAB 111, to get rid of my eyeglasses.
I broke them, and could not find one lens, then raced my car up to 115 mph on a turn for two days, then suddenly realized I hadn't used my glasses the whole weekend ! Never put them on since.

The essence of understanding LRH is not to make him one personality, which makes him impossible to understand, but to realize he was two or more
constructs, one of which overwhelmed the other for everyone's detriment.

Much of the negative side (although certainly not fully handled yet) was left
behind on 24 January, 1986, when he suddenly realizes he has no body and that he'd fucked up in many areas, and wonder what what hit him, I'd suppose.
I'll have to ask him about what happened at the time.


PS = I will be off ESMB for several days, so I can get a life.

Thanks for the post, Blue.

 

[Leon]

I have a new opinion of your post. I think it is well intended, perhaps the informatiion contained in it is correct but I don't know one way or the other. I believe it is your method of presentation which needs improvement.

I see several "errors" in your post. These errors are to do with the presentation of the argument itself and not necessarily the theory of your argument.

First off, you define some terms but you do not announce the source of your information. To me, it resembled what I had seen in Hubbard's various dictionaries, tech and admin. There did not seem to be any other influence in your terms other than Hubbard. As it turned out, which you just revealed in your last post, it is a definition you developed which started out with what Hubbard stated and made an effort to imporve upon Hubbard's work. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IF YOU HAD MADE THIS CLEAR IN YOUR FIRST POST. HAD I KNOWN THIS, MY RESPONSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.

Next oversight, you initally define the term Ethics in detail but do not define the term morals. You criticise my response saying I have confusion between ethics and morals. Fair enough, that works out. Then you define morals but ethics is defined several pages back so it is a bit difficult to compare the two. It would have been helpful at the point you defined "morals" to give an example or illustration of how you believe the two terms are often confused with one another.

If you take Bill who sees no harm in stabbing innocent babies and believes this is ethical and give an example of how his behavior should be handled in a society whose morals dictate that this not be done, I would be interested in seeing what you come up with.

In this example, two things seem to be in conflict. Society, seeking to enforce agreed upon morals will punish Bill, put him in prison and so forth. This seems a fitting action to me. Meanwhile, society can not put in Bill's ethics, Bill must be allowed to come to his sentence and put in his own ethics. This is where I find your theoretical concepts difficult to put into practice in the real world. Society must allow Bill to put in ethics on himself and it seems as if there is nothing they can "do" or any way they can participate in making this happen. They can just wait and hope. If Bill eventually comes to his sentences and puts in his own ethics then Bill and society both win but if he doesn't then that's just the way it goes.

I am just saying, this is not a satisfying outcome for me. Can you please clear this up for me and illustrate a real world handling of how your theories would be implemented.
Lakey
Lakey

I'm sorry that there were aspects of my posts that you found troublesome. It was not meant to be a full course on etrhics at all, just a few comments on where LRH and the CofS went wrong with it. Then it sort of grew and grew.

Look again at the definition:

ETHICS, Ethics is the application of reason and good sense in the attainment of optimum survival. Fully applied, ethics would strive for the highest level of survival for the individual, the family, the group, mankind, and all else besides taken collectively.

More than anything else Ethics refers to the base from which one is operating. Ethics is the stance one takes in life, it is who and what one considers oneself to be. It is the position from which one acts. Ethics is the base. It is that which is decided upon and exercised by oneself in accordance with one’s belief in one’s own honour, integrity and good reason, and is applied by oneself as the most optimum solution along one’s own eight dynamics.

The subject of ethics deals with the rehabilitation of that inherently good and strong person, and in the survival actions which then flow from him or her in acordance with and in harmony with their basic goodness. It brings into alignment one’s BEINGNESS, DOINGNESS and HAVINGNESS.

A being is as ethical as he is sane; he is as sane as he is ethical. The two words are exact synonyms.

The two underlined portions clearly indicate that there can be no "rules" with ethics. There is no such thing as a code of ethics which, when followed, would makes one's life an ethical life. Any such code would be a code of morals, and they are entirely arbitrary to the group and the time in which one lives. So as for Joe and Mary, if they were Moslems in Saudi or Iran they would be stoned to death or something like that, if they were in a modern western sociewty they would be asked to sell their story to a pulp-newspaper would reward them with good money for their "story". Morals are arbitrary. If you agree with the outcome of their application then you feel that justice has been done. If not, then not. They are entirely arbitrary and depend on your agreement and participation.

Now what I said about forgiveness - this actually does have a LRH reference for it somewhere (if that is important to anyone) but the basis of what I said is the fact that before you can forgive someone you first have to consider that they are guilty of something which means you have to consider that you were harmed by something they did. Well we all know that that really is bulldust, you can only be harmed by your own considerations and not by anyone else's actions. Even if they do supposedly muss up your mock-ups you can always ake a new mock-up, or whatever.

And the whole contrition thing - hell New Zealand is full of it, everyone has to really show how sorry they are and how much remorse they have for what they did - it's enough to make one vomit. To demand that someone must display some particular tone level before they can be allowed to be causative again is plain bullshit. Third Dynamic aberration to the extreme.

 

[lkwdblds]

allright! Thanks for clearing that up!

I'm sorry that there were aspects of my posts that you found troublesome. It was not meant to be a full course on etrhics at all, just a few comments on where LRH and the CofS went wrong with it. Then it sort of grew and grew.

Look again at the definition:

ETHICS, Ethics is the application of reason and good sense in the attainment of optimum survival. Fully applied, ethics would strive for the highest level of survival for the individual, the family, the group, mankind, and all else besides taken collectively.

More than anything else Ethics refers to the base from which one is operating. Ethics is the stance one takes in life, it is who and what one considers oneself to be. It is the position from which one acts. Ethics is the base. It is that which is decided upon and exercised by oneself in accordance with one’s belief in one’s own honour, integrity and good reason, and is applied by oneself as the most optimum solution along one’s own eight dynamics.

The subject of ethics deals with the rehabilitation of that inherently good and strong person, and in the survival actions which then flow from him or her in acordance with and in harmony with their basic goodness. It brings into alignment one’s BEINGNESS, DOINGNESS and HAVINGNESS.

A being is as ethical as he is sane; he is as sane as he is ethical. The two words are exact synonyms.

The two underlined portions clearly indicate that there can be no "rules" with ethics. There is no such thing as a code of ethics which, when followed, would makes one's life an ethical life. Any such code would be a code of morals, and they are entirely arbitrary to the group and the time in which one lives. So as for Joe and Mary, if they were Moslems in Saudi or Iran they would be stoned to death or something like that, if they were in a modern western sociewty they would be asked to sell their story to a pulp-newspaper would reward them with good money for their "story". Morals are arbitrary. If you agree with the outcome of their application then you feel that justice has been done. If not, then not. They are entirely arbitrary and depend on your agreement and participation.

Now what I said about forgiveness - this actually does have a LRH reference for it somewhere (if that is important to anyone) but the basis of what I said is the fact that before you can forgive someone you first have to consider that they are guilty of something which means you have to consider that you were harmed by something they did. Well we all know that that really is bulldust, you can only be harmed by your own considerations and not by anyone else's actions. Even if they do supposedly muss up your mock-ups you can always ake a new mock-up, or whatever.

And the whole contrition thing - hell New Zealand is full of it, everyone has to really show how sorry they are and how much remorse they have for what they did - it's enough to make one vomit. To demand that someone must display some particular tone level before they can be allowed to be causative again is plain bullshit. Third Dynamic aberration to the extreme.

All right, I am happy Very good examples by the way, also very instructive. BTW in that quote of mine, I kept saying, when a person comes to his sentences.... of course I meant comes to his senses. Your definitions work best for OT like beings. I imagine they work for all beings but only aware beings perceive what is going on, less aware people probably grumble about things under their breath and demand more and more contrition.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

A Response to FoTi Post Number 4502 Page 451 - 7 August 2010
The Old Days Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Dear FoTi:

Thank you so much for your enjoyment of my posts, and for your desire to read them. That means the world to me, and I sincerely apologize for not making them all available to you. I don‘t want you to wait either. It actually pains me to think I have invited you to feel an absence of something you want. May I invite you to shift your attention to things that make you feel good, and then bask in the delicious anticipation of the wonderful things that will be there as time goes on. One of the lovely things I got out of reading “Ask and It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks (The Teachings of Abraham) was the idea that desire was not the longing for something that was absent, but the delicious anticipation of what was to come.

In answer to your question, “Can’t you just post here the Chronicles you’ve already written”?

The answer is of course, yes I could, but for many reasons, I choose not to do that at this time.

If you care, here are my reasons:

1) I have a desire to be happy on an ongoing basis, and it appears that I have violated two rules for happy living that I feel are correct.

The two rules are in L Ron Hubbard’s book entitled “Scientology, A New Slant of Life” book. The article is entitled “TWO RULES FOR HAPPY LIVING”, and in my copy of the book, it begins on page 23. The rules he gives at the beginning of the article are:

1. Be able to experience anything.
2. Cause only those things which others can experience easily.

In posting my 1st Chronicle entitled "DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT NOW", on the 28th of July 2010, I violated rule number 2, and I subsequently discovered that I was not able to comfortably experience some of the responses to that posting.

So I need to do some work on myself, and that is exactly what I am doing. I am working to increase my ability to be able to comfortably experience any responses as they occur.

In my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter-10, entitled “RESPONSE-ABILITY, I define RESPONSE-ABILITY as follows. “The ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD manner to anything that does or does not happen in your life.”

By that definition, I need to do more work developing my ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD way to whatever does or does not happen when I post something on ESMB.

The discovery of my less that feel good responses to some of my postings has also brought me to a few rather unpleasant discoveries:

1) I am not the Grade-0 Communications release that I thought I was. I am apparently not able to listen comfortably to what anyone has to say.

I also did not respond in a feel good, comfortable manner to some of the communications I received after my ESMB postings, so, in truth, I still have work to do to get to the point where I consistently respond positively to any communications I receive.

2) I am not flat on TR-0 Bullbate, for I still am somewhat reactive to invalidation, false accusations and ridicule. (For those unfamiliar with the term, TR-0 stands for Training Routine Number Zero. It is a routine that, among other things, enables you to practice being comfortable in front of another person.

TR-0 Bullbate, is where a coach originates all sorts of communications in an effort to make you uncomfortable. The idea is to give you an opportunity to practice, develop and increase your ability to be comfortable with anything. As you become more proficient, the coach hits you with some pretty nasty communications to see how well you have developed the ability to respond comfortably to these verbal and emotional attacks. If the coach is being true to the intent of the exercise, all of this “bull baiting” will bring you to the point where you are “Willing to experience anything” comfortably. Flat means that you no longer react in any “feel bad“ way.)

My discovery that I did not respond well to some of the responses to my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter -1, clearly indicated that I need to re-train, and re-do expanded Grade - 0 to a real world, chronically stable result. It also indicates that I need to increase my ability to comfortably perceive things, and I need to increase my ability and willingness to experience anything.

In alignment with that, by the power invested in me by me, I hereby cancel all of my certificates as an auditor, and I relinquish any status as an OT. (An Operating Thetan - an operational spiritual being who is completely cause over life.)

I also wish to relinquish my Avionics (Space electronics) engineering degree as I am not yet able to engineer my carpet into the air and I relinquish any claim to being a meta or quantum physicist for the same reason.

I do however retain the right to use this degree if I need to, for Carolyn’s three and a half year illness and death devastated our finances and put us into considerable debt. I realize that it is a bit unethical to claim I am an engineer when my engineering skills are not up to par, but I choose to justify this out of a survival need.

I also retain the right to use the OT and the Auditor Class symbols if I need to impress potential clients. I feel justified in doing this, for it appears that I do have the ability to process, train, audit and guide clients to more of the life they want, and less of the life they do not want. For over forty years, I have asked clients if the services they received from me were worth more than the time and money they invested. In forty years, I have only had one person say no, and I refunded their money.

I wish, as much as I am able, to go forth on the exact truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The labels and symbols can of course give a person a false or inaccurate picture of who and what you are, and what you are and are not able to do.

If you say you are a Class-VIII, or a Class XII Qual auditor, or an OT-VII, or an OT anything, people tend to assume that you have abilities that you may or may not actually have.

Over the years I worked with a lot of Dianetics and Scientology auditors from Class-0 to Class-XII. Many of them were also OT this or that, but it truth, they often didn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn’t.

Some, for instance, thought that the TR’s were abilities instead of the truth that they were Training Routines designed to assist one with the goal of orchestrating certain abilities into existence.

Some felt that “The 2D” was a label for the person they were having a romantic relationship with, rather than the fact that it is a symbol for our impulse to have sex and create a family.

So I hereby relinquish all of my titles, degrees and the symbols that I have attached to my name in the past.

Further, I wish to apologize to anyone who got a false, partially false or inaccurate picture of who and what I am based on the automatic assumption they may have made because of the symbols I associated with my name. (i.e. OT-VIII, Class VIII, Class-XII Qual auditor, Bachelor of Science engineer, Master of anything, PhD, or any other symbolic designation that my ego and I put next to my name in an effort to impress someone, or to get them to buy services from me based on the idea that I had a degree and therefore I must be a really able and capable guy.) I relinquish any claim to being an OT. I do have some specific abilities that are out of the ordinary, but I prefer to tell about them as part of the story I will delineate in my Johnny Raff Chronicles autobiography.

I have been diagnosed with prostrate cancer and Diabetes, and I have a number of physical ailments, aches and pains that I have not been able to chronically handle with any supposed OT (God-Like) ability. I have been apparently able to produce some healing miracles at times, but I have not been able to do so chronically. I have what others readily symbolize as “An addiction to sugar” especially my mother’s wonderful deserts. I have written a book called, “Health Food Make Me Sick”, and I work daily to use my “OT Powers” to cure myself despite the fact that it has not chronically worked. Thus I am guilty of the insanity of continuing do the same thing, or a similar thing, and expecting different results. Well sane, or insane, I will continue to work on developing a God-Like ability to cure myself, and as of this writing, I have no intention of ever giving up, despite any ridicule or logic that may come my way. I am open to finding workable ways to pull off my miracle healing ability.

I additionally wish to relinquish any claim of having any special relationship with anyone.

In the past, when people came to visit me, I sometimes showed them an album of pictures of me taken with various celebrities. These included, Jimmy Steward, Gil Gerand, Erik Estrada, Buddy Ebsen, Earl Holliman, Clayton Moore, (The original Lone Ranger), Gene Autry, Jane Seymour, Pia Zadora, Angie Dickinson, Lou Rawls, Dennis Weaver, “Iron Eyes” Cody, Stevie Wonder, Cesar Romero, Dee Wallace Stone, Jonathan Frakes from the crew of the TV series, "The Star Ship Enterprise - The Next Generation", Tony Dow, Rosanne, JoAnn Worley, Ernest Borgnine, Richard Farnsworth (One of the nicest guys one would ever hope to meet.), Richard Moll, Ed Asner, Edward James Olmos, Samuel L. Jackson, Tony Danza, Steve Allen, Doug McClure, Ned Beatty, Ed McMahon, Sammy Davis Jr., Harry (From Harry and the Henderson’s TV series) Pat Morita, Buzz Aldrin (the 2nd man to walk on the moon) Bob Hope, Tony Curtis, The Mission Impossible stars, Dennis O’Conner, Martha Ray, The Monkey’s, Grizzly Adams, Ned Beatty, Phyllis Diller, Little Richard, Mr. T, Debbie Reynolds and others. Hope you are impressed and you want to flow me some admiration, because that is what motivated my ego and I to show the pictures. Not that there is anything wrong with getting admiration. I feel one should get all one can get, but one should not need it, or need to solicit it, especially by attempting to get it by positioning yourself with some celebrities.

In the past, I spoke of my relationships with various celebrities. I told people that I had worked with President Gerald Ford in the creation of a television show honoring his many years of supporting The Boy Scouts of America. Well it’s true, I did do that with President Ford, but the point is, I told the story to get some altitude in the eyes of others, not to simply state something I had been proud to work on. I told people that I co-wrote and co-produced the television program Rebuilding America with Efrem Zimbalist Jr. to impress people, not to simply relate a bit of my resume. I told people of my associations with Walt Disney, Ward Kimball (who created Jimmy Cricket) and L Ron Hubbard. I did this, not simply to tell my story, but to get some admiration via my association with people who accomplished far more than I have. These people were some of my heroes and I wanted to accomplish as much as they did, but I stupidly tried to use them to get ahead instead of just getting ahead.

So I wish to cease doing any of that, and I wish to get back to the level of integrity I had back in the seventies when I was working in the field to see how much of Ron Hubbard’s stuff actually worked.

I had been working out of an apartment in Belmont California with a wonderful gal by the name of Audrey Hills. We had been assisting people to get rid of their unwanted conditions, including unwanted pains, emotions, sensations and attitudes when the phone rang.

'Is this John Rafanello?' the party on the line asked.

“Yes it is“, I replied.

'Well, you don't know me”, the voice began. “But I've got a friend who you don't know either".

“OK“, I responded suppressing an urge to laugh.

"But my friend has a friend who you do know, but I don't remember his name" the guy continued.

"Anyway, I hear you handle migraine headaches”.

‘Well“, I responded, “I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them any more”.

“Well, can you handle my migraine headaches?', the fellow asked.

“All I can tell you,“ I replied, “is that I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

“'Yeah, but can you handle my headaches?”, he repeated

“'In all honesty“, I said. “all I can tell you is that I had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them anymore“.

“Well what do you do?”, the man asked.

To that I presented a brief explanation of what I did. I explained that what I did was based on the works of L Ron Hubbard, and he replied by saying that he never heard of him.

“Well that’s what I do”, I told him.

To this he replied, “'Will it work on me?', and in the most gracious and friendly manner I could muster I replied, “I don't know. Hubbard claims that is will work on everybody, but I haven't worked with everybody, so I don't know.

:confused2:"All I can honestly and accurately tell you is that there are three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more".

So the guy decided to do some auditing, and then I had four people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

It is now quite apparent to me that I need some work in developing the abilities that an OT is supposed to have. Yes I had a lot of OT experiences, and yes I have some OT abilities, but I am far from being the OT I am supposed to be. So those of you who found it inconsistent that a real OT would not react negatively to some of the ridicule and invalidation I received on ESMB, I wish to say that it looks like you were one hundred percent totally correct.

:liar:So in conclusion, I now wish to represent myself only as someone working to become a true Grade-0 release, and an auditor that can comfortably respond to anything that does or does not happen on ESMB, or in life, in a FEEL GOOD way.

I will continue to represent myself as an auditor (one who can effectively assist others to vanish things they do not want, and make appear things they do), for I do seem to be able to do that in my estimation, and in the estimation of other people I have worked with. However, I will no longer claim to be a high classed auditor, a clear or an OT of any kind. I will no longer claim any special association with anyone.

Some of you may choose to consider I am being facetious and not sincere, and that is of course your right. I am however sincere about what I have said whether you choose to believe it or not. (And if your choose to negatively judge me for any of my choices, I will work to get comfortably able to experience that, and thank you for the opportunity to do so.)

Thank you all for your love and support that I have received.

I am learning, or at least I hope I am.

Who knows, one day I may even become the OT I dream of being.

Love

John Rafanello
The Magic Thetan

I thought that this was a very honest post. I, myself, don't say i'm a class anything auditor because I wasn't happy with the system that had naming rights.

 

[FoTi]

I thought that this was a very honest post. I, myself, don't say i'm a class anything auditor because I was happy with the system that had naming rights.

What's the system that had naming rights?

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Sometimes I get the feeling there is not much of anything I can do to be acceptable on this post.. I am sorry for any promises I made real or imagined. I will post when I can, and if that is not acceptable or of value, the hell with it.

Welcome to ESMB, John. That's the way it gets sometimes over here.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Stat]

Dear John,

I never met you, but I was following your posts (most of them) from the beginning of your journey here.

By the way, I joined this Board shortly after you did, not that it means anything, aside of the fact that we both are learning.

Whether I agree with you or believe in what you said - matters not and is not a subject of this post.

But what I do want you to know is that you seem to be very human (which can be a good thing, as far as I am concerned), in terms of having vulnerabilities, emotions, aspirations, dreams, abilities, achievements, love and respect for others around you, etc. You know what you have and what you are.

I would like to offer you my small set of advices in the most humble way - try to take things easy, don't take anything too personal, keep your mind open,
stick with what good and real. You probably know it all already, but I felt like telling you that. Because I want you to be and do well.

Just wanted to share that with you from my perspective. People do care about people they never met before.

You are likable being, keep spreading love and take care of yourself.

And let the magic flow in any way you can cause it.

Love and respect, Stat.

 

[lkwdblds]

Stat - You seem like an "up" Stat

Stat - Good to have you posting here. Based on your above post, you seem as if you are very "up" Stat.

NEWS FLASH - SCOOP, ALL APOLLO '73 READERS ARE IN FOR A TREAT!

I am meeting Blue and The Magic Thetan for lunch today. I am very excited! As always, when I get back to my computer later in the day. I will tell you "All the News that is Fit to Print". Of course, if TMT or Blue requests I not disclose something, I must honor that but otherwise, I will reveal what occurred at this luncheon.

Stat, I am going to check out your Title Page and so forth to see if you have revealed any of your personal history to date on ESMB. Is there anything you can say in this regard?
Lakey

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

A venue for you lot?

Stat - Good to have you posting here. Based on your above post, you seen as if you are very "up" Stat.

NEWS FLASH - SCOOP, ALL APOLLO '73 READERS ARE IN FOR A TREAT!

I am meeting Blue and The Magic Thetan for lunch today. I am very excited! As always, when I get back to my computer later in the day. I will tell you "All the News that is Fit to Print". Of course, if TMT or Blue requests I not disclose something, I must honor that but otherwise, I will reveal what occurred at this luncheon.

Stat, I am going to check out your Title Page and so forth to see if you have revealed any of your personal history to date on ESMB. Is there anything you can say in this regard?
Lakey

We await news of the event!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP-dbTvwrYs

EP

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Spirit
"Maybe he's waiting for more reach and demand ?

He has been very busy with multiple games, and can't spend all of his time on ESMB.

Posting his history is one thing,

while creating new and important

games that will benefit all of us (at least the ones with some havingness)

is of greater importance in my informed opinion.

There is some Great stuff on the way, besides the Chronicles. "


I was responding to what Blue wrote....he said something about maybe you were waiting for more reach and demand (see the above quote). And I wrote that post before I read your nice long post #4726.

OK - Understood. I make no promises. I will post when I can get to it, and I sincerely hop you will find my posts valuable and a least enjoyable. Best john

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Dear John,

I never met you, but I was following your posts (most of them) from the beginning of your journey here.

By the way, I joined this Board shortly after you did, not that it means anything, aside of the fact that we both are learning.

Whether I agree with you or believe in what you said - matters not and is not a subject of this post.

But what I do want you to know is that you seem to be very human (which can be a good thing, as far as I am concerned), in terms of having vulnerabilities, emotions, aspirations, dreams, abilities, achievements, love and respect for others around you, etc. You know what you have and what you are.

I would like to offer you my small set of advices in the most humble way - try to take things easy, don't take anything too personal, keep your mind open,
stick with what good and real. You probably know it all already, but I felt like telling you that. Because I want you to be and do well.

Just wanted to share that with you from my perspective. People do care about people they never met before.

You are likable being, keep spreading love and take care of yourself.

And let the magic flow in any way you can cause it.

Love and respect, Stat.

Thank your for the caring, advice, wisdom and reflecting back the things I teach others in an effort to learn myself. Best John

 

[lkwdblds]

This is too beautiful not to post!

I had a yearning to hear the oboe concerto by Mozart this morning since the melody of the second movement, the slow Adagio movement, popped up in my noggin. I went to youtube and found this incredible rendition.

There is a very large orchestra pit, but just a smallish intimate orchestral group. The camera shows only the first couple of rows of the audience and along with the small orchestra this makes for an extremely intimate setting in England, with the BBC Symphony Orchestra.

To me, this is a piece of "heaven" or "Nirvana" right here on Earth. A small orchestra, an inspired conductor and a super inspired oboe soloist playing for a small informal gathering in England. As the beauty of the piece begins to unfold, I tried to get inside of Mozart's mind to see how he could come up with such a perfect and heavenly piece of music.

What I am seeing is at least two separate things going on with him. First, a piece was needed for him to make money. He may have been asked for an oboe concerto but whatever, he needed to put food on the table and also he was hoping to further his image among the wealthy nobility of Vienna so as to get more commissions. Like many professional musicians, he had a bag of musical tricks to draw from. A theme came to him, he played around with it in his head, maybe went to a keyboard and fiddled with various variations of the theme and then formulated a plan of attack in his mind. He could have dashed up a competent but mediocre effort which would have pleased people and earned him his money but he almost never did that. He would give it the very best effort he was capable of - he took pride in his work and when his name was on the manuscript, he wanted the work to be anything but mediocre. As to where his inspiration came from or how he composed and transfered it to paper, I can not see that at all. That part appears to be totally screened off. I believe he knew how he did it but he wasn't revealing it to anyone else. As always with Mozart, there is no statement being made, except possibly in his operas, it is just music created only to be beautiful and aesthetically pleasing. With that I present the slow movement from his Oboe Concerto, written the summer of 1777 when Mozart was 21.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8N4n7sj7I&NR=1

Lakey

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Why I Channel

On the 9th of August 2010, (Post # 428 on my old thread) This is NOT ok, asked:

Question for the Magic Thetan:

Per your own Chronicle, you have been or are channelling L. Ron Hubbard.

[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="7"]Why?...[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Actually I don't believe in my chronicles that I said I was channeling Ron. I did say in the first chronicle that I had become a channel. I believe that [COLOR="Blue"]BLUE SPIRIT[/COLOR] talked about his experiences talking to the entity that had an incarnation as L Ron, and it was assumed that I was the psychic telephone he was talking through. Please correct me if I have that wrong, for I always seek to keep session activities strictly confidential.

Anyway, here is the answer to the [SIZE="7"][COLOR="Red"]why?[/COLOR][/SIZE] question that [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Blue"]This is NOT ok[/COLOR][/SIZE] asked, and data for anyone else who might be interested. As I am only posting on the Apollo thread now, I am answering it here, and if anyone wants to forward it to him, please do.

[SIZE="3"]I channel someone because someone asks me to do so.[/SIZE]

:):woohoo: In every channeling session that I have done so far, the data has been valuable to the person who asked me to Channel. Sometimes it has been of immense benefit to the person.

:melodramatic: The person is never required to believe that the channeling is real. It is just what it is to the person it is presented to.

:):aliengreeting: In a channel session delivered by Darryl Anka, I once asked the supposed alien who called himself Bashar. “How do I know that you are REALLY an alien form another planet?”

:spacecraft:He never did answer the question. What he said was, [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Magenta"]“On your planet you have a tradition - a tradition of evaluating the source of the data, rather than the value of the data itself. It matters not if I am who I say I am. If the data serves you use it. If it doesn’t don’t.”[/COLOR][/SIZE]

I thought is was good advice.

This is often why I say things in my Johnny Raff Chronicles that are not just my story. They are things I think might be of value to people relative to their ability to create the life they want. However, with regard to my sometimes attempts to give people something of value, I will take Bashar’s attitude. If the data serves you, use it. If it doesn’t, don’t. And I will also add, if you don’t want to believe something, don’t. If you don’t want to read something don’t. If channeling is bullshit to you, please enjoy the bullshit, and if I am bullshit to you also, please enjoy your bullshit version of me.

:):ghost:The story of how I became a Tensor channel in my eyes, and the eyes of some people, is a long one. (tensor channel - someone who can purely channel information from a non-physical entity without adding in any interpretations, additions or alterations. In essence, the person has developed the ability to use their body as a cellular telephone that can tune to, and receive information from a non-physical spirit, entity or group of entities.) 

:nooo: When I first started to channel, I often felt that I was full of bullshit. I also noticed that my idea that it might all be bullshit greatly interfered with my ability to find out if it was real or not.

:confused2: I asked Bashar if this stuff was real or just my wild and crazy imagination. He replied, “What’s the difference?”

At the time his reply wasn’t all that valuable to me. So I just plotted on, and I keep working to handle my invalidation of the subject in the hope that it would assist me to find out if this ability to telepathically tune into another was real or not.

I became proficient at channeling when I relaxed my need to prove to myself whether it was true or not.

:love11: Periodically, my beloved wife Carolyn would ask me to channel all sorts of people because it was FUN for the both of us.

:):flowers: She asked me to channel Bruce Lee, because she loved him. She asked me to channel Elvis, for the same reason. We channeled all lots of different ET’s and departed loved ones. We had great times, and we got a lot of information that was of valuable to us.

:megaphone:When I was invited to Japan to do a series of seminars and one-to-one sessions, I was often asked to channel someone through a translator. That was most unusual for me, but I lot of fun. In Japan it seemed like the people of that culture more readily accepted channeling as simply something that  certain people could do. They always seemed to benefit from it.

:pixiedust:Now, after many hours and years of doing it, I find some experiences totally amazing, for I find I can address a seemingly unlimited number of aspects of  a spiritual being or entity. Bashar puts it that a being is infinitely faceted crystal that can reflect back to you any aspect of their beingness that your belief system energizes, and will allow. So I can speak with past and future aspects of the being, as well as aspects that are far grander than the identity constructs they energized when there were being a personality in a particular incarnation. The feelings and the information that comes through at times is a pure delight, for as they permeate into my consciousness, they offer a much gander view of what it is all about. Often I seem to become much more than I “normally” am when I channel, much more than the identity construct I return to after a session. However, every time I do it, I am changed, and there seems to be more of me than there was before. I discover that I am a new me each time, a new me, that is forever discovering “The Many Me-s I can be“.

So that’s why I channel.

:happydance: Someone asks me to, and it is fun.

:):fly2:Also sometimes a magnitude of good feelings and love floods into the room, that enables us to bask in the glory of life as it was meant to be.

:):heartflower:Love,
The Magic Thetan

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

What's the system that had naming rights?

Standard Tech is something I didn't buy into.

It (the system) set forth programming a PC's case, doing FESes (folder error summaries) and includes OT levels 3 and a bunch of BT hunting bullshit.

I audit the person in front of me. By that I mean what he / she is sitting in this moment, what they want out of this session, not what some cookie cutter program says the "process for today is ___"

I would much rather give the PC what they, themselves want, than LRH's goals for them. I'd rather help someone be the tango dancer they want to be than the Sea Org reg they have the duty to be.

The famous story of Rock Hudson and the parking meter would not have happened with me. I'd have said, let's fix the meter, I'll meet you back here in ten minutes. BFD. The bureaucrat controlled programming of cases, C/Ses etc doesn't allow for contingencies.

These days I can find myself -- quite literally -- on a ski slope, on a beach, walking my dog downtown, cruising up the 10 from Santa Monica at 80mph while giving a session to someone thousands of miles away. I don't keep wrksheets, ARFs, use a meter, summary reports, etc.

My examiner is how the person is doing in life.

My sessions end in wins. My PCs don't get regged until they are broke and in deep water financially. They go off and live their lives.

Different system. No certs are awarded for auditing the person in front of you.

with a bow to B. Traven and Alfonso Bedoya, "Certs? We ain't got no certs. We don't need no certs. I don't have to show you any stinkin' certs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGcVhoHdRFo

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I don't see that as a real distinction. It strikes me that "endemic" in this sense is simply another way of saying "deeply underlying, thoroughly pervasive, and fundamental" case.


Mark A. Baker

Maybe so...you're a Tech guy and maybe that's the right view.

If I recall correctly, the definition of case is: The whole sum of passed by-passed charge.

My opinion still is El Ron’s penchant for stealing from, using and tricking others was not Hisself’s case…it’s what El Ron does natively, instinctively did.

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[The Magic Thetan]

Standard Tech is something I didn't buy into.

It (the system) set forth programming a PC's case, doing FESes (folder error summaries) and includes OT levels 3 and a bunch of BT hunting bullshit.

I audit the person in front of me. By that I mean what he / she is sitting in this moment, what they want out of this session, not what some cookie cutter program says the "process for today is ___"

I would much rather give the PC what they, themselves want, than LRH's goals for them. I'd rather help someone be the tango dancer they want to be than the Sea Org reg they have the duty to be.

The famous story of Rock Hudson and the parking meter would not have happened with me. I'd have said, let's fix the meter, I'll meet you back here in ten minutes. BFD. The bureaucrat controlled programming of cases, C/Ses etc doesn't allow for contingencies.

These days I can find myself -- quite literally -- on a ski slope, on a beach, walking my dog downtown, cruising up the 10 from Santa Monica at 80mph while giving a session to someone thousands of miles away. I don't keep wrksheets, ARFs, use a meter, summary reports, etc.

My examiner is how the person is doing in life.

My sessions end in wins. My PCs don't get regged until they are broke and in deep water financially. They go off and live their lives.

Different system. No certs are awarded for auditing the person in front of you.

with a bow to B. Traven and Alfonso Bedoya, "Certs? We ain't got no certs. We don't need no certs. I don't have to show you any stinkin' certs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGcVhoHdRFo

Beautiful!!!

This is the way I audit also. If the person feels good at the end of the session, it was a good session. If they feel great, it was a great session. And if they feel fantastic, it was a fantastic session.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

A Response to FoTi Post Number 4502 Page 451 - 7 August 2010
The Old Days Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Dear FoTi:

Thank you so much for your enjoyment of my posts, and for your desire to read them. That means the world to me, and I sincerely apologize for not making them all available to you. I don‘t want you to wait either. It actually pains me to think I have invited you to feel an absence of something you want. May I invite you to shift your attention to things that make you feel good, and then bask in the delicious anticipation of the wonderful things that will be there as time goes on. One of the lovely things I got out of reading “Ask and It Is Given by Esther and Jerry Hicks (The Teachings of Abraham) was the idea that desire was not the longing for something that was absent, but the delicious anticipation of what was to come.

In answer to your question, “Can’t you just post here the Chronicles you’ve already written”?

The answer is of course, yes I could, but for many reasons, I choose not to do that at this time.

If you care, here are my reasons:

1) I have a desire to be happy on an ongoing basis, and it appears that I have violated two rules for happy living that I feel are correct.

The two rules are in L Ron Hubbard’s book entitled “Scientology, A New Slant of Life” book. The article is entitled “TWO RULES FOR HAPPY LIVING”, and in my copy of the book, it begins on page 23. The rules he gives at the beginning of the article are:

1. Be able to experience anything.
2. Cause only those things which others can experience easily.

In posting my 1st Chronicle entitled "DISCOVERING THAT YOU ARE OT NOW", on the 28th of July 2010, I violated rule number 2, and I subsequently discovered that I was not able to comfortably experience some of the responses to that posting.

So I need to do some work on myself, and that is exactly what I am doing. I am working to increase my ability to be able to comfortably experience any responses as they occur.

In my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter-10, entitled “RESPONSE-ABILITY, I define RESPONSE-ABILITY as follows. “The ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD manner to anything that does or does not happen in your life.”

By that definition, I need to do more work developing my ability to respond in a FEEL GOOD way to whatever does or does not happen when I post something on ESMB.

The discovery of my less that feel good responses to some of my postings has also brought me to a few rather unpleasant discoveries:

1) I am not the Grade-0 Communications release that I thought I was. I am apparently not able to listen comfortably to what anyone has to say.

I also did not respond in a feel good, comfortable manner to some of the communications I received after my ESMB postings, so, in truth, I still have work to do to get to the point where I consistently respond positively to any communications I receive.

2) I am not flat on TR-0 Bullbate, for I still am somewhat reactive to invalidation, false accusations and ridicule. (For those unfamiliar with the term, TR-0 stands for Training Routine Number Zero. It is a routine that, among other things, enables you to practice being comfortable in front of another person.

TR-0 Bullbate, is where a coach originates all sorts of communications in an effort to make you uncomfortable. The idea is to give you an opportunity to practice, develop and increase your ability to be comfortable with anything. As you become more proficient, the coach hits you with some pretty nasty communications to see how well you have developed the ability to respond comfortably to these verbal and emotional attacks. If the coach is being true to the intent of the exercise, all of this “bull baiting” will bring you to the point where you are “Willing to experience anything” comfortably. Flat means that you no longer react in any “feel bad“ way.)

My discovery that I did not respond well to some of the responses to my Johnny Raff Chronicle Chapter -1, clearly indicated that I need to re-train, and re-do expanded Grade - 0 to a real world, chronically stable result. It also indicates that I need to increase my ability to comfortably perceive things, and I need to increase my ability and willingness to experience anything.

In alignment with that, by the power invested in me by me, I hereby cancel all of my certificates as an auditor, and I relinquish any status as an OT. (An Operating Thetan - an operational spiritual being who is completely cause over life.)

I also wish to relinquish my Avionics (Space electronics) engineering degree as I am not yet able to engineer my carpet into the air and I relinquish any claim to being a meta or quantum physicist for the same reason.

I do however retain the right to use this degree if I need to, for Carolyn’s three and a half year illness and death devastated our finances and put us into considerable debt. I realize that it is a bit unethical to claim I am an engineer when my engineering skills are not up to par, but I choose to justify this out of a survival need.

I also retain the right to use the OT and the Auditor Class symbols if I need to impress potential clients. I feel justified in doing this, for it appears that I do have the ability to process, train, audit and guide clients to more of the life they want, and less of the life they do not want. For over forty years, I have asked clients if the services they received from me were worth more than the time and money they invested. In forty years, I have only had one person say no, and I refunded their money.

I wish, as much as I am able, to go forth on the exact truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The labels and symbols can of course give a person a false or inaccurate picture of who and what you are, and what you are and are not able to do.

If you say you are a Class-VIII, or a Class XII Qual auditor, or an OT-VII, or an OT anything, people tend to assume that you have abilities that you may or may not actually have.

Over the years I worked with a lot of Dianetics and Scientology auditors from Class-0 to Class-XII. Many of them were also OT this or that, but it truth, they often didn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn’t.

Some, for instance, thought that the TR’s were abilities instead of the truth that they were Training Routines designed to assist one with the goal of orchestrating certain abilities into existence.

Some felt that “The 2D” was a label for the person they were having a romantic relationship with, rather than the fact that it is a symbol for our impulse to have sex and create a family.

So I hereby relinquish all of my titles, degrees and the symbols that I have attached to my name in the past.

Further, I wish to apologize to anyone who got a false, partially false or inaccurate picture of who and what I am based on the automatic assumption they may have made because of the symbols I associated with my name. (i.e. OT-VIII, Class VIII, Class-XII Qual auditor, Bachelor of Science engineer, Master of anything, PhD, or any other symbolic designation that my ego and I put next to my name in an effort to impress someone, or to get them to buy services from me based on the idea that I had a degree and therefore I must be a really able and capable guy.) I relinquish any claim to being an OT. I do have some specific abilities that are out of the ordinary, but I prefer to tell about them as part of the story I will delineate in my Johnny Raff Chronicles autobiography.

I have been diagnosed with prostrate cancer and Diabetes, and I have a number of physical ailments, aches and pains that I have not been able to chronically handle with any supposed OT (God-Like) ability. I have been apparently able to produce some healing miracles at times, but I have not been able to do so chronically. I have what others readily symbolize as “An addiction to sugar” especially my mother’s wonderful deserts. I have written a book called, “Health Food Make Me Sick”, and I work daily to use my “OT Powers” to cure myself despite the fact that it has not chronically worked. Thus I am guilty of the insanity of continuing do the same thing, or a similar thing, and expecting different results. Well sane, or insane, I will continue to work on developing a God-Like ability to cure myself, and as of this writing, I have no intention of ever giving up, despite any ridicule or logic that may come my way. I am open to finding workable ways to pull off my miracle healing ability.

I additionally wish to relinquish any claim of having any special relationship with anyone.

In the past, when people came to visit me, I sometimes showed them an album of pictures of me taken with various celebrities. These included, Jimmy Steward, Gil Gerand, Erik Estrada, Buddy Ebsen, Earl Holliman, Clayton Moore, (The original Lone Ranger), Gene Autry, Jane Seymour, Pia Zadora, Angie Dickinson, Lou Rawls, Dennis Weaver, “Iron Eyes” Cody, Stevie Wonder, Cesar Romero, Dee Wallace Stone, Jonathan Frakes from the crew of the TV series, "The Star Ship Enterprise - The Next Generation", Tony Dow, Rosanne, JoAnn Worley, Ernest Borgnine, Richard Farnsworth (One of the nicest guys one would ever hope to meet.), Richard Moll, Ed Asner, Edward James Olmos, Samuel L. Jackson, Tony Danza, Steve Allen, Doug McClure, Ned Beatty, Ed McMahon, Sammy Davis Jr., Harry (From Harry and the Henderson’s TV series) Pat Morita, Buzz Aldrin (the 2nd man to walk on the moon) Bob Hope, Tony Curtis, The Mission Impossible stars, Dennis O’Conner, Martha Ray, The Monkey’s, Grizzly Adams, Ned Beatty, Phyllis Diller, Little Richard, Mr. T, Debbie Reynolds and others. Hope you are impressed and you want to flow me some admiration, because that is what motivated my ego and I to show the pictures. Not that there is anything wrong with getting admiration. I feel one should get all one can get, but one should not need it, or need to solicit it, especially by attempting to get it by positioning yourself with some celebrities.

In the past, I spoke of my relationships with various celebrities. I told people that I had worked with President Gerald Ford in the creation of a television show honoring his many years of supporting The Boy Scouts of America. Well it’s true, I did do that with President Ford, but the point is, I told the story to get some altitude in the eyes of others, not to simply state something I had been proud to work on. I told people that I co-wrote and co-produced the television program Rebuilding America with Efrem Zimbalist Jr. to impress people, not to simply relate a bit of my resume. I told people of my associations with Walt Disney, Ward Kimball (who created Jimmy Cricket) and L Ron Hubbard. I did this, not simply to tell my story, but to get some admiration via my association with people who accomplished far more than I have. These people were some of my heroes and I wanted to accomplish as much as they did, but I stupidly tried to use them to get ahead instead of just getting ahead.

So I wish to cease doing any of that, and I wish to get back to the level of integrity I had back in the seventies when I was working in the field to see how much of Ron Hubbard’s stuff actually worked.

I had been working out of an apartment in Belmont California with a wonderful gal by the name of Audrey Hills. We had been assisting people to get rid of their unwanted conditions, including unwanted pains, emotions, sensations and attitudes when the phone rang.

'Is this John Rafanello?' the party on the line asked.

“Yes it is“, I replied.

'Well, you don't know me”, the voice began. “But I've got a friend who you don't know either".

“OK“, I responded suppressing an urge to laugh.

"But my friend has a friend who you do know, but I don't remember his name" the guy continued.

"Anyway, I hear you handle migraine headaches”.

‘Well“, I responded, “I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them any more”.

“Well, can you handle my migraine headaches?', the fellow asked.

“All I can tell you,“ I replied, “is that I have had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

“'Yeah, but can you handle my headaches?”, he repeated

“'In all honesty“, I said. “all I can tell you is that I had three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who now say they don't have them anymore“.

“Well what do you do?”, the man asked.

To that I presented a brief explanation of what I did. I explained that what I did was based on the works of L Ron Hubbard, and he replied by saying that he never heard of him.

“Well that’s what I do”, I told him.

To this he replied, “'Will it work on me?', and in the most gracious and friendly manner I could muster I replied, “I don't know. Hubbard claims that is will work on everybody, but I haven't worked with everybody, so I don't know.

:confused2:"All I can honestly and accurately tell you is that there are three people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more".

So the guy decided to do some auditing, and then I had four people who came to me who said they had migraine headaches who say they don't have them any more.

It is now quite apparent to me that I need some work in developing the abilities that an OT is supposed to have. Yes I had a lot of OT experiences, and yes I have some OT abilities, but I am far from being the OT I am supposed to be. So those of you who found it inconsistent that a real OT would not react negatively to some of the ridicule and invalidation I received on ESMB, I wish to say that it looks like you were one hundred percent totally correct.

:liar:So in conclusion, I now wish to represent myself only as someone working to become a true Grade-0 release, and an auditor that can comfortably respond to anything that does or does not happen on ESMB, or in life, in a FEEL GOOD way.

I will continue to represent myself as an auditor (one who can effectively assist others to vanish things they do not want, and make appear things they do), for I do seem to be able to do that in my estimation, and in the estimation of other people I have worked with. However, I will no longer claim to be a high classed auditor, a clear or an OT of any kind. I will no longer claim any special association with anyone.

Some of you may choose to consider I am being facetious and not sincere, and that is of course your right. I am however sincere about what I have said whether you choose to believe it or not. (And if your choose to negatively judge me for any of my choices, I will work to get comfortably able to experience that, and thank you for the opportunity to do so.)

Thank you all for your love and support that I have received.

I am learning, or at least I hope I am.

Who knows, one day I may even become the OT I dream of being.

Love

John Rafanello
The Magic Thetan

Very good post, TMT, your best yet IMO.

I wanna hear more sometime about your daddy...sounds like he was one helluva character.

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