The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[lkwdblds]

I corrected the post number, it is 5488

Lakey, Mate, you lost me with the above.

There's missing sequence, a wrong post number, and apparently comm between you and Raffo you refer to above that is not on this thread. (See the the part I highlight in blue, and also post #5561 is you ack'ing Purple; nothing to do with between you/Raffo/me) But no matter.

It's simple. I am making a specific tech comment on the issues you raised concerning the duplicating of another's condition versus duplicating their comm.

You see, the important thing that happens when a person communicates about something is that they are viewing it and, if needed, as-issing it. They are doing it . . . the listener doesn't have to do much except be present and receive and duplicate the comm.

It's also why solo-processing works. The person writes down in session onto the physical universe session notes paper what he is inspecting as-is while he is blowing it.

Re-read what it is of yours I commented on here:



It's your analysis as stated in this above that I am making a tech comment on. All the other stuff that went on, and what or which happened first etc., I have no clue about.

What is true, is that folks very often require someone to talk to, and to flow their communication to in order to be able to bring to view that which gets as-issed . . . but that is a whole other and different tech issue.

The routine human condition is that folks "sympathize" either believing it helps, or because they are in a condition such that they involuntarily suffer whatever those around them are suffering . . . but such sympathy isn't what is behind the action or phenomena of as-issing what the person is viewing. It as-isses because he is viewing it

Rog

The actual post number is #5488 not #5561. I found that out this morning but had to leave to make a dental appointment. I fixed it as soon as I got home.

The truth for me is that when I read someone's story. be it fiction or non=fiction, I read it as I always have, I track the story experiencing the emotions of the various characters. I am looking for entertainment and enlightenment. I do not concern myself much with what the author's state of case is or associate the book with mental or spiritual technology unless that is a subject within the story itself. I am very aware of the author's skill as an author and I form an estimate of his level of wisdom while reading him.

I read Johnny's book in this manner and after I was done, I realized he wanted comments from us and in order to comment intelligently, I had to duplicate what he was saying. I gave it my best shot in post #5488 (sorry for using the wrong number earlier).

Then Johnny thanked me for my response and wrote those 3 paragraphs indicating more of what he was going for. At that point, I went back and read the story again, really trying to duplicate the story as much as possible. In all honesty, I do not believe I engaged in any figure - figure since I was remaining exterior to the story and I was trying harder to duplicate only so I could give him the best possible meaningful reply.

I then replied in a heartfelt manner. In neither of my replies did I give him any sympathy. I did admit that I did not know the ins and outs technically and just mentioned what little tech I new about this area. I was secretely hoping that you would pick up on this and fill in the tech which you were kind enough to do.

Your technical analysis was spot on as a technical analysis but I see that is a separate matter. To me, you seemed to be reading things into my reply that were not there. I am going to continue reading stories and novels, both fiction and non fiction the way I always have, immersing myself in the story and reexperiencing the emotioins of the characters and the author. I am going to apply your fine technical analysis only in auditing or processing type of situations, If an author asks me to duplicate his story fully and give him my honest feedback, I will not be applying duplication tech to that situation. I am going to give my true personal opinion including any emotions that I experienced.

Lakey

 

[Hatshepsut]

How about trying to break the post up into sections and numbering them, but with the same title, so that we can follow them in the correct sequence in amongst all the other posts here.

There's an idea. But I'm usually not that wordy. This last time I was trying to quote big sections contained in Roger's longer submission 2 pages back. Too much for my smart phone.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

I hope others are also taking what TMT writes to heart. He said at the start that he would tell us ways to realise our own present OTness (words to that effect) and he has already done so in a few ways. I'm having great fun in my sessions doing what he suggests.

Last night I entered the ground under me and felt the geology of it all and the warmth and the shifting plates and all. And then I though I wanted to contact some other being whom I could have an intelligent interchange of comm with, then I suddenly remembered the line from Jonathan Livingston Seagull to the effect that the first step on any journey is to realise that one has already arrived, and I realised that I have been in comm with just such a being for many years already except that I usually shut my ears and don't listen.

So that is busy changing.

And there have been other events - I won't mention them all. But my thanks go to TMT for telling me the obvious. Dang! One day I'm going to realise something obvious all on my own without having to have someone else point it out to me.

Beautiful. Thanks for experiencing more of you. That is a beautiful contribution to us all

 

[The Magic Thetan]

I took a nap and woke up and reread this post to Johnny and found it very poorly written and have totally reworked it. It was difficult to use words to convey my thoughts but eventually, by re crafting and massaging the words, fine tuning them and so forth, I was able to express my thoughts effectively.

I feel that Johnny told the Carolyn story in great detail for a reason, perhaps a reason which he initially was not even consciously aware of before he wrote it and layed it out on this thread for us to read. I felt that it was really important to duplicate him as much as possible and give him a truly meaningful and hearfelt reply. I believe that such a reply will have very positive repercussions in several lives which are intertwined through Johnny telling his story in such great detail on our thread. My revised earlier post follows:

Johnny's Three Paragraphs - Paragraph 1 -

On the other hand, I create the idea and desire to have someone duplicate the extent of the misery I went through (And/or created). I want to give all the details, and get all the acknowledgment and duplication I feel I need to retire the desire to have anything to do with misery. Yet I "know" that focusing on crap is crap, and can lead to more crap. On the other hand, it can lead to the vanish-ment of carp when a loving being, or beings, who are able to compassionately duplicate the magnitude of the insanity and misery we create,do so. I remember Ron saying once. "If you think you can suffer now, wait until your OT."

Paragraph 2
So why do we create crap that we suffer from? And why do we then need or want someone exterior to us to see and acknowledge the magnitude of misery we created?

Paragraph 3

So in conclusion, I truly do desire to admire and retire the crap, and I love and admire your compassion and willingness to assist me to do so.

I have read through all of your posts including your most recent one, and I just want to once again express my appreciation to you for your duplication, compassion and ability to handle things so beautifully. I agree that you did not sympathize or figure figure. You simply did your best to be of value, and you were, and are. Thanks John

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Lakey,

This above and the following one referring to it . . . .

One can get pretty tangled up doing a lot of "think about" type stuff.

Duplication of another's communication is simple

The deal is, you duplicate his communication . . . you don't have to duplicate what he is communicating about. You can if you choose; but then you are getting into the realm of recreating it at your location/position in the scheme of things or otherwise attempting to be the other person and experience his experience versus allowing the originator to view his/her own experiential existence and to "admire and retire" what is unwanted.

All you have to do is be a terminal, a safe terminal, and duplicate the truth that the originator is viewing their unwanted experiences and revivifying them and as-issing them . . . it's in their universe that it is happening. That's what to duplicate, and the fact that they are changing their condition of existence in the manner they choose.

You don't have to experience or "duplicate" the original event that is theirs that they are communicating about . . . though you can if you choose to experience it as your own; for that would be "perfect duplication" . . . but then you'd have to duplicate it as them at their location Why?

Yes the culture has the saying "misery loves company" . . . but how aberrated or aberrating is that!

There's all sorts of levels at which one can relate to others and communicate with them . . . you simply have to span the range of the mood or reality scales to observe the different ways it can be done. At the very top, one can reach to another and fully perceive their condition, take full omni-responsibility for it, and have them experience as-is the condition and have it blown. (I posted some time ago on another thread my doing this with LRH vis a vis his stuck MWH's, also when I and others processed the victims of 9/11 to relieve them of their shock and "engram.")

But even at this level of comm and duplication, the truth being duplicated is that the experience is theirs, you don't have to suffer it too; though you can perfectly duplicate it at a knowingness/perception level, not at a suffering it level.

The mechanics behind all this is contained in the full and correct definition of "truth," some elements of which are correct who, ownership, location, event, where, when, mood, etc.

Raffo, I read all your posts and enjoyed them. I have it on my list of too many things to do to make comment.

Your and other posts of late on this thread has reminded me of a subject I researched back in the 1970's . . . on the issue of what I call "change-points." It's to do with the fact that change occurs in the game, either our change or from/by others.

The key to it is that these are occasions where one has to reconceptualize our futures to be as we choose our futures to be

These are occasions wherein, if we are wise, we do not hang up with (some inappropriate or misaligned or unworkable) aspects of the past being carried forward, but instead reconceptualize our futures to be in the condition we choose.

Rog

Thanks Rog. Just Thanks Love John

 

[Hatshepsut]

I have read through all of your posts including your most recent one, and I just want to once again express my appreciation to you for your duplication, compassion and ability to handle things so beautifully. I agree that you did not sympathize or figure figure. You simply did your best to be of value, and you were, and are. Thanks John

Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.
Mark Twain

 

[lkwdblds]

A last comment on Roger's comment to my Post

I spoke to Purple Haze just know on the phone and if you recall, she had posted a comment to Roger about his post being spot on. I took issue with her in the one respect that Roger's comments fully apply in an auditing session environment but did not necessarily apply in the situation which I was addressing.

Purple Haze said that since we were dealing with the topic of as-ising things that we were by definition in an auditing situation. She said that the phrase, "Life is now in session" applies, that all life is a session.

I guess, little ole Lakey is not about to go up against Roger and Class VIII Purple Haze on technical matters so I will defer to their point of view.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Golfer's swing sparks 25-acre California blaze

My parents moved us from L.A. to Fullerton in North Orange County in 1957 right after I graduated high school in L.A. (Hamilton High). Orange County was pretty sparsely populated, less than 1 millioin and was almost exclusively all white and very Christian. Republicans probably outnumbered Democrats at lear 70% ti 30%.

Disneyland opening in 1955 was probably the first crack in the folksy, white Christian society. At first all it did was bring in tons of visitors from out of state plus a lot of foreign visitors put many of the visitors from other states like it here are moved here and after a few years there was a perceivable difference.

I think the big breakthrough was when Fullerton was chosen to be the first state university in Orange County. The original name of the school was Orange County State College but it has morphed into being called California State University at Fullerton. To meet the criteria the state set for Fullerton to be home to such a school, the City of Fullerton had to meet certain standards of diversity. The presence of a Black population around Cal-State begin to be very perceptible. The athletic programs of Cal State Fullerton had many black athletes and Blacks immediately begin to populate Fullerton and the surrounding cities. The Blacks in Fullerton have never lived in any kind of ghetto but are randomly interspersed around all neighborhoods from lower middle class to super luxury. They have blended well into the community from their first appearance here in the 60's and there are really no black churches or clubs that I no of, Fullerton has always been race neutral, everyone is an equal citizen.

Large Asian communities started popping up here probably when Vienamese arrived from the Viet Nam war in cities such as Garden Grove. The hilsside and luxury areas of the Cities in the hills began to be around 1/2 Asian. Go to the University of California at Irvine, over half the people are Asian!

There always was a Mexican community here. It was not a ghetto but a bario. It was definitely lower middle class and mainly working class, blue collar and lower. That has changed now two. Latino's from many countries, not just Mexico abound and outnumber Whites in Northern Orange County and many of these people are upper middle class and upper class.

So where are the Whites, they moved down to South Country, near the beaches and San Diego County. Check out the city of Rancho Santa Margarita, it feels like you are in Denmark or Sweden. The same with many other South County Cities such as San Juan Capistrano, San Clemente, Dana Point, Lake Forest and places like that.

For the county as a whole so Diversified, the days of a solid Republican electorate are long gone.
Lakey

Tue Aug 31 12:44pm PDT

Golfer's swing sparks 25-acre California blaze
By Jay Busbee

Follow Jay Busbee on Twitter at @jaybusbee.

You can use a golf club for all kinds of non-golfy purposes -- walking stick, fishing rod, club, to name three. And now we can add to that list -- firestarter.

Over the weekend, a golfer's routine swing in the rough at the Shady Canyon Golf Course in Irvine, Calif., struck a rock. Not so different from the way you play, right? Only this time, the impact caused a spark, and the spark set off a blaze that eventually covered 25 acres, according to the Steven Buck, General Manager of Shady Canyon Golf Course, and required the efforts of 150 Orange County firefighters, writes the Associated Press.
Wow. And I felt bad the time I shanked a ball through the window of a house too close to the fairway. That was nothing compared to this!

The golfer's name is being withheld, which is probably for the best, and no charges are going to be filed. Fortunately, it all could have been much worse. As it was, the blaze required both helicopters and on-the-ground crews.
The conditions were ripe for a blaze, with dry brush from a recent heat wave just waiting for the right spark. Like, say, one caused by metal on rock.
And now, your turn. This is going to inspire a raft of bad Sportscenter-esque "When we say he set the course on fire, he really set the course on fire!" jokes. So let's get ahead of the curve. Best bad golf-and-fire-related pun in the comments wins a round of applause. Go!

Photo credit: Thanks to Zach Bates

 

[Hatshepsut]

My parents moved us from L.A. to Fullerton in North Orange County in 1957 right after I graduated high school in L.A. (Hamilton High). Orange County was pretty sparsely populated, less than 1 millioin and was almost exclusively all white and very Christian. Republicans probably outnumbered Democrats at lear 70% ti 30%.

Disneyland opening in 1955 was probably the first crack in the folksy, white Christian society. At first all it did was bring in tons of visitors from out of state plus a lot of foreign visitors put many of the visitors from other states like it here are moved here and after a few years there was a perceivable difference.

I think the big breakthrough was when Fullerton was chosen to be the first state university in Orange County. The original name of the school was Orange County State College but it has morphed into being called California State University at Fullerton. To meet the criteria the state set for Fullerton to be home to such a school, the City of Fullerton had to meet certain standards of diversity. The presence of a Black population around Cal-State begin to be very perceptible. The athletic programs of Cal State Fullerton had many black athletes and Blacks immediately begin to populate Fullerton and the surrounding cities. The Blacks in Fullerton have never lived in any kind of ghetto but are randomly interspersed around all neighborhoods from lower middle class to super luxury. They have blended well into the community from their first appearance here in the 60's and there are really no black churches or clubs that I no of, Fullerton has always been race neutral, everyone is an equal citizen.

Large Asian communities started popping up here probably when Vienamese arrived from the Viet Nam war in cities such as Garden Grove. The hilsside and luxury areas of the Cities in the hills began to be around 1/2 Asian. Go to the University of California at Irvine, over half the people are Asian!

There always was a Mexican community here. It was not a ghetto but a bario. It was definitely lower middle class and mainly working class, blue collar and lower. That has changed now two. Latino's from many countries, not just Mexico abound and outnumber Whites in Northern Orange County and many of these people are upper middle class and upper class.

So where are the Whites, they moved down to South Country, near the beaches and San Diego County. Check out the city of Rancho Santa Margarita, it feels like you are in Denmark or Sweden. The same with many other South County Cities such as San Juan Capistrano, San Clemente, Dana Point, Lake Forest and places like that.

For the county as a whole so Diversified, the days of a solid Republican electorate are long gone.
Lakey

My baby brother has lived in Lake Forest for 8 yrs now. He got a full time job training census crews this summer. Things have reversed their trend there.

 

[Hatshepsut]

CarmeloOrchards

Golfer's swing sparks 25-acre California blaze
By Jay Busbee

Follow Jay Busbee on Twitter at @jaybusbee.

You can use a golf club for all kinds of non-golfy purposes -- walking stick, fishing rod, club, to name three. And now we can add to that list -- firestarter.

Golf is a good walk spoiled.
Mark Twain

 

[lkwdblds]

A hit parade of phone calls tonight.

My phone has been ringing off the hook. So far tonight Gisela from Washington D.C., an ESMB member, then Edey from Kangen Water.

Joan the singing waitress from 33 years ago
I decided to call Joon Loosli Newton and got through to her, the former opera singing waitress of 32 years ago. Everything went well and we are setting up a reunion luncheon. Then out of the blue, Hector Carmona called me and while talking to him, Purple Haze returned an earlier call of mine. Then Gisela called again then Hector called again. What a night. I am exhausted.
Good night to all, Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

But wait, I was going to make espresso.

My phone has been ringing off the hook. So far tonight Gisela from Washington D.C., an ESMB member, then Edey from Kangen Water.

Joan the singing waitress from 33 years ago
I decided to call Joon Loosli Newton and got through to her, the former opera singing waitress of 32 years ago. Everything went well and we are setting up a reunion luncheon. Then out of the blue, Hector Carmona called me and while talking to him, Purple Haze returned an earlier call of mine. Then Gisela called again then Hector called again. What a night. I am exhausted.
Good night to all, Lakey

News of the Weird

Insurance company: Flowers started Ark. house fire

By TOM PARSONS, Associated Press Writer – Tue Aug 31, 10:03 pm ET
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – A fire that did $20,000 in damages to a northeast Arkansas home wasn't caused by an electrical problem or burning food or arson, an insurance investigator concluded.

Instead, the dead plants did it, according to a report summary provided to the homeowner, Brian Duncan.

"The fire was caused by self-heating through decomposition of organic materials contained within a plastic flowerpot," the Aug. 25 letter from State Farm Insurance Co. said.

Or, in layman's terms, spontaneous combustion.

Duncan, whose home is a few miles south of Paragould, said the flowerpot had contained dead, decomposing flowers and potting soil that his wife had planted in the summer of 2009. Paragould is about 150 miles northeast of Little Rock.

"She had intended on repotting (the flowers)," Duncan said. But they sat on the porch, unwatered, and eventually died.

He said it was clear where the July 25 fire had begun, because the burning flowerpot and plants charred a hole in the porch and they fell to the ground several feet below.

Still, Duncan said he was surprised at the conclusion contained in the letter. Duncan provided The Associated Press with a copy.

Fortunately, no one was injured in the blaze and Duncan's father-in-law was able to put it out with a garden hose even before firefighters from a nearby volunteer fire department arrived.

But it still caused some damage.

Duncan, 51, CEO of Craighead Electric Cooperative, said the blaze charred decking around the hole where the flowerpot had been, and caught the home's vinyl siding on fire. He said the heat broke a sidelight window next to the front door, and his air-conditioning system sucked in smoke from the fire.

"The house was full of smoke," he said.

The smoke damage inside the 15-year-old home, Duncan said, meant his family had to repaint the entire interior of the 2,200-square-foot home and replace the carpeting, in addition to replacing the vinyl siding on the front of the house and the wooden decking of the porch.

Duncan said that, since the fire, he had begun spreading the word about the potential fire hazards of dead plants.

A fire marshal in nearby Jonesboro, Jason Wills, said such an occurrence was rare.

"Spontaneous combustion is something where you have to have a lot of variables come together and it has to be just right," Wills told Jonesboro television station KAIT. "It's something that does happen, but this is the first one in our area that I'm aware of."

 

[Ted]

The Dalai Lama Says...

Dalai Lama: "To the extent that our experience of suffering reminds us of what everyone else also endures, it serves as a powerful inspiration to practice compassion and avoid causing others pain. And to the extent that suffering awakens our empathy and causes us to connect with others, it serves as the basis of compassion and love."


Beings who are fixed on the perception of self to the exclusion of another or others will have a bit of difficulty appreciating the above. In my youth I would have been one of those beings, or at least it would seem so when comparing my older self with my youthful self. The thing is, as life moves forward, my experience widens and my perceptions of suffering as well as success has widened far beyond my youthful imagination.

 

[RogerB]

I spoke to Purple Haze just know on the phone and if you recall, she had posted a comment to Roger about his post being spot on. I took issue with her in the one respect that Roger's comments fully apply in an auditing session environment but did not necessarily apply in the situation which I was addressing.

Purple Haze said that since we were dealing with the topic of as-ising things that we were by definition in an auditing situation. She said that the phrase, "Life is now in session" applies, that all life is a session.

I guess, little ole Lakey is not about to go up against Roger and Class VIII Purple Haze on technical matters so I will defer to their point of view.
Lakey

Lakey, my Sweet,

Alan once said, wrote and published something that is very correct. He wrote, "All of life is a process." (the emphasis here is mine)

The fact is, no matter what we are doing, however it is we are relating or dealing with life or people or things . . . it is a process (we are applying).

If you get it right, all things are fine.

If you screw it up . . . well, you then get what you don't want or don't want to have to experience.

As it happens, Purple is correct. The topic and point I was commenting on was not your reading approach or response to Raffo's missive, but only your later technical analysis of your handling of it in which you addressed the issues of duplication of various things involved, as here:

Comments on the 3rd paragraph highlighted in Blue. To duplicate, admire and retire negative data.....If the data is negative enough, it seems that using the assistance of others is an effective means for the originator to gain some relief from negative and harmful data. There is an old saying, one of those "everybody knows" sayings which though very crude may have some merit to it which may apply here. That saying is "Misery loves company". I do not know the full technical "why" explaining the efficacy of this bit of tech other than the point that "communication is a universal solvent.
OTHERS WHO ARE MORE EXTERIOIR TO THE SITUATION BEING WRITTTEN UP, MAY HAVE AN ABILITY TO AS-IS THINGS CONTAINED WITHIN THE WRITE UP BETTER THAN THE PERSON WHO DID THE WRITE UP. Thus the saying, "Misery loves company" may contain some truth and by putting one's negative data out before one's associates, ultimately one's ability to be able to duplicate, admire and retire his own negative data is significantly enhanced.

SUMMARY The duplication being done by associates who are much more exterior to the situatiion gives the originator of the situation some new viewpoints which are exterior to it as well and through these viewpoints the originator is able to achieve some additional ability to duplicate, admire and retire his negative data.

We each do what we do in the way we can, and one should never be invalidated for it nor feel made invalid because of it; as it is what it is, and it is as right and proper as one is at any point in time.

My only little thing on it is that I sought to pull apart the mechanics involved so you and my other friends here could have some extra aspects to chew on.

What I wrote may not be true for all It simply is so for me

R

 

[RogerB]

Hats,

I agree!

Golf is a good walk spoiled.
Mark Twain

Golf is a rotten game . . . my record is 23 hits and misses on one hole!

It was my last attempt at the stupid endeavor!

R

 

[lkwdblds]

A reply to Ted and some comments on being older.

Dalai Lama: "To the extent that our experience of suffering reminds us of what everyone else also endures, it serves as a powerful inspiration to practice compassion and avoid causing others pain. And to the extent that suffering awakens our empathy and causes us to connect with others, it serves as the basis of compassion and love."

Comments on Ted's post
Beings who are fixed on the perception of self to the exclusion of another or others will have a bit of difficulty appreciating the above. In my youth I would have been one of those beings, or at least it would seem so when comparing my older self with my youthful self. The thing is, as life moves forward, my experience widens and my perceptions of suffering as well as success has widened far beyond my youthful imagination.

Thanks Ted for your timely post. I really enjoyed the Dalai Lama's comments as relayed through you. Establishing a constructive purpose for suffering as is stated at the end of your first paragraph is really helpful.

Comments on still trying to define oneself at an age when many are just out there playing golf or taking it easy.

KEN - My friend from high school and junior high days, Ken, whose cousin got me into Scientology was telling me two days ago that it is amazing that my life is undergoing such changes at this point where I am well into my senior years. We were room mates in the dorm, Dystra Hall, at UCLA when I was a nerd, with a crew cut, glasses and a slide rule hanging from my belt studying engineering. He knows how shy I was and how introverted. He is greatly impressed that I have been able to redefine myself.

EDEY OF KANGEN WATER - Of all the weird things happening of late, what she is saying is one of the strangest. She tells me that I am her best friend though we just really got to know each other 5 or 6 weeks ago. I have been making 2D innuendos to her recently and she has not been receptive. I decided to bring the matter to a head with some straight talk. She says that she is looking for a 2D and I am not the guy. When I asked why, she said that there is no chemistry. I can accept that since I have dumped women who appeared to be right for me simply because they did not turn me on enough. I told her that I am going to cut back seeing her from 4 to 5 times a week to two times a week. She lives 20 miles away and I find it pointless to build a life around a business associate and spiritual soul mate who is looking for a 2D as I am but is not attracted to me.

Today, we are meeting in Torrance with Ken Rothschild so that she gets to meet Ken and vice versa and we are going to start Ken on Kangen water since he has a couple of health issues which Edey says the water will cure. Ergo, my two closest friends who were never in Scientology are meeting each other with me present at our luncheon today. Tomorrow, Joan is going to have lunch with me and Johnny if Johnny is available. To me this is a lot of living and randomity for a 2 day period!

Further comments from my talk with Edey last night. I asked her directly about this claim that I am her best friend. I said, "Surely, you must have some girl friends whom you have known for years whom you consider to be closer friends than me." SHE SAID THAT WAS NOT SO AND THAT LITERALLY, SHE CONSIDERS ME HER BEST FRIEND IN THE FULLEST SENSE OF THE WORD... PERIOD.

She says she was strongly intending for a soul mate to enter her life who could stabilize her and teach her wisdom in the areas in which she was not strong. This woman has hundreds and hundreds of active friends and is going to events and happenings every night of the week and her phone is ringing off the hook with a parade of friends always calling her. She says that when she invited me to the water meetings, she did not know that I was the answer to her postulate but when she found out I had a major spiritual componenet she immediately realized that I had been "sent" to be her soul mate. She says about me that I have so very much going for me but also there are some holes which need filling, areas where I am weak and that all these areas where I am weak, she is strong and knows all the "tech" and she realized early that we were meant to raise each other to higher levels together, mutually helping one another. She wants to be well off financially and have a 2D and pursue her spiritual interests as well.

She says that she will help me find my true 2 D and I will be thanking her that she turned me down as soon as I meet and get to know the right one. The areas which I still need to improve on are things such as vestiges of shyness and conservatism which still remain from my upbringing, a lack of style and panache, some parts of my comm cycle, cutting people off and talking too much about myself, reticence to sell someone something they need and on and on. Everything she mentioned I felt was correct. She is saying that she will meet her 2 D through me. She is saying that to her, turning 60 in October, she wants a 2 D badly but that her 2 D is not as important to her as her Soul Mate. She says that right now I am the most important person in her life over all these hundreds of other close friends. I told her that when she gets her 2D going, I will be put on the back burner and she vigorously insists that I won't.

There is some real pain in this for me. I find a woman around 60 who is sexy and attractive to me and we match up personality wise to a degree which I never thought was attainable and I am thinking that my 2 D is solved only to find out that she feels that there is no chemistry between us. With all the good things going on, this one outpoint is pouring some water on my party.

Here is a link to a video by Edey so you can see what she is like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5hYeeMR_Q

Well, she has a lot of presence and potential. She is looking to me as her main opinion leader and confidant. I can perhaps get her to learn some of the truths which I know. The original thought was to just do the Water thing to make some extra money and perhaps extend my body's life in the process. Then I added in having a 2D with her but that is now off the table. As is typical with most women, she is fairly set in her ways. She believes in past lives spiritual team mates and all that and believes we have been sould mates for many lifes on the back track. My gut instinct is that she is right!


Sorry for all the talk about self! I said that I would cut back on that, but to me this story is loaded with human interest of a general nature. I need to get some of that good loving duplication from y'all so I posted it
Lakey

 

[RogerB]

On Spotting What Is

I am way behind on the things I’d like to post.

Even the “Roger’s Journal” that I’ve been asked to start and post is awaiting attention. Probably my first in that series is now likely to be on my research into the subject of “change points” (in life and the games we have going) and on the importance and application of the tech of “reconceptualizing one’s future” because of such change points.

But something happened for me this morning that I thought would interest you all in the context of posts here in the last few days.

It is to do with sadness and the grieving on can experience when great loves are lost or, more exactly, when the physical relationship and game of a great loving union is lost.

Johnnie Raffo wrote of this here, and I concurrently had an email exchange on this subject from another great friend who had recently lost his great loving partner to death.

My friend is a class act. He is tech trained, and so his approach to dealing with the death of his partner was not a morbid one, but more in the vein of celebrating, remembering and honoring his love partner and the beautiful life they had created together. For it was a magical partnership in the realm of this physical universe.

My friend had sent me some photos of he and his wife as they’d progressed through life together. And it was a pure joy for me to see them in their youth and progress in life . . . then there was the final photo of them in their mature years.

It was absolutely beautiful, and I found myself experiencing a grief charge as I looked at the photo of this marvelous couple, the beauty of their partnership and co-creating survivalness, and realized that death had taken away a most beautiful part of that partnership.

This was Sunday morning, and I instantly wrote my friend on the tech point that it is now time to reconceptualize the future to have it be as he chose.

You’ve read a little on this the other day in one of my posts.

This morning while doing the presence process with my sweet Virginia, I became aware of my friend above and the loving union he has with his wife and I spotted the source of the grief I experienced when looking at that final photo of them in their mature years on Sunday.

On Sunday, I thought it might have been his grief I’d picked up, but this morning I realized it was his wife’s (though there may have been a mutuality of grief between them that I picked up).

I had not before thought to look that the departed love would be in grief at the loss of the loving partnership by dying. But there it was, and what a relief for me it was to be able to spot a correct source and help her also to reconceptualize her future.

I’m a happy camper now. It is a good feeling to have good tech and the ability to apply it.

Next I’ll tell you about my father’s death in 1960, and how my wonderful mother handled it.

RogerB

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

phone auditing

Having, myself, had a decent history of helping people find 2Ds.

For the last couple of nights I've been auditing the woman in my periodontist's office that cleans my teeth. She wants to be married to a respectful guy. there is a lot more than that, but I'm keeping this short.

She just ended a ten year courtship. Before that she had an abusive marriage.

I started by simply running out the breakup and earlier similars (father's death, etc).

I prepchecked the area of "domineering people" - the generalized term for several of the major players.

After enough of the baggage had been cleaned away, in each session, I got her to look at older visions, dreams, "taken for granteds", images of herself that she might want to change, upgrade, tweak.

We talked about guardian angels, spiritual teammates, or whatever she might characterize them as. We talked about visions being the software that the spiritual teammates use to help implement futures.

I ensured that she cleaned up and re educated her spiritual teammates on her newly refreshed visions. This also involves getting back into comm with her spiritual team and lots of itsa. Everything I do has lots of itsa.

Last night I started running the Power Processes on her. Power tends to wake up spiritual teammates on most anyone. That is partially why Power is so powerful. Quad power is even stronger, by far, than one flow power.

The game is to help the person get what they want. Handle what is sitting there. reformulate their visions.

 

[lkwdblds]

Totally cool, I am now onboard with you on this point!

Lakey, my Sweet,

Alan once said, wrote and published something that is very correct. He wrote, "All of life is a process." (the emphasis here is mine)

The fact is, no matter what we are doing, however it is we are relating or dealing with life or people or things . . . it is a process (we are applying).

If you get it right, all things are fine.

If you screw it up . . . well, you then get what you don't want or don't want to have to experience.

As it happens, Purple is correct. The topic and point I was commenting on was not your reading approach or response to Raffo's missive, but only your later technical analysis of your handling of it in which you addressed the issues of duplication of various things involved, as here:



We each do what we do in the way we can, and one should never be invalidated for it nor feel made invalid because of it; as it is what it is, and it is as right and proper as one is at any point in time.

My only little thing on it is that I sought to pull apart the mechanics involved so you and my other friends here could have some extra aspects to chew on.

What I wrote may not be true for all It simply is so for me

R

Thanks Roger, I am now on board with you on this point. Thanks for your patience and continuing to undercut your communication gradient until I finally got it. I treasure the fact that you always come foreward and give your technical expertise on matters. "The Apollo thread", Just think, if some historical document is needed, just mention it in passing and Veda will show up and supply it. If some some technical point needs clarification, just mention it in passing and voila! Roger will be here and explain it for you, usually within hours and will undercut the communication until the person understands it. What a valuable thing it is to have this type of help as near as one's keyboard! What fine beings are providing these services!! Let's start a new service, "WISDOM ON CALL" WOULD BE A GOOD NAME FOR IT.

Thanks again,
Lakey

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Dalai Lama: "To the extent that our experience of suffering reminds us of what everyone else also endures, it serves as a powerful inspiration to practice compassion and avoid causing others pain. And to the extent that suffering awakens our empathy and causes us to connect with others, it serves as the basis of compassion and love."


Beings who are fixed on the perception of self to the exclusion of another or others will have a bit of difficulty appreciating the above. In my youth I would have been one of those beings, or at least it would seem so when comparing my older self with my youthful self. The thing is, as life moves forward, my experience widens and my perceptions of suffering as well as success has widened far beyond my youthful imagination.

I like this, Ted. I like this a w-h-o-l-e b-u-n-c-h.

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