Shooting Stars

[afaceinthecrowd]

Thanks for you reply Face. I think your clarity of writing is more than adequate. The problem is probably with me. Your installments are spaced apart and when I read one, I don't reread the entire series but only the last one. Reading so many posts on ESMB and replying to them, I don't really have a total grasp of of the earlier chapters in the series at any given time.That being said, I understand what you are saying in your reply post to me.

However, I am addressing a SPECIFIC issue and that issue concerns solely what LRH's goals were when he realized that his body death was imminent and he was soon to die.

DID LRH CHANGE HIS MODUS OPERANDI AFTER HE REALIZED THAT HE WOULD SOON BE GONE FROM THE SCENE OR DID HE KEEP UP HIS CONTROL OVER PEOPLE AND HIS POWER AND MONEY GRAB TENDENCIES RIGHT UP THE VERY LAST DAY OF HIS LIFE?

Over on the Apollo thread, the erudite LRH historian and critic, Veda, agreed with my analysis.

Above, you summarize what you feel LRH always had in mind throughout his career and I reprint this directly below in blue:

As I've written on ESMB before, and in "Shooting Stars" and the Links provided to other posts I have made in the past; my "take" is that El Ron wanted to "Possess" all of Us, Control Everything, Raid the Cash Box at Will and not get found out or caught

My question concerns Hubbard's exit strategy only, after he knew that he would soon be gone. I do not believe that you addressed that in any way in your fine installment #11, nor in your reply to my post.

I would really like to hear what you have to say about that. I gave my opinioins about that in my last post. Prior to your installment #11, I had 3 alternatives that I could conceive of and your post enabled me to envision a 4th possibility. It would be nice to hear about your opinion on this specific topic, either in a direct reply or in your next installment. Either of those would be fine. Thank you for your kind consideration.
Lakey

Then, my friend, I suggest you slow down and be more conscientious in your posting.

I'd also appreciate it if you would stop the Bold Caps Shouting when addressing me.

Thank you.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

As Lakey has seen fit to post two different bodies of comment on two seperate threads re: what I have posted here, I am posting the link to my reply to his most recent post on the Apollo Thread and I will link to this post over there.

I am not making any further posts, with any one, regarding these series of posts between lakey and me.

Lakey may have the "Last Word". However, my not responding further to his or anyone else's posts is not to be taken as or construed to be my agreement with any or all of his or anyone else's resulting comments.

My final words to Lakey on the Apollo Thread, for those that have an interest.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557961&postcount=11617

Peace.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

That makes ESMB extremely fortunate !

 

[Jachs]

The 'Hermit' at Helmit had the perfect Alibi when ordering the skirmish between mission holders and Sea Org, The perfect covert third party action playing one side off the other then step back without remorse ,collect the cash , one action that reaffirmed constant alertness and willingness to fight back and smashing his legendary formed name into the future.

Face when i first read your title Shooting Stars and the content , i took the meaning to be of celebrities /stars, a parody.

rather than the target , great Title and article, thanks.
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[afaceinthecrowd]

http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=17724&S=a38885665c391a7f89f5f616c179d952#msg_17724

Mischief managed.


Mark A. Baker

Thanks, Pal.

Face

 

[Terril park]

Thanks Panda.

I gotta a few things left to say.

Face

This is I believe the most coherent appraisal of the decline of
a dream many shared. And some still do.

I believe unique.

My request is that you give your name and others. Of course
not if there are any negative consequences possible.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

You have been extremely clear - and consise.


And, this is a world class summation :

El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

In fact that would make a super fine siggy !

Hmmm, dare I ask ....

With pleasure..."be my guest".

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Nice. Touche' mi amigo.



Perhaps if I were a bigger man (in Spirit) I would not find myself choking back hidden-tears as I read the words you have written.

Indeed the word 'Kristallnacht' alone is sufficient to cause deep-seated, invisible, but ever so-real, compound fractures of this aging old heart (called love) of mine.

In the end I can only hope and trust, the demands of Spiritual Wisdom include, an unvarnished personal first-hand experience of human greed and hate, for a season. In order to Understand, forever.



And Peace to You Face.
mm&I

ps. If Shooting Stars 'Part One' was Dawn, 'Part Twelve' may well be High-Noon. (so to speak, me thinks ).

Thank you again, mm&I.

Yesss! Beautiful!

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

The 'Hermit' at Helmit had the perfect Alibi when ordering the skirmish between mission holders and Sea Org, The perfect covert third party action playing one side off the other then step back without remorse ,collect the cash , one action that reaffirmed constant alertness and willingness to fight back and smashing his legendary formed name into the future.

Face when i first read your title Shooting Stars and the content , i took the meaning to be of celebrities /stars, a parody.

rather than the target , great Title and article, thanks.
.

Thank you, Jachss.

Yep, El Ron always was always cognizant the "angles" for Hisself's alibi's.

The title "Shooting Stars" was intended as a "two edged sword".

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

This is I believe the most coherent appraisal of the decline of
a dream many shared. And some still do.

I believe unique.

My request is that you give your name and others. Of course
not if there are any negative consequences possible.

Thank you. I appreciate that, Terril.

Your “Take” is unique—all of Us have unique “Takes”—and I am posting here to add to the “Tiles” of the “Mosaic” we all were, and still are, a part of.

Terril, I have already posted—and, if I recall correctly, one was specifically in response to you last year—why, for the time being, I wish to retain my anonymity. There are a handful of folks here on ESMB that know my identity, my "History", and they know why, for now, I wish to remain afaceinthecrowd. For this reason, I have judiciously excluded some Stories and Particulars from my Narratives but, I assure you, I’m not holding back on any “Stuff”. What “Truth” there may be in my words must, for now, stand on their own merits and not my “Identity”, “Stature”, “Certifications” or “Positions” within Institutionalized Scn.

I have also judiciously withheld names in the interests of my anonymity and, most importantly, to hold in my breast the trusted confidences of others and to protect the innocent from the guilty.

Cheers to you, Terril.


Face

 

[AnonyMary]

This is I believe the most coherent appraisal of the decline of
a dream many shared. And some still do.

I believe unique.

My request is that you give your name and others. Of course
not if there are any negative consequences possible.

That was inappropriate to ask here, Terril. You could have PMd him instead. He's anonymous for a reason, like many of us are. After all he's written, I can't blame him for remaining anonymous.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Originally Posted by Auditor's Toad
'"You have been extremely clear - and consise.


And, this is a world class summation :

El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

In fact that would make a super fine siggy !

Hmmm, dare I ask .... "

Face, unfortunately, the siggy has a 500 character limit.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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However, I am addressing a SPECIFIC issue and that issue concerns solely what LRH's goals were when he realized that his body death was imminent and he was soon to die.

DID LRH CHANGE HIS MODUS OPERANDI AFTER HE REALIZED THAT HE WOULD SOON BE GONE FROM THE SCENE OR DID HE KEEP UP HIS CONTROL OVER PEOPLE AND HIS POWER AND MONEY GRAB TENDENCIES RIGHT UP THE VERY LAST DAY OF HIS LIFE?

There are some possibilities to consider regarding the Commodore's last will and testament...

1) DYING DECLARATION: In courts of law, normally inadmissible heresay evidence of a person's "statement" is barred. One notable exception is the "Dying Declaration" which is permitted because of the weight given to an individual's final dying words. In the case of LRH, since it is a well established fact that he was a chronic liar, the value of what he said can hardly be relied upon anything other than spin, shore stories or acceptable truths to ensure his name was burned into history or whatever it was that he was trying to do.

1) DYING POSTULATES: What Hubbard wanted in the closing moments of Act III is inconsequential. Having written more than 75,000,000 words, he had plenty of opportunity to set the record straight, but failed to do so his entire life. Anything he intended at the very end cannot be discerned through the kaleidoscopic onion layers that he operated thru.

3. DYING PLEA FOR ABSOLUTION: Even in the doubtful scenario that Hubbard elected to as forgiveness and do penance ("take full responsibility" in Scn parlance) for his lifetime of sins, there is no confession ("OW writeup") to corroborate that idea. And, while it is fanciful to imagine such a thing might have happened, it has no bearing on his character or the rehabilitation, thereof, because criminals often have a last-second change of heart when capital punishment (i.e. a death sentence) is imminent. By way of example, mafia murderers often call for their priest to give them the final sacrament of forgiveness so they can skate on the murder one charges with God and safely parole out to Heaven.

4. DYING DECLARATIONS PART II: If Hubbard had any semblance of conscience in the final days in his bunker, he would have UN-DECLARED the mission holders and all his other innocent victims, stretching back to Paulette Cooper and beyond. He died with all those SP declarations and fair game programs in full effect, without remorse.​

In any fantasy construct, Hubbard still did what dastardly deeds he did his entire career as a planetary savior and then insouciantly applied his policy of "Never regret yesterday...". You gotta admit, it's expedient and avoids all the DevT of getting sec checked and doing ethics conditions to make up the damage--like he forced upon others in order to "help" them salvage their "eternity".

Telling, ain't it?!

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Originally Posted by Auditor's Toad
'"You have been extremely clear - and consise.


And, this is a world class summation :

El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

In fact that would make a super fine siggy !

Hmmm, dare I ask .... "

Face, unfortunately, the siggy has a 500 character limit.

Okay, Toad. If you wish, I'll work with you to edit it down.

Face

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Okay, Toad. If you wish, I'll work with you to edit it down.

Face

Yes, but as it is it is such a thing of beauty. It covers so much and does so correctly. For anybody that knows much of any history of it that consisely lays out what the old boy was up to and the problems ot presented him.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

There are some possibilities to consider regarding the Commodore's last will and testament...

1) DYING DECLARATION: In courts of law, normally inadmissible heresay evidence of a person's "statement" is barred. One notable exception is the "Dying Declaration" which is permitted because of the weight given to an individual's final dying words. In the case of LRH, since it is a well established fact that he was a chronic liar, the value of what he said can hardly be relied upon anything other than spin, shore stories or acceptable truths to ensure his name was burned into history or whatever it was that he was trying to do.

1) DYING POSTULATES: What Hubbard wanted in the closing moments of Act III is inconsequential. Having written more than 75,000,000 words, he had plenty of opportunity to set the record straight, but failed to do so his entire life. Anything he intended at the very end cannot be discerned through the kaleidoscopic onion layers that he operated thru.

3. DYING PLEA FOR ABSOLUTION: Even in the doubtful scenario that Hubbard elected to as forgiveness and do penance ("take full responsibility" in Scn parlance) for his lifetime of sins, there is no confession ("OW writeup") to corroborate that idea. And, while it is fanciful to imagine such a thing might have happened, it has no bearing on his character or the rehabilitation, thereof, because criminals often have a last-second change of heart when capital punishment (i.e. a death sentence) is imminent. By way of example, mafia murderers often call for their priest to give them the final sacrament of forgiveness so they can skate on the murder one charges with God and safely parole out to Heaven.

4. DYING DECLARATIONS PART II: If Hubbard had any semblance of conscience in the final days in his bunker, he would have UN-DECLARED the mission holders and all his other innocent victims, stretching back to Paulette Cooper and beyond. He died with all those SP declarations and fair game programs in full effect, without remorse.​

In any fantasy construct, Hubbard still did what dastardly deeds he did his entire career as a planetary savior and then insouciantly applied his policy of "Never regret yesterday...". You gotta admit, it's expedient and avoids all the DevT of getting sec checked and doing ethics conditions to make up the damage--like he forced upon others in order to "help" them salvage their "eternity".

Telling, ain't it?!

Great Stuff, HH!

Very telling indeed.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Yes, but as it is it is such a thing of beauty. It covers so much and does so correctly. For anybody that knows much of any history of it that consisely lays out what the old boy was up to and the problems ot presented him.

Best I can do is to get it down by 40 characters (including spaces), does that help you? After that it's messin' with it too much.

Face

 

[Panda Termint]

Originally Posted by Auditor's Toad
'"You have been extremely clear - and consise.


And, this is a world class summation :

El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

In fact that would make a super fine siggy !

Hmmm, dare I ask .... "

Face, unfortunately, the siggy has a 500 character limit.

Best I can do is to get it down by 40 characters (including spaces), does that help you? After that it's messin' with it too much.

Face

Why not just put a link to the post in you sig line, AT? Call it "You've gotta read this!" or something to tempt the click.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

This is I believe the most coherent appraisal of the decline of
a dream many shared. And some still do.

I believe unique.

My request is that you give your name and others. Of course
not if there are any negative consequences possible.

his exploits are posted on you tube with his real name, Don Diego de la Vega

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4E_260SH5Y

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Why not just put a link to the post in you sig line, AT? Call it "You've gotta read this!" or something to tempt the click.

I don't know how to do that.

How would I link post # 258 in this thread.