MINORS AND DISCONNECTION INFO WANTED

[Markus]

"I have seen plenty of disconnection. And I have ordered it on people (because I was a C/S and auditor), because that is LRH policy."


Well, that's very strange...because "handlings or disconnections" is competence
of the ethic dep. Actually, a C/S or an auditor cannot "order" or impose a
disconnection. It's against LRH policy.

you are so brainwashed. Look and start to wake up - Hubbard not even gave a damn about his own policies. There are hundreds of crazy contradictions in his writings and this contradictions are part of his trap and you are still deeply caught in this con, clearly not able to think for yourself.

I'm feeling so sorry for you.

Best
Markus

 

[Markus]

I believe that the subject of disconnection in SCN is widely misunderstood by critics of SCN.
First I need to state that wrongful disconnection cases may have happened, but that is not because of
SCN policy but only because of some few bad bullies inside scn organizations.
Fortunately they are very rare cases.
Second, the great majority of people who leave the SeaOrg or even SCN itself don’t have any
problems to be in contact with their friends or family’s members still inside the religion.
I left the SO some years ago and no one has disconnected from me, indeed, I’m still in comm.
with everyone I knew while in the SeaOrg.
Also I know many ex-scientologists friends who don’t wish to have nothing to do with SCN
anymore, again they still hung out with many of their SCNs friends.

That is the case with the vast majority of Scientologists-ex scientologists-ex SO members-etc...

Now let me clarify the small percentage (around 2-4 %) where the above didn’t happen to be the case.
As some of you may already know, disconnection happen only when an SP declare has been issued.
Now, it’s a standard LRH policy that before that happen, a great time it’s spent on HANDLING
the person who is eligible to be declared. His family’s scn members and friends are the ones who
will invest the majority of time in trying to avoid the disconnection. THEY LOVE HIM TOO.

All their long time invested efforts could be summarized by these few lines as:
“Dear, if you wish to leave the SO or SCN, you are free to do so, we will respect your decision
even if we don’t agree with it. We will still love you and still be in contact and visit you anytime.
…But please, you need to stop your suppressive actions against our religion and against our wishes,
Please. respect us as scientologists like we respect your decision to not be one anymore.”

Sadly for few “people-would-be-declared” all their friends efforts to avoid a disconnection
is taken as an invitation to do instead so (“the church is imposing you to disconnect from me!”)

Just watch this video to see an example of that:
It's on the section about disconnection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ckl9Gh1p8

My father has disconnected from me. He has disconnected from my sister too. My half brothers were forced to disconnect from me one of them is still a minor. My brother Uwe was imprisoned in the RPF. You are still a true Tech and Hubbard believer -this is very easy to see by reading your posts here - so why should anybody disconnect from you? May you please use your common sense and start to think for yourself again.

Best
Markus

 

[Type4_PTS]

There are hundreds of crazy contradictions in his writings and this contradictions are part of his trap and you are still deeply caught in this con, clearly not able to think for yourself.

Yep, I was just on Marty's blog a few minutes ago (where I seldom go) and was surprised that he said this earlier today:

"......you can find an LRH writing to support virtually anything, ANYTHING."

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/bbc-one-panorama-finally/#comment-49296

 

[Markus]

Family Values?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gity6XqICXQ

"Family Values?"

Right Sharone there are NO family Values in this criminal brain eating cult - KEINE, NADA, NIENTE
There are only the group values at first sight but if you look closer it is Hubbards crazy insane mindf... which is the only value for true believers in and arround this criminal organization.

Best
Markus

 

[Sharone Stainforth]

Markus,

I was being sarcastic.We, English, are like that sometimes.

Do you seriously think I think there are any family values in scientology?Maybe it was wrong of me to use sarcasm, but sometimes it's how I get by.I hope you would know by now I would never do anything to hurt you. I can only imagine how hard things have been for you.

Why do you think I keep coming back onto these message boards, seriously, even when sometimes I just wish it would all go away. Sometimes it drives me so crazy with frustration, you have no idea.

Believe me, I know all about disconnection, as do you.

Love,
Sharone

 

[Kookaburra]

Yep, I was just on Marty's blog a few minutes ago (where I seldom go) and was surprised that he said this earlier today:

"......you can find an LRH writing to support virtually anything, ANYTHING."

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/bbc-one-panorama-finally/#comment-49296

Perhaps Marty is starting to come around. Most of us were still Scientologists when we walked out of the CoS. The transition takes time and correct information and constant re-evaluation.

Water will penetrate rock, eventually.

 

[Zinjifar]

Perhaps Marty is starting to come around. Most of us were still Scientologists when we walked out of the CoS. The transition takes time and correct information and constant re-evaluation.

Water will penetrate rock, eventually.

Actions speak louder than words. Both speak louder than promises, evasions and lies.

Zinj

 

[Veda]

That's an old PR line/gimmick used to (temporarily) disown inconvenient or embarrassing or incriminating bits of Hubbard. Sometimes it's added that it (whatever it was) was "taken out of context."

It's not used as often as, "What?... You took thaaaaat seriously? LRH had a great sense of humor! You're soooo literal minded!!!! Ha ha ha," etc.

Much of Scientology's seemingly contradictory dogma can be understood in light of its overt/covert, publicized/secretive, multi-layered design. It's a sneaky subject, a sneaky "applied philosophy." http://exscn.net/content/view/178/105

Apparently, Marty is becoming more clever but not more honest.

Perhaps Marty is starting to come around. Most of us were still Scientologists when we walked out of the CoS. The transition takes time and correct information and constant re-evaluation.

Water will penetrate rock, eventually.

Marty's trying to disown Hubbard's instructions on filming people, etc.; and he's attempting to do so using an old PR gimmick. (See above for response to same quote in another thread, for what it's worth.) And how long ago did Marty leave Scientology? Five years?

Jeez, I just read some more. Marty is surrounded with sycophants. Ewww!

 

[Markus]

I knew you were sarcastic here ;-)

Markus,

I was being sarcastic.We, English, are like that sometimes.

Do you seriously think I think there are any family values in scientology?Maybe it was wrong of me to use sarcasm, but sometimes it's how I get by.I hope you would know by now I would never do anything to hurt you. I can only imagine how hard things have been for you.

Why do you think I keep coming back onto these message boards, seriously, even when sometimes I just wish it would all go away. Sometimes it drives me so crazy with frustration, you have no idea.

Believe me, I know all about disconnection, as do you.

Love,


Sharone

I Had no problem with your post at all - I just wanted to support you and your opinion that there are no family values at all is this so called "church".

Best
Markus

 

[Markus]

Perhaps Marty is starting to come around. Most of us were still Scientologists when we walked out of the CoS. The transition takes time and correct information and constant re-evaluation.

Water will penetrate rock, eventually.

I'm in direct mail contact with Marty and I have the feeling that he is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not sure but I think that there is a strong possibility that he is developing into the right direction. Maybe we will see soon

Best
Markus

 

[Lurker5]

I have noticed

I'm in direct mail contact with Marty and I have the feeling that he is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not sure but I think that there is a strong possibility that he is developing into the right direction. Maybe we will see soon

Best
Markus

I have noticed a subtle shift in him - or is that my wishful thinking?

I hope he is coming 'round, that it is not me just wishing something were true. Time will tell.

 

[Nicole]

The consequences of Scientology Disconnection Policy for children and their parents

Together with my English co-author, I wrote a little summary about the consequences that Disconnection could have on children.

http://kindseininscientology.wordpr...ection-policy-for-children-and-their-parents/

...Children feel that they are alone and become sad. This unsettling childhood experience sooner or later affects their confidence in the reliability of human relationships. One can only recommend again and again that parents going through a divorce should unfailingly give their strength and attention to their children and concentrate less on the circumstances and conditions of the divorce...

...We now come to the situation of those Scientology children who, because of the disconnection policy, have been separated from one or even both parents or from their siblings. You can see what serious consequences this must have for them...

...Scientologists have fundamentalist beliefs and are obliged to follow them. They are taught that they live in a strongly black-and-white world in which there is only good and evil, but the innermost feelings of disconnected children must be ambivalent, because they love their parents, like any other children. I believe this forced separation entails the same severe mental disorders, such as separation anxiety, relationship problems and attachment disorders, that one finds in the children of divorced parents....

...This puts children into a strong emotional trap. If they are involved in separation or divorce, they have the choice of staying with the Scientology parent or the SP. If the child stays with the Scientology parent he has sided with the organization against his SP parent. After every contact the child has to write knowledge reports (KRs) about a loving mother or father. The cult even sell a PTS/SP course to learn Scientologists how to deal with this situation.
The title of this course explains exactly what is to be found in it: „How to confront and smash oppression.“ This course is designed to identify those who specifically oppose a person’s effectiveness in the organization. And once they are identified, something must be done about them....

German
http://kindseininscientology.wordpr...onnection-policy-fur-kinder-und-deren-eltern/

 

[Illegal Alien]

It's sad and infuriating that the troll poops all over this thread. Illegal Alien is asking for help and this troll feels it's perfectly OK to derail it with spew and copy pasting. I'm sorry as I too am derailing this thread by responding to him - but it's gone too far.



http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=457628#post457628

A big thanks to everyone who tried to keep this thread on track.
I have a large amount of data and the tools to dig some more so thanks again.

I also want to say I am honored that some troll poops have tried to derail this thread and question me. In all my threads I have never had this happen before.

I wounder why on this thread??

It's most likely this subject of disconnection involving minors is a delicate point, in fact I know it is.

I don't know if these trolls are scio or osa staff but who cares.
In my view the fact that this is the first time any of my threads has been attacked, and questions raised about me, means I am on the right path here.

This may all end up just being a personal victory in my own personal situation but like they say "Rome was not conquered in a day"

My motivation is my kids and my love for them.

 

[Type4_PTS]

I have a large amount of data and the tools to dig some more so thanks again.

Sounds good!

IA, If you need further data or anything else from us please let us know.

 

[skollie]

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This may all end up just being a personal victory in my own personal situation but like they say "Rome was not conquered in a day"

My motivation is my kids and my love for them.

With all my heart I wish for reconnection with your kids.

 

[Zinjifar]

The solution to 'disconnection' is the dissolution of the organization mandating it. Nothing else will work effectively.

It's really fairly simple. Expose; Prosecute; Convict; execute.

Zinj

 

[Nicole]

A big thanks to everyone who tried to keep this thread on track.
I have a large amount of data and the tools to dig some more so thanks again.

I also want to say I am honored that some troll poops have tried to derail this thread and question me. In all my threads I have never had this happen before.

I wounder why on this thread??

It's most likely this subject of disconnection involving minors is a delicate point, in fact I know it is.

I don't know if these trolls are scio or osa staff but who cares.
In my view the fact that this is the first time any of my threads has been attacked, and questions raised about me, means I am on the right path here.

This may all end up just being a personal victory in my own personal situation but like they say "Rome was not conquered in a day"

My motivation is my kids and my love for them.

I could write more about the emotional damage (stress) and mental disorders of children and their parents. If you need it I will sign it with my name and as certified social pedagogue with all my references.

IA, If you need further data or anything else from us please let us know.

 

[Kookaburra]

A big thanks to everyone who tried to keep this thread on track.
I have a large amount of data and the tools to dig some more so thanks again.

I also want to say I am honored that some troll poops have tried to derail this thread and question me. In all my threads I have never had this happen before.

I wounder why on this thread??

It's most likely this subject of disconnection involving minors is a delicate point, in fact I know it is.

I don't know if these trolls are scio or osa staff but who cares.
In my view the fact that this is the first time any of my threads has been attacked, and questions raised about me, means I am on the right path here.

This may all end up just being a personal victory in my own personal situation but like they say "Rome was not conquered in a day"

My motivation is my kids and my love for them.

IA, it is indeed a hot topic. You have information that will help crush the evil cult that is ripping your family apart. You are on the right track. Keep going.

 

[Sign of Success]

Yeap, you are on the right track.
Keep going and your kids will be proud of you.

 

[Markus]

Yeap, you are on the right track.
Keep going and your kids will be proud of you.

Yes you poor suppressed soul - his children will be proud of him if they will wake up one day.

Best
Markus