The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[CarmeloOrchards]

You're gonna get a lot of hits on that page as a reference ya know CO.

I think I downloaded it from Freezoneearth.org.

Lakey is in charge of monitoring the number of hits. My job is to let my mind wander.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vU7Qo-NlU

 

[lkwdblds]

Stats and the Power Processes

I think I downloaded it from Freezoneearth.org.

Lakey is in charge of monitoring the number of hits. My job is to let my mind wander.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vU7Qo-NlU

Okay, CO, you brought up the stats, we are about 141.200 hits and FCDC about 144,200 but we are gaining rapidly. We should overtake them soon. What's it all mean? Not much really, just an acknowledgement for two guys plus Sweetness and Light making a joint postulate which not only came to fruition but in fact far exceeded expectations. We wanted to crack the top 10 and are actually going to make #1. Setting a goal, exceeding it and being a participant in creating something of value and having it go into Power stats brings about a feeling of accomplishment, no more than that and no less either. We need to index this thread and edit it in to book form. There is so much good wisdom here as well as a lot of entertainment and world travelogues and great music, etc. I believe the fact that this thread exists is pertinent and the world is a better place because of it. Knowledge such as our panel has provided does not come cheaply. It is hard won and we all benefit from its existence semi condensed in one location. Cheers!!

Power Processing - I just ran some on myself, 1B of Power plus having to do with "What person have you known?"

I ran it for about 30 minutes and it changed my life for the better. I got into the area of a person who could do something I wanted to do but this person could do it better than me. On the "what have you not said" leg of the process, all hell broke loose. What I did say was, "Wonderful, wonderful, I enjoyed your work so much. It is so enriching and I am learning so much from it. It is a boon to society" What I did not say was, "You lucky fucker, you are so lucky to have received more talent than I did!' I am jealous of you but I can't say that so I have to play along that I am happy for you."

Yet despite that type of negative reaction occuring in me, in a way, I was happy for the person, he was raising the tone level of society through his talent and I could study his works and expand my knowledge and ability. I looked deeper and deeper into what was going on, achieving several undercuts. I recognized a push / pull internal struggle going on which is present in nearly every, if not every charged item a person has. In this instance I was ultimately conterintending my own self.

There is an ego driven impulse to be competitive, counterintending a God like impulse to encourage another person and grant them beingness and rejoice in their talents and contributions to the world. It seemed to me that in our original decisions "to be", we did not anticipate the existence of competitiveness, it just fell out of natural interactions between beings. Breaking off from "cause" we were not equipped as well in the art of being effect point and basically "winged it", just doing the best we could without really having any tech in the area. That is kind of the area which the process got me to look at and I found it very helpful to look there.
Lakey

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Well, it depends on which version of "GPM" and whose version of such. Hubbard released two versions, and each of which were processed differently at different times And, of course, others have released their versions of "GPMs".

So this is really a generality. And honestly it is not a subject I'd get into "debating."

It is true though, that folks will feel some change/relief/gain/whatever from addressing the notion of GPMs; and it is equally true that some folks will get very screwed up by addressing some versions of it.

My view of it is that it is an "almost" right item . . . "GPMs," no matter whose versions or which version of them, do contain some concepts that are common to we spiritual Beings.

And addressing such concepts will give a person some insights.

The error in the notion of "GPMs" is that "this is the issue that is dominating you, controlling you, and containing you . . . and when run you'll be free!"

That is a huge error and a mis-director away from the actual truth of the scene to be handled. But then, maybe that is why so many, as Hubbard did, dive off into this "solution to 'your' case."

The actual scene to be handled if one is to "make it all the way out," is rather horrifically charged. Which is why it gets avoided like hell with diversions like "GPMs."

The bottom line that has to be addressed and resolved if one is to recover the real you and its attendant or composite truths is the following.

One needs to address the wholeness of your true presence of Being, virtues and powers and the misuse of such. That is, the violations committed by their use by you and others, both on self and on others.

And part of the address to this or these basic truths is the address to the solutions one put in place to handle those violations and misuse of power.

Fiddling with "GPMs" is rather like rearranging the furniture in a prison cell and feeling freer and better because of it.

Rog

Good answer. Thanks!

I'm going to have to look at the implications of this for a bit. It suggests a possible realignment of priorities.


Mark A. Baker

 

[RogerB]

Rog, I am in agreement with you. Without getting caught up in semantics and a footnoted paper, here is some Wikipedia stuff re: administration and administrator.

In some organizational analyses, management is viewed as a subset of administration, specifically associated with the technical and mundane elements within an organization's operation.

Administrator (business), a person for the performance or management of administrative business operations.

Business administration consists of the performance or management of business operations and thus the making or implementing of major decisions. Administration can be defined as the universal process of organizing people and resources efficiently so as to direct activities toward common goals and objectives.

Thank you for your many fine recent posts...I learn so much from you and the other "techies" here...you folks help make my life better and better and there are many, many other members, and I'm certain lurkers as well, that would agree with me.

Face

Face,

I'll stick to tomahtoe . . . particularly those grown by my mate the organic farmer Keith Stewart (has a book out of the subject just now) . . . he is a Kiwi . . . and we like to tease the Yanks that we say tomahtoe because the flavor of his tomahtoes is so wonderful you just have to say: Ahhhh, now that's the real stuff! Tomaytoes just don't cut it!

Face, we're cool mate.

R

 

[FoTi]

based on the several things that you've posted over the last few days, may I humbly suggest that you find someone to run quad power on you. Ted is somewhere near your 'hood.

Grade Five:

POWER PROCESSES

Quad Flows
Note on use of PR PR 1-3: Power processes 1, 2, and 3 are corrective processes and are used when the PC is not running well on Pr Pr 4, 5, or 6.

PR PR 1

Run Pr Pr 1 when there is no TA action on Pr Pr 4 or when the PC is committing present time Overts. A continuing Overt case is committing Overts as a solution.

F1. 1. What has another done to you?
2. What problem was he/she trying to solve?
3. What hasn't another said to you?
4. What problem was he/she trying to solve?

F2. 1. What have you done to another?
2. What problem were you trying to solve?
3. What haven't you said to another?
4. What problem were you trying to solve?

F3. 1. What has another done to another or others?
2. What problem were they trying to solve?
3. What hasn't another said to another or others?
4. What problem were they trying to solve?

F0. 1. What have you done to yourself?
2. What problem were you trying to solve?
3. What haven't you said to yourself?
4. What problem were you trying to solve?

Each Flow run to EP.



PR PR 2

Pr Pr 2 is used when the PC brings up only opposites (Dichotomies) on Pr Pr 5 and is collapsed into his Bank by former practices.

"Give me some practices, opinions or belief systems you have been
connected to, whether you left them or not." Run reading items.

F1. 1. What condition have you encountered in/with ______________?
2. How have you handled it?

F2. 1. What condition has another encountered in/with ______________?
2. Now has he/she handled it?

F3. 1. What condition have others encountered in/with ______________?
2. How have they handled at?

F0. 1. What condition have you encountered with yourself because of ______?
2. How have you handled it?

Each Flow run to EP.


PR PR 3

Pr Pr 3 is used when the PC has been destroyed by auditing or the organization or for those overwhelmed by some self-improvement practice.

F1. 1. What condition have you encountered in _______?
(Scientology™ or auditing, clearing, 'self-improvement practice')?
2. How have you handled it?

F2. 1. What condition has another encountered in _______?
(Scientology™ or auditing, clearing, 'self-improvement practice')?
2. How has he/she handled it?

F3. 1. What condition have others encountered in ______?
(Scientology™ or auditing, clearing, 'self-improvement practice')?
2. How have they handled it?

F0. 1. What condition have you encountered in yourself because of ____?
(Scientology™ or auditing, clearing, 'self-improvement practice')
2. How have you handled it?

Each Flow run to EP.


PR PR 4

(Note: Run Pr Pr 1 when there is no TA action on Pr Pr 4 or when the PC is committing present time Overts. A continuing Overt case is committing Overts as a solution.)

F1. 1. Tell me a source.
2. Tell me about it.
3. Tell me a no-source.
4. Tell me about it.

F2. 1. Tell me a source for another.
2. Tell me about it.
3. Tell me a no-source for another.
4. Tell me about it.

F3. 1. Tell me a source for others.
2. Tell me about it.
3. Tell me a no-source for others.
4. Tell me about it.

F0. 1. Tell me about yourself as a source.
2. Tell me about it.
3. Tell me about yourself as a no-source.
4. Tell me about it.

The End Phenomena of each of these processes is that the colors in the room seem brighter and the walls more solid. Run to this point and F/N VGIs.

Hilton: This is run to an EP of recognition of sources with F/N and a brightening of the space. The EP isn't reached on the awareness that one is source. The EP is an ability to recognize sources.



PR PR 5

(Note: Pr Pr 2 is used when the PC brings up only opposites (Dichotomies) on Pr Pr 5 and is collapsed into his Bank by former practices.)

F1. 1. What is?
2. What isn't?

F2. 1. What is for another?
2. What isn't for another?

F3. 1. What is for others?
2. What isn't for others?

F0. 1. What is for yourself?
2. What isn't far yourself?

Run to a floating needle and 3 consecutive answers in present time. The PC should have cycled up and down the track before that. If PC gives Dichotomies (i.e. good-bad etc.), go immediately to Pr Pr 2.

Hilton: This is run to F/N and a shift into present time.


PR PR 6

F1. 1. Tell me an existing condition.
2. Tell me how you have handled it.

F2. 1. Tell me an existing condition for another.
2. Tell me how he/she has handled it.

F3. 1. Tell me an existing condition for others.
2. Tell me how they have handled it.

F0. 1. Tell me an existing condition in yourself.
2. Tell me how you have handled it.

Run to a revivification of the incident that the PC is dramatizing and F/N VGIs.

Hilton: This is run to a reviv of the incident that the person is stuck in followed by a stable shift into awareness of present time.


Grade Five A:

POWER PLUS PROCESSES

Quad Flows

1B (1A was cancelled).

L & N to first Blowdown Item: "What person have you known?"

Run terminal in following processes.

F1. 1. What has _________ done to you?
2. What problem was he/she trying to solve?
3. What hasn't __________ said to you?
4. What problem was he/she trying to solve?

F2. 1. What have you done to _________ ?
2. What problem were you trying to solve?
3. What haven't you said to ________ ?
4. What problem were you trying to solve?

F3. 1. What has __________ done to others?
2. What problem was he/she trying to solve?
3. What hasn't __________ said to others?
4. What problem was he/she trying to salve?

F3A. 1. What have others done to __________ ?
2. What problem were they trying to solve?
3. What haven't others said to ________ ?
4. What problem were they trying to solve?

F0. 1. What have you done to yourself because of _______?
2. What problem were you trying to solve?
3. What haven't you said to yourself because of __________?
4. What problem were you trying to solve?

Each Flow run to EP.


1C

L & N to first Blowdown Item: "What place have you known?"

Run the place found in the following processes.

F1. 1. What has another done to you in _________?
2. What problem was he/she trying to solve?
3. What hasn't another said to you in _________?
4. What problem was he/she trying to solve?

F2. 1. What have you done to another in _________?
2. What problem were you trying to solve?
3. What haven't you said to another in _________?
4. What problem were you trying to solve.

F3. 1. What has another done to another in _________?
2. What problem were they trying to solve?
3. What hasn't another said to others in _________?
4. What problem were they trying to solve?

F0. 1. What have you done to yourself in _________?
2. What problem were you trying to solve?
3. What haven't you said to yourself in _________?
4. What problem were you trying to solve?

Each Flow run to EP.

1D

L & N to first Blowdown Item:
"What subject would you like to know more about?"

Run the subject found in the same processes as given in 1C (places), Quad Flows.

Each Flow run to EP.



Procedure first published by Ron Hubbard. As it is a procedure it can't be copyrighted.

Thanks for this post, Carmelo. I always wondered what was on Power.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Facey, well done! Another masterpiece!

Thanks, Pal.

Face

 

[FoTi]

Well, it depends on which version of "GPM" and whose version of such. Hubbard released two versions, and each of which were processed differently at different times And, of course, others have released their versions of "GPMs".

So this is really a generality. And honestly it is not a subject I'd get into "debating."

It is true though, that folks will feel some change/relief/gain/whatever from addressing the notion of GPMs; and it is equally true that some folks will get very screwed up by addressing some versions of it.

My view of it is that it is an "almost" right item . . . "GPMs," no matter whose versions or which version of them, do contain some concepts that are common to we spiritual Beings.

And addressing such concepts will give a person some insights.

The error in the notion of "GPMs" is that "this is the issue that is dominating you, controlling you, and containing you . . . and when run you'll be free!"

That is a huge error and a mis-director away from the actual truth of the scene to be handled. But then, maybe that is why so many, as Hubbard did, dive off into this "solution to 'your' case."

The actual scene to be handled if one is to "make it all the way out," is rather horrifically charged. Which is why it gets avoided like hell with diversions like "GPMs."

The bottom line that has to be addressed and resolved if one is to recover the real you and its attendant or composite truths is the following.

One needs to address the wholeness of your true presence of Being, virtues and powers and the misuse of such. That is, the violations committed by their use by you and others, both on self and on others.

And part of the address to this or these basic truths is the address to the solutions one put in place to handle those violations and misuse of power.

Fiddling with "GPMs" is rather like rearranging the furniture in a prison cell and feeling freer and better because of it.

Rog

Does this boil down to ...... what was the problem and how did you solve it?

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

This little story is priceless Facey, I'm so glad you shared it!

Thanks for telling the truth here: "Givers do best with givers and takers do best with takers. A giver and a taker together can last for years but, ultimately, won’t make it. Sometimes both and other times one or the other, usually the taker, will have "had enough”. (I'm taking this advice to heart, Uncle Facey!!!)

Worthwhile women care more about how thought full you are than how full your portfolio is. They also detest "Macho", "Brag" and "Showboat" and adore "Masculine", "Confident" and "Comfortable in Own skin"."

Next lifetime I want YOU for my 2D! O.K. now, no threat to your ladyfriend, intended! Honey, thank you for sharing from your mondo "life experience". Don't frame it as loss or losing, frame it as "life experience"

Several of us have already called "dibs" on Carmelo for Daddy for our next lifetimes...he's gonna be busy and have a FULL house!

Ya never know, Sweet Stuff!:confused2:

We cool, Sis.

Here she is. 36 years as a professional dancer and choreographer, a "Certified Master Teacher of American Jazz Dance" and theater concert dance director and owns her own company, with over 300 students and "free standing" studio building with the exact same type floor that Baryshikov has in his studio. A real sassy, wacky and classy filly and I am smitten, smited and smoted and she says that I'm "the man of her dreams" (poor thing). And yep, that's a natural "Beauty Mark" on her left chin.

I'm the big guy on the right.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/album.php?albumid=75&pictureid=861

Face

Sorry folks...I'm a computer mumbnuts and can't get the picture to paste in but I think the link is working now...someone lemme know.

 

[FoTi]

I like you and your camels. It wasn't an invalidation. I think of power as a group of processes that help one align their wants and strengths, and find the kinks, allowing you to be more effective at being, getting, and doing what you want.

One of these days, I'll post a video of John McMaster doing power as a group co audit with newbies included. I find, that it runs well with just about everyone. It wakes up spiritual teammates, and gets one moving more so on their own path(s).

It is a little off beat recommending it on a general thread. Even in the good old days of the 60s and early 70s, I knew instances of botched power sessions at ASHO. It takes an auditor, who can really really grant full beingness. There are a lot of auditors out there, who can't audit their way out of a paper bag. In any auditing, find an auditor who can allow you to own the heights, the depths, and the breadth of your soul. Don't take someone, who has an agenda or a bridge that makes you secondary to their procedure(s).

Oh, yes, please do post the video of John McMaster doing power as a group co audit.

 

[FoTi]

:confused2:



Here she is. 36 years as a professional dancer, choreographer, "Certified Master Teacher of American Jazz Dance" and theater concert dance director. A real sassy and classy filly and I am smitten, smited and smoted and she says that I'm "the man of her dreams". And yep, that's a natural "Beauty Mark" on her left chin.

I'm the big guy on the right.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/album.php?albumid=75



Face

Face, check out your link here.....it doesn't lead to a picture of you or anyone else.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Face, check out your link here.....it doesn't lead to a picture of you or anyone else.

Sorry...it does when I clicked on it. I've redone it again so if it still isn't working I dunno what to do next.:confused2:

Oh well, "A man must know his limitations." Harry Callahan...Clint Eastwood.

Face

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Sorry...it does when I clicked on it. I've redone it again so if it still isn't working I dunno what to do next.:confused2:

Oh well, "A man must know his limitations." Harry Callahan...Clint Eastwood.

Face

reply to my post here.

in the top of the text area are all sorts of icons

starting on the left (reading left to right) there is a B for Bold, an I, a U with an underline, a bunch of text stuff, then a blue ball, something with an X through it, an envelope, then the yellow square with a mountain and sun.

Click on the mountain and sun square.

You will get a small window that says: Please enter the URL of your image:
paste in your photo's URL. It is this:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/album.php?albumid=75&pictureid=861

hit OK in the little window

The URL will appear with a

on the tail end.
Put your cursor after the [/IMG] and continue.

 

[FoTi]

Ya never know!:confused2:

We cool, Sis.

Here she is. 36 years as a professional dancer, choreographer, "Certified Master Teacher of American Jazz Dance" and theater concert dance director and owns her own company and "free standing" studio with the exact same type floor that Baryshikov has in his studio. A real sassy, wacky and classy filly and I am smitten, smited and smoted and she says that I'm "the man of her dreams" (poor thing). And yep, that's a natural "Beauty Mark" on her left chin.

I'm the big guy on the right.

She looks very young.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/album.php?albumid=75&pictureid=861

Face

Sorry folks...I'm a computer mumbnets and can't get the picture to paste in but I think the link is working now...someone lemme know.

It works now, Face. Wow! She's cute.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

reply to my post here.

in the top of the text area are all sorts of icons

starting on the left (reading left to right) there is a B for Bold, an I, a U with an underline, a bunch of text stuff, then a blue ball, something with an X through it, an envelope, then the yellow square with a mountain and sun.

Click on the mountain and sun square.

You will get a small window that says: Please enter the URL of your image:
paste in your photo's URL. It is this:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/album.php?albumid=75&pictureid=861

hit OK in the little window

The URL will appear with a

on the tail end.
Put your cursor after the [/IMG] and continue.

Thanks Carmelo.

Face

 

[Ted]

Ya never know!:confused2:

We cool, Sis.

Here she is. 36 years as a professional dancer, choreographer, "Certified Master Teacher of American Jazz Dance" and theater concert dance director and owns her own company and "free standing" studio with the exact same type floor that Baryshikov has in his studio. A real sassy, wacky and classy filly and I am smitten, smited and smoted and she says that I'm "the man of her dreams" (poor thing). And yep, that's a natural "Beauty Mark" on her left chin.

I'm the big guy on the right.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/album.php?albumid=75&pictureid=861

Face

Sorry folks...I'm a computer mumbnets and can't get the picture to paste in but I think the link is working now...someone lemme know.

Beautiful!

Time for a hat write-up.

 

[FoTi]

Something's wrong with the edit button. I can't edit my post. :confused2:

When I try to edit, it shows me that I've written more than actually shows up in the post.

The edit button works on this post, but not on the other one and I've tried it multiple times.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

It works now, Face. Wow! She's cute.

I agree...ain't she a P-E-A-C-H?! Thanks FoTi.

Face

 

[Ted]

Interesting talk with Norman Dodd, former Congressional investigator. It appears that hubbard wasn't so bat-shit crazy when it comes to his rants about communists, bankers, education, and third-party.

Over 50 minutes, but worth the listen.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/898.html

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

It works now, Face. Wow! She's cute.

She does look very young (without any FACS assistence)....from head to toe...and, more importantly, she is young at heart and spirit.

One of my nicknames for her is her current age, "Double Nickel" (55). I'm a couple of miles from Santa Monica on that famous highway to the West Coast out of Chicago.

For this old, high milage, banged up, scared up and too many times "rode hard and put up wet" cowpoke...so far so good. We've known each other for nearly 20 years (she taught my daughters) and had our first date 22 months ago. We both grew up "as Country as Dirt, Sweat and Dreams". We've been "Us, going forward together in this world" for 548 days. We're both "two time losers" but, like the Fools for Love we both are, energetically and hopefully pullin' the arm on the slot machine again.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Oh, yes, please do post the video of John McMaster doing power as a group co audit.

I'd really like to see this too, Carmelo.

Face