Shooting Stars

[afaceinthecrowd]

...the bad old days.

but there was then a fresh untamed spirit to the endeavour. the true spirit of it is from us. the tyrranny and the koolaid of it has pushed many perhaps most of the true hearts from it.

hey, elron, was a ballsy freewheelin' son of a bitch. i dislike the worst of his writings with a black passion but i don't condemn the bastard

Yes! There was all of that, my dear Commander.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Its Monday...

Done.

Face

PS: I love it when you beg...you're so cute!

 

[Commander Birdsong]

real nice post toady

In this long journey I call my life if I have only been able to learn one thing that would be to speak for myself and not even try to represent it as something that another would feel might anything to do with them.

That said....I have some things to say.

One of the things I have said to those nearest and dearest to me with whom I know I can trust showing my most precious of thoughts is this :

" I have never felt more right than I did as a scientologist " and now to come to the realization that I was never more wrong than as I was as a scientologist.

Hey, now, it wasn't that I didn't go down that path of my own free will and all that. I did all that to me. I get to look me in the eye and say I may have needed that lesson but, jeez, wasn't those years of arrested development ( AD ) a rather steep price to pay ?

Yeah, it was, But it makes no sense to me to waste another moment now on what I've already wasted so many years and so very much of my life.
I can do that.

But, ye Gods, the people I led down that path with me. The people I talked into their " next level " and all those PCs I got un-Red tagged that I knew damned well would not get the program I wrote to fix 'em but just got stuck back on post.

I can't count those numbers of the people I was the " Judas Goat " for.
Life Repair, Dianetics, Ned, Clear, OT level after OT level, course after course after course. All that.

How many times did I sit down and talk to somebody who was really to leave after some injustice and with more than one foot out the door got them to keep on going anyway? Too many.

Yes, I "helped" people get " up the bridge ". Does not matter what others did or did not do, I have to look at what I did.

When it became obvious to me I was doing the wrong thing for me, my family, my loved ones ? I left. I didn't go quietly. Both staff and public that I knew were aware I left. Some disconnected. Some disconnected with tears in their eyes, but disconnected.

To my way of thinking, I did things I now wish I hadn't, like KRs ( getting off other peoples withholds still sickens me ) and disconnecting ( major admission of ones personal weakness or getting told I had a dog in a fight when i just didn't ) ... anyway.

It comes down to moving on, behaving better, supporting those I love, being a friend to friends.

And, under "helping" I keep hoping one day I can do a little something that is just a small part of the monumental scale Face has been able to do for so many of us : put facts on the line that lets us all know the truth and be able to move on.

no.

you were no judas goat toady

proper hgc auditing and proper academy training are both something real and good.

as i have said, i was never "in" the way many people on this board were. and so it might be said i'm not "out" the way many are OUT!!!!

yes, i did experience a profound sense of having been a dupe of extreme evil.

but...

i don't know...

i sort of think that sentiment is an illusion begotten of that which would undue the great virtues of the dianetic endeavor.

or...

maybe it is a manifestation of the dialectic process.

1. Thesis

2. Antithesis

3. Synthesis

thesis, properly don't much fly on this board. antithesis is very strong here. synthesis is to the point where it can not be legally aborted.

this piece is somewhere in between antithesis and synthesis.

don't stop here.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Thanks Mark. I'm gonna get back to you in a day or two on this one.

I'll look forward to your comments as I do the continuing chapters of Shooting Stars.


Mark A. Baker

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

no.

you were no judas goat toady

proper hgc auditing and proper academy training are both something real and good.

as i have said, i was never "in" the way many people on this board were. and so it might be said i'm not "out" the way many are OUT!!!!

yes, i did experience a profound sense of having been a dupe of extreme evil.

but...

i don't know...

i sort of think that sentiment is an illusion begotten of that which would undue the great virtues of the dianetic endeavor.

or...

maybe it is a manifestation of the dialectic process.

1. Thesis

2. Antithesis

3. Synthesis

thesis, properly don't much fly on this board. antithesis is very strong here. synthesis is to the point where it can not be legally aborted.

this piece is somewhere in between antithesis and synthesis.

don't stop here.

I like this.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Face,

you unravel the culture

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Ah say holy mackerel der, Andy!

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Always and in all ways, great reading Face ***** Dinner Theatre

Thanks, Bro.

We all paid the price for our ticket to the show.

Most of Us were just a face in the crowd, but some were in the “Champagne and Caviar Seats” and most of them are still drunk or have one helluva hangover.

Face

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Face,

I've read all your posts in sequence and watched the two movies you recommended.

I feel I'm getting "Class 12-level" revelations, if you will, in what really happened. Your history is so authentic, reads so true, and fits so well with the people and things I observed myself.

After a person has devoted a good part of his or her life to this spiritual trek, one day with the wisdom of advancing age, you look around and ask, "What the hell just happened?"

You're answering so much for me as I was there in the early seventies. I too knew a few MHs well. Also personally knew some of the main players who participated in and brought on the '77 raid. Knew them before they had big post titles and were just getting in. Before they became "infamous."

I largely sat on the sidelines of a safe hillside for most of my years and watched it all play out. Almost entirely unscathed, though everybody gets a few shrapnel injuries. Sorta unavoidable.

Though your chronicles are terrific throughout, this last post is a true blockbuster for me. My whole view of many things has shifted so much from reading it.

Last post is brilliant, just brilliant.

Thanks for your meticulous work in putting all this down.

ILove2Lurk

 

[Lurker5]

No kidding

No kidding, ILove2Lurk - Face- brilliant, outstanding, leaving me salivating for moar.

And yeah, Mayo was the sacrificial lamb, or better yet, the scapegoat, the one banished into the wilderness, for all the sins . . . Everyone was probably relieved, to 'know' the WHY, and thankful, beyond human reasoning, that it was not them.

 

[paradox]

definitely, we'll just call you Raymond.

 

[cakemaker]

As an aside, "Judas Goat" also has a WW 2 reference.

http://www.mellophant.com/forums/showthread.php?9542-Judas-Goats

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Oh my gosh, Ward, I just had to call you with the
good news--Face has written another one of those
wonderful posts that we love to read so much!​

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Originally Posted by Mark A. Baker
Auditing as mental/spiritual processing facilitates the reduction of 'implanting', but as a factor in and process of life there is also a degree of 'implanting' involved.

Thanks Mark. I'm gonna get back to you in a day or two on this one.

If you are interested in doing some serious scientific research on IMPLANTS I might suggest a marvelous book by a Dr. Baiten Switch. The titles escapes me for the moment, but you can do a key word search and find it because each chapter begins with the words "Once upon a time...."

ML,

Mr. E. Sandwich
Dean of Demean
University of Hoaxology

 

[Commander Birdsong]

o wow!

No kidding, ILove2Lurk - Face- brilliant, outstanding, leaving me salivating for moar.

And yeah, Mayo was the sacrificial lamb, or better yet, the scapegoat, the one banished into the wilderness, for all the sins . . . Everyone was probably relieved, to 'know' the WHY, and thankful, beyond human reasoning, that it was not them.

yeah!

the why has been found!

how many times did i hear that?

not that i was even there that long compared to so many of us.

but it was one of so many absurdities, "the koolaid" that i never punched in on.

and i never pretended too either. of course it became obvious quickly one could not openly call the koolaid koolaid but i really never seemed to have any problem ignoring the koolaid and swinging with what i still find to be the very real and unique substance of mr elray's work

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Face,

you unravel the culture

Thanks, Pal.

I'm just tryin' to undo some of the knots (double entendre intended) and Y'all are my marlin spike.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Face,

I've read all your posts in sequence and watched the two movies you recommended.

I feel I'm getting "Class 12-level" revelations, if you will, in what really happened. Your history is so authentic, reads so true, and fits so well with the people and things I observed myself.

After a person has devoted a good part of his or her life to this spiritual trek, one day with the wisdom of advancing age, you look around and ask, "What the hell just happened?"

You're answering so much for me as I was there in the early seventies. I too knew a few MHs well. Also personally knew some of the main players who participated in and brought on the '77 raid. Knew them before they had big post titles and were just getting in. Before they became "infamous."

I largely sat on the sidelines of a safe hillside for most of my years and watched it all play out. Almost entirely unscathed, though everybody gets a few shrapnel injuries. Sorta unavoidable.

Though your chronicles are terrific throughout, this last post is a true blockbuster for me. My whole view of many things has shifted so much from reading it.

Last post is brilliant, just brilliant.

Thanks for your meticulous work in putting all this down.

ILove2Lurk

Man, thanks a whole bunch, ILove2Lurk.

And, welcome...glad you are here with all of Us.

Whatta nice post. The two movies are not seamlessly analogous to El Ron but they sure have a lot of stuff that, to me, really nails Hisself and “the story”. Glad you took the time to watch them…they’re great flicks with world class writing, directing and acting.

I knew some of the '77 raid guys, too. This may sound trite, but they weren’t all bad…they just got caught up with “It” and got in over their heads.

I got shot up pretty good a few times but, luckily, none of bullets hit any vital organs.

Appreciate the feedback. Hope to be seeing you around the Rodeo.

Face

 

[Terril park]

Thanks, Bro.

We all paid the price for our ticket to the show.

Most of Us were just a face in the crowd, but some were in the “Champagne and Caviar Seats” and most of them are still drunk or have one helluva hangover.

Face

Your posts are invaluable.

" Hisself " had feet of clay which you have commented on brilliantly
and uniquely.

The disasters are well documented.

However the subject itself has some workability.

 

[Jachs]

Done.

Face

PS: I love it when you beg...you're so cute!

Thanks Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

No kidding, ILove2Lurk - Face- brilliant, outstanding, leaving me salivating for moar.

And yeah, Mayo was the sacrificial lamb, or better yet, the scapegoat, the one banished into the wilderness, for all the sins . . . Everyone was probably relieved, to 'know' the WHY, and thankful, beyond human reasoning, that it was not them.

Thanks, Lurker5.

You really hit the nail re: "relieved, to 'know' the WHY, and thankful, beyond human reasoning, that it was not them."

The COC Jackal Pack was most adept at stultifying folks.

Face