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[SweetnessandLight]

??? Know Any of These Folks???

From The Skeptic Tank blog:

The Scientology Cult's GO/OSA 11, Where Are They Now?
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Scientology Crime Syndicate

On Sun, 18 Jan 1998,
[email protected] ([email protected]) wrote:

GO 11 - Where Are They Now?

Mary Sue Hubbard
Not only did the Commodore's wife spend a year in prison for her involvement in Snow White, but the luckless Mary Sue also wound up on the wrong side of a power struggle with current RTC head honcho David Miscavige, and found herself cast out of the inner circle after her husband's disappearance in the early eighties. Currently, she is reported to be living "a quiet life" in California, however it is one with lingering ties to the church she helped found. MSH is listed in Impact #53 as a "Patron" of IAS for her donation of $40,000.

Henning Heldt
After serving his sentence, Henning returned to civilian life, becoming the owner of Los Angeles-based marketing company Doehring, which employed many ex-Sea Orgers, including, until a few years ago, Guy White, Suzette Hubbard's husband. Henning was listed in Source #67 as completing New OTV; and is also a Patron ($40 K + donation) of the IAS.

Duke Snider
Snider's current status within the church is unclear. However, at last check, he was living in Clearwater in a condo located "a stone's throw" from the Sandcastle. Snider is listed in Source #91 as completing Flag Executive Briefing Course

Richard Weigand
A frequent contributor to the Theta News Exchange in 1995, Weigand was was at that time one of the key organizers of CoS efforts in Colombia, including extensive campaigns to have the tech adopted by the military, police and public schools. (Editor's comment - sounds a lot like a fulltime job to me.) Since then, he is reported to have returned to the United States, where he is a fulltime FSM.

Jane Kember
The Number Two GO official (after MSH) during the Snow White adventures, Kember was convicted of her involvement after a lengthy extradition battle. Her current whereabouts are unknown, but she was spotted in the mid-80s at Saint Hill, where she was being "handled".

Morris "Mo" Budlong
One of the chief GO planners, Budlong has found gainful employment in the computer book publishing world. He recently published a new edition of "Teach Yourself Cobol in 21 Days". His current association with the CoS is unknown.

GO 11 convicts still Missing In Action
Gregory Willardson, Sharon Thomas, Cindy Raymond, Mitchell Hermann, Gerald Bennett Wolfe AKA "Silver"

Also MIA - Michael Meisner
One-time GO action figure and handler of Gerald "Silver" Wolfe during the IRS escapades, being held captive by the CoS for several months evidently made a dent in this loyal officer's loyalty. Meisner turned state's evidence and testified against his former GO colleagues. Presumed to be out of the cult, current whereabouts unknown.

Unindicted Co-conspirators:

L. Ron Hubbard
After spending the first half of the eighties in the desert, hidden from all but his closest advisors, Hubbard "dropped the body" on January 24, 1986. His legacy liveth on.

Brian Andrus
The man who kidnapped Michael Meisner and kept him prisoner for several months, Andrus was apparently hired by Miscavige in 1983, and spent the rest of the 80s at Religious Technology Centre (RTC). Current location, alas, unknown.

Kendrick Moxon
A familiar face to many involved in litigation with the CoS, in 1995, Moxon represented Jason Scott during the notorious CAN civil trial. He was last seen on 60 Minutes segment defending CoS takeover of CAN. After Scott realized that he'd been used by the CoS and balked at the CAN takeover plan, Moxon attempted to have his former client declared incompetent, and asked the court to turn over conservatorship of Scott - an adult - to him. (Ed's comment - with lawyers like that, who needs enemies?) The incredible shrinking California Church of Scientology, put into receivership to avoid paying the Wollersheim judgement, was being run from Moxon's law office as of 1995. (Ed's comment - *Runnning the CSC*? Heck, that *really* sounds like staff to me.)

Arthur Maren
Arte lives in Van Nuys, California and is a regular on TNX. As of mid-95, he was, in his own words, "a professional speaker and consultant (over 20 years)". He also offered to assist Las Vegas-area scns "as their FSM", although it's not clear whether he actually *is* an official FSM. (Ed's comment: Wouldn' t that be considered a *staff* position?) Arte was also reported to have given a talk on "broad public dissemination of Scientology PR" in California some time in 1996.

Joe Lisa
Despite his unusual name, a.r.s research has turned up not one but *two* Joe Lisas, either of whom could be the former GO officer of that name. Joe Lisa candidate #1 hails from the great state of Nevada, where, as of February '97, he was the executive director of a local boxing club, as well as dabbling in event promotion. Unfortunately, Lisa's licence seems to have been suspended later that same year after he was accused of embezzlement. Joe Lisa candidate #2 lives in Mount Penn, Pennsylvania; no further information is available on his current career.

A search of the TNX archives turned up one interesting lead, the off-hand mention of a book entitled "The Assult on Health Care Freedom"(or something really close to that) by P.Joseph Lisa, described by one TNXer as "a very interesting expose of the attempt by the orthodox medical/psychestablishemt to wipe out any form of alternative treatment - particularly anything that dosen't involve drugs." Apparently, P. Joseph Lisa's next project was to be a book detailing the CIA mindcontrol experiments. It's not clear whether he is one of the other Joe Lisas.

Don Alverzo
According to sources, Don Alverzo may be also the GO operative formerly known as Jerry Levin, the notorious faux "nice guy" who took up with Operation Freakout target Paulette Cooper in order to spy on her for the CoS. Reports say that he is still in the cult, possibly living at Saint Hill, perhaps because the IRS has been looking for him since his bug-planting days in GO.

Bruce Ullman
Current whereabouts unknown; there is a Bruce Ullman in San Antonio, Texas who is listed as the contact person for people looking to network with disabled persons in Central and South America; noteable only with regards to the activities of "our" Ullman's former colleague Weigand in South America.

Carla Moxon
Ms. Moxon has spent the last few years keeping a low profile (at least, compared to hubby Kendrick). Carla was rumoured to be driving a bus for a Delphi School in Glendale, California in mid-96. (Ed's comment - A lawyer's wife, driving a school bus? Does this mean the Moxons are no longer together?)

Mary Heldt
Presumed to be living in LA with her husband, GO felon and PR man Henning, Heldt is also a Patron of the IAS. (Ed's comment - Doehring must have been pulling in some serious money if Henning and Mary were able to contribute such a sizeable chunk of cash to the warchest.)

Herbert Parkhouse
After his tumultuous career as a GO planner, Parkhouse resurfaced on the 1992 Declaration list. It's not clear why he was eventually declared, but he is apparently out of the CoS at the current time . Second-hand rumour had him running a taxi stand at Heathrow Airport in the 80s, but his current location is unknown.

David Gaiman
Declared sometime in the late eighties, Gaiman did steps a-e, and went back onlines as public at Flag and St. Hill. When last spotted, he was busy selling vitamins in Russia, which gave him the opportunity to provide a convenient PR front for the CoS efforts in eastern Europe. He and his wife run a shop in East Grinstead, where, in addition to vitamins, lucky scientologists can stock up on Guk.

Paul Klopper
Currently living in Santa Rosa, California, Klopper is involved with the medical majrijuana lobby in developing a mission statement. His name also appears as a potential deposee in a FACTnet briefing relating to the validity of the copyright transfer, although it is not clear why he is considered party to information on this matter.

George Pilat
Running, of all things, an ISP in Florida - Intnet, Inc (http://www.intnet.net), Pilat is also associated with CIBER Corporation, a private investigation firm specializing in "computer crimes". Pilat helps run CIBER's Private Eye mailing list. His company, IntNet, also came out with a spamblocker, and has been active in the fight against internet taxation. It also seems to support the EFF, which makes me wonder how George feels about scientology's adventures winning friends and influencing people on the net. Maybe if he reads this, he can tell us.

For more information on CIBER, go to http://www.pimall.com/cibir/cibir.html (Ed's comment - well, looks like all that Snow White experience came in handy for *one* ex-GO guy.)

MIA - Mary Rezonico, Jimmy Mulligan (possibly living in South Carolina), Peggy Tyson, Martin Greenberg, Lynn McNeil, Bruce Raymond, Michael Taylor, Michael Baum (possibly living in Saint Petersburg), Herman Brendel (possibly living in Missouri), Charles Parselle (possibly living in Santa Monica, California)

Other ex-GOites still on staff
Dick Story, signatory on several GO orders, was head reg for PDU at Flag as of April 1995, also served as head of Way to Happiness Campaign. Carl Heldt was director of various scientology corporations as of October, 1995. Sheila Chaleff - Director of COSRECI (UK church) in 1990s, head of UK
Operation in 1993-94.
Miles Mellor - OSA Invest UK
Peter and Patricia Stumbke - OSA Invest Int.
Cathy Sproule - Director of Special Affairs AOSH UK, RPFed in 1993

(This list is made possible by the tireless efforts of many arsians, both public and lurking, including Ray Randolph, Son of Xenu, Deomorto, Joel Hanes, Tilman Hausherr, Ron Newman, Exile49 and all the anonymous, semi-nonymous or just plain shy folks who shall remain nameless, but still very much thanked.)

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[Ted]

Can We Ever Be Friends?

Ah, Lakey...this got the engineer in you riled up and thinking...good!

Can I just share that in several other cultures, putting your face and /or forehead up close to and touching another's is a very loving and respectful greeting?

And it's not just us...dogs do it too! A dog that REALLY likes you will come up and rest it's forehead against you. Kitties will bump their forehead against you!

So it seems to me that there is some kind of energy exchange going on there, with head to head touching transmission, as you put it. Or some kind of communication happening...in my un-engineering way of looking at things.

Very interesting! But I'm glad you've decided not to do this as a practice.

Ya, dogs do like that once you are recognized as friendly. Dogs also sniff butts. Perhaps this is the missing step on the non-existence formula, part of "find a comm line" and "get in a safe space, then speak up." Woof! Woof! Warp! Warp!

 

[purple haze]

flying soon

Keep your coat handy on the plane, PH. It's been d@mn chilly here too. Although, no doubt much warmer than Toronto. Saturday is anticipated 68 hi, 51 low and that's by the beach.


Mark A. Baker

can hardly wait - it's been softly snowing every day. I've had sooo much fun! see you all soon!

 

[purple haze]

Hurry Home Purple... Its not the same without you!

On Ted's post, my calendar is so consummed wiith social activities plus my move to a new location that I just quickly perused Ted's post and while giving Ted Kudos, I did not put a lot into the post and give him the kind of credit he really deserves. Roger and others have recognized Ted's post as being landmark and not just a fresh statement of something most people already knew. I want to get on board as well that Ted's post is a landmark post with new original data and is not just a good post but a BRILLIANT post.

For Purple Haze, you are missed, its not the same around here without you! My birthday party is going to be sooo fantastic, I am counting the hours, only about 96 hours until it starts.

THE FINAL CHAPTER OF MY LIFE STARTS WITH THIS PARTY Candy, you said that you wanted to keep me going to age 110. That would give me nearly 40 more years. Well, my Grandma made it to within one month of 106. Anyway, I want the last portion of my life to be very long, well over 20 more years, at least. All the key people in my life who I am closest with will be there. I have representation from high school friends, going back into the 1950's, construction friends, ex Scios, my new "intuitive" friends and then, as they say in Yiddish, the "Mispoche" or family, represented by my ex wife (with her new boyfriend) and my daughter plus 2 first cousins plus one of their spouses. My Son is in France and will be returning to California on Dec 7th, three days after the party. Whenever various factions from my life have met before, mainly the ex Scios and the "intuitives", the sparks have really ignited and great times were had by all.

This party will be a precursor of the final chapter of my life. I will be doing what I want to be doing with whom I want to be with and the focus will be on connecting with people, having tremendous fun and enjoying personal and group expansion. 39 more years of that before moving on?......What an intriguing thought. Perhaps at age 110, I can still darken my hair and people will only take me for not a day over 95!
Lakey aka Gary

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SATURDAY'S ARRIVAL AND YER PARTY: LAKEY: i DON'T THINK i GOT AN EMAIL FROM YOU WITH TIME, PLACE, FORM AND EVENT....i'M OVER 700+ UNREAD EMAILS, SO I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. PLS SEND AGAIN.

I'VE BEEN HAVING SO MUCH FUN DANCING TO LIVE MUSIC HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE'LL HAVE TO SALSA AGAIN AND GOWER GULCH TOO! ALL ARE WELCOME!

 

[Hatshepsut]

And, as an additional thought, now that I have re-scanned what you dears have written . . . . .

I'd say and venture the explanation of "why" stuff and imagery transfers is because we are often operating on a continuum of a long ago created agreement to receive.

Certainly, the game is one wherein we perceive and reciprocate; and maybe that is a more optimum level of game. I have personally paid a fair amount of attention to getting myself off of the auto-unwitting always "receiving" and being affected by what others are emanating or producing operating basis.

I personally like to be in charge of my level of equilibrium, and not have it screwed with by others

Rog

You know Rog. I'm glad you replied using this standpoint here.

Cause for me the biggie is the agreement to 'receive' too. I am too much of a receiver. Might as well be dish network picking up satellite signals and saving the data on them to my personal storage space. Not wise.
Rogervvvv

I have personally paid a fair amount of attention to getting myself off of the auto-unwitting always "receiving" and being affected by what others are emanating or producing operating basis.

I had read this below by ACW yesterday. I found it in Homer's archives thru the clearing.org site. VERY RIGHT ON. I have questions for you though.vvvvvvvv
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By Alan C. Walter

BLACK CORE ARTIFICIAL “ME’s”

A black core incident creates the being as a "black core artificial me."

This shuts the being off from its higher selves.

Every identity the being has created or been
"created as" is a "me," which is a substitute for the pure being.

An Omni-Sovereign created identity or beingness is fully created by the being.

A Sovereign created identity is created using
ingredients and attributes taken from others, but
is mostly created by the being.

A Dependent “created as” identity is created by
others, with some protested counter-creation by
the being – this is what makes them “artificial”
and hard to undo as they have multiple source
points of creation and counter-creation.

At the bottom of the “created as” identity scale
you have the “Black Core Abuse and Torture Created” artificial “me’s.”

This is what basically booby-trapped the GPM tech.

Scio over the years has managed to steadily
degrade down to creating people as “black core artificial me’s.”

Which is the lowest point of a GPM.

When you escape from Scio, a being usually now
opposes their own goals and now begins to build a new but more degraded GPM.

It is possible to go above compulsive GPM creations.

To do that you must process from the positive.

A Gold Zone, Omni-Sovereign operating being is
outside of and at cause and creativity over
life-force particles, time, space, objects,
people, places, events, subjects, motions, who’s,
what’s, where’s, when’s, how’s and moods with
full responsibility and ownership.

It has the following attributes: - Total Presence
- Immortal - Able to fully own, honor, duplicate,
permeate and span all spectrums and scales –
including all parts of the Games the being chose
to play, their set ups, identities, time, space,
the amount of energy invested, and the objects involved.

If the Prime Being has had an Ascension
Experience that approximated this state - that
being no longer is subject to the so-called
standard prevent OT's from being made at any cost inhibited LRH bridge.

This does not negate the workability of the
processes that have been discovered, but they
must be used at the right, time and place.

Another huge omitted is the fact that Scio has no
procedures to handle charge...all corrective
procedures are designed to HANDLE BY-PASSED CHARGE.

From the AE moment on YOU MUST PROCESS THE PRIME BEING FROM THE POSITIVE.

As you process from the universe set-ups of your
positive anchor points, dimension points and view
points the lower level 2nd postulate negatives
blow to view and now can be handled from the correct as-isness position.

Alan

Wed Sep 6 14:55:39 EDT 2006

Alan

A Dependent “created as” identity is created by
others, with some protested counter-creation by
the being – this is what makes them “artificial”
and hard to undo as they have multiple source
points of creation and counter-creation.

Question from Hat.
So how does one undo the the received "created as" balled up life force. How do you get all the vectors you received it FROM. Spot and release it. Not everyone is open to taking on projected beingnesses aimed at them by others. Their life force is walled up in self created definite identities. Its not malleable free-form 'receiving' life force. To me, it has always been a malady, like for those who are not jaded but remain open and 'IMPRESSIONABLE'. And if one is to be constantly looking to rise on the knowledge scale one is usually always open to being impressed upon. What I'm saying is other created beingness we wear is just as sticky as false purposes we pick up. A HOT topic for some, as they are taken on unknowingly especially if there is forcibleness or abusiveness. We kinda ignore the area but when it accidentally gets handled on the FPRD or the HRD or an L it is powerful. We just haven't directly gone after this subject matter with a lot of intention.

http://www.freezoneamerica.org/links.html

There is an unbelievable amount of ACW stuff not commonly hashed...... Freezone America Links. CLICK ON HOMIE(Homer Smith's archives. There are actually a couple different webpages with Homer's archives but FZA links has easiest directory.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

From The Skeptic Tank blog:

The Scientology Cult's GO/OSA 11, Where Are They Now?
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MSH is dead
Artie Maren is still in, keeps in touch with his ex.
Mary "Lasagna" Rezzonico is still in. Nice lady.

 

[Hatshepsut]

I was browsing YouTube and I found there were vids 1 thru 8 belonging to this set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cou262HrJ0

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

A Christmas tale

The Parable of the Birds

Once upon a time there was a man who looked upon Christmas as a lot of humbug. He wasn’t a Scrooge, or anything like that. In fact, he was kind of a decent person. But he did not believe all that stuff about Incarnation and he was too honest to pretend that he did. He simply could not understand the claim that God had become man. It didn’t make any sense to him how that could possibly have been.

One Christmas Eve, this man’s wife and children went off to church for the midnight service, and he stayed home, as usual. It began to snow soon after his family had departed, and so he sat down by the lighted fire, and made himself comfortable - settling in for the evening with the afternoon newspaper. A few minutes passed, and then he heard a thudding sound - and then a few more moments, and a second thudding sound. And quickly a third such sound followed. After the third thud, he realized that some birds, caught in the snow storm, and in a desperate attempt to search for shelter, had tried to fly through his living room window. Now, as he could see, they lay huddled together quite miserably in the snow.

He thought to himself, “I can’t let those birds out there freeze, but how can I possibly help them?” Then he thought of the barn. It was a warm shelter - just the thing. So he put on his coat and his boots, and he tramped out through the deepening snow to the barn. He opened the barn doors wide, and turned on the light; but the birds would not come in. “Food will bring them in,” he then thought, so he sprinkled a trail of bread crumbs from the birds to the barn door. “They simply find me a strange and terrifying creature,” he said to himself. “I have got to think of a way I can let them know they can trust me. The answer would be if I could only become a bird myself for a few minutes. Then they would trust me to lead them to safety - to life out of the cold.” At that moment, the bells of the church began to ring-in Christmas Day, and, as they did, something strange happened. The man stood silently for awhile looking at the birds, then he looked for a time at the barn door; then, oddly, he knelt for a time in the cold and wet snow. He had come with some suddenness to realize something for the first time in his life, and it would not let him go. “If only I could become a bird, myself...then they might trust me to lead them to safety, to life out of the cold.”

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

a quick story by Wisened One (on ESMB)

"The Spot" By: Michelle Wentling

 


“Oh yes, Oh yes!” she screamed silently to herself.

She was so close….almost there! Just a little longer….

With renewed vigor, she switched to a rhythmic, circular motion; clockwise first, then counter-clockwise. Fast, then slow; using harder, then lighter pressure.

The intense, grinding motion was working!

With her breath panting in ragged gasps; her face flushing deeper, with every move, she kept up the rhythm, even through the waning energy.

“Oh God, Oh God, yes, that’s it….” Every word thought in jagged bursts; urging her forward towards the triumphant end.

Then, it happened.

All that work for such a quick and instant result.

She sat up and wiped her brow; a satisfied smile on her flushed face.

She’d done it!

The spot came out. 

 

[Hatshepsut]

Oprah would like that one. She is a fanatic about getting stains out and quite proud of her abilities in the area.

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks Rog! I was hoping for something like this from you.

Hats and Lakey,

I have some thoughts on what you have posted just above.

The first thing to do in these scenarios is to recognize the ownership and source of the "energy" and imagery you are dealing with. As in, it will be a "who" a spiritual who.

Life becomes rather sweet when you can correctly recognize who owns what, and to then correctly assign things where they belong.

Lakey, I would invite you to look at your operating premise (or I could say operating belief system/paradigm) of what you are doing.

If I recall correctly, the words you have used at various times are things like: "pull the energy out" and "letting 'the' energy 'discharge' through me" and "I absorb their energy" etc., and then you have to be grounded to let it discharge, etc., etc.

Yes, I first noticed energy running through me into the floor during touch assists I was giving in the late 70's after I had been introduced to accupressure massages around 1975.

Well, that's a way of doing things . . . and I'm not invalidating it as you should know as I have thoroughly validated the magic of your abilities to heal in the past . . . but I would invite you to look at the mechanics a) of what you are doing and, b) an alternative.

Firstly, why draw the energy of? Why allow it to transfer to you?

Well, I did not originally intend to draw the energy off. It just happened that when I touched certain points during touch assists, I would feel a lot of heat and feel the energy flowing off through me into the floor. I started honing my perception to be able to perceive and choose those points more causitvely because when the energy started flowing off, the person seemed to feel better.

It is their spiritual Life-Force we are actually talking about here Now it may have been made turbulent and turned "negative" due to impacts and abuse or negative imagery from others . . . . but it is still theirs.

THIS IS THE KEY POINT RIGHT HERE! The energy is always turbulent and negative at these points. Because of this, and also because the person seemed to feel better after this turbulent energy was released from his body, I did not look at it as if the energy was theirs. I looked at it as if the energy was not knowingly being created by them and that the preclears were better off if the energy was removed from their bodies and spaces. If I am making an error, it would be right at this point in that the assumptions which I made about whose energy it was was incorrect. IN THE STRICT SENSE OF THE WORD as you say, THE TURBULENT AND NEGATIVE ENERGY IS STILL THEIRS.

]I would invite you to do as you are doing on your perception thing, adding your spiritual presence and power to theirs so the encysted Life-Force opens up and "turns on" such that it can be further perceived . . . . but here's the difference: you can help them convert the/their negative Life-Force and restore it back to being freely available positive spiritual Life-Force back under their knowing control.

Yes, you are right that adding my spiritual presence and power to theirs is what opens things up and leads to any workability which this technique has! How to end off the session leaving their former negative life force now positive life force is a bit of a dilemma. Running out the energy into the ground was my first choice and then later I added running out the energy by addressing the area and looking for entities. The person was also given the choice of keeping the entities or getting them to leave.

You don't have to (and, in my view shouldn't) "take it from them" Restore it to positive and to being available to them back under their knowing control.

That'll save wear and tear on you and also strengthen them.



If you must do your "draw the energy out of them" thing, you would be best to stand barefoot on some metal plates that are earthed to something like a pipe or the earth plug in an electrical circuit. Either that or do it outdoors . . . but barefoot or with leather shoes that allow the passage of the energy.

On the various occasions I've spiritually processed other Beings, spirit to spirit, the trick is to unlock their encysted Life-Force (charge) and restore is to them as positively available to them. That is, leave it with them. (Remember my dealing with the folk in 9/11 as posted by me here, and another such processing of one I'll not mention is polite company). Don't take it on yourself, leave it with them.

Rog

Rog, your second to last paragraph about standing barefoot on plates that are earthed to something is excellent advise. I knew intuitively to do something like that. When I got energy on me which would not flow out, I immediately took off my shoes and went outside and touched things which were anchored to the ground. Metal plates were generally not available so I used trees but the trees are not very good conductors of electricity. Block wall fences were plentiful. The concrete is not much of an electrical conductor either but the fences require "rebar", i.e. steel rods to be vertically placed every 2 feet or so which is helpful.

The problem I have with this technique is that once I add my presence and power to the person's presence and power and the tension or headache or stiff neck or back opens up for the person, the ony thing I knew to do to benefit the person was to run the opened up energy out of the person and into the ground. I really did not have any other means to end off the session. Sometimes, the person would voice a cognition or smile when the energy opened up to them under their own control but it just did not seem like the proper spot to end the session.

Two months ago, I came up with NOTS valence technique as another means of ending off the session. In this scenario, I believe I am following your advice. I would have the person check the formerly turbulent, locked up harmful energy area to see if there were entities present. If there were entities, then I left the harmful energy under the person's control, giving them a chance to keep or get rid of the entities, after first getting in communication with them. If the person wished it, I ran NOT's valence technique on them and they would get their entities to blow. I have run about 25 such sessions on about 5 people in the last 2 months and in all the sessions the people ran out their entities successfully. The problem here is that in just a day or two, new entities come in and fill the void where the old entities existed. I then added running havingness on the person as the last step. No matter how much we put pleasant items back where the turbulent charge previously existed There is no Case Supervision being done and no program being followed. New entities virtually always pop up in a day or two and the person would beg me to help them run those out as well.

I concluded that the NOTs valence technique was too out gradient of a process to run on these people. Essentially, they had no case set ups. To my amazement, all of these people could run the entities out without any problems!! I did not expect that people would be able to do that but the downside is that their lower level cases had not really ever been handled and they immediately started wanting me to help them handle their entire cases using NOTs techniques. These were all friends of mine and nobody was paying me and if I went along with their requests, all my time would be devoted to running out their entities.

SUMMARY
With just me alone, with insufficient tech training but having natural gifts in this area, I decided that I did not want to pursue this type of auditing any further OTHER THAN FOR GIVING ASSISTS. It is mainly good just as assist audting which I would give for free to family members or close friends, sometimes getting some form of barter in return to keep the exchange in.

Rog, if you want to spend a little more time on me, I would appreciate a suggestion as to how to proceed with the session once I have helped the person convert their turbulent energy to good energy. I need a lower level process to end off their session and send them on their way in a happy state, stronger than they were before session. NOTs technique does that but it is really too advanced of a technique to use immediately on new people who have a spiritual background but have never had formal processing before.
Lakey

 

[RogerB]

You know Rog. I'm glad you replied using this standpoint here.

Cause for me the biggie is the agreement to 'receive' too. I am too much of a receiver. Might as well be dish network picking up satellite signals and saving the data on them to my personal storage space. Not wise.
Rogervvvv

Yep. We've all agreed to "receive" one way or the other . . . but like all the things that were once positive, or apparently a "right" thing to do at a point along the way in our existence, it got out of control, became a problem that then had to be solved in various ways . . . and now is expressed as a conflicted "must do---must not do---have a problem with," thing.

This is the way in which the Games Matrix developed. Below Alan is using LRH's Scn expression/language as he is referring to the old tech and the labels used there to reveal what went wrong then.

The own goal GPM tech endeavor collided with what is actually better expressed (and revealed) as the Games Matrix construct.

AS already noted, I will be posting on all this on my other thread on Corrections and Advances in Tech.

However, knowing what you know, you are in a position to gently undo this automaticity as you progress in your daily life.

The first part of this is to approach it all from the positive position that it was your own self determinism, choice and exercise of volition that created the intention to receive and the resulting "condition."

It's just that others later jammed their junk in on top of your assumed position to receive, and gave you things you didn't then want to receive The rest, as they say, is history.

You can take back sovereignty on the subject. It just takes time, and the application of the correct tech.

Repeater on the intention (once you spot and articulate it correctly) will to a large extent, even possibly totally, take it off auto. And then you'll also have to learn how better to handle the emanations of others

I had read this below by ACW yesterday. I found it in Homer's archives thru the clearing.org site. VERY RIGHT ON. I have questions for you though.vvvvvvvv
.......................................................................................
By Alan C. Walter

BLACK CORE ARTIFICIAL “ME’s”

A black core incident creates the being as a "black core artificial me."

This shuts the being off from its higher selves.

Every identity the being has created or been
"created as" is a "me," which is a substitute for the pure being.

An Omni-Sovereign created identity or beingness is fully created by the being.

A Sovereign created identity is created using
ingredients and attributes taken from others, but
is mostly created by the being.

A Dependent “created as” identity is created by
others, with some protested counter-creation by
the being – this is what makes them “artificial”
and hard to undo as they have multiple source
points of creation and counter-creation.

At the bottom of the “created as” identity scale
you have the “Black Core Abuse and Torture Created” artificial “me’s.”

This is what basically booby-trapped the GPM tech.

Scio over the years has managed to steadily
degrade down to creating people as “black core artificial me’s.”

Which is the lowest point of a GPM.

When you escape from Scio, a being usually now
opposes their own goals and now begins to build a new but more degraded GPM.

It is possible to go above compulsive GPM creations.

To do that you must process from the positive.

A Gold Zone, Omni-Sovereign operating being is
outside of and at cause and creativity over
life-force particles, time, space, objects,
people, places, events, subjects, motions, who’s,
what’s, where’s, when’s, how’s and moods with
full responsibility and ownership.

It has the following attributes: - Total Presence
- Immortal - Able to fully own, honor, duplicate,
permeate and span all spectrums and scales –
including all parts of the Games the being chose
to play, their set ups, identities, time, space,
the amount of energy invested, and the objects involved.

If the Prime Being has had an Ascension
Experience that approximated this state - that
being no longer is subject to the so-called
standard prevent OT's from being made at any cost inhibited LRH bridge.

This does not negate the workability of the
processes that have been discovered, but they
must be used at the right, time and place.

Another huge omitted is the fact that Scio has no
procedures to handle charge...all corrective
procedures are designed to HANDLE BY-PASSED CHARGE.

From the AE moment on YOU MUST PROCESS THE PRIME BEING FROM THE POSITIVE.

As you process from the universe set-ups of your
positive anchor points, dimension points and view
points the lower level 2nd postulate negatives
blow to view and now can be handled from the correct as-isness position.

Alan

Wed Sep 6 14:55:39 EDT 2006

Alan


Question from Hat.
So how does one undo the the received "created as" balled up life force. How do you get all the vectors you received it FROM. Spot and release it. Not everyone is open to taking on projected beingnesses aimed at them by others. Their life force is walled up in self created definite identities. Its not malleable free-form 'receiving' life force. To me, it has always been a malady, like for those who are not jaded but remain open and 'IMPRESSIONABLE'. And if one is to be constantly looking to rise on the knowledge scale one is usually always open to being impressed upon. What I'm saying is other created beingness we wear is just as sticky as false purposes we pick up. A HOT topic for some, as they are taken on unknowingly especially if there is forcibleness or abusiveness. We kinda ignore the area but when it accidentally gets handled on the FPRD or the HRD or an L it is powerful. We just haven't directly gone after this subject matter with a lot of intention.

Ahhh, my Hats, the $64,000 question.

Probably the first thing to know is that we created for ourselves, identities or better put, Beingnesses and positions to be at and as in order to play the games we play . . . which include such charms as the actions of create and effect, emanating and receiving, etc., etc.

These Beingnesses were created with a spectrum of characteristics, attributes, powers, weaknesses, virtues, etc., and also they were created to do and achieve a spectrum of things (and also to not do certain things:wink2

I tell you this because, to really achieve what you are asking, one needs to clean up what has accumulated on those identities/Beingnesses. Simply processing "stuff" from your present life position or Beingness as "Hats" won't get it done.

And you also must clean up and restore to fully being under your knowing control the Beingnesses you have created for you to operate as; and also the identities/Beingnesses you have "allowed" yourself to be created into to becoming by others (this due to either agreement or incorrect handling of what others have put on you).

This can be done by you, as the spiritual Being you know you are, addressing each of these identities/Beingnesses and cleaning off all the dones and restraints (O/Ws) four flows of you as the Beingness; then clean off how the Beingness opposed the other parts (Beingnesses) of the game; then do a full Identity Handling on each Beingness to restore to being under your knowing control. . . .or erase it if you choose.

You see, it is you operating as a Beingness that is causing and being effect of all this "strife" in the game. And it is this Beingness and the doings and effects it is "suffering" that need to be addressed and cleaned up. This is what Hubbard missed.

Just to be clear about this, as an example, one of the questions used in dealing with this scenario is: "As a (named identity) what have you done?"

These types of explicit questions get you spotting the exact forces, etc., that are to be undone or taken of auto-hang up. Asking you, "What have you done?" doesn't quite hack it . . . it misses the real deal.

More on my other thread, when I get to it.

Rog

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Yep. We've all agreed to "receive" one way or the other . . . but like all the things that were once positive, or apparently a "right" thing to do at a point along the way in our existence, it got out of control, became a problem that then had to be solved in various ways . . . and now is expressed as a conflicted "must do---must not do---have a problem with," thing.

This is the way in which the Games Matrix developed. Below Alan is using LRH's Scn expression/language as he is referring to the old tech and the labels used there to reveal what went wrong then.

The own goal GPM tech endeavor collided with what is actually better expressed (and revealed) as the Games Matrix construct.

AS already noted, I will be posting on all this on my other thread on Corrections and Advances in Tech.

However, knowing what you know, you are in a position to gently undo this automaticity as you progress in your daily life.

The first part of this is to approach it all from the positive position that it was your own self determinism, choice and exercise of volition that created the intention to receive and the resulting "condition."

It's just that others later jammed their junk in on top of your assumed position to receive, and gave you things you didn't then want to receive The rest, as they say, is history.

You can take back sovereignty on the subject. It just takes time, and the application of the correct tech.

Repeater on the intention (once you spot and articulate it correctly) will to a large extent, even possibly totally, take it off auto. And then you'll also have to learn how better to handle the emanations of others




Ahhh, my Hats, the $64,000 question.

Probably the first thing to know is that we created for ourselves, identities or better put, Beingnesses and positions to be at and as in order to play the games we play . . . which include such charms as the actions of create and effect, emanating and receiving, etc., etc.

These Beingnesses were created with a spectrum of characteristics, attributes, powers, weaknesses, virtues, etc., and also they were created to do and achieve a spectrum of things (and also to not do certain things:wink2

I tell you this because, to really achieve what you are asking, one needs to clean up what has accumulated on those identities/Beingnesses. Simply processing "stuff" from your present life position or Beingness as "Hats" won't get it done.

And you also must clean up and restore to fully being under your knowing control the Beingnesses you have created for you to operate as; and also the identities/Beingnesses you have "allowed" yourself to be created into to becoming by others (this due to either agreement or incorrect handling of what others have put on you).

This can be done by you, as the spiritual Being you know you are, addressing each of these identities/Beingnesses and cleaning off all the dones and restraints (O/Ws) four flows of you as the Beingness; then clean off how the Beingness opposed the other parts (Beingnesses) of the game; then do a full Identity Handling on each Beingness to restore to being under your knowing control. . . .or erase it if you choose.

You see, it is you operating as a Beingness that is causing and being effect of all this "strife" in the game. And it is this Beingness and the doings and effects it is "suffering" that need to be addressed and cleaned up. This is what Hubbard missed.

Just to be clear about this, as an example, one of the questions used in dealing with this scenario is: "As a (named identity) what have you done?"

These types of explicit questions get you spotting the exact forces, etc., that are to be undone or taken of auto-hang up. Asking you, "What have you done?" doesn't quite hack it . . . it misses the real deal.

More on my other thread, when I get to it.

Rog

waiting with bated breath.

 

[lkwdblds]

Mary Sue Hubbard? Get serious.

From The Skeptic Tank blog:

The Scientology Cult's GO/OSA 11, Where Are They Now?
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Scientology Crime Syndicate

On Sun, 18 Jan 1998,
[email protected] ([email protected]) wrote:

GO 11 - Where Are They Now?

Mary Sue Hubbard
Not only did the Commodore's wife spend a year in prison for her involvement in Snow White, but the luckless Mary Sue also wound up on the wrong side of a power struggle with current RTC head honcho David Miscavige, and found herself cast out of the inner circle after her husband's disappearance in the early eighties. Currently, she is reported to be living "a quiet life" in California, however it is one with lingering ties to the church she helped found. MSH is listed in Impact #53 as a "Patron" of IAS for her donation of $40,000.

Henning Heldt
After serving his sentence, Henning returned to civilian life, becoming the owner of Los Angeles-based marketing company Doehring, which employed many ex-Sea Orgers, including, until a few years ago, Guy White, Suzette Hubbard's husband. Henning was listed in Source #67 as completing New OTV; and is also a Patron ($40 K + donation) of the IAS.

Duke Snider
Snider's current status within the church is unclear. However, at last check, he was living in Clearwater in a condo located "a stone's throw" from the Sandcastle. Snider is listed in Source #91 as completing Flag Executive Briefing Course

Richard Weigand
A frequent contributor to the Theta News Exchange in 1995, Weigand was was at that time one of the key organizers of CoS efforts in Colombia, including extensive campaigns to have the tech adopted by the military, police and public schools. (Editor's comment - sounds a lot like a fulltime job to me.) Since then, he is reported to have returned to the United States, where he is a fulltime FSM.

Jane Kember
The Number Two GO official (after MSH) during the Snow White adventures, Kember was convicted of her involvement after a lengthy extradition battle. Her current whereabouts are unknown, but she was spotted in the mid-80s at Saint Hill, where she was being "handled".

Morris "Mo" Budlong
One of the chief GO planners, Budlong has found gainful employment in the computer book publishing world. He recently published a new edition of "Teach Yourself Cobol in 21 Days". His current association with the CoS is unknown.

GO 11 convicts still Missing In Action
Gregory Willardson, Sharon Thomas, Cindy Raymond, Mitchell Hermann, Gerald Bennett Wolfe AKA "Silver"

Also MIA - Michael Meisner
One-time GO action figure and handler of Gerald "Silver" Wolfe during the IRS escapades, being held captive by the CoS for several months evidently made a dent in this loyal officer's loyalty. Meisner turned state's evidence and testified against his former GO colleagues. Presumed to be out of the cult, current whereabouts unknown.

Unindicted Co-conspirators:

L. Ron Hubbard
After spending the first half of the eighties in the desert, hidden from all but his closest advisors, Hubbard "dropped the body" on January 24, 1986. His legacy liveth on.

Brian Andrus
The man who kidnapped Michael Meisner and kept him prisoner for several months, Andrus was apparently hired by Miscavige in 1983, and spent the rest of the 80s at Religious Technology Centre (RTC). Current location, alas, unknown.

Kendrick Moxon
A familiar face to many involved in litigation with the CoS, in 1995, Moxon represented Jason Scott during the notorious CAN civil trial. He was last seen on 60 Minutes segment defending CoS takeover of CAN. After Scott realized that he'd been used by the CoS and balked at the CAN takeover plan, Moxon attempted to have his former client declared incompetent, and asked the court to turn over conservatorship of Scott - an adult - to him. (Ed's comment - with lawyers like that, who needs enemies?) The incredible shrinking California Church of Scientology, put into receivership to avoid paying the Wollersheim judgement, was being run from Moxon's law office as of 1995. (Ed's comment - *Runnning the CSC*? Heck, that *really* sounds like staff to me.)

Arthur Maren
Arte lives in Van Nuys, California and is a regular on TNX. As of mid-95, he was, in his own words, "a professional speaker and consultant (over 20 years)". He also offered to assist Las Vegas-area scns "as their FSM", although it's not clear whether he actually *is* an official FSM. (Ed's comment: Wouldn' t that be considered a *staff* position?) Arte was also reported to have given a talk on "broad public dissemination of Scientology PR" in California some time in 1996.

Joe Lisa
Despite his unusual name, a.r.s research has turned up not one but *two* Joe Lisas, either of whom could be the former GO officer of that name. Joe Lisa candidate #1 hails from the great state of Nevada, where, as of February '97, he was the executive director of a local boxing club, as well as dabbling in event promotion. Unfortunately, Lisa's licence seems to have been suspended later that same year after he was accused of embezzlement. Joe Lisa candidate #2 lives in Mount Penn, Pennsylvania; no further information is available on his current career.

A search of the TNX archives turned up one interesting lead, the off-hand mention of a book entitled "The Assult on Health Care Freedom"(or something really close to that) by P.Joseph Lisa, described by one TNXer as "a very interesting expose of the attempt by the orthodox medical/psychestablishemt to wipe out any form of alternative treatment - particularly anything that dosen't involve drugs." Apparently, P. Joseph Lisa's next project was to be a book detailing the CIA mindcontrol experiments. It's not clear whether he is one of the other Joe Lisas.

Don Alverzo
According to sources, Don Alverzo may be also the GO operative formerly known as Jerry Levin, the notorious faux "nice guy" who took up with Operation Freakout target Paulette Cooper in order to spy on her for the CoS. Reports say that he is still in the cult, possibly living at Saint Hill, perhaps because the IRS has been looking for him since his bug-planting days in GO.

Bruce Ullman
Current whereabouts unknown; there is a Bruce Ullman in San Antonio, Texas who is listed as the contact person for people looking to network with disabled persons in Central and South America; noteable only with regards to the activities of "our" Ullman's former colleague Weigand in South America.

Carla Moxon
Ms. Moxon has spent the last few years keeping a low profile (at least, compared to hubby Kendrick). Carla was rumoured to be driving a bus for a Delphi School in Glendale, California in mid-96. (Ed's comment - A lawyer's wife, driving a school bus? Does this mean the Moxons are no longer together?)

Mary Heldt
Presumed to be living in LA with her husband, GO felon and PR man Henning, Heldt is also a Patron of the IAS. (Ed's comment - Doehring must have been pulling in some serious money if Henning and Mary were able to contribute such a sizeable chunk of cash to the warchest.)

Herbert Parkhouse
After his tumultuous career as a GO planner, Parkhouse resurfaced on the 1992 Declaration list. It's not clear why he was eventually declared, but he is apparently out of the CoS at the current time . Second-hand rumour had him running a taxi stand at Heathrow Airport in the 80s, but his current location is unknown.

David Gaiman
Declared sometime in the late eighties, Gaiman did steps a-e, and went back onlines as public at Flag and St. Hill. When last spotted, he was busy selling vitamins in Russia, which gave him the opportunity to provide a convenient PR front for the CoS efforts in eastern Europe. He and his wife run a shop in East Grinstead, where, in addition to vitamins, lucky scientologists can stock up on Guk.

Paul Klopper
Currently living in Santa Rosa, California, Klopper is involved with the medical majrijuana lobby in developing a mission statement. His name also appears as a potential deposee in a FACTnet briefing relating to the validity of the copyright transfer, although it is not clear why he is considered party to information on this matter.

George Pilat
Running, of all things, an ISP in Florida - Intnet, Inc (http://www.intnet.net), Pilat is also associated with CIBER Corporation, a private investigation firm specializing in "computer crimes". Pilat helps run CIBER's Private Eye mailing list. His company, IntNet, also came out with a spamblocker, and has been active in the fight against internet taxation. It also seems to support the EFF, which makes me wonder how George feels about scientology's adventures winning friends and influencing people on the net. Maybe if he reads this, he can tell us.

For more information on CIBER, go to http://www.pimall.com/cibir/cibir.html (Ed's comment - well, looks like all that Snow White experience came in handy for *one* ex-GO guy.)

MIA - Mary Rezonico, Jimmy Mulligan (possibly living in South Carolina), Peggy Tyson, Martin Greenberg, Lynn McNeil, Bruce Raymond, Michael Taylor, Michael Baum (possibly living in Saint Petersburg), Herman Brendel (possibly living in Missouri), Charles Parselle (possibly living in Santa Monica, California)

Other ex-GOites still on staff
Dick Story, signatory on several GO orders, was head reg for PDU at Flag as of April 1995, also served as head of Way to Happiness Campaign. Carl Heldt was director of various scientology corporations as of October, 1995. Sheila Chaleff - Director of COSRECI (UK church) in 1990s, head of UK
Operation in 1993-94.
Miles Mellor - OSA Invest UK
Peter and Patricia Stumbke - OSA Invest Int.
Cathy Sproule - Director of Special Affairs AOSH UK, RPFed in 1993

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Sweetness, get serious about Mary Sue. I thought everyone, except Sea Org Members, knew she died of cancer in November of 2002. That is common knowledge all over the internet. The Robert Dam on Scientology website has an excellent story on that plus a copy of her death certificate. I read all that in 2005. C of S has pretty much written her out of having ever existed. I believe all written references to her in official C of S written communications have expunged her name. She was removed from the IAS list of Patrons shortly after her death.

Hennin and Mary Heldt - I worked for Executive Software for 11 days in 1993. I found it to be an absolutely terrible place to work. It was Sea Org "light", just a totally robotic application of the Hubbard Management model, tailored somewhat to fit a non Sea Org company. Henning Heldt was on their board of directors and I believe Mary Heldt was as well. They are very good at adapting Hubbard Management techniques to non Scientology companies.

Just 11 days there was enough to show me that the Hubbard Management system is non workable for the long term for non Scientology businesses.

For the short term, this utter management poison can be put into effect at a dentists or chiropractor's office and for a brief time, due to enormous promotion and crush regging, in the classic LRH mode, stats will go up and money will start flowing in.

What usually happens is that most of the money is siphoned off, going to the IAS or to Flag and a bit to the local Org where the business is located. The businesse's Cash/Bills ratio quickly crosses and there is no cash and hundreds of thousand of dollars of bills in the organization There is no effort to deliver quality service and due to the huge promotional effort, the demand for services is increased but there is no additional hiring or training of any import to service the newly created public demand and the field quickly gets muddied, law suits start up and the Chiropractor or Dentist usually has to file bankruptcy and close down. This scenario has been often repeated and there are dozens of such stories on the internet.
Lakey

 

[Zinjifar]

Sweetness, get serious about Mary Sue. I thought everyone, except Sea Org Members, knew she died of cancer in November of 2002. That is common knowledge all over the internet. The Robert Dam on Scientology website has an excellent story on that plus a copy of her death certificate. I read all that in 2005.

Since Sweetness is quoting a webpage from 1998 it's not surprising that Mary Sue's death in 2002 isn't mentioned.

Where were you in 1998?

Zinj

 

[lkwdblds]

I was on course at my local Org.

Since Sweetness is quoting a webpage from 1998 it's not surprising that Mary Sue's death in 2002 isn't mentioned.

Where were you in 1998?

Zinj

I was still on course at my local Org, doing courses "Golden Age" style. Where were you?
Lakey

 

[Ted]

[snip...]

You see, it is you operating as a Beingness that is causing and being effect of all this "strife" in the game. And it is this Beingness and the doings and effects it is "suffering" that need to be addressed and cleaned up. This is what Hubbard missed.

Just to be clear about this, as an example, one of the questions used in dealing with this scenario is: "As a (named identity) what have you done?"

These types of explicit questions get you spotting the exact forces, etc., that are to be undone or taken of auto-hang up. Asking you, "What have you done?" doesn't quite hack it . . . it misses the real deal.

More on my other thread, when I get to it.

Rog

In early Dianetics, Hubbard noted that even though basic on a chain had been fully addressed, the auditor might still have to come back up the chain to flatten off any incident that remained unflat. If I recall, he suggested touching on each incident by running through to see if anything else comes up. This procedure, I would assume, was established empirically. That is, if one were attempting to do the best possible service for the pc, this is what you do.

Later on, authoritarianism dominated. The Hubbard-authority stated that when basic was reached that was all there was to that chain. I would surmise that the resulting BPC opened up the assumption of other chains by both pc and auditor. Then off the pc goes fabricating explanations for the BPC.

After all my years of auditing I have concluded that a little bit of auditing on the exact right items is very beneficial. A little bit of auditing on the wrong thing just begets the need for more auditing.

"As a (identity/role/beingness/valence/whatever) ..." is akin to coming back up the Dianetic chain to pick up BPC on earlier incidents. This direction of attention is a very important addition to clearing tech. Thank ACW.

In the case of a repetitive command/question, the pc does not necessarily go earlier or later, but addresses whatever comes up, not as a simple spirit but as the identity/role/valence/whatever it was assigned or assumed. This opens the door to future processing with a simple change of process command/question.

"As a (...) what might you withhold? / ... what might you do?" F1

Less passively, "As a (...) what could you withhold?"

 

[RogerB]

In early Dianetics, Hubbard noted that even though basic on a chain had been fully addressed, the auditor might still have to come back up the chain to flatten off any incident that remained unflat. If I recall, he suggested touching on each incident by running through to see if anything else comes up. This procedure, I would assume, was established empirically. That is, if one were attempting to do the best possible service for the pc, this is what you do.

Later on, authoritarianism dominated. The Hubbard-authority stated that when basic was reached that was all there was to that chain. I would surmise that the resulting BPC opened up the assumption of other chains by both pc and auditor. Then off the pc goes fabricating explanations for the BPC.

After all my years of auditing I have concluded that a little bit of auditing on the exact right items is very beneficial. A little bit of auditing on the wrong thing just begets the need for more auditing.

"As a (identity/role/beingness/valence/whatever) ..." is akin to coming back up the Dianetic chain to pick up BPC on earlier incidents. This direction of attention is a very important addition to clearing tech. Thank ACW.

In the case of a repetitive command/question, the pc does not necessarily go earlier or later, but addresses whatever comes up, not as a simple spirit but as the identity/role/valence/whatever it was assigned or assumed. This opens the door to future processing with a simple change of process command/question.

"As a (...) what might you withhold? / ... what might you do?" F1

Less passively, "As a (...) what could you withhold?"

Yes, this is good Ted.

On the "later similar" thing, I also concur. I have posted elsewhere on the occasional need to address later similar stuff that gets beefed up when handling a very basic scenario.

With the processing I am doing, and remember I left behind long ago the deal of picking up an "incident" on myself and going down E/S on a chain to "basic," what I quite often find is that a very basic identity (or other area) when being processed will stir up stuff later in the sequence of events . . . and I often then have to address this "later" stuff.

I remember when I first struck this (about 10-12 years ago), it was a revelation because I'd been indoctrinated with extant Scn/Dn think that what gets "restimulated" is E/S stuff. It was a revelation to spot, "hell, it's later similar!"

A really basic, basic can be the basic to a number of other chains also.


R

 

[RogerB]

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[Mark A. Baker]

I remember when I first struck this (about 10-12 years ago), it was a revelation because I'd been indoctrinated with extant Scn/Dn think that what gets "restimulated" is E/S stuff. It was a revelation to spot, "hell, it's later similar!"

A really basic, basic can be the basic to a number of other chains also.


R

Thanks, Rog. That gibes with some of my (underappreciated) own quasi-observations. I'm going to have to take a fresh look at somethings.


Mark A. Baker