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The Scoop on St. Patrick

by Mike Krumboltz, 18 hours ago

Everybody is Irish on Saint Patrick's Day. So it's no surprise that just about everyone (and their Irish uncle) is looking up the history of the patron saint of the Emerald Isle.

Over the past 24 hours, Web searches for "st. patrick" and "who was st. patrick" have both tripled. Add to that the related searches on "was st. patrick really irish" and "did st. patrick get rid of all the snakes in ireland." Here now are some quick answers to those questions and more.

Was St. Patrick Irish?
According to History.com, St. Patrick was actually born in Britain. At the age of 16, he was captured by Irish raiders and transported across the sea to Ireland. After spending six years in captivity, Patrick escaped, traveled back to Britain, and trained to become a priest. Once his training was complete, he returned to Ireland "to minister to Christians already living in Ireland and to begin to convert the Irish."

Did St. Patrick rid Ireland of snakes?
Sorry, but no. It is true that there are no snakes in Ireland these days, but there never were any. National Geographic explains that because Ireland is surrounded by chilly waters, there is no way snakes could migrate there in the first place. National Geographic speculates that the snakes could be symbolic of the "pagan ways" that St. Patrick drove out of Ireland.

Did Patrick use clovers while preaching?
Legend says that he did. Catholic.org writes that Patrick used a three-leafed shamrock to explain the Holy Trinity to the locals. However, other sites call this story just a myth. And, by the way, a bit of trivia regarding four leaf clovers. They are indeed rare, but they aren't exactly one in a million. It is estimated that there is one four leaf clover for every 10,000 three-leaf ones.

Patrick's lasting legacy
According to author Thomas Cahill, Patrick may have been the first person in recorded history to speak out against slavery. In an interview with American Catholic, Cahill remarks: "The papacy did not condemn slavery as immoral until the end of the 19th century, but here is Patrick in the fifth century seeing it for what it is. I think that shows enormous insight and courage and a tremendous 'fellow feeling'—the ability to suffer with other people, and to understand what other people's suffering is like."
 
Tue Mar 15 04:00pm EDT

Players chip in to save coach’s life after Clippers decline medical coverage
By Kelly Dwyer


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Seven years ago, former Los Angeles Clippers head coach Kim Hughes was diagnosed with prostate cancer, and the ensuing aftermath will change the way you feel about several NBA types significantly.

Up until Tuesday afternoon, the only functional knowledge I had of former Los Angeles Clippers head coach Kim Hughes was that he was, in fact, a former Los Angeles Clippers head coach, and that he once touched his elbows on the rim in a lay-up line at a high school tournament in Illinois, which really impressed my father.

Beyond that, nothing. Until Tuesday afternoon, when Howard Beck brought this column to Trey Kerby's attention, and he brought it to our attention. And now we're passing the feel-good savings on to you, in the form of an anecdote that reveals that NBA players Corey Maggette(notes), Marko Jaric(notes), Chris Kaman(notes) and Elton Brand(notes) all chipped in to pay for expensive life-saving surgery for Hughes, after the Clippers organization (read: Donald Sterling, noted worst person in the world) declined to cover the costs.

Declined to cover the cost of a surgery that would save their employee's life. While playing rent-free in an often sold-out arena in America's second-biggest television market. Unyieldingly evil.

Gary Woelfel has the original story:
"Those guys saved my life," Hughes said. "They paid the whole medical bill. It was like $70,000 or more. It wasn't cheap.

"It showed you what classy people they are. They didn't want me talking about it; they didn't want the recognition because they simply felt it was the right thing to do."

Hughes said he will be forever grateful to Brand, Jaric, Kaman and Maggette. In fact, Hughes said every time he runs into any of them, he thanks them from the bottom of his heart.

Maggette said that was indeed the case, laughing how he has repeatedly told Hughes over the years it wasn't necessary.

"Kim thanks me every time he sees me; he does that every single time," Maggette said smiling. "I've said to him, 'Kim, come on. You don't have to do that. You're good.'

No, you're good, Corey Maggette. You're pretty fantastically good. And so are you, Marko Jaric, Elton Brand, and Chris Kaman.

And Donald Sterling? You remain a terrible, terrible person.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
God! If only this were true...Dancing in the streets!!

Dear All

On the occasion of the coming Easter and the spring, the Church of Scientology and the Sea Organization have given a general amnesty to all earlier blown, routed out or who didn't continue on their Bridge. EVERYONE can now come back without any freeloaderbill or other obligations. Earlier staff members will get their posts back from the day they show up again in their Org or Sea Org unit. Travel expences will be fully refunded on arrivel on presentation of used ticket etc.. You will be guranteed at least one day off pr.week whatever your stats look like and one extra day off for upstats. You will recieve free uniforms and salary as pr. the negotiations made with the different unions. Free room and board. Sea Oeg members will sign a ½ a billion year contract. Earlier served years will be credited. 6 weeks summer holidays as pr. the union rules and miscellaneous days off also in accordance to the negotiations with the unions. (Auditors Union, Supervisors Union, Ministers Union, Generel Staff Union and Exec Staff Unions. (The early GO Union has been banned as well as the RTC Union)).

I have recieved this unconditionally amnesty unconditionally. From the first of April, I will again be in the AOSH EU & AF as the NOTs Lead Auditor in the public HGC. I'll bring my mobile phone and computer and will always be contactable on these media.

Finally the Church and the Sea Org is waking up which we should all appreceate and welcome and return to our posts where we belong. I encurage all of you to follow my example.

We come back !!!

ARC - KRC

Per Schiøttz

NB: Remember this is true as of April 1st 2011 and has been send out in good time for your preparations. (Selling house, get rid of jobs and children etc etc...).

If only this were true, what a happy day that would be. C of S management finally seeing the light and reforming. Unfortunately, the date you selected reveals what is really happening.

WISHING YOU AN EARLY APRIL FOOL'S DAY:happydance:

Lakey
 
Again we see proof that Mark A. Baker thinks he is the only person on the planet who knows everything and the rest of us are deluded and have completely misconstrued the simplest stuff.

Also in Genesis:

“Behold, the man has become like one of US, knowing good and evil..." [Who is he telling to behold?]

and:

“Come, let US go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech..." [Who is he telling to come with him?]

If it is the Royal "we", why the hell is he talking to himself so much and asking himself to go with himself?

You are either a know-all bastard or you have no idea how to write a paragraph that doesn't annoy people.

Either way if I knew you personally, I'm convinced I would have decked you by now.


LTG

The problem: you are quoting english translations of original ancient hebrew documents prepared by doctrinal believers in particular interpretations of their doctrines and subsequently reinterpreting them based on your own considerations.

Do you see the flaw in your reasoning yet? :whistling:


Mark A. Baker
 
always a pleasure to hear from mr. baker

Then they shouldn't be in the 'business' of providing medical facilities to the public at large. If they do close their hospitals, then in those areas not served by other medical facilities it is not unlikely that local governments would use their constitutional power of 'eminent domain' to acquire those facilities and have them re-opened. Personally, I doubt the catholic church is willing to lose their assets on that basis. :D




Well goody for you both. How do you feel about the contrary proposition of requring a woman to risk her life, health, and future bearing a child she does not want? Personally I don't consider anyone has the right to insist that a woman carry a child to term against her will. That effectively denies a woman control of her own body.


Mark A. Baker

gee i wish i had more computer time and could type faster. i will give your intelligent comments a longer response as soon as i can.

i am confident the RCC will stick to their guns on this one. the catholic laity is getting abortions at the same rate as the general populace and they aren't playing hardball about it probably for obvious reasons but i think they have drawn a battle line this time.

as i have said mark, i ain't gonna tell my sister NO. yeh. i...uh..."understand". but i am pro-life. an abortion under the most forgivable of circumstances is a bitter tragedy. 4000 abortions daily in our country is a horror and a holocost.
 

LongTimeGone

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The problem: you are quoting english translations of original ancient hebrew documents prepared by doctrinal believers in particular interpretations of their doctrines and subsequently reinterpreting them based on your own considerations.

Do you see the flaw in your reasoning yet? :whistling:


Mark A. Baker

Goodness gracious me. It is the word of God, man!!! How would God allow his words to be misinterpreted? [Duh!! Amusement meant. No need to enter your usual diatribe].

I don't know what reasoning you are referring to... I have no reasoning with regard to this book or even care, I was simply pointing out to FoTi, in the original post, that the Bibles that FoTi and I might read, use the word OUR, not HIS.

Which is 100% correct. Whether or not it was misinterpreted in translation has no bearing on my statement.

Do you see the stupidity in the fact that you even commented on my original truthful statement yet? :whistling:

Baker, you were WRONG to even comment, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

LTG
 

LongTimeGone

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LTG - Thanks for the response. I highlighted in blue two of your key paragraphs and will comment on each:

First blue paragraph: I can see that you have to go with the King James version. Dennis Prager the radio talk show host comments on these types of things often. He is Jewish and quite well versed in the Bible and knows Hebrew.

The biblical commandment which Christians quote as "Though shalt not Kill!" according to Prager should be quoted as "Though shalt not Murder". I believe he said that that difference was the only difference in the Jewish and Christian versions of the Ten Commandments except possibly the order the commandments are given in.

Clearly "Though shalt not Kill!" is not a valid commandment. There are many instances where killing is necessary. If a madman was holding a machine gun and threatening to shoot up a plane in the air and cause it to crash and I was behind that madman with a hand gun, I would kill him. It is often necessary to kill in a war when one is defending their country. Heavens, in the Old Testament, David killed Goliath and is celebrated for that. Then there are mercy killings where someone is killed because they are terminally ill and in severe pain. Animals are often killed in this manner.

The Commandment should be voiced, "Thou shalt not Murder" and yet countless numbers of Christians quote Thou shalt not Kill without thinking through what they are saying.

On your second blue paragraph: I know what you mean about Mark. He uses direct statements such as "Nope, you are wrong" and things of that nature and is pedantic on occasion. Nevertheless, the man really knows his history and is an expert on many other areas of knowledge as well. He reigns supreme when the talk goes back to the Roman Empire and the early days of Christianity plus many other times, places and cultures.

Even if one disagrees with him, you have to admit that Mark comes to the table well prepared and with a vast amount of knowledge at his command.

For example, in our recent discussion of abortions when William brought up Catholic Churches and their threat to close down if they were forced to do abortions, I instinctively had a knee jerk reaction to side with the Catholic Churches. Mark wrote convincingly for the opposite opinion and I found his arguments extremely powerful and changed my mind.

Anyway, I have a positive opinion of both you and Mark and will stay out of it if you two to duke it out any further.
Lakey

I can't disagree with any of this.

I think Hubbard said something similar about thou shalt not kill. [Not that that makes it right].

I am sure Baker has powerful arguments and is right in many cases.

I was simply pointing out what the English translations say, not whether it was correct or not; I'm not a believer, in fact since leaving Scientology I have no religious affiliations.

I wasn't disagreeing with his thoughts which are well known by anyone who has looked into these interpretation problems.

My annoyance was with his need to state the obvious, which had nothing to do with my original post, and then try to use that idea to make me wrong.
Namely: "Nope. That's a grammatical 'misunderstood' on your part".

I didn't misuderstand anything, I simply quoted the passage which does not denote gender and made an obviously not amusing statement that there were a heap of them at the time.


LTG
 

Jachs

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A movement is pioneered by men of words, materialized by fanatics and consolidated by men of action.[/B] It is usually an advantage to a movement, and perhaps a prerequisite for its endurance, that these roles should be played by different men succeeding each other as conditions require. [...] With the appearance of the man of action the explosive vigor of the movement is embalmed and sealed in sanctified institutions. A religious movement crystallizes in a hierarchy and a ritual. (p. 147-149)

To be in possession of an absolute truth is to have a net of familiarity spread over the whole of eternity. There are no surprises and no unknowns. All questions have already been answered, all decisions made, all eventualities foreseen. The true believer is without wonder and hesitation. (p. 82)


The diminishing capacity for original thought

[The true believer] subordinates creative work to the advancement of the movement. Literature, art and science must be propagandistic and they must be "practical." The true-believing writer, artist or scientist does not create to express himself, or to save his soul or to discover the true and the beautiful. His task, as he see it, is to warn, to advise, to urge, to glorify and to denounce. (p. 155)

The True Believer
Eric Hoffer

http://www.fourthwaycult.net/truebeliever.html

I hadnt come across Hoffer before, history repeats
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Tug McGraw


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Born Frank Edwin McGraw, August 30, 1944, in Martinez, CA; died from cancer, January 5, 2004, in Franklin, TN. Professional baseball player. The 2004 death of retired baseball player Tug McGraw from cancer at the age of 59 stunned legions of his longtime fans. McGraw was one of the sport's most exuberant and popular figures during the 1970s and 1980s as a pitcher with the New York Mets and the Philadelphia Phillies. In 1980, he led the Phillies to their only World Series victory. McGraw's personal life was similarly mythic: late in life, he learned he was the father of a young boy, who went on to become country-music star Tim McGraw.

Born Frank Edwin McGraw in 1944, the future Major League Baseball legend grew up in Vallejo, California, where he played ball for St. Vincent Ferrer High School. His nickname dated back to infancy and his insistent feeding habits. After a stint on the team at Vallejo Junior College, he was signed to the New York Mets in 1964 as a free agent, and played with the Mets' farm team for a season. He emerged as a top-notch left-handed pitcher with a good fast-ball and solid curveball, but a third throw was necessary to advance him out of the minors, and so McGraw perfected the screwball pitch, which would become his trademark.

McGraw went on to help the Mets win the 1969 World Series, but it was in the build-up to the 1973 post-season that his signature phrase, "Ya gotta believe!" was coined. In August of that year, the Mets were down more than eleven games, and after a particularly bad performance, Mets chair M. Donald Grant delivered a torrid locker-room lecture to the chastened team. Coming out of the meeting, McGraw was said to have uttered the phrase, poking fun of Grant's pep talk, but his teammates burst out laughing and they went on to a winning streak that landed them in the World Series. Though the Mets lost to Oakland in seven games, "Ya gotta believe!" became the catchphrase of the season and would remain indelibly associated with McGraw's high-spirited personality.

McGraw amassed a solid record as a pitcher, though he admitted that the pressures of performing as a relief pitcher occasionally unnerved him. "Coming into a game, my knees always feel weak," he admitted to New York Times columnist Dave Anderson. "I have to push off the mound harder." Known for his spontaneous quips and graciousness to his fans, McGraw became one of the sport's most beloved figures of the times. "He wore his sandy hair long," noted New York Times writer Frank Litsky, "and with his little-boy face and boyish enthusiasm he was a crowd favorite. After a third out, he would run off the mound, slapping his glove against a thigh. After a close call, he would pat his heart." Traded to Philadelphia in 1974, he went on to help the franchise take East Division titles in 1976, 1977, and 1978, and the National League pennant in 1980 and 1983. But it was Game Six of the Phillies' World Series race in 1980 that would define McGraw's career and make him a hero forever in his adopted home-town: in the ninth inning, with bases loaded, he struck out batter Kansas City's Willie Wilson, and the Phillies won the World Series pennant for the first time in Major League history.

The photograph taken just after that moment showed McGraw jumping off his mound, hands high in the air, and became one of the classic images in sports history. Another timeless photo was captured just seconds later, when Phillies third-base player Mike Schmidt jumped into his arms on the mound. Schmidt later said the two had planned it on their ride to Veterans Stadium that night. "Both of us knew whoever was on or near that mound for the final out would probably be on the cover of Sports Illustrated, " Schmidt told the same publication. "Sure enough, it worked. Tug struck out Wilson and then turned to look at me at third base. Of course I came running and jumped on him."

The 1984 season was McGraw's last in baseball. He retired with a 96-92 record and a 3.14 earned-run average. He became a television reporter for a Philadelphia station, wrote three children's books, and remained a fan favorite. The father of two sons and a daughter, he belatedly discovered his fourth and oldest child after an eleven-year-old Louisiana boy came across his birth certificate. Tim Smith was an ardent baseball fan, and was stunned to find the name of one of his heroes in the space on the document that listed the father's name. Smith, who later took his father's name, was the product of a romance between McGraw and Betty Trimble that occurred during his minor-league career, and McGraw had never known of the boy's existence. McGraw and his long-lost son enjoyed a close relationship, and Tim McGraw grew up to become a country-music legend and husband of Faith Hill, another Nashville star.

McGraw was diagnosed with a brain tumor in March of 2003 while working at Phillies spring-training camp in Clearwater, Florida, as a special instructor. He underwent surgery in Tampa, after which his doctors—a team of top specialists assembled and paid for by his son, Tim—believed they had eradicated it completely, but a wait-and-see policy was in place when McGraw next appeared in public again on May 29. "I'm not fearful," McGraw told reporters in a characteristically upbeat mood, according to a Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service report by Paul Hagen. "I have confidence." He went to work on his autobiography, which carried the not-unexpected working title, Ya Gotta Believe! .

In September of 2003, McGraw reprised his 1980 World Series moment at the closing ceremonies at Veterans' Stadium in Philadelphia, which was slated for demolition in March of 2004. He had hoped to be there for the demolition, but on December 31, 2003, he suffered a seizure, and died six days later at a cabin in Franklin, Tennessee, near the home of his son, Tim, and family. His former Philly teammate Schmidt told Sports Illustrated that McGraw accepted his fate with the same attitude that had made him such a favorite among players and fans alike. "Publicly, he never let on that he had gotten a raw deal," Schmidt noted. "As he always said, 'I front-loaded my life, just like my contract.'"
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Here's a cute song from the past - a light hearted view of the 2D

Yikes - A lull on the Apollo thread.

I was out at a dance place recently and the live combo there played this oldie which was was always one of my favorites.

Often the 2nd dynamic is full of mass and significance but this song seems to lighten it up and put a happy face on it.

Also, that deep base rhythm at the 20 second mark of the video is really danceable. I'm not much of a dancer, two left feet, but when I heard that rhythm at the club, I got up and started dancing. About a week later that rhythm came into my mind and I was able to do "theme and variations" using that catchy rhythm.

Here's a link to Hot Chocalate and "Sexy Thing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkQgm9cwt3w&NR=1

The compositional ability which I believe I formarly had, started to come back.:happydance:

That catchy base rhythm is something like the theme of Pachelbel's Canon. It can be twisted and turned enlessly into a variety of pleasing melodies.

Here's a link to Pachelbel's Canon. Check out how simple the theme is, just 4 descending bass notes and yet how that simple theme can be endlessly reworked with pleasing results.
I got hooked on this piece of music in the Early 1990's when my kids were about 12 and 71/2 and I played it and they wanted to know the name of the composer. I said "Pachelbel" quickly and what they heard was Taco Bell. For ever after we always referred to it as the Taco Bell Canon. Once my ex wife asked my daughter who the composer was and she replied Taco Bell and my ex shook her head and said that Taco Bell could not be the composer's name and my daughter swore that it was. My ex, came to me perplexed and I cleared up the confusion with her. Pachelbel wrote a lot of beautiful Canon's but he is only known for this one piece. His other stuff hets hardly any play while this one is played endlessly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Af372EQLck

Lakey
 
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The_Fixer

Class Clown
That was a nice piece to listen to (the canon). I have only always ever heard it played on the piano. It's much richer listening played on the strings.
 

RogerB

Crusader
Yikes - A lull on the Apollo thread.

I was out at a dance place recently and the live combo there played this oldie which was was always one of my favorites.

Often the 2nd dynamic is full of mass and significance but this song seems to lighten it up and put a happy face on it.

Also, that deep base rhythm at the 20 second mark of the video is really danceable. I'm not much of a dancer, two left feet, but when I heard that rhythm at the club, I got up and started dancing. About a week later that rhythm came into my mind and I was able to do "theme and variations" using that catchy rhythm.

Here's a link to Hot Chocalate and "Sexdy Thing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkQgm9cwt3w&NR=1

The compositional ability which I believe I formarly had, started to come back.:happydance:

That catchy base rhythm is something like the theme of Pachelbel's Canon. It can be twisted and turned enlessly into a variety of pleasing melodies.

Here's a link to Pachelbel's Canon. Check out how simple the theme is, just 4 descending bass notes and yet how that simple theme can be endlessly reworked with pleasing results.
I got hooked on this piece of music in the Early 1990's when my kids were about 12 and 71/2 and I played it and they wanted to know the name of the composer. I said "Pachelbel" quickly and what they heard was Taco Bell. For ever after we always referred to it as the Taco Bell Canon. Once my ex wife asked my daughter who the composer was and she replied Taco Bell and my ex shook her head and said that Taco Bell could not be the composer's name and my daughter swore that it was. My ex, came to me perplexed and I cleared up the confusion with her. Pachelbel wrote a lot of beautiful Canon's but he is only known for this one piece. His other stuff hets hardly any play while this one is played endlessly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Af372EQLck

Lakey

Lakey,

Way interesting that rendition of it. Not my favorite or the way I'd do it; but interesting.

It's emphasis in on the rhythm and beat: not on the melody with rhythm as support.

So I suppose, since you were posting on the subject of dance music this version was appropriate :yes:

Funny thing about music . . . there are some pieces of the classics I love . . . and then I find a cheap platter of it somewhere (lots of street vendors in Manhattan) . . . and when I get my $1-2 purchase back home what ugly shit it can turn out to be :melodramatic: Some of it so badly interpreted by both conductor and producer (who balances the various sections of the orchestra/instruments/sound to get the desired end result) it, to me is offensive.

AS a note for you folks who might be wondering about what I refer to, there are two main aspects of the musical performance I am referring to here. There is the phrasing of the notes (just like speech: you can hold and elongate or cut short; and the other aspect is you can fade its ending reducing volume or kill it dead with a stop); and then there is the balance between the component instruments and sections (like between rhythm and melody).

R
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
‎"One of the common failings among honorable people is a failure to appreciate how thoroughly dishonorable some other people can be, and how dangerous it is to trust them." ~ Thomas Sowell
 
SOURCE / NO SOURCE

in the Arab world, the question has been, "Where is the West?" in regard to Libya and the rebels.

The US didn't lead. The Arab League came out to declare support for the people of Libya in a "no fly zone." Yesterday, Obama signaled that the US would play a secondary role in stopping Gaddafi. Obama is in Brazil. France fired the first shots.

It bothers me that so many innocent people have died.

On the other hand, I think Obama and crew have handled the world's nations with the adroit use of "source / no source"

I am comfortable with what I've written here in regard to "source / no source," if you the reader, don't get it, please comment.

BTW, NPR coverage has been excellent.

When I was a kid, I got myself stuck up in an old oak tree. I yelled and screamed to my mother, who was in the house, but she didn't hear me. After a half hour, I climbed back down.
 
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in the Arab world, the question has been, "Where is the West?" in regard to Libya and the rebels.

The US didn't lead. The Arab states came out to declare support for the people of Libya. Yesterday, Obama signaled that the US would play a secondary role in stopping Gaddafi. Obama is in Brazil. France fired the first shots.

It bothers me that so many innocent people have died.

On the other hand, I think Obama and crew have handled the world's nations with the adroit use of "source / no source"

I am comfortable with what I've written here in regard to "source / no source," if you the reader, don't get it, please comment.

I don't. You're too cryptic. :)

Had a conversation with someone today who is very recently into politics
from an odd direction. I commented that I was suprised that the west had taken so long to do anything re Libya. he said the west was on Libya's side.

Looks like they have changed. My thought is that they would support whichever side controlled the oil.

This person also said that the Libyan Rebels were winning in Libya. This is
the opposite of what we are informed by news media.

Reminds me of the outing by US government person " Scooter" libby of
Valerie Plame Wilson, CIA agent, because her husband demolished the claim of an african country sourcing uranium to Iraq for WMD.

The movie about this, " Fair Game", with Naomi Watts and Sean Penn is excellent. Is accurate to what I recall I read on this.
 

FoTi

Crusader
‎"One of the common failings among honorable people is a failure to appreciate how thoroughly dishonorable some other people can be, and how dangerous it is to trust them." ~ Thomas Sowell

You can say that again!!!!!!
 
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