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The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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YOu Were Right Hats . . . My Reply to it Vanished Too!
You were right Hats . . . my reply yesterday to CarmelO's post on the Help Brackets blew off into the ether too!
Posted by CarmelOrchards:
I snipped off all the "how to run it" stuff for brevity.
But something to know in terms of really blowing a case apart is this.
You can benefit immensely by running such processes "As a . . . " It's not in the old tech, but the advantage of it is that in running certain processes with you as the item, you actually run the charge that is attached to or on you and it does so very much "here and now." And it also recovers to you the abilities and powers you need to operate in the present while being whatever the item is you address.
AS an example for our Hats, one might run a help bracket on:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood . . . (here goes the rest of the questions)?"
You can also benefit mightily by running "Responsibility," and also Control and Know "as a . . ."
The commands are:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to be responsible for?"
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what would you rather not be responsible for?"
These run alternated one after the other.
ON Know and Control it would go:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to know? (or control)" etc.
Also, the "Dones/Restraints" (O/W) bracket can be done this way. (4 flows on Dones/Restrained)
Much colossal present time now gain is to be had by running this on any of the hats you wear, or any of the activities you want to be successful in.
The above is a Rogerism, but based on one of the actions in Alan's identity handling process.
The advantage of it is that running the "you" version of it is a little vague and general . . . though it does work. But running these processes as a specific Beingness or identity (and you can slug in here anything you are being) really pulls the shit out of the way of you being able to operate as you knowingly choose to be.
So, Lakey . . . . you're wanting to be a successful "stud?"
Try this, you'll like it
Rog
You were right Hats . . . my reply yesterday to CarmelO's post on the Help Brackets blew off into the ether too!
Posted by CarmelOrchards:
I snipped off all the "how to run it" stuff for brevity.
But something to know in terms of really blowing a case apart is this.
You can benefit immensely by running such processes "As a . . . " It's not in the old tech, but the advantage of it is that in running certain processes with you as the item, you actually run the charge that is attached to or on you and it does so very much "here and now." And it also recovers to you the abilities and powers you need to operate in the present while being whatever the item is you address.
AS an example for our Hats, one might run a help bracket on:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood . . . (here goes the rest of the questions)?"
You can also benefit mightily by running "Responsibility," and also Control and Know "as a . . ."
The commands are:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to be responsible for?"
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what would you rather not be responsible for?"
These run alternated one after the other.
ON Know and Control it would go:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to know? (or control)" etc.
Also, the "Dones/Restraints" (O/W) bracket can be done this way. (4 flows on Dones/Restrained)
Much colossal present time now gain is to be had by running this on any of the hats you wear, or any of the activities you want to be successful in.
The above is a Rogerism, but based on one of the actions in Alan's identity handling process.
The advantage of it is that running the "you" version of it is a little vague and general . . . though it does work. But running these processes as a specific Beingness or identity (and you can slug in here anything you are being) really pulls the shit out of the way of you being able to operate as you knowingly choose to be.
So, Lakey . . . . you're wanting to be a successful "stud?"
Try this, you'll like it Rog
dexter gelfand
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Very interesting!
Hey Roger, the idea of using those help brackets using those beingnesses to clear GPM's looks great to me, I see how this aligns with basic principles, including those you outlined at the 2009 FZ convention. Would you say there are any particular case prerequisites for running these?
Are there any case histories to share?
Love, Dex
Hey Roger, the idea of using those help brackets using those beingnesses to clear GPM's looks great to me, I see how this aligns with basic principles, including those you outlined at the 2009 FZ convention. Would you say there are any particular case prerequisites for running these?
Are there any case histories to share?
Love, Dex
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Who dat?
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You were right Hats . . . my reply yesterday to CarmelO's post on the Help Brackets blew off into the ether too!
Posted by CarmelOrchards:
I snipped off all the "how to run it" stuff for brevity.
But something to know in terms of really blowing a case apart is this.
You can benefit immensely by running such processes "As a . . . " It's not in the old tech, but the advantage of it is that in running certain processes with you as the item, you actually run the charge that is attached to or on you and it does so very much "here and now." And it also recovers to you the abilities and powers you need to operate in the present while being whatever the item is you address.
AS an example for our Hats, one might run a help bracket on:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood . . . (here goes the rest of the questions)?"
You can also benefit mightily by running "Responsibility," and also Control and Know "as a . . ."
The commands are:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to be responsible for?"
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what would you rather not be responsible for?"
These run alternated one after the other.
ON Know and Control it would go:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to know? (or control)" etc.
Also, the "Dones/Restraints" (O/W) bracket can be done this way. (4 flows on Dones/Restrained)
Much colossal present time now gain is to be had by running this on any of the hats you wear, or any of the activities you want to be successful in.
The above is a Rogerism, but based on one of the actions in Alan's identity handling process.
The advantage of it is that running the "you" version of it is a little vague and general . . . though it does work. But running these processes as a specific Beingness or identity (and you can slug in here anything you are being) really pulls the shit out of the way of you being able to operate as you knowingly choose to be.
So, Lakey . . . . you're wanting to be a successful "stud?"
Rog
Thanks Roger.
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That is a reply to Carmelo's vid on it being late and having to get home and possibly running out of gas. I thought it was seasonably correct as it is from The Shining. That's the little boy who runs in the snow thru the maze at the end to get away from 'possessed' daddy Jack Nicholson. In the picture you referenced he is wheeling thru vacant hotel hallways experiencing the effects of hauntings left over from 1920's murders..
REDRUM!!
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Dex,
Using the Help Brackets to "clear GPMs" is another's idea, not mine. The post on it was by CarmelOrchards.
Personally, I'm not big on the "GPM" thing . . . . and I've run all versions of them in my time.
The original own goal GPM stuff is fraught with danger, of course. In my view, it's an "almost right, but wrong enough to be dangerous" piece of tech.
And, while a lot of folks are big on addressing the putative implant GPM content, I am not. Alan's view, as is mine now, was that you only need to address the implant stuff if a case is bugged by such. And a correction list will pick that up if it is ever the case, and he developed a handling that addresses the exact thing or part of the exact "implant" to blow the hang-up or effect of the triggered, in restim implant content.
Personally, I don't see any merit in putting folks' attention on "implants" . . . it runs the risk of causing them to think that there's something there they're missing if they don't do the whole parade and it also puts them at effect of a "now I'm supposed to."
Better is to process on the line of the Being's own power and wants, prime dream and aspirations.
The old own goals GPMs was an attempt at this, but screwed up for various reasons . . . not the least of which was that we did not have the "Rules of Listing & Nulling" or correction lists when we did them. Listing for own goals/GPMs ceased in April, '63, and the correction lists were not released till July. '63.
Also, when we ran the own goal GPMs, we did not in fact handle the actual identity/Beingness items.
Trey was quite correct when he pointed out that those GPMs are composed of identities . . . they are not just simple items or "reliable items."
They are actual identities and complete Beingness you took on to play the game and to pursue the goal.
Hubbard never applied any identity handling, either erasure or optimization of them. At the time, he only "opposed them" . . . as I said in Pasadena, the drill was to get the "item" opposed; but this only released some of the surface charge and nulled the two opposed items so they sat there on the case no longer appearing to fire . . . but they sure as hell still existed and pushed the person around.
Alan did develop various gradients of approach to handling the "what you are being and dramatizing" levels of case and also the "what goal, dreams & aspirations case" you're hung up in.
And I propose to begin to write a Roger's Journal type thread where I'll deal with such tech issues along with the gross goofs that exist in Scn tech.
I've realized recently that there is a gross, terrible goof in Sc that is indeed one of its almost core principles. I'll not deal with it here as it does deserve/need a full and proper address so the issue can be properly understood, as I know it will shake up some cherished ideas for some
But it is the why behind why Alan says he ballooned to over 400 lbs weight and had terrible difficulty following certain Scn stuff. Interestingly, though, he did not get into and reveal the nature and extent of this tech error issue. That surprises me a little.Anyhow, to answer your question on: "are any particular case prerequisites for running these?"
Here's what I have observed as to case progress line-up
Newbies come in, and they are generally effect of things, got problems, upset, etc. So you handle what they are effect of!
Some rare newbies, got nothing they are particularly effect of . . . they just want to get better at doing, being or having something. Good, we have the tech for that too.
So it is at this level, when the client is free from the "what affects them" and when they are able to address empowering their wants, dreams and aspirations that you can begin to address his/her wants, goals for life and living, even Prime Dreams & Aspirations. And this is the key to it all . . . this is where the power of the Being is!!!! And it is also here that the aberration and screw-ups to/of the Being exist.
And it is here that you can introduce the gradients of the tech you are asking about.
You are processing now on the guy's/gal's wants and power lines . . . you pick up what he/she is Being in order to Do and accomplish what he/she wants to have and enjoy.
So, even at an intro and newbie level, this kind of R/D can be run.
Hell, imagine the mileage and gain from something like a mom who wants to be a better mom from running the help bracket and the responsibility, know and control processes on: "As a mother . . . . !"
As regards the "Holy Grail" of case handling . . . the handling and erasure of the Games Matrices? My judgment call is that it actually takes the client being very well educated so they can recognize what the hell is going on when it occurs as they process their case. It is not an issue of "case level" in my view, though obviously certain case progress and freedom from being effect and "motivatorish" and upset with life must have been attained.
The client needs to have experienced and have a true comprehension of the spectrum of the mood scale and also how we have declined through games as we progressed them.
And a key part of the client's progress is to have handled various key identities they have operated. Two reasons for this: one being the removal of current case/charge, the other being getting the client very familiar with identities, what they are, how they operate and how they can be erase or optimized. By "key identities" I mean this life and also possibly any long term whole track identities/Beingnesses the client has been hung up in.
You'll notice Bill Maier's write-up expresses the spectrum of identities in the terms as though they span a range of moods or attitudes. LRH's version of GPMs were putatively spanning such a spectrum also.
My personal observation is that this is a correct perception, but an erroneous conclusion.
What was perceived was a basic Beingness and identity assumed to pursue a Goal/Game that went through mood changes down to utter failure and worse. Some of the moods/attitudes might be heavy enough to need handling, but basically you are dealing with the identities the Being created and adopted to play the game . . . and that is what you want to handle . . . and handle fully.
Basically, as I said in Pasadena, for each Game (Matrix) there are four identities/Beingness locked up on each other in opposition. The two positive ones, and the two that the Being flipped into reverse polarity or vector with to become negative and oppose what he/she formerly was wanting/pursuing.
All else is simply variations of mood and attitude of these.
To unlock this matrix, one needs to run the full identity/Beingness handling on each identity/Beinginess and also run how each opposed/dominated and dones/restraints etc 4 flows by each each identity on each of the others. A lot of cross flow shit occurred in "building" these entrapping matrices.
To handle it, the client needs to be a very well grooved in PC . . . personally, I think it would be best done solo. But it can be done by auditor and PC as a team. And some will need that.
So, what's it take to bring a PC up to dealing with it
They would need to have had the ascension that takes them up to an experiential awareness of the truth of their spirituality. They would need to have "all Ruds" in in life. In Kn terms, they would have to have their 12 Vital Fundamentals in fully. (I might have to post that info later)
And, in my view, an absolutely vital accomplishment for anyone who wants to succeed at this, they should have had a full battery of objectives to full EP. Alan referred to these as the "God's processes." And he is correct in that. Objectives run correctly and to full EP put the client's awareness and their ability to SCS, and reach and make space etc., under their full knowing control. And that is a colossal state to be in.
And sadly, I don't know very many who really accomplished a full EP of objectives processing. But by observation, all our "powerhouses" in this tech game are folks who have benefited from a full R/D and EP on objectives. These are the processes where the PC uses and develops increase in spiritual powers.
Whew, I think I got the answer to your question in all of that
Basically, I'm not into the GPM thing 
I like to deal with the guy's own, real life 
Rog
lkwdblds
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Rick Nelson rules!
Rick is from my generation, we are born about 3 months apart, with me being older. I grew up with him on radio and TV shows and then when I was in the 11th grade at around age 16, he launched his Rock and Roll career which I closely followed.
We had some Rick Nelson tape cassettes in the minivan when my Son, born in 1982 was a little boy. My Son learned his tunes by heart and loved Rick along with Elvis. When my boy was only 3 years old, Rick died in his plane crash. Fortunately, with his talented show business family, his descendents have carried forward his legacy.
Lakey
Rick is from my generation, we are born about 3 months apart, with me being older. I grew up with him on radio and TV shows and then when I was in the 11th grade at around age 16, he launched his Rock and Roll career which I closely followed.
We had some Rick Nelson tape cassettes in the minivan when my Son, born in 1982 was a little boy. My Son learned his tunes by heart and loved Rick along with Elvis. When my boy was only 3 years old, Rick died in his plane crash. Fortunately, with his talented show business family, his descendents have carried forward his legacy.
Lakey
Hatshepsut
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You were right Hats . . . my reply yesterday to CarmelO's post on the Help Brackets blew off into the ether too!
Posted by CarmelOrchards:
I snipped off all the "how to run it" stuff for brevity.
But something to know in terms of really blowing a case apart is this.
You can benefit immensely by running such processes "As a . . . " It's not in the old tech, but the advantage of it is that in running certain processes with you as the item, you actually run the charge that is attached to or on you and it does so very much "here and now." And it also recovers to you the abilities and powers you need to operate in the present while being whatever the item is you address.
AS an example for our Hats, one might run a help bracket on:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood . . . (here goes the rest of the questions)?"
You can also benefit mightily by running "Responsibility," and also Control and Know "as a . . ."
The commands are:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to be responsible for?"
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what would you rather not be responsible for?"
These run alternated one after the other.
ON Know and Control it would go:
"As a good-looking, gorgeous piece of womanhood what are you willing to know? (or control)" etc.
Also, the "Dones/Restraints" (O/W) bracket can be done this way. (4 flows on Dones/Restrained)
Much colossal present time now gain is to be had by running this on any of the hats you wear, or any of the activities you want to be successful in.
The above is a Rogerism, but based on one of the actions in Alan's identity handling process.
The advantage of it is that running the "you" version of it is a little vague and general . . . though it does work. But running these processes as a specific Beingness or identity (and you can slug in here anything you are being) really pulls the shit out of the way of you being able to operate as you knowingly choose to be.
So, Lakey . . . . you're wanting to be a successful "stud?"
Rog
YOU ARE VERY FLATTERING TODAY ROG
EXCELLENT reply to Dex about the PC setups. I read it three times. The subject of Games Matrices is what interests me. Especially when you get up to where you are being ALL parts of it in connectivity to help all the other parts.
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MAB,
Here is an early pic of one of your favorite music men . . . . guess who he is in the pic.
It’s from tomorrow’s (Sunday) The New York Times, Book Review. The article is about a book by your man titled , Finishing the Hat.
Here's the link: : http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/b...eview by paul simon, finishing the hat&st=cse
R
Thanks for this. I was unaware of the book. Just added it to the "must read" list.
Gotta be the kid at the piano.
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Ring My Chimes! 
Stephen's first "solo" hit.
Rome, The Eternal City.
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Stephen's first "solo" hit.
...SNIP..
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MY CHIMES HAVE BEEN RINGING ALL EVENING
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Great costumes! Just got back from trick-or-treating with my youngest.
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MY CHIMES HAVE BEEN RINGING ALL EVENING
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last night for these until next year
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