Insane calls - realize not news here but #@!

[AnotherOne]

Although reasonably advanced in services (L's, exec in an Org) I've been off lines for at least 12 years.

Moved with no forwarding address 8 years ago, cancelled 2 land phones with no forwarding # over that time - finally disconnected the line entirely.

Somehow they found my address and phones, can't figure how.

They've shown up at my house and work.

The crazy mail (bags per week) finally dwindled after much communication explaining they are just creating antagonism. The remaining crap I get I just take full advantage of their business reply envelopes to remind them that they are wasting $$.

Went through a period where calls where just never ending, 100's, even Sunday early mornings or weekdays after 10pm. That is when I decided it wasn't worth the aggravation and simply killed my last land line rather than just changing the # again. That was maybe 2 years ago.

Somehow recently they started calling my wife's cell # asking for me - both from Miami, Clearwater, West Coast and someplace else. Multiple calls a day, I think the first was at 8am yesterday (Sunday).


1) How are they getting these numbers? Not from any of their files or public records.

2) I can do the "Xenu is going to come across the wall of fire and steal your Internet" bit to the poor soul that happened to dial me but that is just pissing in the wind, someone else will call in a few hours.

Aggravating and while I was a passive ex before the continued upset that they are causing my family is making me want to start taking an active role in
stopping them.

Talk about creating enemies. New to this forum and it seems like a reasonable place, I'm sure not the place to start a rally in my anger but would welcome any advise on how to deal with this craziness.

BTW, has a lot changed in the last 15 years or so? Seems like Scn has taken a crazy(er)(est) turn since!

 

[TG1]

Hi, Another One and welcome!

I guess you've seen the other current thread on this topic at http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=21763 ... ? If not, go read that.

Would your wife change her cell phone number?

Can she block the numbers that are calling her?

Can you exchange cell phones with her and then you deal directly with the problem yourself, rather than through her (that's gotta be a hassle for you both)?

Other ideas, folks?

 

[Natalie]

Although reasonably advanced in services (L's, exec in an Org) I've been off lines for at least 12 years.

Moved with no forwarding address 8 years ago, cancelled 2 land phones with no forwarding # over that time - finally disconnected the line entirely.

Somehow they found my address and phones, can't figure how.

They've shown up at my house and work.

The crazy mail (bags per week) finally dwindled after much communication explaining they are just creating antagonism. The remaining crap I get I just take full advantage of their business reply envelopes to remind them that they are wasting $$.

Went through a period where calls where just never ending, 100's, even Sunday early mornings or weekdays after 10pm. That is when I decided it wasn't worth the aggravation and simply killed my last land line rather than just changing the # again. That was maybe 2 years ago.

Somehow recently they started calling my wife's cell # asking for me - both from Miami, Clearwater, West Coast and someplace else. Multiple calls a day, I think the first was at 8am yesterday (Sunday).


1) How are they getting these numbers? Not from any of their files or public records.

2) I can do the "Xenu is going to come across the wall of fire and steal your Internet" bit to the poor soul that happened to dial me but that is just pissing in the wind, someone else will call in a few hours.

Aggravating and while I was a passive ex before the continued upset that they are causing my family is making me want to start taking an active role in
stopping them.

Talk about creating enemies. New to this forum and it seems like a reasonable place, I'm sure not the place to start a rally in my anger but would welcome any advise on how to deal with this craziness.

BTW, has a lot changed in the last 15 years or so? Seems like Scn has taken a crazy(er)(est) turn since!

Most staff calling won't know who Xenu is. Start telling them that many are leaving the Sea Org and they can too, and give them that 800 number for X-Sea Org. You can also write that on promo and do a return to sender. They also move pretty quick to get you off mailing list when you write messages about David Miscavige on their mail and send it back.

Failing that, ask them to call you on your 800 number and give them the number to a suicide prevention hotline.

 

[Arthur Dent]

I like TG1's idea of blocking the numbers... I think you can usually do this by going online to your carrier's website or by calling in.

I save all the numbers that they call me on (from back when I picked up accidentally and it was them!) and assign them a name...Gold, Flag, Reg, etc. and when they call again I know it's them and just don't answer. I also don't answer if there is no caller ID.

 

[IMMORTAL]

Although reasonably advanced in services (L's, exec in an Org) I've been off lines for at least 12 years.

Moved with no forwarding address 8 years ago, cancelled 2 land phones with no forwarding # over that time - finally disconnected the line entirely.

Somehow they found my address and phones, can't figure how.

They've shown up at my house and work.

The crazy mail (bags per week) finally dwindled after much communication explaining they are just creating antagonism. The remaining crap I get I just take full advantage of their business reply envelopes to remind them that they are wasting $$.

Went through a period where calls where just never ending, 100's, even Sunday early mornings or weekdays after 10pm. That is when I decided it wasn't worth the aggravation and simply killed my last land line rather than just changing the # again. That was maybe 2 years ago.

Somehow recently they started calling my wife's cell # asking for me - both from Miami, Clearwater, West Coast and someplace else. Multiple calls a day, I think the first was at 8am yesterday (Sunday).


1) How are they getting these numbers? Not from any of their files or public records.

2) I can do the "Xenu is going to come across the wall of fire and steal your Internet" bit to the poor soul that happened to dial me but that is just pissing in the wind, someone else will call in a few hours.

Aggravating and while I was a passive ex before the continued upset that they are causing my family is making me want to start taking an active role in
stopping them.

Talk about creating enemies. New to this forum and it seems like a reasonable place, I'm sure not the place to start a rally in my anger but would welcome any advise on how to deal with this craziness.

BTW, has a lot changed in the last 15 years or so? Seems like Scn has taken a crazy(er)(est) turn since!

WELCOME!

Yeah, I know how you feel on this. There is a USPS Form 1500 Application or Listing for Prohibitory Order you could file for the paper mail.

I've done the getting rid of a land line, changing cellphone numbers, and blocking as many numbers on my cellphone as allowed. They still get the number and call from a different caller ID, different city/state. I was ready to change my cellphone number again. But first, I had a male friend answer the phone and pretend they were the owner of the number. He got very irate saying he was not the person, didn't know who the person way, and was tired of getting the fucking calls from all over the country. He was told the number would be removed.

So far so good. We'll see how long it lasts. It's only been a few days.

Yes, talk about creating antagonism and enemies. They are taking themselves down.

 

[Sindy]

Although reasonably advanced in services (L's, exec in an Org) I've been off lines for at least 12 years.

Moved with no forwarding address 8 years ago, cancelled 2 land phones with no forwarding # over that time - finally disconnected the line entirely.

Somehow they found my address and phones, can't figure how.

They've shown up at my house and work.

The crazy mail (bags per week) finally dwindled after much communication explaining they are just creating antagonism. The remaining crap I get I just take full advantage of their business reply envelopes to remind them that they are wasting $$.

Went through a period where calls where just never ending, 100's, even Sunday early mornings or weekdays after 10pm. That is when I decided it wasn't worth the aggravation and simply killed my last land line rather than just changing the # again. That was maybe 2 years ago.

Somehow recently they started calling my wife's cell # asking for me - both from Miami, Clearwater, West Coast and someplace else. Multiple calls a day, I think the first was at 8am yesterday (Sunday).


1) How are they getting these numbers? Not from any of their files or public records.

2) I can do the "Xenu is going to come across the wall of fire and steal your Internet" bit to the poor soul that happened to dial me but that is just pissing in the wind, someone else will call in a few hours.

Aggravating and while I was a passive ex before the continued upset that they are causing my family is making me want to start taking an active role in
stopping them.

Talk about creating enemies. New to this forum and it seems like a reasonable place, I'm sure not the place to start a rally in my anger but would welcome any advise on how to deal with this craziness.

BTW, has a lot changed in the last 15 years or so? Seems like Scn has taken a crazy(er)(est) turn since!

I know it doesn't make it easier in the short run but know that what you are looking at is the last agonizing death throes of a psychotic cult.

A caged hamster going round and round eating its own tail.

It's almost over.

 

[Mystic]

Hi AnotherOne, welcome to ESMB.

I hadn't been around those crazy people for 20 years and a couple of years ago I got a call trying to sell me "The Basics". Oh gimme ah break. I was nice enough and told them I just wasn't interested.

Then another call a couple of weeks later. Well, I saw the handwriting on the wall the screamed into the phone something like "Take your fucking basics and shove 'em up dead Hubbard's ass." And hung up.

Haven't heard from them in a couple of years.

 

[Infinite]

Welcome Another One.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

AnotherOne, yep, they'll do their best to track people down and seem to be reaching further and futher back, like folks who left are going to forget why they did or something equally illogical.
I rather liked Mysty's approach

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Hi AnotherOne, welcome to ESMB.

I hadn't been around those crazy people for 20 years and a couple of years ago I got a call trying to sell me "The Basics". Oh gimme ah break. I was nice enough and told them I just wasn't interested.

Then another call a couple of weeks later. Well, I saw the handwriting on the wall the screamed into the phone something like "Take your fucking basics and shove 'em up dead Hubbard's ass." And hung up.

Haven't heard from them in a couple of years.

Somewhere, in some org, there is a Scientologist on a pink sheet--doing tone scale drills, practicing using boredom on an antagonistic person to bring them uptone. That Scientologist is your caller...

When they pass the drill, they will be calling you again...

MYSTIC
You again?!
Fuck off Fuck Off Fuck Off!!
Hubbard's dead!
Fuck Off Fuck Off Fuck Off!!

SCIENTOLOGIST CALLER
Ohhhh, ho-hum......whatever...(yawn)

MYSTIC
(uptone)
Hey! I'd love to order 2 sets of Basics!​

 

[Mystic]

No, make that 3 sets of Basics. Yeah? OK.

Now bend over.

 

[Freeminds]

Junk mail, junk calls, junk religion.

Every person who ever bought a copy of DMSMH (or some other crap, just to be allowed out of the Clam Shop) is considered to be a Scientologist. Forever. With real membership melting away like a snowball in July, Clearwater is scraping the barrel harder and harder, in an effort to get some former victims back on lines. Not so much because it works, but because it's a means of being seen to do something. It's a stat to report.

Thus far, I've heard of it snaring just one former victim.

The cult machinery that's used to "find the ruin" of critics - basic private eye stuff - can also be used to track down former members. It's not hard to do, and it's probably cheaper than ever before, given how everything's become electronic. In some cases, the purpose might be intimidation ("we know where you live...") and in others they may genuinely believe that you will want to buy what they have to offer.

The psychology of spammers is significant. Research suggests that many spammers believe that what they are sending you isn't spam. Whether it's fuel additives, double glazing or the exorcism of fictional alien ghosts who died in a volcano, spammers dislike spam but don't see their own contribution as anything other than an important message that you will want to receive. I suppose you have to be an incurable 'believer' (in your product, or in human stupidity) or you'd have given up and got an honest job years ago. (**Looks pointedly at the people who make these calls. When you signed up for eternity, was this what you planned on doing?**)

It's possible to 'disappear' completely if you really need to. Witness protection programmes make this happen all the time... but it's a painful process. In fact, it's a lot like Scientology, in that you end up disconnected from your friends and much of your family.

It doesn't take much to leave pointers to your new location. Bills that get transferred to your new address rather than just paid up and account closed, postal forwarding, social media, relatives (a private eye calls, with a convincing story)... even simply telling the neighbours which city you're moving to makes it easier to track you down.

Still, why should you have to start thinking like a hunted criminal? The criminals are those who run the Cult of Scientology, not its former victims.

Email can have extra spam filters, of course. Some modern email tools are very good at being 'trained' to see things you consider spam, and things you don't. Other than that, exactly what you can do varies from one country no another. In some countries, phone companies are obliged to provide an answering/forwarding service for people who receive lots of nuisance calls. Mail can be similarly sorted and intercepted.

Legally, you might even be looking at seeking a restraining order, or something. Exact details will vary from state to state, I'm sure.

Personally, I have a log fire in the living room; send all the postal junk you like, and I'll put it to good use. As for phone calls, I remember the old joke, "How do you keep an idiot in suspense? -- I'll tell you next week."

My variant of this, for junk calls of all kinds is "I'll just get him for you..." or "One moment please..." and then I put the phone under a cushion and leave it there for twenty minutes or so.

Anything that costs Wee Davey's minions time and/or money is a good thing, as it brings the end of the scam closer. IMHO.

 

[Sindy]

Somewhere, in some org, there is a Scientologist on a pink sheet--doing tone scale drills, practicing using boredom on an antagonistic person to bring them uptone. That Scientologist is your caller...

When they pass the drill, they will be calling you again...

MYSTIC
You again?!
Fuck off Fuck Off Fuck Off!!
Hubbard's dead!
Fuck Off Fuck Off Fuck Off!!

SCIENTOLOGIST CALLER
Ohhhh, ho-hum......whatever...(yawn)

MYSTIC
(uptone)
Hey! I'd love to order 2 sets of Basics!​

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Every person who ever bought a copy of DMSMH (or some other crap, just to be allowed out of the Clam Shop) is considered to be a Scientologist. Forever. With real membership melting away like a snowball in July, Clearwater is scraping the barrel harder and harder, in an effort to get some former victims back on lines.Not so much because it works, but because it's a means of being seen to do something. It's a stat to report.
.

Brilliant!

And fascinating to consider that this is the very best idea that Scientology can think of to get customers. It is some sort of desperate, mad search for warm bodies that have any connection to Scientology, even if it is that they absolutely hate it.

I just today received a call from someone at an org looking for me. It's one of those calls I get every 9 months or so. I told the gentleman directly that the person he was looking for was not at this number and hung up. So, he calls me back 30 seconds later.

What kind of pathetic imbecilic promotional tool is that supposed to be? What is he doing, running the "command" repetitively?

Strikingly, what Scientologists have not realized is that the MOST DIFFICULT (if not impossible) person to close is a person who has already been in Scientology.

What they don't understand (because they are Scientologists) is that the MORE you know about Scientology (e.g. you have been in an org and done services) the LESS likely you are to want Scientology.

What fools people about this equation is the middle curve where the person THINKS they are learning Scientology but they are just learning the sugar-frosted-facade. There is a reason that OT VII's and VIIIs and Class XII's and former Staff Members and Ex Sea Org members are the most antipathetic to Scientology.

The more REALITY you have on Scientology the less AFFINITY and COMMUNICATION you have with it. The ARC Triangle is a complete hoax.

I'd like to see someone prove otherwise.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I like TG1's idea of blocking the numbers... I think you can usually do this by going online to your carrier's website or by calling in.

I save all the numbers that they call me on (from back when I picked up accidentally and it was them!) and assign them a name...Gold, Flag, Reg, etc. and when they call again I know it's them and just don't answer. I also don't answer if there is no caller ID.

Unfortunately, this solution doesn't work in Australia because numbers between carriers are often blocked which means a no-number call could be the one you've been waiting for all day...

In Australia, we have a "DO NOT CALL" register to block vacuum cleaner and detergent salespeople. Unfortunately "charities" are exempt! My solution was to get my phone number listed under an entirely fictitious name--if someone wants to speak to "Mr Cruise" I know instantly that it's someone working the phonebook. "No. There's no Mr Cruise here. You must have a wrong number." It's also good for spotting junk mail!

 

[Kookaburra]

A The remaining crap I get I just take full advantage of their business reply envelopes to remind them that they are wasting $$.

Good one!

BTW, has a lot changed in the last 15 years or so? Seems like Scn has taken a crazy(er)(est) turn since!

Yes, it's gone completely off the deep end. I've been out 20 years and I was astounded when I got on the internet and found out what was going on. I mean, it was crazy when I left, and it had been having its little episodes for quite some time, but then it went completely berserk. It is currently full of zombies who don't question anything. If they do, they are punished by years in a slave labour camp. Scientologists are not allowed to read on the internet or watch or listen to any programs about Scn, nor are they allowed to talk to friends or family members who are not 100% on board. They've squirreled the tech and are bleeding people dry for donations with no exchange. They viciously attack anyone who says anything negative about Scn or DM. SO members are expected to abort their children.

Most staff calling won't know who Xenu is. Start telling them that many are leaving the Sea Org and they can too, and give them that 800 number for X-Sea Org. You can also write that on promo and do a return to sender. They also move pretty quick to get you off mailing list when you write messages about David Miscavige on their mail and send it back.

Failing that, ask them to call you on your 800 number and give them the number to a suicide prevention hotline.

Natalie's got the right idea! Utilize those letters and calls to wake up the staff.

 

[Sindy]

After all these years of incessant call-in, often by overzealous and green staff members, coupled with poor service, continuous stat pushes and being bled to death for money...orgs accumulate stacks of Central Files folders labeled "ARC Broken". Yeah, no shit, but the label somehow indicates that this person has a problem or condition independent from the org personnel's behavior.

Some of these folders show some real hard core exasperation. but the staff member can gloss over this as this cannot be the "real why" for the request to get off the mailing list or to stop receiving calls.

Everyone, deep down, wants Scientology. They not only want it, as beings they are starved without it and have been looking for it their entire, never ending, existence. The disgruntled person just doesn't know this so it's up to the wise and savvy staff member to simply ignore the person's upset (except to apply the tech to it) and to steer them back to that $3,000,00 book package that is going to salvage his or her rotting soul.

Can you imagine what the world would be like if every organization that sold something had this same philosophy?

Sales Manager of Joe's Auto Supply
(Speaking to his sales team)
"K, now boys, you need to start sellin'
some more mud flaps.
We've got boxes of 'em near reachin'
the ceilin' and these things gotta move.
Now we all know that the best people to
sell these to are the people who bought from
us in the past. Am I right? Now, I see some of
you boys have caught on to this and ya been
makin' lotsa calls but still they ain't buyin' Now,
I done looked in those folders of the folks ya
been callin' and they're fit to be tied.
These people are pissed off."

Salesman
"Joe, they don't want the mud flaps.
They're defective. We can't give these
things away."

Sales Manager
"Oh, now come on boys.
Any mud flap is better than
no mud flap. We know that and
they know that deep down too.

Let me ask you all somethin' since
you're so smart. Do all these people
have vehicles?"


Salesmen
(in unison)
"Yes"

Sales Manager
"Is there dirt almost everywhere?"

Salesmen
(in unison)
"Yes"

Sales Manager
"Do most people wanna heep
their vehicles clean?"

Salesmen
(in unison)
"Yes"

Sales Manager
"Do you see what
I'm gettin' at?

You, by not persistin' in getting
them through whatever, and I mean
WHATEVER it takes to get these
mud flaps is a crime against these
people. By my logic I have already
shown you people how everyone
really needs and wants these mud flaps.

What are you standin' here for. Go sell
these people some mud flaps and let's make
a better world."
​

Gee, now that I read through this, maybe all organizations that sell things do have these same tactics but, they aren't religions.

Religions shouldn't be selling eternity. I guess that's the point.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

After all these years of incessant call-in, often by overzealous and green staff members, coupled with poor service, continuous stat pushes and being bled to death for money...orgs accumulate stacks of Central Files folders labeled "ARC Broken". Yeah, no shit, but the label somehow indicates that this person has a problem or condition independent from the org personnel's behavior.

Some of these folders show some real hard core exasperation. but the staff member can gloss over this as this cannot be the "real why" for the request to get off the mailing list or to stop receiving calls.

Everyone, deep down, wants Scientology. They not only want it, as beings they are starved without it and have been looking for it their entire, never ending, existence. The disgruntled person just doesn't know this so it's up to the wise and savvy staff member to simply ignore the person's upset (except to apply the tech to it) and to steer them back to that $3,000,00 book package that is going to salvage his or her rotting soul.

Can you imagine what the world would be like if every organization that sold something had this same philosophy?

Sales Manager of Joe's Auto Supply
(Speaking to his sales team)
"K, now boys, you need to start sellin'
some more mud flaps.
We've got boxes of 'em near reachin'
the ceilin' and these things gotta move.
Now we all know that the best people to
sell these to are the people who bought from
us in the past. Am I right? Now, I see some of
you boys have caught on to this and ya been
makin' lotsa calls but still they ain't buyin' Now,
I done looked in those folders of the folks ya
been callin' and they're fit to be tied.
These people are pissed off."

Salesman
"Joe, they don't want the mud flaps.
They're defective. We can't give these
things away."

Sales Manager
"Oh, now come on boys.
Any mud flap is better than
no mud flap. We know that and
they know that deep down too.

Let me ask you all somethin' since
you're so smart. Do all these people
have vehicles?"


Salesmen
(in unison)
"Yes"

Sales Manager
"Is there dirt almost everywhere?"

Salesmen
(in unison)
"Yes"

Sales Manager
"Do most people wanna heep
their vehicles clean?"

Salesmen
(in unison)
"Yes"

Sales Manager
"Do you see what
I'm gettin' at?

You, by not persistin' in getting
them through whatever, and I mean
WHATEVER it takes to get these
mud flaps is a crime against these
people. By my logic I have already
shown you people how everyone
really needs and wants these mud flaps.

What are you standin' here for. Go sell
these people some mud flaps and let's make
a better world."
​

Gee, now that I read through this, maybe all organizations that sell things do have these same tactics but, they aren't religions.

Religions shouldn't be selling eternity. I guess that's the point.

Follow-up sales was a well-established strategy long before $cn came along. The point is, all these people have new mud flaps and unless they've been damaged there's no need to replace them. So the sales people will then try to sell tyre-black or hub caps.

Scientology tells you that the mud flaps you have already purchased are not the "real" mud flaps, that they need repair (at your cost) and you should be trained on manufacturing, fitting and selling mud flaps.

 

[Sindy]

Follow-up sales was a well-established strategy long before $cn came along. The point is, all these people have new mud flaps and unless they've been damaged there's no need to replace them. So the sales people will then try to sell tyre-black or hub caps.

Scientology tells you that the mud flaps you have already purchased are not the "real" mud flaps, that they need repair (at your cost) and you should be trained on manufacturing, fitting and selling mud flaps.

What a wacky religion.

Thanks for summing it up for me. I think I need a cup of coffee.

 

[Gadfly]

The more REALITY you have on Scientology the less AFFINITY and COMMUNICATION you have with it. The ARC Triangle is a complete hoax.

I'd like to see someone prove otherwise.

Hoaxie, I will step up to the plate! (were you baiting me?)

I found the same error, that you make, very common with so many Church members when I was still around them.

The "pure" definition of "affiinity" is "willingness to be in the same space as". One needs to understand and USE that definition for the ARC concept to remain entirely workable.

Affinity can also LOOSELY be thought of as "degree of liking", but it is NOT the same thing, and far too many people equate "affinity" with "liking or loving". While emotional affinity might be thought of as "degree of liking", intellectual affinity need not at all involve the idea of "liking".

I will give a few examples that will easily make my point. One must notice the difference between an actuality and "data about some actuality".

For example, lets say that some investigative reporter wants to look into the history and behavior of the Taliban. Back when 9/11 happened, there was a great video on TV where a reporter went "undercover" to film various aspects of the Taliban. She even got footage of executions by rifle in an old soccer stadium. This person MUST be "willing to be in the same space as" the atrocities, or otherwise, the person could never learn about the details of what was going on.

So, the AFFINITY goes way UP according to the true definition. Also, obviously, REALITY goes way up as the reporter, and us the viewers, get a firsthand peak at ACTUAL realities of life with the Taliban. The reporter and us COMMUNICATE with the images captured by the camera. And, we end up with a FAR GREATER UNDERSTANDING of that area of life.

But do you "like" the Taliban? Do you have "love" for the executions? Of course not. My point, clearly made, is that ARC works to bring about an understanding in that situation, and it does NOT mean that ANY sort of "likingness" is required. In fact, after one has increased ARC "on the subject", one will probably have DISLIKE for the people and events related to the Taliban.

It always amazed me how Scientologists could NOT grasp that simple notion. That ARC is quite possible with antipathy involved.

The SAME is exactly true with Scientology.

Hoaxter, you DO HAVE a very high affinity for MANY ideas related to Scientology, because you ARE willing to "be in the same space" as those ideas. Cripes, you bring such ideas into you mind every day while posting. But, you find disdain for many of the ideas and practices.

One does NOT in any way have to "like" something to have affinity for it. THAT is the HUGE misunderstanding that most make - and granted, Hubbard seemed to let that misinterpretation slip by as it helped his Church.

As long as you are WILLING TO BE IN THE SAME SPACE AS SOMETHING, well then you have higher affinity.

I can study the history of the Spanish Inquisition, learn all about it, and greatly find fault with the many atrocities committed in the name of Christianity. BUT, and this is a BIG "but", I in no way violated ARC at any point in my coming to better understand the subject and ideas. I COMMUNICATED with the ideas and events by reading. My REALITY grew dramatically as I learned more and more about the exact details involved. I was entirely willing to be there with the descriptions of the events, and had INCREASED AFFINITY. Those three things enabled UNDERSTANDING.

Also, you AGREE with the reports of the events. You don't "agree that they were okay". There is a big difference there.

One also comes to dislike aspects of Scientology through the same type of ARC. Through "willingness to be in the same space as" (affinity), you come to experience events and situations that INCREASE your REALITY on the negative aspects of Hubbard, Scientology and the Church, and you gain in UNDERSTANDING. And of course, through ARC, properly understood, one comes to DISLIKE the ACTUALITY of the Church of Scientology.

Simply, you have affinity for the negative descriptions of Scientology, often based on actual events, and yet have little or no affinity for the events themselves. That is not some strange paradox, unless you try to think with "affinity" as "degree of liking".

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