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Veda

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Having surveyed maybe 30 OT 3 comps in the FZ, the majority
don't take the xenu story literally.

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Not so. The majority do take it literally.

'RJ 67' is taken very seriously by Scientologists.

Scientologists literally regard "Incident 1" and "Incident 2" as specific "time, place, form, and event" on the "time track" (for self and "BTs").

I'm not going to address the other misrepresentations presented by you in an attempt to do PR-damage-control for "OT 3."

It's been covered before.

Xenu's SP Declare from the largest FZ group, Ron's Orgs: http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob20.htm

Briefing on "OT 3" from inside Scientology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=829Yj0hEFDc&feature=related

"OT 3" is one of the most lied about items in Scientology. It's not much different in FZ/Indie Scientology.

And the lying doesn't help people, and it's not a very nice thing to do.
 

Sock1

Patron
a bit more on the Price Tower

Yes, interesting. :yes:He said something to the effect that it was to be "a tree without a forrest.":coolwink:

Face:)

"The tree that escaped the crowded forest" ...escaped from the crowded forest of Manhattan, I've heard he was refering to. Also refers to the architecture... well rooted strong central core with cantilevered floors.

Mr. Wright also built a house for Harold Price Sr. in Arizona. While he was in
Bartlesville durring consruction of the Price Tower, he thought Harold Jr. and his wife Carolyn needed a house so he drew up "Hillside" and built it also while he was around. It's a little seen property. It's on a gated property and can't be seen from anywhere off the property.
 

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as Hats said, the FCDC night watchman had his clanger clapped or something. He apparently woke up. We are not going to have to fire a shot, they are sinking fast. Be careful we don't accidentally sail over their BTs, who might be drowning in the Potomac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1F5tfO0eBE

from the FCDC thread:
bogey at six o'clock and closing
Right Noxzema, I believe what I believe and you like tits. This is well established. Getting back to present time, The Flagship Appollo is now within 3000yds and closing. We need to get some dialogue going here. Hey TAJ! Wazzup? Winston. Yo! Hey! I've been out of touch. How's your son? Is he back? As I recall he was due for rotation somewhere in the current timeframe.

OK Mizzzzz Tictock. Oh errr...ummm... it's not a theory. It is also so far as I know not proven published verified and established scientific fact. I am an interested party here. I never went into great detail about it with you but as you know I had a radical spiritual contretemps back in 1975. Subsequent research has been very very fruitful but the insights gained all relate to ancilliary factors. The vile fulminous fulgurating heartmeat core of it remains mysterious. You and I were also in touch before during and after a second somewhat similar but very different occorence in 1980. I got roughed up pretty bad and lost everything but it was mostly absent the infernal daemonic dimension of 1975. Now what have you learned since then? Where does the term "Tulpa" derive? Is the word recently coined or does it date back to the Babylonian? Speak up. This is interesting material sure to get us hits on the thread. Good God Man, haven't you checked the stats lately?!? The Tulpa's Flagship thread is gaining on us!

Owwww..OOGAH! Owwww,,OOGAH!

Sound the General Quarters! All hands on deck! Man your battle stations!

Anyone got a filmclip of Pandora bellydancing?
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Actually that is not correct. :no:

The deal was made during the war between Constantine & Maxentius, circa 312. Constantine was seeking general support throughout the empire for assuming sole imperium. The early christian church offered him their political support in exchange for legal recognition & support of christianity throughout the empire. This was later cast by the church in the light of a "mystic vision" on the part of Constantine for purposes of spin & justification.

Constantine, an accomplished and very ambitious general, was also notorious as a manipulator & opportunist, skills at which he excelled. He was principally concerned with social stability in the empire, hence his desire to unify religous observances, both pagan as well as christian, as a means of minimizing areas of dissent.

He defeated Maxentius in 314 and subsequently legitimized christianity as a religion (Edict of Milan, circa 314).

His struggles for sole control of the empire went on for a decade. He finally achieved sole power as the Roman emperor in 324.

The Council at Nicaea occurred the following year, 325, after Constantine's accession to sole power. It constituted a restructuring of the church in order to take maximum advantage of their newly expanded political influence. Christianity now became the dominant officially recognized religion in the empire, although pagans were still officially tolerated by the government. The christian church became increasingly involved in the actual administration of government and used its influence to suppress others. Constantine supported this as he wanted to concentrate state power and eliminate potential sources of internal dissension.

Constantine died in 337. Christianity's OFFICIAL adoption as the sole legitimate state religion actually dates from after his reign.

His son and successor, Constans, subsequently outlawed the practice of pagan religions in 341, effectively making christianity the only legitimate religion in the state.

Julian, aka The Philosopher, aka The Apostate, Emperor of Rome, attempted to reverse the expansion of the christian church's state power by once more legitimizing non-christian religions in 361 and once more extending the practice of religious toleration. His reign was brief. He died suddenly and his attempted reforms were lost.

However, given all of the above, OFFICIALLY christianity became the sole state religion of the Roman Empire in the year 380. The fat lady sang in the form of a decree entitled De Fide Catolica by Emperor Theodosius I. By then the christian church had been dominating the administration of government for about 40 years. Theodosius not only specifically outlawed all forms of non-christian religion, he also outlawed all unorthodox or heretical christian practices.

Summary:

A. Constantine did his deal with the christian church circa 312.

B. First Council of Nicaea held in 325 to consolidate official christian doctrine as a part of Constantine's policy for enhancing political stability within the empire.

C. Christianity effectively made the state religion in 341 by Constantine's successors.

D. Christianity officially the state religion 380 by Theodosius I.


Mark A. Baker

I love good scholarship. Thanks Mark.

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a little something for the classical music fans

PERCEPTION

. . . Something To Think About . . .


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THE SITUATION

In Washington , DC , at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007, this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of them on their way to work. After about 3 minutes, a middle-aged man noticed that there was a musician playing. He slowed his pace and stopped for a few seconds, and then he hurried on to meet his schedule.


About 4 minutes later:

The violinist received his first dollar. A woman threw money in the hat and, without stopping, continued to walk.


At 6 minutes:
A young man leaned against the wall to listen to him, then looked at his watch and started to walk again.


At 10 minutes:
A 3-year old boy stopped, but his mother tugged him along hurriedly. The kid stopped to look at the violinist again, but the mother pushed hard and the child continued to walk, turning his head the whole time. This action was repeated by several other children, but every parent - without exception - forced their children to move on quickly.


At 45 minutes:
The musician played continuously. Only 6 people stopped and listened for a short while. About 20 gave money but continued to walk at their normal pace. The man collected a total of $32.

After 1 hour:
He finished playing and silence took over. No one noticed and no one applauded. There was no recognition at all.

No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, a grammy winning violinist. He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, with a violin worth $3.5 million dollars. Two days before, Joshua Bell sold-out a theatre in Boston where the seats averaged $100 each to sit and listen to him play the same music.


This is a true story. Joshua Bell, playing incognito in the D.C. Metro Station, was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception, taste and people's priorities.

This experiment raised several questions:

*In a common-place environment, at an inappropriate hour, do we perceive beauty?

*If so, do we stop to appreciate it?

*Do we recognize talent in an unexpected context?
 
The guys over on the other big thread are rallying up to protect their status against the Apollo thread. Anyone here really interested in depriving them of thier trophy? Should we make a go of it? Do we care...

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Master and Commander__boarding the Acheron


Why look, it's the FCDC thread, and the lights are off.

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Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Okay, I gave it some thought...

PERCEPTION

. . . Something To Think About . . .


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THE SITUATION

In Washington , DC , at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007, this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of them on their way to work. After about 3 minutes, a middle-aged man noticed that there was a musician playing. He slowed his pace and stopped for a few seconds, and then he hurried on to meet his schedule.


About 4 minutes later:

The violinist received his first dollar. A woman threw money in the hat and, without stopping, continued to walk.


At 6 minutes:
A young man leaned against the wall to listen to him, then looked at his watch and started to walk again.


At 10 minutes:
A 3-year old boy stopped, but his mother tugged him along hurriedly. The kid stopped to look at the violinist again, but the mother pushed hard and the child continued to walk, turning his head the whole time. This action was repeated by several other children, but every parent - without exception - forced their children to move on quickly.


At 45 minutes:
The musician played continuously. Only 6 people stopped and listened for a short while. About 20 gave money but continued to walk at their normal pace. The man collected a total of $32.

After 1 hour:
He finished playing and silence took over. No one noticed and no one applauded. There was no recognition at all.

No one knew this, but the violinist was Joshua Bell, a grammy winning violinist. He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, with a violin worth $3.5 million dollars. Two days before, Joshua Bell sold-out a theatre in Boston where the seats averaged $100 each to sit and listen to him play the same music.


This is a true story. Joshua Bell, playing incognito in the D.C. Metro Station, was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social experiment about perception, taste and people's priorities.

This experiment raised several questions:

*In a common-place environment, at an inappropriate hour, do we perceive beauty?

*If so, do we stop to appreciate it?

*Do we recognize talent in an unexpected context?



I almost always stop to smell the roses.

I also stop to listen to good street musicians.

I am one of the children passing through -- without a parent to pull me away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM&feature=PlayList&p=E9EF6C46630FFE91&index=0&playnext=1


I would not have stopped for long to hear this piece by Joshua Bell because I do not like it. It makes no connection to me. I like Beethoven and Mozart. I might have stopped briefly to see the guy himself to admire his stones for the public performance, or listen to the violin resonate, but not this music.

I think the $100 per seat standard was rather snooty. Was that to prove that the common man is unworthy as in throwing pearls before swine? Also, the choice of location doomed the experiment to failure. If people could catch a train every 5 minutes to their destination more would have stopped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOPu0_YWhw


Charlie Daniels would have pulled a better response.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnepPZChA5U
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
The Dancing Dog___
I just loved this. Being on a slow connection I finally got it to play all the way thru now that no one else is busy surfing.:p

That's Incredible :happydance:
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Ted
I almost always stop to smell the roses.

I also stop to listen to good street musicians.

I am one of the children passing through -- without a parent to pull me away

Regarding the violinist in the station___it reminded me of the ending of Prince of Tides where Streisand's son drops everything and starts playing in the Station. Nick Nolte who had been teaching him football and had to be careful of his hands is awe struck by the beauty of it. Several passers notice in their travels but then New York is very culture appreciative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycaj3gHOMQM
 
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I almost always stop to smell the roses.

I also stop to listen to good street musicians.

I am one of the children passing through -- without a parent to pull me away.

I would not have stopped for long to hear this piece by Joshua Bell because I do not like it. It makes no connection to me. I like Beethoven and Mozart. I might have stopped briefly to see the guy himself to admire his stones for the public performance, or listen to the violin resonate, but not this music.

I think the $100 per seat standard was rather snooty. Was that to prove that the common man is unworthy as in throwing pearls before swine? Also, the choice of location doomed the experiment to failure. If people could catch a train every 5 minutes to their destination more would have stopped.


Charlie Daniels would have pulled a better response.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnepPZChA5U

DAMNED STRAIGHT!

In the 70s, I had friends calling themselves "The Great American Entertainment Show" (Geoff Levin, Geoffrey Lewis, David Campbell) They used to play movie lines. They made good money that way. They morphed into "Celestial Navigations" This is them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WABl0GjflAs&feature=related
 
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