The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[CarmeloOrchards]

No one in my family is starving (well... except for my trusty canine companion, who hasn’t had a square meal in yearssss!)

Today my wife is back in the hospital at Stanford, for the second time in two weeks (give or take). Going to see a doctor is not cheap. Going to Emergency is really fucking expensive. Having an operation in a world class hospital is amazingly expensive.

If you are SO, and you’re lucky, they let you get operations at LA County as a pauper.

If you have been in Sci long enough, you “know” that all illness and accidents are psycho somatic or pulled in.

Why waste money on insurance --- “betting against yourself’?

Better to live a good life and not commit the overts that cause you to pull in illness or accident.

My health insurance is $800 a month. That is a lot of money, up to the point where you realize a simple accident may cause a bill of $200,000. or $400,000. in the blink of an eye.

We have insurance, not great, but certainly adequate. We aren’t going to be hurting from this trip to Stanford. Insurance takes care of the bills. The bills are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. IT IS WORTH IT, insurance, that is.

We have some friends (both class Vllls), one of whom came down with the Big C, some years back. No insurance. Arrogance is a bitch. It cost them tons of money, and their children pitched in with tons of money. In Scientological parlance, not having insurance is an overt on yourselves and your next of kin.

By the way, my trusty canine is insured also.

 

[Hatshepsut]

They'd better treat you well.

 

[FoTi]

We had an old timer around by that name in the 70s.

Who is it selling that liquid that you drink or put on your skin that works miracles and boosts your immune system. You posted the address and a video for me a month ago. I wanted to know if he's the same guy. Could not find your post to compare again the two vids.

I took the link down because there was too much kerfluffle over it...I got attacked for posting it, but since you asked..... Here is a link with a lot of his videos. I have no idea if he was ever in Scientology. He's around 80 now, so if he was in Scientology in the 70's, he would have been around 40ish back then.

He doesn't sell it, he just wrote the book on it. He has no connection with the sale of the product.....he just makes money off the book sales.

I purchased the product at http://oceanslab.com/ I also purchased Jim Humble's book from there when I first bought the product. If you decide to get it, make sure that you also order the book because the different ways to use it are in the second half of the book. The first half of the book is online and free to read here... http://www.miraclemineral.org/

Here's your link for the Jim Humble videos.... http://www.google.com/search?source...ved=0CEgQqwQ&bav=on.2,or.&fp=e63e90ac70623278

 

[smartone]

Carmelo - your post is straight from the heart and very brilliant. I just had a comment on the two sentences I highlighted above in blue, "A good auditor knows the question to ask of the PC in front of him/her. It really isn't a rote process."

I believe your statements to be true but to be a good auditor and know instinctively or intuitively the right question to ask really requires a virtuoso as an auditor, a person for whom auditing is an art and not a technology. Such as person is a master and knows his/her subject inside out.

The ability to know the right question to ask instinctively is a gift which you have but realistically, not everyone who studies to be an auditor is going to be able to attain this ability.

In all fairness to Hubbard, he was trying to provide a cook book approach, i.e. a rote process for every situation where someone who had partial understanding rather than full understanding could fall back on a cook book command and without fully understanding why, come up with a good result.

He was going after successfully processing the entire planet and needed large numbers of auditors to even make a dent in this task. I can see why, under these conditions, he might have lowered his standards to just giving everybody rote commands to use instead of concentrating on building up a corps of real masters. I am not condoning his lowering of standards but I can see why he elected to go with rote commands.
Lakey

Quite. Excellent post the both of you.

I trained to Class V auditor and the best part I loved was when the C/S said "Get in 2-way comm with the pc". In fact, the pc indicators told me much more than the e-meter (just sayin). I felt uncomfortable with any rote rundowns and I hated having to write those frigging session worksheets.

 

[FoTi]

No one in my family is starving (well... except for my trusty canine companion, who hasn’t had a square meal in yearssss!)

Today my wife is back in the hospital at Stanford, for the second time in two weeks (give or take). Going to see a doctor is not cheap. Going to Emergency is really fucking expensive. Having an operation in a world class hospital is amazingly expensive.

If you are SO, and you’re lucky, they let you get operations at LA County as a pauper.

If you have been in Sci long enough, you “know” that all illness and accidents are psycho somatic or pulled in.

Why waste money on insurance --- “betting against yourself’?

Better to live a good life and not commit the overts that cause you to pull in illness or accident.

My health insurance is $800 a month. That is a lot of money, up to the point where you realize a simple accident may cause a bill of $200,000. or $400,000. in the blink of an eye.

We have insurance, not great, but certainly adequate. We aren’t going to be hurting from this trip to Stanford. Insurance takes care of the bills. The bills are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. IT IS WORTH IT, insurance, that is.

We have some friends (both class Vllls), one of whom came down with the Big C, some years back. No insurance. Arrogance is a bitch. It cost them tons of money, and their children pitched in with tons of money. In Scientological parlance, not having insurance is an overt on yourselves and your next of kin.

By the way, my trusty canine is insured also.

Oh, dear. I hope your wife recovers quickly.

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks for the ack and the nice post Smart One!

Quite. Excellent post the both of you.

I trained to Class V auditor and the best part I loved was when the C/S said "Get in 2-way comm with the pc". In fact, the pc indicators told me much more than the e-meter (just sayin). I felt uncomfortable with any rote rundowns and I hated having to write those frigging session worksheets.

Thanks for the ack and the nice post! It is good to find out a little about you from your post. Very interesting! You always have a great Avatar! They are always fun to look at. Good to have you reading this thread and contributing!
Gary

 

[Hatshepsut]

Here's your link for the Jim Humble videos.... http://www.google.com/search?source...ved=0CEgQqwQ&bav=on.2,or.&fp=e63e90ac70623278

It looks like I''m not the only one who is trying to discern if this is the same person. Saw this below on a blog about MMS. The Scio Jim Humble was moonlighting with DMSO products. The ED of the mission was moonlighting with Shaklee products. Another with Amway. Not the same 'Humble' though.

Carita Lewis April 8, 2009 at 2:35 am
Dear Jim,

My husband and I just saw your video on MMS.
We are very impressed by this product and want to try it right away.
I wonder if you knew, in your youth, a man called L.Ron Hubbard? He is a brilliant Author and a Founder of Scientology as well.
We are Scientologists. I would highly recommed his books to you as you mention that you are a spiritual person.” Scientology- the Fundamentals of thought”, ” Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health” and ” New Slant on Life” are a few ones I would suggest for reading.
I wish to give you our admiration for making an effort to help so many people with your product! You are a hero already!

Lots of success !

Mrs Carita Lewis

 

[FoTi]

It looks like I''m not the only one who is trying to discern if this is the same person. Saw this below on a blog about MMS. The Scio Jim Humble was moonlighting with DMSO products. The ED of the mission was moonlighting with Shaklee products. Another with Amway. Not the same 'Humble' though.

Jim Humble does talk about how he used DMSO with MMS to get rid of a melanoma very quickly. I tried that about a year ago and got rid of one too in about 3 days....no scar. It worked good.

 

[freet43]

wishing your wife is all better soon, Carmelo

and thinking of you too, Carmelo. Caring for an ailing loved one takes it's toll.

Do let me know, if there is anything I can do to help out.

Marina

 

[freet43]

that's a big difference from what is happening these days

Quite. Excellent post the both of you.

I trained to Class V auditor and the best part I loved was when the C/S said "Get in 2-way comm with the pc". In fact, the pc indicators told me much more than the e-meter (just sayin). I felt uncomfortable with any rote rundowns and I hated having to write those frigging session worksheets.

2-way-comm is no longer taught or practiced.... it is definitely a lost art....

Did you know that now there is an approved list of responses to be used in TR4? a long list that is supposed to cover every possible origination and what the allowed response is? jeez.

Marina

 

[Infinite]

Purple and I are going back to Cupertino this coming week. It is going to be P.S.'s 80th birthday. I am looking forward to meeting him. Purple will probably make more videos. At this point, I don't know if I'll make another video. I really don't have much more to recount regarding the Apollo and the Hubbard family . . . <snip> . . .

Oh, Lakey!! Disappoint am I. Perhaps you feel you have little further to offer in terms of life aboard the Apollo and the Hubbard family, but you certainly have plenty of candour. I was thrilled to note your statement, when talking about introducing new people to Scientology, at 02:00 into this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gctCNpdSoDc

" . . . a standard intro lecture which was called the Personal Efficiency Course, we could give a course like that but maybe break it into several parts. And then, another thing, once the person is indoctrinated they could be given the PCA test . . . "

Now, I'm definitely *not* saying that teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically is a good thing, but to hear a Scientologist, finally, being so honest about what dissemination is actually all about was really refreshing. Thank you.

I assume the PCA test is designed to uncover the new person's ruin. Would that be correct?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Lakey, ask Candy if she remembers Connelly Kelly from Orlando Mission who went to work as a taxi driver in Hawaii. I don't remember what Island he was on. But he got mugged on the job and the resultant bleeding in the brain caused his death soon after flying back to the states. It was so sad. He was well liked. It was early 1976.

 

[lkwdblds]

Not correct but good guess.

Oh, Lakey!! Disappoint am I. Perhaps you feel you have little further to offer in terms of life aboard the Apollo and the Hubbard family, but you certainly have plenty of candour. I was thrilled to note your statement, when talking about introducing new people to Scientology, at 02:00 into this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gctCNpdSoDc


Now, I'm definitely *not* saying that teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically is a good thing, but to hear a Scientologist, finally, being so honest about what dissemination is actually all about was really refreshing. Thank you.

I assume the PCA test is designed to uncover the new person's ruin. Would that be correct?

Good post Infinite!

On the word indoctrination, Candy also took me to task for using that word. What I had in mind was the softer use of the word as stated below from a Google search:

Indoctrination is the process of ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrinated - Definition in context

Another definition:

in·doc·tri·nate (n-dktr-nt)
tr.v. in·doc·tri·nat·ed, in·doc·tri·nat·ing, in·doc·tri·nates
1. To instruct in a body of doctrine or principles.
2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view: a generation of children who had been indoctrinated against the values of their parents


In the two definitions directly above, I was using #1 only.

Example, I remember the first day of Junior High School after graduating 6th grade at my elementary school. We first went to "Homeroom" and were taught the layout of the campus, we were assigned a hall locker with a combination, told where the gym was and what to wear for gym, told where the auditorium was for assemblies, told where the "shops" were located, i.e. wood shop, electric shop, metal shop and print shop, told how often grades came out and all that sort of data. This was the type of indoctrination which I was meaning.

Being taught by the Hitler Youth that the "Aryan race" is superior and that Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and people with body deformities should be exterminated by the state while Slavic peoples such as Czechs, Poles and Russians were only fit to grow crops for and serve their Aryan masters is also indoctrination but I was not intending that strong usage of the word.

Your catching that word is very astute and your challenge is excellent, Infinite. Speaking extemporaneously, sometimes one will use a word where another word would have sufficed much better - just ask Vice President Joe Biden, or George W. Bush or Sarah Palen. Nevertheless, after the tape was done, I knew that "indoctrination" might give people the wrong idea, but even now, over a week later, I can't think of another word which would better describe what I meant, i.e. "familiarizing newer people with the procedures of the PCA".

Your other question in your last sentence is also valid and excellent. To be accurate, I would say that the test is NOT designed to find anyone's ruin. The test was developed in the 1960's by Raymond Kemp and it was designed to give a personality profile or readout of the person's strengths and weaknesses. Probably it was originally used to program a person's case as to what areas to address and what processes to run on them.

We only indicate to the person that the low areas are weaknesses. We never tell or suggest to the client that the low area may be ruining their life. We do tell them that certain vital low areas may be pulling down other nearby areas in a related category.

The way we use the test is to give the person a pictorial profile of their strengths and weaknesses. We discuss these areas in detail sometimes taking 2 or 3 hours to go over the read out with them and we do that for free.

If the person asks us how to raise the low areas we tell them that we do an intro session for $25. If they like that and originate that they want to go further, we tell them that there is a charge for additional sessions of twice the intro rate. They can get the follow up sessions on an hourly basis. We do not sell them in blocks or packages. Say a two hour session is delivered. We deliver it and then they pay us afterward. If they say they are happy and don't need anymore sessions, we let them go with no effort made to "reg" them.

Infinity, I appreciate your well thought out questions and hope that this post answers them satisfactorily.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Okay Hats, I will ask her.

Lakey, ask Candy if she remembers Connelly Kelly from Orlando Mission who went to work as a taxi driver in Hawaii. I don't remember what Island he was on. But he got mugged on the job and the resultant bleeding in the brain caused his death soon after flying back to the states. It was so sad. He was well liked. It was early 1976.

Okay Hats, I will run this by her. I doubt very much if she knows this party because she left Hawaii to be on the Royal Scotsman in 1966 and continued on away from Hawaii through the end of her tenure at CCLA in 1972. Next, I believe she went to San Francisco with the two Franks, Dunn and Bloomer and Bloomer's wife. BTW, both Franks were 6'6" tall and were musicians. They used to perform at CCLA as "Gemini". Candy came back to L.A. in 1976 and opened her restaurant on Fairfax called the "Horn of Plenty.

I believe she sold the restaurant in 1977 and only then moved back to Hawaii for a long period. If that is her accurate chronology she would have missed meeting Connelly Kelly.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

I am experiencing a strange tech phenomena

Hats and you other tech mavens, I have been experiencing a phenomena which to me is unusual.

I was hearing some religious music by a well known classical composer while driving my car and I began to pick up some thoughts and pictures from the composer's mind from the bygone days when he wrote the music.

He was thinking something like, "I have to keep writing church and religious music as I did when I was a boy! This is one genre I don't want to let go of. It may give me an edge soon, in being considered for a full time and high paying job at a large Church." He thought further, "In a slow economy, such as we are in, the Church's income never goes down." The Churches and Cathedrals are impervious, as regards their income, to war time and a slow economy."

I am almost positive that I was not this person in a past life and yet I seem to be connected in some way to his thoughts from that period. Does anyone have an explanation for what is going on that would cause this to occur?
Lakey

 

[Ted]

Hats and you other tech mavens, I have been experiencing a phenomena which to me is unusual.

I was hearing some religious music by a well known classical composer while driving my car and I began to pick up some thoughts and pictures from the composer's mind from the bygone days when he wrote the music.

He was thinking something like, "I have to keep writing church and religious music as I did when I was a boy! This is one genre I don't want to let go of. It may give me an edge soon, in being considered for a full time and high paying job at a large Church." He thought further, "In a slow economy, such as we are in, the Church's income never goes down." The Churches and Cathedrals are impervious, as regards their income, to war time and a slow economy."

I am almost positive that I was not this person in a past life and yet I seem to be connected in some way to his thoughts from that period. Does anyone have an explanation for what is going on that would cause this to occur?
Lakey

Individuality, collectivism, and individuation are each an illusion. You can play one to the exclusion of the others, or all at the same time. Your Power of Choice is most likely not an illusion.

I have similar perceptions. Nothing remarkable. Nothing verifiable.

 

[Ted]

Lakey, what test--as referred to earlier--are you using?

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks for the ack on the tech and ....

Lakey, what test--as referred to earlier--are you using?

Ted, thanks for your technical pointer on the composer's pictures.

The "test" we are using is the PCA, similar to the OCA. Test is really a bad word to use for it. Nothing is really being tested; "profile" or "analysis" are better words to use when refering to it. PCA stands for Personal Capacity Analysis. There are a couple of differences between it and the Oxford Capacity Analysis used by the Orgs. The Oxford has 200 questions and the PCA has 210. Most of the first 200 questions are quite similar although sometimes they are worded slightly differently.

The main difference is in the answers. The OCA has only 3 categories, "yes, no and maybe". The PCA has these 3 but also adds "mostly yes", and "mostly no". To me, this is a huge improvement.

Often, taking an OCA profile, neither yes or no really filled the bill and you were instructed to use maybe as little as possible. Too many maybes and the test had to be thrown out. By adding the mostly yes and mostly no answers, it is much easier for most people to answer the questions.

This profile, developed by Raymond Kemp in the 1960's is available on the internet at no cost. The person takes it with the computer turned on and the answers are entered on the computer and then the computer instantly tallies the scores in each category. It would also make the graph but most people do not have a plotter on their computer so the graph is usually done by hand.
Lakey

 

[Mark A. Baker]

2-way-comm is no longer taught or practiced.... it is definitely a lost art....

Did you know that now there is an approved list of responses to be used in TR4? a long list that is supposed to cover every possible origination and what the allowed response is? jeez.

Marina

On the 'plus' side, it makes it easier to design and program a 'standard tech' robot auditor.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Carmelo - your post is straight from the heart and very brilliant. I just had a comment on the two sentences I highlighted above in blue, "A good auditor knows the question to ask of the PC in front of him/her. It really isn't a rote process."

I believe your statements to be true but to be a good auditor and know instinctively or intuitively the right question to ask really requires a virtuoso as an auditor, a person for whom auditing is an art and not a technology. Such as person is a master and knows his/her subject inside out.

The ability to know the right question to ask instinctively is a gift which you have but realistically, not everyone who studies to be an auditor is going to be able to attain this ability.

In all fairness to Hubbard, he was trying to provide a cook book approach, i.e. a rote process for every situation where someone who had partial understanding rather than full understanding could fall back on a cook book command and without fully understanding why, come up with a good result.

He was going after successfully processing the entire planet and needed large numbers of auditors to even make a dent in this task. I can see why, under these conditions, he might have lowered his standards to just giving everybody rote commands to use instead of concentrating on building up a corps of real masters. I am not condoning his lowering of standards but I can see why he elected to go with rote commands.
Lakey

I'd say it slightly differently....to my way of thinking a really good auditor was 'able to think with the tech' ( for lack of a better way of saying it ) and 'audit the PC in front of him".

To me, it was never rote when it was being done correctly.

And....some auditors did master their session communication to the point of being really fantastic .