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Hatshepsut

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Hat's, Ted and Rog...Really g-o-o-d s-t-u-f-f!:yes::yes:

Carmelo,

This is without doubt just about the finest post re: Scn I have ever read here or anywhere.:coolwink::coolwink::coolwink::coolwink::coolwink::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

Face:)

I agree that was a stellar post by Carmelo!!!!!! The Officer Krupke video from West Side Story was icing on the cake for me. :clap:
 

Ted

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Catching up, Ted and Hats.

These posts of yours on help as compared to support are rather brilliant.

[1] Ted, did you know that Alan has a Level of Existence on his "Zones" Scale noted as "Help & Support"? (It's dichotomy/negative expression being Destruction.)

[2] Trouble with we humans is that as/when we begin our processing adventure, even when we go define all the words, the words still "read" for us in the colloquial sense we have been used to using them in.

Hence these two key words tend not to be fully appreciated as to their full scope of meaning.

I like the scale you wrote with co-operate/ion at the top.

Of course the word co-operate has its colloquial, most often used meaning we all grew up with.

But if one breaks the word apart, and looks at the word "operate," and then the "co" meaning "together; joint; jointly; mutually:" . . . we can rise to a rather more huge comprehension of the importance of what you are writing.

It's way up there with states of Being and alignment such as co-create, co-exist, and such.

So, as you wrote in your post #8504:


[3] It might just be that "co-operate" is the very top, and that from there it only expands on to infinity without limit.

Rog



1) No. I did not know that. Most of what I know of Knowledgism I picked up years ago in discussions on a.c.t. where Alan participated a great deal. A small group of us had many enlightening exchanges, not agreeing all together, but certainly acknowledging certain points of common agreement regarding the spirit and processing.

2) True enough. If a pc/client will give it his all during the process, the definitions will expand as tone or mood rises. :thumbsup: For example: Co-operate to some might mean bending to another's will. And this is a form of co-operation, but it is much higher in mood, way more productive, and loads more fun to experience the healthy give and take of a mutually beneficial relationship. In baseball, a beautifully executed double play is such a relationship.

3) Yes. After I wrote that I realized that anything above co-operate might just be a no-game condition and, as such, unauditable even if defined.
 
Almost every roof in Florida, Arizona, Nevada, etc. could be covered with solar panels limited only by China's ability to produce them. [sarcasm]

This is an excellent idea, although not all that "cheap" by current standards of technology.


Sooner or later we will have to hear talk and see actions of greater organization or we will be having an unannounced, orchestrated population reduction. [not sarcasm] :omg:

This is an even better idea, although not at all "politically popular".

Neither of the above remarks are intended as even slightly "sarcastic", although this one does have a bit of a ..:stickpoke:.


Mark A. Baker
 
Here is an example of the war of the mind against Hitler in WWll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFta4iTZasM&feature=related

I've always admired the artful use of the "raspberry" tones combined with shadings of the klezmer music tradition in this particular creative work.


The Co$ does not need to be elevated as a big baddie. It needs to be spotted as a wimpy stunted little pit bull that didn't get a mother's love. Then someone, acting as a good parent should and will come along and set it in the corner, get it to 'fess up to its harmful acts, take responsibility for its actions, and go lead a positive productive existence. It doesn't have to be a bad kid. It might take decades, but its redemption as a group should be started.

I nominate you as the new head of the CST/RTC & SO. :p



Thanks for the taste of Sondheim/Bernstein. I'm inclined to favor this approach ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGWVyvol2Q

... courtesy of Rodgers & Hart.


Mark A. Baker
 

Ted

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I've always admired the artful use of the "raspberry" tones combined with shadings of the klezmer music tradition in this particular creative work.




I nominate you as the new head of the CST/RTC & SO. :p




Thanks for the taste of Sondheim/Bernstein. I'm inclined to favor this approach ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGWVyvol2Q

... courtesy of Rodgers & Hart.


Mark A. Baker


Rodgers & Hart you say?

How about Rodgers & Hammerstein?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhGF1YCgpyM&feature=related
 
Rodgers & Hart you say?

How about Rodgers & Hammerstein?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhGF1YCgpyM&feature=related

They did some marvelous work but I've long considered it to be one of tragic losses to musical theater that Lorenz Hart ended his colloborative efforts with Rodgers as a result of death. :bigcry:

He may not have been the dramatist that Hammerstein proved, but he had a fervent wit and a rare talent for choosing his words. Still, Oscar went on to coach The Master, hallowed be his name, and that is more than enough accomplishment for one life . :coolwink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIT42oLWoBI


... posted before but due an encore. :clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RqVtn355Jw


Mark A. Baker
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron


"So now two of the three creators of 'Fiddler on the Roof' have passed away within three weeks of each other," Ticktin said. "The world will remember him as a gentle human being with great talent who was a collaborator in musical theater. Jerry believed that the essence of musical theater was the collaboration -- working with your colleagues, trying to make a unified whole out of disparate parts."


Good example of co-operation.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Almost every roof in Florida, Arizona, Nevada, etc. could be covered with solar panels limited only by China's ability to produce them. [sarcasm] Sooner or later we will have to hear talk and see actions of greater organization or we will be having an unannounced, orchestrated population reduction. [not sarcasm] :omg:

And the people who love solar panels never consider the amount of pollution that would be generated by manufacturing hundreds of square miles of solar panels. Nor do they consider the pollution and expense involved in having to clean the solar panels (they don't work well when covered in dirt, bird crap, and leaves, and just spraying with water won't take the crap off).
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Actually, the best nuclear fuel is thorium . . . and it was the fuel of the very first commercial nuclear reactor producing electricity.

Problem is, the spent fuel is useless and relatively un-radioactive.

So, the US and its clever Dickies needing a source of fissionable materials for bomb making, killed the idea of thorium reactors and went with uranium . . . and the rest, as they say, is history.

You'd have thought these characters could learn from history and get back to the safe way of doing things??? :no::no: Stuck in a rut, it seems!

Rog

There actually is increasing talk of using thorium.
 
And the people who love solar panels never consider the amount of pollution that would be generated by manufacturing hundreds of square miles of solar panels. Nor do they consider the pollution and expense involved in having to clean the solar panels (they don't work well when covered in dirt, bird crap, and leaves, and just spraying with water won't take the crap off).

Nonsense. They most certainly do. It's part of why solar is not a "magic bullet" for clean energy.


Mark A. Baker
 
A Good Article ....

... dealing with the problems of international currency flows relating to the present environment.

A currency war has no winners


For the global economy to revive, countries need to co-operate rather than devalue their currencies

Joseph Stiglitz

It's easy to see why some policymakers hope favourable exchange rates could put America's economy back on track. Amid growing fears of a Japanese-style malaise, the other options are either off the table or likely to be ineffective. Political gridlock and soaring debt have stymied an effective second stimulus, and monetary policy has not reignited investment. But weakening the dollar to boost exports is a risky strategy – it could result in exchange rate volatility and protectionism; worse, it invites a response from competitors. In this fragile global economic environment, a currency war will make everybody a loser.

Fortunately, there's an alternative. Global co-operation based on growth-enhancing policies of structural reform, economic stimulus and long-term institutional changes in the global monetary system would be far more effective. ...

Link to entire article ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/nov/01/currency-war-no-winners


Mark A. Baker
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Nonsense. They most certainly do. It's part of why solar is not a "magic bullet" for clean energy.


Mark A. Baker

And wind power tends to slice-and-dice birds, besides the towers being unsightly.

Growing biofuels results in fertilizer runoff into streams.

Etc, etc.
 
Drinkie Poo!

The Ten Biggest American Cities That Are Running Out Of Water
Monday, November 1, 2010


By Charles B. Stockdale, Michael B. Sauter, Douglas A. McIntyre

Some parts of the United States have begun to run low on water. That is probably not much of a surprise to people who live in the arid parts of America that have had water shortages for decades or even centuries. No one who has been to the Badlands in South Dakota would expect to be able to grow crops there.

The water problem is worse than most people realize, particularly in several large cities which are occasionally low on water now and almost certainly face shortfalls in a few years. This is particularly true if the change in global weather patterns substantially alters rainfall amounts in some areas of the US.

24/7 Wall St. looked at an October 2010 report on water risk by environmental research and sustainability group Ceres. We also considered a comprehensive July 2010 report from the Natural Resources Defense Council, which mapped areas at high risk of water shortage conflict. 24/7 Wall St. also did its own analysis of water supply and consumption in America's largest cities, and focused on the thirty largest metropolitan areas. One goal was to identify potential conflicts in regions that might have disputed rights over large supplies of water and the battles that could arise from these disputes. And, 24/7 Wall St. examined geographic areas that have already been plagued by drought and water shortages off and on.

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The analysis allowed us to choose ten cities that are likely to face severe shortages in the relatively near-term future. Some of these are likely to be obvious to the reader. The area around Los Angeles was once too dry to sustain the population of a huge city. But infrastructure was built that allowed water to be pumped in from east of the region. Las Vegas had similar problems. It was part of a great desert until Lake Mead was created by the Hoover Dam built on the Colorado River.

Severe droughts that could affect large cities are first a human problem. The competition for water could make life in some of America's largest cities nearly unbearable for residents. A number of industries rely on regular access to water. Some people would be out of work if these industries had poor prospects for continued operation. The other important trouble that very low water supplies creates is that cities have sold bonds based on their needs for infrastructure to move, clean and supply water. Credit ratings agencies may not have taken drought issues into account at the level that they should. Extreme disruptions of the water supply of any city would have severe financial consequences.

The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) report takes the following into account when assessing the likelihood of water shortages: "The risk to water sustainability is based on the following criteria: (1) projected water demand as a share of available precipitation; (2) groundwater use as a share of projected available precipitation; (3) susceptibility to drought; (4) projected increase in freshwater withdrawals; and (5) projected increase in summer water deficit."

The ten cities on this list are the ones with the most acute exposure to problems that could cause large imbalances of water supply and demand. There are a number of metropolitan areas that could face similar problems but their risks are not quite as high. The water problem for U.S. cities is, although it may not be evident, one of the largest issues that faces urban areas over the next ten years.

These are the ten largest cities by population that have the greatest chance of running out of water.

10. Orlando, Fla.

Major Water Supply: Floridan Aquifer
Population (U.S. rank): 235,860 (80th)
Population Growth Rate: 26.8% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 48.35 in.

North-central Florida, especially Orange County where Orlando is located, has experienced frequent droughts in the last decade. As a consequence, the area has implemented extreme conservation measures, including aggressive water-rationing policies and lawn-watering bans. After the drought and resulting wildfires subsided, however, Orlando faced another problem. As of 2013, Orlando will no longer be able to increase the rate at which it uses water from the Floridan aquifer, the city's main source of fresh water supply. This presents a major problem for city officials: how does the limited water supply continue to meet demand for one of the fastest-growing regions in the state? It is estimated that water usage in the Orlando area will increase from 526 million gallons per day in 1995 to 866 million in 2020. On the city website, the mayor is quoted, saying: "Orlando Utilities Commission water usage trends show Orlando water demand exceeding the supply by approximately 2014 if no action is taken." There are plans in the works to tap the St. John's River for irrigation, and eventually drinking water. Many, however, are skeptical that even this will be enough to meet Orlando's growing demand.

9. Atlanta

Major Water Supply: Lake Lanier, Ga.
Population (U.S. rank): 540,922 (33rd)
Population Growth Rate: 29.9% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 50.2 in.

Between 2007 and 2008, the Southeast experienced a major drought, which depleted the region's major water supplies. No city in the south suffered more than Atlanta, the second-fastest-growing metropolitan area in the last eight years. The crisis began when the Army Corps of Engineers released more than 20 billion gallons of water from Lake Lanier, the city's primary source of water. Continued poor rainfall brought the lake to its lowest recorded levels. At one point, city officials reported there was only three months left of stored fresh water to supply Atlanta. The drought eventually subsided and consistent rain returned the lake to less dangerous levels. However, Atlanta may continue to be at risk, as the lake is the site of an ongoing legal conflict between Georgia, Alabama and Florida, all of which rely on the reservoir for fresh water. Last year, a federal judge declared Atlanta's withdrawals from the lake illegal, and if the ruling stands, the city will lose roughly 40% of its water supply by 2012.

8. Tucson, Ariz.

Major Water Supply: Local ground water
Population (U.S. rank): 543,000 (32nd)
Population Growth Rate: 20% since 2000
Average Annual Rainfall: 12.17 in.

The NRDC study rates Pima County, Ariz., where Tuscon is located, as an area with extreme risk of water shortage. The city is in the Sonoran Desert, an extremely arid region that receives less than 12 inches of rainfall each year. Currently, the Tucson region uses about 350,000 acre-feet of water per year. At this rate, Tucson's groundwater supply, which now provides the majority of the city's water, has a very limited life span. In addition to this, the city is currently bringing in 314,000 acre-feet per year from the Colorado River under the Central Arizona Project. However, Tuscon is growing rapidly. This, combined with the political uncertainty of the Central Arizona Project allocation, places Tucson at extreme risk for future water shortages.

7. Las Vegas

Major Water Supply: Lake Mead/Colorado River
Population (U.S. rank): 567,000 (28th)
Population Growth Rate: 18.6% since 2000
Average Annual Rainfall: 4.5 in.

In the middle of the Mojave Desert, with an annual precipitation rate of only 10 cm, Las Vegas must rely on distant sources for its fresh water. The city's main source is Lake Mead, which supplies 85% of the water used in the Las Vegas Valley. Unfortunately, the lake is 59% empty and is approaching its first water shortage ever. In addition to Las Vegas, it would affect other areas of Nevada and Arizona. Moreover, it could potentially stop the Hoover Dam from producing electricity -- as soon as 2013. This would affect many big California cities that receive hydroelectric power through the dam.

6. Fort Worth, Texas

Major Water Supply: Multiple
Population (U.S. rank): 727,577 (17th)
Population Growth Rate: 36.1% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 34.01 inches

As Fort Worth continues to grow (its population is expected to hit 4.3 million by 2060), the amount of water demand has continued to exceed the amount of water available through local supply. As a result, the city, which is in Tarrant County, must rely on storage water, making the system much more exposed to the worst effects of prolonged drought. To remedy this problem, the Tarrant Regional Water District is trying to bring in more water from Oklahoma's Red River. Oklahoma, wishing to preserve its water sources, limits interstate water sales. Fort Worth has countered with a lawsuit, which is pending in the U.S. Court of Appeals.

5. San Francisco Bay Area

Major Water Supply: Various, including Lake Hetch Hetchy
Population (U.S. rank): San Francisco: 815,359 (12th), Oakland: 409,189 (44th), San Jose: 964,695 (10th)
Population Growth Rate: 20% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 20.4 in.

Much like the Southeast in the early 2000's, California has experienced intermittent droughts that have brought the area's water supply to the brink of disaster. After several years of drought between 2005 and 2007, the Bay Area, which represents more than 3.7 million people, was forced to adopt aggressive water usage restrictions. Legal battles ensued between San Fransisco area legislators and those in the Sacramento delta who believed they deserved Bay Area water from major sources, like Lake Hetch Hetchy. According to the NRDC and Ceres studies, the San Fransisco Bay Area, including adjacent cities San Jose and Oakland, are "very likely" to experience a severe crisis as a result of water shortage within the next 50 years.

4. San Antonio, Texas

Major Water Supply: Various ground water sources
Population (U.S. rank): 1,373,668 (7th)
Population Growth Rate: 20% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 30.24 in.

Bexar County, Texas, where San Antonio is located, possesses the highest rating given by the Natural Resources Defense Council with regards to water sustainability. This means that the area is at extremely high risk for water demand exceeding supply by 2050 if no major systematic changes are made. As most surface water from lakes and rivers in Texas have already been claimed by varying districts across Texas, most counties are now looking at groundwater to meet future demand. San Antonio has attempted to secure water from a number of Texas groundwater conservation districts. Due to legal obstacles, this has proven to be difficult. Today, many experts, including members of the Texas Water Development Board, recommend undertaking a major project to ensure future sustainability, such as a desalination plant on the Gulf Coast.

3. Phoenix

Major Water Supply: Colorado River Basin
Population (U.S. rank): 1,593,659 (5th)
Population Growth Rate: 21.2% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 8.3 in.

Like many of the other western cities on this list, Phoenix is extremely dependent on water imported from the Colorado River. This is because nearly half of the water the city's residents use comes from this significant source. As the Colorado River Basin enters the eleventh year of its drought, the city's reliance on the river may soon become a serious problem. If the drought continues, water deliveries to Arizona could potentially be cut back. To keep up a sufficient water supply, Phoenix is adopting an aggressive campaign to recycle water, replenish groundwater and try to dissuade over-consumption. Time will tell if it these measures will be enough.

2. Houston

Major Water Supply: Jasper Aquifer, Lake Houston, Lake Conroe
Population (U.S. rank): 2,257,926 (4th)
Population Growth Rate: 15.6% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 53.34 inches

Throughout most of its history, the city of Houston primarily drew water from the Jasper Aquifer, located along the southeastern coast of Texas. Over the last 30 years, the city began to suffer from dramatic rises in sea level of nearly an inch a year. Geologists eventually realized that the cause was Houston's withdrawal of fresh water from the aquifer located under the city. This discovery forced city officials to use nearby Lake Houston and Lake Conroe for municipal water instead of the aquifer. Since 2000, Houston has been the fifth fastest-growing city in the country, and its presence in an area with high drought likelihood makes it an immediate risk for serious water shortages.

1. Los Angeles

Major Water Supply: Colorado River Basin
Population (U.S. rank): 3,831,868 (2nd)
Population Growth Rate: 3.7% since 2000
Average annual rainfall: 14.77 in.

In the 1980's, Los Angeles suffered a major crisis when the city was forced to stop using 40% of its drinking water due to industrial runoff contamination. Like Las Vegas, the city now relies on importing water from the Colorado River via hundreds of miles of aqueducts. The Colorado may only be a temporary solution, however, as the city continues to increase its demand at an unsustainable rate. In its utility risk rating, Ceres gave the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power the highest likelihood of risk among the cities it assessed. That list included Atlanta and the Forth Worth area. On top of this, the Hoover Dam, which is the main source of electricity for L.A. and much of the greater Southwest, is also producing at a lower rate than it has historically. Some scientists suspect this drop-off will continue to a point where its electricity production is too small to sustain the dam economically. Los Angeles, even if the dam doesn't cease production in 2013, as some predict, still faces serious water shortages.

Reading this article made me thristy~~~~ I wanna strawberry margarita!!! :p
 
The TA's not moving, do something.

(11-03) 18:22 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- It was a deliriously fun combination of Mardi Gras, New Year's Eve and world championship - with the crowd of the century on hand to celebrate.

Hundreds of thousands of people jammed downtown San Francisco on Wednesday for the Giants' World Series victory parade, one of the largest gatherings the city has seen in years. They perched on building rooftops and stood 50 deep at some spots along Market Street, screaming themselves hoarse as the first San Francisco Giants team ever to win the world championship rode motorized cable cars from the Financial District to City Hall.

At the head of the parade were luminaries associated with the team and the city - Hall of Famers Willie McCovey and Willie Mays, managing general partner Bill Neukom, Mayor Gavin Newsom and Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

Manager Bruce Bochy rode in a classic car, with the World Series trophy in his hands and a big grin on his face.

The Giants estimated that more than 1 million people watched the parade along the 1 1/2-mile route. Police, in keeping with their practice in recent years, declined to give a crowd size. But few, if any, could remember a bigger throng.

Downtown looked like an open-air festival gone wild as confetti rained from skyscrapers. Fans dressed up in black beards to honor star reliever Brian Wilson and long-haired wigs for two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.

Everywhere along the route, people stood on fire engines, automobiles, benches, portable toilets - anything that would give them a view.

Even the weather seemed to get into the spirit, blessing the day with blue skies and summer-like temperatures in the high 70s.

"It's unreal," Lincecum marveled as he leaned out of his cable car.

Wilson, with his Mohawk haircut and curiously black beard, hopped off his cable car at times to slap high fives with the crowd.

As late-season pickup and playoff star Cody Ross' cable car rolled by, chants of "Cody! Cody!" filled the air, bouncing off the walls of the skyscrapers. When World Series Most Valuable Player Edgar Renteria's car came into view, the crowd screamed, "MVP! MVP!"

Vindication

Some staked out choice spots for the parade the night before. Others braved packed public transit to get there - both BART and Caltrain said ridership was up by tens of thousands.

Despite the huge crowds, police reported no major incidents.

Lisa Fitzgerald, nine months pregnant and due any day, said she traveled with her husband, Rick, from Daly City, rolling the dice with fate. "If she's born today and right here," Fitzgerald said, "then I'll have a great story."

For many, it was a day of vindication for years of following a team that had great players, good years and bad and a few near-misses, but had never won it all since 1954 - as the New York Giants.

Bruce Riordan, 52, carried a life-size cardboard cutout of Will Clark, the former Giants stalwart whose team was swept by the Oakland A's in the 1989 World Series.

"Will didn't get a parade," Riordan said. "So I thought I'd bring him to this one."

A father on Market Street held his infant high above his head, and in the baby's hands was a sign reading: "I've waited for this for seven months."

At the end of the route, thousands of fans overflowed Civic Center Plaza - the same place the original San Francisco Giants ended their welcome-to-the-city parade when they came to town in 1958.

Politicos and players

City Hall politicians and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger mingled with the Giants as the team hung out in the South Light Court, waiting for the ceremony at which Neukom was given the keys to the city. Newsom, sporting an orange tie, seemed particularly awed to meet Wilson, who was sporting silver shoes.

"This is the easiest crowd I've seen in a long time," Newsom said. "Just announce you're running for mayor. I just won the lieutenant governor's race. It's an opportunity, man."

Wilson didn't do that when he addressed the packed plaza a few minutes later. "I'm kinda having a mini-heart attack," he said. "I don't really know the cause ... maybe the smell of Prop. 19" - an allusion to the heavy aroma of marijuana wafting everywhere.

First baseman Aubrey Huff lit up the crowd when he shoved his hands deep into his pants and produced his red rally thong, a good-luck charm that he supposedly wore as the Giants surged into the playoffs.

Several Giants made a point of telling the crowd that the world's championship belonged as much to the fans as it did to them.

"They wanted to win it for you as bad as they wanted to win it for themselves," Bochy proclaimed, pointing to the team.

Jason McClintock, his two teenage children and their friend came in from the Central Valley city of Madera and took up a spot at Fifth and Market streets at 1 a.m. The teens dozed while McClintock guarded the folding chairs.

"It was easy to get out of school," said 16-year-old Steffanie McClintock. "Dad said, let's go, and that was it."

John Shugarte and friend Anthony Poggi drove from Sacramento to the Walnut Creek BART Station, where they got on a standing-room-only train.

"I think our bosses understand," said Poggi, 27. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime thing. You should see me - I listen to KNBR (the Giants' flagship radio station) all day. There's no way I would miss this."

Stacey Wehr, a dental assistant from Novato, left at 6 a.m. for the drive into the city. She pulled her two sons, ages 7 and 5, from school for the occasion.

"It may not happen again," Wehr explained.

Far from being upset, the 5-year-old's kindergarten teacher took the day off and came with them.

Chronicle staff writers Henry K. Lee, Heather Knight, Jessica Kwong, John King, Michael Cabanatuan and Will Kane contributed to this report. E-mail the writers at [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected].



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/03/MNM51G6DMS.DTL#ixzz14IR6BAdT
 
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