The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[afaceinthecrowd]

Leon,

Great to have you back and I am thankful that you and yours are OK. Went through the power and water outage thing when I was a kid (from a flood)…it’s gets to be a real drag after awhile. So sad all this happened to such a beautiful town and good people.

Face

 

[Leon]

Thanks all!

 

[PFINNC]

I wonder Lakey . . .

Some time ago at an old Church in Vienna I attended a live performance of W.A's C minor Mass. I was overcome with grief throughout the entire performance. I can't rightly say whether it was my own or another's but I was very moved to say the least.

Thanks for sharing your experience.
PF

 

[lkwdblds]

Here's Roger's observations and experience on the question Lakey asked to which there have been some very good answers already

Inherently, we are infinitely present. That is, without limit as to time or space. We screwed things up by introducing the appearance of "location" and/or "limitations" of being.

Thus we, in truth, can be aware (at) anywhere we choose . . . if we have any remaining (or restored) power of choice or volition of doing so.

But the thing not discussed by Lakey nor in the replies is the issue of the original intention of the musician that Lakey became aware of

Here is Roger's explanation on that point. It is a point I have dealt with on a number of times and found to be factual.

The thought/intention created or envisioned by the musician, as articulated by Lakey, was created without any time constraint. In other words it was created to continue in existence as the musician's ongoing solution continuum . . . and thus, the moment Lakey contacted the Being "to see what was up" Lakey will have collided with that ongoing continuum of "now in existence solution."

It isn't/wasn't a past that was perceived . . . it was the now continuum that had been created/emanated in a point of time now considered to be (or is viewed as being) in or of the past.

These are the subtle distinctions regarding time and space that one can learn to discern as one advances with one's awareness.

One of the hardest lessons folks pursuing the self enlightenment path we are on have to learn (to handle) is that of being able to recognize and to unravel these types of nuances and in particular the trick of the "now continuum" and how it came about/was brought into being.

I'll not get into the various nuances of consideration or intention that bring it about at this time, but instead leave it to you to have the fun of discovery for yourselves

But what I will say is this, in the spiritual universe(s) it is all now, no physical universe time change except for what is actually introduced by you or agreed by you if created by another.

Rog

Very, very informative comments. Thank you very much, Rog! I highlighted my favorite portions of it in blue. Taping into the "now continuum" is something very exciting to ponder.
Lakey

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Yep!

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks for sharing this.

I wonder Lakey . . .

Some time ago at an old Church in Vienna I attended a live performance of W.A's C minor Mass. I was overcome with grief throughout the entire performance. I can't rightly say whether it was my own or another's but I was very moved to say the least.

Thanks for sharing your experience.
PF

PF, thank you for sharing your similar experience. I have been hearing W.A.'s Ave Verum Corpus, K618, a lot lately on a CD in my car. This was one of the last things Mozart wrote about 4 1/2 months before his untimely and premature death.

I have enclosed a video. I had no idea that Andre Bocceli sang this at Pavarotti's funeral just a year or two ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL69Z0Ru5Z0&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Lakey

 

[smartone]

Thanks for the ack and the nice post! It is good to find out a little about you from your post. Very interesting! You always have a great Avatar! They are always fun to look at. Good to have you reading this thread and contributing!
Gary

Thanks Gary. This is definitely an interesting thread....

 

[smartone]

Hats and you other tech mavens, I have been experiencing a phenomena which to me is unusual.

I was hearing some religious music by a well known classical composer while driving my car and I began to pick up some thoughts and pictures from the composer's mind from the bygone days when he wrote the music.

He was thinking something like, "I have to keep writing church and religious music as I did when I was a boy! This is one genre I don't want to let go of. It may give me an edge soon, in being considered for a full time and high paying job at a large Church." He thought further, "In a slow economy, such as we are in, the Church's income never goes down." The Churches and Cathedrals are impervious, as regards their income, to war time and a slow economy."

I am almost positive that I was not this person in a past life and yet I seem to be connected in some way to his thoughts from that period. Does anyone have an explanation for what is going on that would cause this to occur?
Lakey

Very interesting experience you had there.

I arrived in Los Angeles for the Wallersheim trial back in 1986ish. At the candlelight vigil I heard everybody singing the song America The Beautiful. It was the first time I had heard this song (me being a Brit) and I was moved to tears. It's such a beautiful song.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Here's Roger's observations and experience on the question Lakey asked to which there have been some very good answers already

Inherently, we are infinitely present. That is, without limit as to time or space. We screwed things up by introducing the appearance of "location" and/or "limitations" of being.

Thus we, in truth, can be aware (at) anywhere we choose . . . if we have any remaining (or restored) power of choice or volition of doing so.

But the thing not discussed by Lakey nor in the replies is the issue of the original intention of the musician that Lakey became aware of

Here is Roger's explanation on that point. It is a point I have dealt with on a number of times and found to be factual.

The thought/intention created or envisioned by the musician, as articulated by Lakey, was created without any time constraint. In other words it was created to continue in existence as the musician's ongoing solution continuum . . . and thus, the moment Lakey contacted the Being "to see what was up" Lakey will have collided with that ongoing continuum of "now in existence solution."

It isn't/wasn't a past that was perceived . . . it was the now continuum that had been created/emanated in a point of time now considered to be (or is viewed as being) in or of the past.

These are the subtle distinctions regarding time and space that one can learn to discern as one advances with one's awareness.

One of the hardest lessons folks pursuing the self enlightenment path we are on have to learn (to handle) is that of being able to recognize and to unravel these types of nuances and in particular the trick of the "now continuum" and how it came about/was brought into being.

I'll not get into the various nuances of consideration or intention that bring it about at this time, but instead leave it to you to have the fun of discovery for yourselves

But what I will say is this, in the spiritual universe(s) it is all now, no physical universe time change except for what is actually introduced by you or agreed by you if created by another.
Rog

I had a revelation about this yesterday. It was about the 'haves' and 'can't haves' that people run on each other regarding their 'futures.' We are more apt to look at the things we DO to each other than take into account the 'experiences' we psychically project for each other. The worst of us burn into each other's energetics fields imagery of events to unfold in the future. The expectation is that certain things will be experienced by the individual targeted...or won't be.

My jaw dropped as I was looking at this phenomena. When young, we naturally 'pick up' what kind of future we will have or what life we should expect to unfold in the future by the 'options' we see around us. A native living deep in the Amazon Rain Forest isn't going to imagine being a hair dresser on 42nd street for theatrical performers. Future experiences are created in the NOW and the postulate is that it will unfold 'then'. Its all about the mental impressions. And it all hangs there Now.

I realized that those I avoided were the ones who deliberatedly ARC broke you so that you exuded a ridge of life force and then adeptly burnt in impressions of how you will 'experience' this or that or be this quality or that bad one. These types effort to create the future of another in the NOW as a make wrong. When we look at the havingness games played we often look at substance issues. We don't often look at what 'experiences' or futures we can have another enjoy or don't WANT them to enjoy. Experiential outcomes is how we determine who is winning. Just go to a class reunion.

How many talk shows have we seen where the guest celebrities tell of their experiences where it was strongly impressed upon them that they should stick with shining shoes etc. This is what we DO to each other. The dramas we impress into each other. There is an imprint etched into the lifeforce by these desires.

A woman walks out on a man and he says, "You will never find anyone to put up with you the way I do. (postulate) No one will hire you. (envisioned) You'll be back. (intention) You'll end up just the way you did when your first husband left you." (hoped for) etc etc. These are an effort to causatively script an 'experience'. The desire sits expectantly in the now. If a person is in a receiving modality and lets others postulate for him or set goals for him as he used to let his parents do....he could be dead in the water.

We create futures by impressing our dreams upon the fabric of this universe with our thoughts. A mind is probably made of a similar fabric.

The WebBot guy created a system of tracking what the collective human consciousness was creating by scanning zillions of key words and concepts going over the internet. These form a pattern of what possible events should happen in the future. It was amazing to me how accurate the accrued evaluated data had become. It's on YouTube __ Clif High on The Veritas Show.

I have a lot more BPC on what another is creating 'for' me or trying to impress on me will happen in my future (to make them right) than I do over actual 'dones'.

I'm still impressionable.

 

[AnonyMary]

Hats and you other tech mavens, I have been experiencing a phenomena which to me is unusual.

I was hearing some religious music by a well known classical composer while driving my car and I began to pick up some thoughts and pictures from the composer's mind from the bygone days when he wrote the music.

He was thinking something like, "I have to keep writing church and religious music as I did when I was a boy! This is one genre I don't want to let go of. It may give me an edge soon, in being considered for a full time and high paying job at a large Church." He thought further, "In a slow economy, such as we are in, the Church's income never goes down." The Churches and Cathedrals are impervious, as regards their income, to war time and a slow economy."

I am almost positive that I was not this person in a past life and yet I seem to be connected in some way to his thoughts from that period. Does anyone have an explanation for what is going on that would cause this to occur?
Lakey

May I ask the name of the composer, Lakey?

Thanks

Mary

 

[FoTi]

I had a revelation about this yesterday. It was about the 'haves' and 'can't haves' that people run on each other regarding their 'futures.' We are more apt to look at the things we DO to each other than take into account the 'experiences' we psychically project for each other. The worst of us burn into each other's energetics fields imagery of events to unfold in the future. The expectation is that certain things will be experienced by the individual targeted...or won't be.

My jaw dropped as I was looking at this phenomena. When young, we naturally 'pick up' what kind of future we will have or what life we should expect to unfold in the future by the 'options' we see around us. A native living deep in the Amazon Rain Forest isn't going to imagine being a hair dresser on 42nd street for theatrical performers. Future experiences are created in the NOW and the postulate is that it will unfold 'then'. Its all about the mental impressions. And it all hangs there Now.

I realized that those I avoided were the ones who deliberatedly ARC broke you so that you exuded a ridge of life force and then adeptly burnt in impressions of how you will 'experience' this or that or be this quality or that bad one. These types effort to create the future of another in the NOW as a make wrong. When we look at the havingness games played we often look at substance issues. We don't often look at what 'experiences' or futures we can have another enjoy or don't WANT them to enjoy. Experiential outcomes is how we determine who is wining. Just go to a class reunion.

How many talk shows have we seen where the guest celebrities tell of their experiences where it was strongly impressed upon them that they should stick with shining shoes etc. Its what we DO to each other. The dramas we impress into each other. There is an imprint etched into the lifeforce by these desires.

A woman walks out on a man and he says, "You will never find anyone to put up with you the way I do. (postulate) No one will hire you. (envisioned) You'll be back. (intention) You'll end up just the way you did when your first husband left you." (hoped for) etc etc. These are an effort to causatively script an 'experience'. The desire sits expectantly in the now. If a person is in a receiving modality and lets others postulate for him or set goals for him as he used to let his parent do....he could be dead in the water.

We create futures by impressing our dreams upon the fabric of this universe with our thoughts. A mind is probably made of a similar fabric.

The WebBot guy created a system of tracking what the collective human consciousness was creating by scanning zillions of key words and concepts going over the internet. These form a pattern of what possible events should happen in the future. It was amazing to me how accurate the accrued evaluated data had become. It's on YouTube __ Clif High on The Veritas Show.

I have a lot more BPC on what another is creating 'for' me or trying to impress on me will happen in my future (to make them right) than I do over actual 'dones'.

I'm still impressionable.

Wow Hat! This is an incredible post! Thanks so very much for sharing this. I never saw this before.

 

[Jachs]

Hats says It was about the 'haves' and 'can't haves' that people run on each other regarding their 'futures.'

you always have a revelation hats.

When i saw this i saw Ron and CofS and what he and it cant have and convincing us to believe

 

[Leon]

Good post Hats

 

[Hatshepsut]

Thanks. That was my rant for the day.

But it's after midnignt now...so this here is another day

I had been going off on the way some place intentions in others' worlds or insert pieces of themselves in others or shove ideas into another's skull, or energetically imprint their own vision for an outcome into someone. Its a violation of another's right to run his own show.

I realized that it is S.O.P for some people to control their environment in this way. It's like me blaming a lion for eating meat, or a bird for pooping on my windshield. It's in their character to do that. Granting beingness and allowing people to own their own space and create their own world in a self-determined manner is what we all do. But there exists a unified field that is putty in the hands...it responds to intention. There is also an astral world with sort of an astral fluidity that runs through everything. These two lend themselves to becoming channels for creation by thought/intention. Thoughts carry through the matrix via these things. It's true that a person has to be 'weak' or predisposed to being the effect of someone else's WANTS in order to be put upon, but still....

If we were playing a game and everyone got dealt a card that represented an element of the universe, it could play out like this. Let's say I got dealt a tarot card representing WATER. If I was water.... I could say that I ran through everything and everyone. Water constitutes much of a human being. Its in your fruits, your vegetables, your intestines, everywhere. If I were the mind of water, whatever I 'felt' or intended could be made to resonnate through all of water's locations. I think its the same way with the astral world. Some use these avenues in a ubiquitous way to instill a communication. I have felt in the past that when the spirit melds with a body it has leant itseslf to becoming vulnerable to invisible influences.

:confused2:

Anyway, I just spent an hour valence splitting because I felt trapped under the 'umbrella' of someone else's WILL. I feel better now.

 

[FoTi]

Thanks. That was my rant for the day.

It was an awesome rant.

 

[RogerB]

Hats is brilliant and getting brillianter by the minute

A little note to add to the mix, Hats . . . "thought" and telepathically projected imagery is the "language of the spiritual Being."

R

 

[PFINNC]

Thank you Hats. You have articulated what I personally have noticed but was not ever quite able to put words to.

In my own experience I sometimes catch myself with an ugly involuntary intention for another's future. Usually I can 'nip it' then and there. I hadn't actually looked at others creating futures for me but as you write, there's a lot of it going on.

PF

 

[RogerB]

Hats and PF,

It is easy to "return the picture/vision/intention to sender" once you have spotted it.

Trouble is, most folks a) don't spot/recognize they have been "hit" with such and, b) don't think to or know they can send it back to the originator.

And it's equally easy to have or allow such images/intentions to cease to exist by simply spotting the exact source, (time and location and who) of origination (and also cleaning off any resist or change you introduced).

The trick is to spot its causation . . . not to get involved in the resistance of effect end of it

Most folks, when hit with this stuff get stuck at the effect and resistance end of it instead of spotting and dealing with its origination and causation end of it.

Rog

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Very good, Facey.

While I read I am going to myself, "This is what I was doing at that time. This is what Hubbard was doing. "

The duplicity is too much to bear without comment. I will post from the Mission viewpoint. Story follows...

 

[Ted]

TR-2

Hats and PF,

It is easy to "return the picture/vision/intention to sender" once you have spotted it.

Trouble is, most folks a) don't spot/recognize they have been "hit" with such and, b) don't think to or know they can send it back to the originator.

And it's equally easy to have or allow such images/intentions to cease to exist by simply spotting the exact source, (time and location and who) of origination (and also cleaning off any resist or change you introduced).

The trick is to spot its causation . . . not to get involved in the resistance of effect end of it

Most folks, when hit with this stuff get stuck at the effect and resistance end of it instead of spotting and dealing with its origination and causation end of it.

Rog

The trick is to return it as-is. That means nothing added of your own. Just send it back totally as-is. It is the perfect TR-2. I discovered this many years ago in doing the drill. The words, "okay, fine, alright, yada yada, VERY GOOD," are not the TR-2. Words are but part of the communication. Sure, if the pc needs to hear it because that is the channel he is tuned in on, okay. But send the exact, spiritual duplicate PLUS the verbal. The pc halts, so this should not be overdone. Half-acks are perfectly acceptable if you are running a session.