The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thanks for all that commentary Jack! They must have changed something since your experience because the way they are now operating, a distributor is not required to build up any inventory whatsoever. Under the current system, if a distributor signs someone up, that person must buy directly from Meleleuca and not from the distributor if they want to get the goods for 30% off list.

I agree with you on the products, some of them, such as the gold soap bar which you mentioned, are outstanding while others are good. They have set it up so a person must buy an order of a certain size, approx. $70, each and every month to get the 30% off. I have found no bad products. They are all good with some being incredible.

As to cost, Meleleuca has a theory that the things you buy, you are going to buy in the stores anyway. They claim that their stuff is cheaper plus of higher quality so if you don't buy from them you will buy similar products elsewhere anyway so by buying with them, you should save money.

Usually, its not apples to apples. You buy certain products from them that look interesting that you probably would never buy in the stores. On the stuff you do buy in the stores, Meleleuca's may be a little cheaper than similar products in a regular market but you might be able to buy a similar item at Wal Mart or Costco for less. The Meleleuca product is consistently of higher quality so its hard to compare apples to apples.

So far, in my experience, I am paying slightly more than I used to, maybe $30 a month, but am receiving much higher quality products plus sampling things that I never tried before. The overall effect seems to be a better quality of life at just a slight increase in expenditures.

Lakey

You could mention that Melaleuca uses natural ingredients in its products an no ammonia,no bleach, no formaldehyde so there are not the carcinogens & neurotoxins as found in common household cleaners ----want a list of 'em ?

Common household products that contain known carcinogens and / or neurotoxins
Healthy Home Information for the Intelligent Consumer
You can find out what else is lurking on your shelves by going to the National Institutes of
Health Library of Medicine Household Database –http://www.householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov
You can search for any brand of cleaners you use, find out what’s in it and uncover its links to health
effects.
According to the book, The Safe Shoppers Bible, there are many common household
products that contain known carcinogens and / or neurotoxins. Carcinogens are chemicals
that cause cancer.
Neurotoxins are chemicals that adversely affect the nervous system reducing emotional
well being, mental alertness, coordination and other functions associated with intelligence.

Here’s a list of TOXIC cleaning products that their manufacturers don’t want you to know
are harmful:


3M Aerosol Spot Remover ---- Lever 2000
Ajax Cleaner ----- Lifebouy Soap
Arm & Hammer Toothpaste ----- Listerine Original & Cool Mint
Aveeno ------ Lysol disinfectant (all scents)
Ban Roll-on ------ Most Home & Garden Pesticides
Behold Furniture Wax ------- Mr Bubbles
Bon Ami Foam Cleaner ------- Old English Furniture Spray
Camay ------ Palmolive Dishwashing Liquid
Caress Body Bar ------- Palmolive Skin Bar
Cascade Dish Soap ------ Pine-Sol Multi-Action Spray
Cepacol Mouthwash ------- Depend-o Blue Toilet Cleaner
Citri-Solv ------ Pledge Household Cleaner
ClairolAll Bleach ------- Ponds Dry Skin Bar
Colgate toothpaste ------- Renuzit Air Deodorizer
Cover Girl make up ------- Right Guard Deodorant
Crest Tartar Control ------- S. O.S. Vinegar Cleaner
Crest Toothpaste ------- Scope Mouthwash
Dawn Sureshot ------ Scotts Liquid Gold
Dove Soap Bars ------ Secret Deodorant
Endust ----- Shout Aerosol & Stick
English Leather ------ Simple Green
Fantastik All-Purpose Cleaner ------ Soft Soap
Formby's Lemon & Almond Spray ----- SOS Ammonia Glass Cleaner
Formula 409 ------ Speed Stick Deodorant
Gillette Foamy Skin Conditioning ------ Spic & Span Cleaner
Glass Plus ------ Spray & Wash Stain Remover
Huggies bath & body products ------ Sunlight Dishwashing Liquid
Irish Spring Deodorant ------ Tide, Gain, All Laundry Soap
Jergens Liquid Soap ------ Tilex Soap Scum Remover
Joy Dishwashing Liquid ------- Ultra Brite Toothpaste
Johnson's Baby Shampoo, Lotion & Powder ------ Windex Glass Cleaner
Kleen King Aluminum & Copper Cleaner
KR2 Spot Lifter
Lady Speed Stick
Lemon Pledge


409 is illegal in 11 states.

Wonder why deaths by cancer is up so ,dramatically ?

Folks, read the labels on what you are using.

 

[Freeminds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow, did this thread ever go off-topic. Is it time to close it, or something?

"The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973" ... truly?

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow, did this thread ever go off-topic. Is it time to close it, or something?

"The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973" ... truly?

Hmmm, good point !

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I had a brief period of involvement with Melaleuca Co. My wife & I began using some of their products and liked some of them a lot. (others, not so much) Then we found you can get much better prices if you are a distributer! We signed up. Sure enough, the prices we paid were better, but part of the deal is you need to have and keep up a certain minimum inventory. This started getting expensive and we were stockpiling stuff we weren't using. (And it's hard to sell products you don't like much.)

We dropped it.

But, I really liked the Gold Bar soap. It was great. Also the Genuine Melaleuca Oil: C-47 or whatever they called it. It is cool stuff. The thing is, you can buy the same stuff in your local hippie Health Food Store. It's popularly called Tea Tree Oil. In my experience it is the absolute best athletes foot cure.

I went to the gym on a regular basis and got AF often. I tried the usual drug store preparations (smell bad, you use the twice a day for two weeks! If you are not cured by then, use it for another two weeks. Yeah, sure. I could never get through more than three days before giving up in frustration and stink.

Melaleuca oil (or Tea Tree Oil) once in the morning, once at night and if you remember, again the next morning. Usually after two applications all symptoms were gone and you've forgotten about it!

Any way, the products are, well, some real good, others no better than you can get for less at your regular grocery store. But they all cost more.

YMMV, of course.

Jack

I picked up some kind of a foot fungus on the purif in '83. Everytime the weather got warm it drove me nuts itching.....I tried everything, including tea tree oil. Nothing ever worked very well. I recently tried a colloidal silver jell .... that did the trick. Finally found a solution to the problem after 29 years. I've had colloidal silver in my cupboard for years....never thought to use it for a fungus, but I discovered it works great for itches.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I find your post most curious. In Melaleuca there are are no " distributors " only people who purchase directly from the company.

Haven't found anyone required to carry any " inventory ". It is use a portion of your consumable houshold supplies. Needs based shopping for stuff most people already use anyway - toothpaste, soap, shampoo, deodorant, housecleaners for tile, granite, glass, etc & vitamins. You know, things for people who brush their teeth, take a shower & so on.

And this " hard to sell products " is the oddest of all & no one sells anything. A person enrolls with Melaleuca & buys factory direct so I don't get what someone means when they say they have a problem selling the products. Only the factory sells the products.

To say the products cost more than that in the grocery store... just ain't true. Easy to demonstrate savings on just the price.

Somehow about 800,000 families a month shop there and 95 % of those are re-orders. Yep, 5 % of their customers do drop out, usually after trying less than 7 of the over 400 products.

I'd suggest someone who is interested in the truth about Melaleuca contact a person involved in Melaleica and heard about it from somebody who actually knows how to make a knowledgable introduction to the company & the products - spend about an hour and make up your own mind whether or not they have something of benefit to you and your family.....or not.

No distributors? Are you kidding me?

Check out these links.... https://www.google.com/search?q=sun....,cf.osb&fp=da1cff555c82c79d&biw=1192&bih=536

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow, did this thread ever go off-topic. Is it time to close it, or something?

"The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973" ... truly?

We talk about everything on this thread. That's what keeps it alive and growing.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

You could mention that Melaleuca uses natural ingredients in its products an no ammonia,no bleach, no formaldehyde so there are not the carcinogens & neurotoxins as found in common household cleaners ----want a list of 'em ?

Common household products that contain known carcinogens and / or neurotoxins
Healthy Home Information for the Intelligent Consumer
You can find out what else is lurking on your shelves by going to the National Institutes of
Health Library of Medicine Household Database –http://www.householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov
You can search for any brand of cleaners you use, find out what’s in it and uncover its links to health
effects.
According to the book, The Safe Shoppers Bible, there are many common household
products that contain known carcinogens and / or neurotoxins. Carcinogens are chemicals
that cause cancer.
Neurotoxins are chemicals that adversely affect the nervous system reducing emotional
well being, mental alertness, coordination and other functions associated with intelligence.

Here’s a list of TOXIC cleaning products that their manufacturers don’t want you to know
are harmful:


3M Aerosol Spot Remover ---- Lever 2000
Ajax Cleaner ----- Lifebouy Soap
Arm & Hammer Toothpaste ----- Listerine Original & Cool Mint
Aveeno ------ Lysol disinfectant (all scents)
Ban Roll-on ------ Most Home & Garden Pesticides
Behold Furniture Wax ------- Mr Bubbles
Bon Ami Foam Cleaner ------- Old English Furniture Spray
Camay ------ Palmolive Dishwashing Liquid
Caress Body Bar ------- Palmolive Skin Bar
Cascade Dish Soap ------ Pine-Sol Multi-Action Spray
Cepacol Mouthwash ------- Depend-o Blue Toilet Cleaner
Citri-Solv ------ Pledge Household Cleaner
ClairolAll Bleach ------- Ponds Dry Skin Bar
Colgate toothpaste ------- Renuzit Air Deodorizer
Cover Girl make up ------- Right Guard Deodorant
Crest Tartar Control ------- S. O.S. Vinegar Cleaner
Crest Toothpaste ------- Scope Mouthwash
Dawn Sureshot ------ Scotts Liquid Gold
Dove Soap Bars ------ Secret Deodorant
Endust ----- Shout Aerosol & Stick
English Leather ------ Simple Green
Fantastik All-Purpose Cleaner ------ Soft Soap
Formby's Lemon & Almond Spray ----- SOS Ammonia Glass Cleaner
Formula 409 ------ Speed Stick Deodorant
Gillette Foamy Skin Conditioning ------ Spic & Span Cleaner
Glass Plus ------ Spray & Wash Stain Remover
Huggies bath & body products ------ Sunlight Dishwashing Liquid
Irish Spring Deodorant ------ Tide, Gain, All Laundry Soap
Jergens Liquid Soap ------ Tilex Soap Scum Remover
Joy Dishwashing Liquid ------- Ultra Brite Toothpaste
Johnson's Baby Shampoo, Lotion & Powder ------ Windex Glass Cleaner
Kleen King Aluminum & Copper Cleaner
KR2 Spot Lifter
Lady Speed Stick
Lemon Pledge


409 is illegal in 11 states.

Wonder why deaths by cancer is up so ,dramatically ?

Folks, read the labels on what you are using.

Thanks for that link to look up household products....good reference!!!

That's a good list of what not to use.

I use Borax and baking soda for laundry.....50/50.

Washing soda and vinegar for cleaning out stuff like the dishwasher and drains.

Baking soda and vinegar cleans the grime, tree sap, bird droppings, road kill off the car that the car wash can't get off.

Dollar Tree sells a product called Awesome. $1.00 for a liter of the stuff. No ammonia, no bleach, no acid, non flammable. It gets stuff out like gum or blood and is an amazing degreaser. A little goes a long, long way. A bottle lasts me for years.

I use Planet for dishes....it's an oxygenated product from the supermarket....a dishcloth used to wash dishes with this product never sours or smells bad. Costs a little more than the other dish soaps.

Brush my teeth with hydrogen peroxide or a couple drops of colloidal silver. Toothpaste is not a necessity.

Hydrogen peroxide or colloidal silver will sterilize most any surface...so will a liquid copper, I've read.

Keeping the house and one's self clean doesn't have to be toxic, complicated or expensive.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

No distributors? Are you kidding me?

Check out these links.... https://www.google.com/search?q=sun....,cf.osb&fp=da1cff555c82c79d&biw=1192&bih=536

I have purchased products for 3 months now and my experience is exactly as Toady states in his post above. He gives a very accurate picture!

At earlier times, I dabbled in Shaklee, Amway and Herbalife. In all of those companies, the buyers purchased retail from a distributor who bought at wholesale; the buyer went to the distributors home or office to pick up the products.

In Meleleuca, everyone buys from the company itself. There is a contact person who introduces the company to you and you might think of them as your distributor but officially, they have another title. Their main function is to get people to view a company video which explains how the company works. They don't buy product and sell it at a mark-up as in Amway. If a person gets someone to watch the video and and that person agrees to sign up to buy wholesale, the contact person makes about 7% on each sale. Since there are no distributors who stock the products, the products are shipped to the buyer by UPS.
Lakey

 

[freethinker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I don't know about the other products but I took the Amway natural vitamin packs for two months and noticed nothing while taking them and no drop of after stopping.

Amway is hype.

I have purchased products for 3 months now and my experience is exactly as Toady states in his post above. He gives a very accurate picture!

At earlier times, I dabbled in Shaklee, Amway and Herbalife. In all of those companies, the buyers purchased retail from a distributor who bought at wholesale; the buyer went to the distributors home or office to pick up the products.

In Meleleuca, everyone buys from the company itself. There is a contact person who introduces the company to you and you might think of them as your distributor but officially, they have another title. Their main function is to get people to view a company video which explains how the company works. They don't buy product and sell it at a mark-up as in Amway. If a person gets someone to watch the video and and that person agrees to sign up to buy wholesale, the contact person makes about 7% on each sale. Since there are no distributors who stock the products, the products are shipped to the buyer by UPS.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow, did this thread ever go off-topic. Is it time to close it, or something?

"The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973" ... truly?

I found a definition for "Computer Thread".

"Thread"

(1) In online discussions, a series of messages that have been posted as replies to each other. A single forum or conference typically contains many threads covering different subjects. By reading each message in a thread, one after the other, you can see how the discussion has evolved. You can start a new thread by posting a message that is not a reply to an earlier message.

You are correct, we went off topic. It was Carmelo Orchard's brainchild to talk about more than one topic. He pitched the concept to me and I liked the idea. At the time, I did not even know that a thread was supposed to be limited to just one topic. Carmelo originated the idea and I was the OP of the thread so the two of us were the main posters at first.

628,000 views in 2 1/2 years plus a forum which is fun and educational and where there are not various groups with differing agendas hanging out arguing and bashing each other show that Carmelo's concept was brilliant and that there was a market for such a thread on ESMB.

We weren't the first ones to do this type of thing, the FCDC thread, about the Washington DC Org, was already going as an endless type thread when Carmelo and I started. They currently have somewhere around 360.000 hits.

I don't think Emma minds one bit. Between our 2 threads, we have a million hits to date, which is huge for a Discussion Board of this size and scope. The are a lot of none members viewing us. I am not sure who they are but a lot of them seem to be non Scientology academics who are interested in studying the subject.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I have purchased products for 3 months now and my experience is exactly as Toady states in his post above. He gives a very accurate picture!

At earlier times, I dabbled in Shaklee, Amway and Herbalife. In all of those companies, the buyers purchased retail from a distributor who bought at wholesale; the buyer went to the distributors home or office to pick up the products.

In Meleleuca, everyone buys from the company itself. There is a contact person who introduces the company to you and you might think of them as your distributor but officially, they have another title. Their main function is to get people to view a company video which explains how the company works. They don't buy product and sell it at a mark-up as in Amway. If a person gets someone to watch the video and and that person agrees to sign up to buy wholesale, the contact person makes about 7% on each sale. Since there are no distributors who stock the products, the products are shipped to the buyer by UPS.
Lakey

Most of the MLMs operate that way now....just sign people up and the company delivers the product.....no having to stock up on anything except what you use personally. But most require a minimum purchase per month to receive any commission from the company.

But saying there are no distributors is not correct. Those that sign others up are distributors.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is an article I received in an email today......


"Wed, March 21, 2012 5:31:04 AMDeToxify Your Home
From: Dr. David Jockers <[email protected]>Add to Contacts



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March 2012


Welcome to Exodus Health Center

Greetings!


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Detoxify Your Home with Natural Alternatives


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One of the most popular household items is anti-bacterial soap. These soaps most often contain Triclosan, which is a synthetic, broad spectrum antimicrobial agent. This same agent is now added to toothpaste, deodorant, plastics, cosmetics, & lotions among other things. This synthetic antimicrobial destroys both good and bad bacteria and due to its overuse has now created resistant strains of bacteria. Using this reduces natural immunity, which is provided in part by healthy strains of bacteria and promotes very resistant pathogenic strains to colonize and multiply.



Several studies have shown that triclosan acts as a xenoestrogen or artificial estrogen mimicker. This increases artificial estrogens in the body and disrupts normal steroid hormone balance that is critical to healthy function. It is also known to disrupt thyroid function, accelerate aging and depress the central nervous system.



Mixing anti-bacterial soaps with chlorinated tap water makes a deadly combination that forms the molecule chloroform. Chloroform is a potent carcinogen that is naturally formed in chlorinated water. Chlorinated water mixed with anti-bacterial soaps forms significantly more chloroform. This happens most frequently in the dishwasher and shower where the water and soap combine under high pressure.



Opening the dishwasher during or directly after the drying cycle is one of the most hazardous things people do every day. This action releases massive amounts of chloroform gas that immediately travels into the respiratory pathways and damages the protective microflora and causes significant oxidative stress to the region. Chloroform has been shown to aggravate respiratory health problems such as bronchitis, asthma, allergies & accelerating tumor growth.



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Use a non-chlorinated detergent in the dishwasher. Leave the dishwasher door closed until the dishes are dry. If possible, avoid the dry cycle and allow the dishes to air dry. If you have to open the dishwasher immediately after the wash cycle, try and avoid breathing the steam as it comes out of the unit. Turning on the kitchen fan and opening windows also helps steam to travel out of your breathing zone.



Drink water after it has undergone filtration to remove chlorine, disinfectant byproducts, pesticides, Rx drug residue and other toxins. Strong carbon filtration works okay. Reverse osmosis is a great system to utilize due to its ability to get nearly all of these major toxins out of the water. On the downside it utilizes heavy amounts of water and strips minerals from the water. Some manufacturers are using colloidal silver to effectively disinfect the water and coral sand to boost the pH. They then add anti-oxidants using zeolite and essential minerals using jade to restore valuable calcium and magnesium in the proper ratios. This is highly recommended if available to you.



It is necessary to get rid of the anti-bacterial soaps, sprays, lotions & potions in your home and office. Use natural citrus based cleaners or use 3% hydrogen peroxide and vinegar. Simply have a spray mist bottle of 3% hydrogen peroxide and another with white vinegar. Spray both (the order does not matter) on a surface and wipe clean. Research done at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University found that this method killed virtually all Salmonella, Shigella, and E Coli on heavy contaminated food and surfaces. The mixture was 10x more effective when used together (one directly after the other) than used alone.



This spray was far more potent than anti-bacterial soaps and chlorine bleach in eliminating these pathogenic bacterial strains. The mixture was 10x more effective when used together (one directly after the other) than used alone."

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

No distributors? Are you kidding me?

Check out these links.... https://www.google.com/search?q=sun....,cf.osb&fp=da1cff555c82c79d&biw=1192&bih=536

No, I'm not kidding you. If there are distributors please can you tell me what they distribute ?

Yes, you used google to find 'something'. As wonderful as the 'net is there is also bogus information that one might be prudent to not take as the word God. There is just no such thing as a distributor in Melaleuca.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I don't know about the other products but I took the Amway natural vitamin packs for two months and noticed nothing while taking them and no drop of after stopping.

Amway is hype.

Interesting comment about the Amway vitamins. They have their own sub-company, Nutrilite which manufactures their vitamins and nutritional supplements. There is a large Nutrilite factory in Buena Part, CA on Beach Blvd. near where I used to live.

I decided to try the Meleuca daily vitamin pack. Part of the reason was that my contact person's immediate upline person is about about my age and got off all his blood pressure and statin drugs using Meleleuca's supplements. BTW, he told his cardiologist what he wanted to do and he was weaned of the prescription drugs under his cardiologists supervision! . One thing though, this man is THIN, maybe 5'8" and 150 lbs. I weigh 250 at 5' 11". My cardiologist has already told me that if I lose 50 lbs, he will wean me off the prescription drugs.

The Meleleuca daily vitamin pack for men over 50 is enormous. You take one packet of 7 pills in the AM and another packet of 9 pills in the PM, a total of 16 pills a day. If a man does not have heart issues, he takes 14 pills or maybe only 12 pills, since two pills are for heart health (I don't know if the 2 heart pills are taken only PM or both AM and PM).

When I first started taking the pills, I noticed that I started sleeping the night straight through so there must be something in the PM pill pack which relaxes one and induces sleep.

Another thing I noticed is that I seem to now be sort of dependent on the Melaleuca vitamins. Recently I forgot to take my pills for two days in a row and I began to feel weird, weak and a bit nauseous. I then realized, I forgot to take them and immediately took the AM pack and the bad feelings went away.
Their formula gives mega doses of many, many vitamins, minerals and nutrients and it looks like I am now "hooked" on them in exactly the same way that people get hooked on prescription drugs.

I do notice an increase in my energy level from taking the Melaleuca pills. The body organs seem to be functioning a bit better.
Lakey

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Most of the MLMs operate that way now....just sign people up and the company delivers the product.....no having to stock up on anything except what you use personally. But most require a minimum purchase per month to receive any commission from the company.

But saying there are no distributors is not correct. Those that sign others up are distributors.

Again what are these distributors distributing ?

As far as I can tell with Melaleuca all one does is refer people to purchase directly from Melaleuca part of their household consumables.

Then it gets in to what is an MLM. Under the laws of some states almost no company is considered an MLM and in a few states under their laws any company in business qualifies as an MLM.

Sort of like a loose definition of a cult where most of us agree on, say Steve Hassan's defenition of a cult some few will insist a marriage is a cult, too. ( Mine isn't )

What most people call an MLM involves a large investment, carrying inventory, stocking, selling, billing & collecting the money, the sales tax, sometimes delivering the product, pressuring customers to purchase & repeat sales presentations.

There is none of that in Melaleuca.

Initial product purchase ? MLMs require a inventory purchase to start of anywhere from $300 to $20,000 depends on whether it is pots & pans, water filters, expensive magic juice, or whatever.

However the products tend to be expensive and not very much a continued purchase ( most homes only need 1 $5,000 water filter or only 1 set of $2,000 pots & pans - not all but most ).

Then there is the higher than ones own monthly personal consumption purchase requirement to keep buying at wholesale - like one popular vitamin MLM requires a minimum monthly purchase of $350 ( typical $120 to $240 )

Does Melaleuca have a monthly minimum ? YES. They want about 60 bucks of the money you are already spending at Walmart, Costco, or where ever you currently shop for household consumables. Most everybody uses toothpaste, soap, shampoo, deodorant etc. Some of us even do laundry, clean the windows & shower. etc.

And I'll give everyone that most us do not have a strict household budget but we do spend money every month for most of these items.... I mean if I run out of toothpaste I don't tell my wife it is out of budget so we'll get another tube next month, ya know ?

And, I think if someone sits down and listens Melaleuca can show their products do cost less than store brands - sometimes ( not always ! ) even less than the 99 cent store - and make a case for not only being effective at their job but better for you, your family & the enviroment - and save you money at the same time. [ end my Melaleuca plug here].

These MLMs require " new" money , is most often not priced to compete in the real marketplace. There is a popular grape juice in a wine bottle that sells for $40 a bottle - antioxidant. Uh, a glass of Welches Grape juice - by lab tests - shows to have twice the amount of antioxidants.

Typical MLM has 12-25% ( up to 65% ) re-order rate & the attrition rate of 200-400 %
( There has to be VALUE to hold a customer )

Oh, 88% of the people who shop with Melaleuca do just that - they just shop & never refer anybody.

As for those that refer others to Melaleuca? Yes, they get a little commission for that for as long as that person shops there .

Hey, I 'refer' people to a movie, a store, an airline, a resort or hotel and they never send me anything for that referral I sent 'em there!

Could go on & on, but, if anyone is really interested in finding out about Melaleuca one might consider the thing to do would be to talk to someone who really does know something about Melaleuca ( other than a quick 'google' ) and from the actual facts ( which take about an hour to go through ) make up their own mind as whether this company has products that will suit them ..... or not.

Oh, and kudos for the post on how one can make products at home that are safe & effective - good reference info I printed out for future use !

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

No, I'm not kidding you. If there are distributors please can you tell me what they distribute ?

Yes, you used google to find 'something'. As wonderful as the 'net is there is also bogus information that one might be prudent to not take as the word God. There is just no such thing as a distributor in Melaleuca.

Oh, come on.....network marketing/MLM companies have distributors.....so this company calls them Marketing Executives.... that recruit and sign others up to buy product, so that they can get commissions or overrides on the purchases of those underneath them. They distribute information, for one thing, encouraging others to join.....they are the sales force of network marketing/MLM companies. Whether you call them distributors or marketing executives or associates, etc.... these all amount to pretty much the same thing....they are the sales force of a network marketing company or an MLM...they are the way that the company gets it's products advertised so that people will get interested and buy. I think you're nitpicking here.

Here are some Melaleuca distributors..... http://www.npros.com/melaleuca_distributor/

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oh, come on.....network marketing/MLM companies have distributors.....so this company calls them Marketing Executives.... that recruit and sign others up to buy product, so that they can get commissions or overrides on the purchases of those underneath them. They distribute information, for one thing, encouraging others to join.....they are the sales force of network marketing/MLM companies. Whether you call them distributors or marketing executives or associates, etc.... these all amount to pretty much the same thing....they are the sales force of a network marketing company or an MLM...they are the way that the company gets it's products advertised so that people will get interested and buy. I think you're nitpicking here.

Here are some Melaleuca distributors..... http://www.npros.com/melaleuca_distributor/

To Lakey's post :
First a response to "being hooked" on vitamins & minerals that one says by their own opinion make them feel better - so quit 'em. One takes 'em by choice not necessity.

On the other hand, some people "hooked on prescription medications " like statins, blood pressure medication, cholosterol medications ( I'm NOT talking pain killers or anti-depression drugs here ) and IF they were to stop cold turkey there is a very high risk of heart attack, PE, or stroke that just might kill 'em. These are not "choice" medications so " hooked ", I guess, is at least somewhat fair to say.

......

Now, to respond to the quoted post............

Gee, 12 % of the people with Melaleuca present information ( & refer ) to other people and get a 7 % referal fee if they elect to shop with Melaleuca.

OK, they are guilty as charged of " distributing information ". Have both you & I not "distributed information" on this thread, but, I'm nitpicking... really ?

To you, you can feel that MLM & network marketing are the same thing. You are entiled to feel however you wish, but, that does make those 2 things the same.

A very good friend of mine has been with Melaleuca for 17 years and never recieved a penny from Melaleuca - she just loves the products, period.

I have another dear friend who does nothing BUT promote Melaleucaa he makes a serious ( by ANY standard ) amount of money month after month.

So one can do Melaleuca as a business and come in late ( now ) and be successful.
Melaleuca started in 1985 so is 26 years old - and people can come in today & create a nice business if they want to. With an MLM it is pretty much understood those near the ground floor do very well but the late comers don't.

Here is some terminolgy most of us have heard before and every now & again seems the fastest way to make a point. ( God help me, here I go using those words - LOL ! )

So are there those " similarities " in an MLM and Melaleuca - yes.
And do an MLM and Melaleuca also have " differences " yes.
Are an MLM and Melaleuca " identical " - nope.

If pointing that out makes me a nitpicker, well, OK. I like the truth.

I hope I'm done 'splainin Melaleuca on this thread.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Again what are these distributors distributing ?

As far as I can tell with Melaleuca all one does is refer people to purchase directly from Melaleuca part of their household consumables.

Then it gets in to what is an MLM. Under the laws of some states almost no company is considered an MLM and in a few states under their laws any company in business qualifies as an MLM.

Sort of like a loose definition of a cult where most of us agree on, say Steve Hassan's defenition of a cult some few will insist a marriage is a cult, too. ( Mine isn't )

What most people call an MLM involves a large investment, carrying inventory, stocking, selling, billing & collecting the money, the sales tax, sometimes delivering the product, pressuring customers to purchase & repeat sales presentations.

There is none of that in Melaleuca.

Initial product purchase ? MLMs require a inventory purchase to start of anywhere from $300 to $20,000 depends on whether it is pots & pans, water filters, expensive magic juice, or whatever.

However the products tend to be expensive and not very much a continued purchase ( most homes only need 1 $5,000 water filter or only 1 set of $2,000 pots & pans - not all but most ).

Then there is the higher than ones own monthly personal consumption purchase requirement to keep buying at wholesale - like one popular vitamin MLM requires a minimum monthly purchase of $350 ( typical $120 to $240 )

Does Melaleuca have a monthly minimum ? YES. They want about 60 bucks of the money you are already spending at Walmart, Costco, or where ever you currently shop for household consumables. Most everybody uses toothpaste, soap, shampoo, deodorant etc. Some of us even do laundry, clean the windows & shower. etc.

And I'll give everyone that most us do not have a strict household budget but we do spend money every month for most of these items.... I mean if I run out of toothpaste I don't tell my wife it is out of budget so we'll get another tube next month, ya know ?

And, I think if someone sits down and listens Melaleuca can show their products do cost less than store brands - sometimes ( not always ! ) even less than the 99 cent store - and make a case for not only being effective at their job but better for you, your family & the enviroment - and save you money at the same time. [ end my Melaleuca plug here].

These MLMs require " new" money , is most often not priced to compete in the real marketplace. There is a popular grape juice in a wine bottle that sells for $40 a bottle - antioxidant. Uh, a glass of Welches Grape juice - by lab tests - shows to have twice the amount of antioxidants.

Typical MLM has 12-25% ( up to 65% ) re-order rate & the attrition rate of 200-400 %
( There has to be VALUE to hold a customer )

Oh, 88% of the people who shop with Melaleuca do just that - they just shop & never refer anybody.

As for those that refer others to Melaleuca? Yes, they get a little commission for that for as long as that person shops there .

Hey, I 'refer' people to a movie, a store, an airline, a resort or hotel and they never send me anything for that referral I sent 'em there!

Could go on & on, but, if anyone is really interested in finding out about Melaleuca one might consider the thing to do would be to talk to someone who really does know something about Melaleuca ( other than a quick 'google' ) and from the actual facts ( which take about an hour to go through ) make up their own mind as whether this company has products that will suit them ..... or not.

Oh, and kudos for the post on how one can make products at home that are safe & effective - good reference info I printed out for future use !

Thanks for the kudos.

MLM means Multi Level Marketing.....with payouts to you and the people who are signed up underneath you on the levels below you.

My father had a couple of MLMs when I was a child. One of his competitors was Nutrilite. Back then there were only two levels.....it was a new idea in marketing and the payouts in the levels had to be kept track of by hand. Then in the 50's I remember my father talking about his company and the new computer they bought. It was a large punch card computer with a computer operator who stuck cards in it and the computer kept track of the sales and payouts to the distributors - those sales people in the field who were independent contractors and had their own home based business, who then recruited others to sign up and sell the products as well and got paid for those they recruited who were under them. Those were the pioneer days of MLMs and network marketing....there were no so called pyramids yet.....and they were very lucrative for the owner. The distributors didn't do too bad either back then. The market didn't saturate quickly like it does today.

The owner of the MLM or network marketing company is the one who makes the big bucks. His/her little worker bees/distributors/marketing executives are the engine that drives the sales and money coming in to the company. If you want to make a lot of money....figure out a good desirable product and start an MLM.....you will get rich pretty fast these days....and you will be very, very busy and work very hard to make sure all goes right. My dad used to get up at 5am and start work at the kitchen counter (he always liked to work at the kitchen counter) and then he'd go to the office around 9am and worked until he came home for dinner around 6pm. It seemed to me like he was always working except for maybe an hour of TV after dinner before he went to bed early. He worked hard. I asked him once how he came up with all his ideas and stuff. He said...when he went to bed at night, he would take any problems he had and turn them over to a greater power and when he woke up in the morning he would have the answers. My father hated religion and said he was an agnostic. These last two sentences never seemed to fit together for me.

My father said..."People don't necessarily buy what they need....they buy what they want". He based his companies around products that gave people what they wanted with an opportunity for them to make a living with it. He was a pioneer of sorts in this type of marketing. It paid off for him and made a lot of other people happy as well....they loved him for creating this opportunity for them....a lot of them made a decent living for their families.

He did quite well until the govt tromped all over him and he saw the unjust power that they wielded against whomever they chose to squash. He tried to fight it and went to Washington with his attorneys and was told point blank in a govt office that "they had orders". They didn't say who gave the orders. He was shocked. He saw he had no way to fight it. He got so discouraged he caved in and decided to retire and sold his last company, and then it ended up in the Rockefellers hands. I suspected he was pushed out of business by the Rockefellers, since this is the kind of dirty game they play.

Ten years later it was a 30 million dollar company and the Rockefellers suddenly closed it down one day for a tax deduction and that threw all the distributors out of business. These were life long businesses for these distributors and they freaked out. A group of the distributors contacted my parents and asked them if they would please go back into business. They got together and sent my parents $30,000 in advance for product, which they would receive as soon as manufacturing got started, so that my parents could set up manufacturing and whatever was required to be back in business again.

My parents went back into business again under a different name, but with the same or similar formulas and eventually got the original name back after a few court battles. This wasn't easy for them...they were in their 60's and I could see the strain it put on them.

But....this time instead of being sole owners, there were partners and one of them was a crooked accountant. He managed to bankrupt the company with lawsuits and then a friend of his bought it up for a song and the crooked accountant became the new president while the other partners lost out and bit the dust....one even lost his home. He was an Italian with Mafia connections. He was so pissed that he threatened to break the accountant's arms and legs, and might have done so (would have served him right), but my father talked him out of it. My father didn't believe in violence. This crooked accountant always wanted to be the president of the company and my father had that position and was in his way, so this is how that dude wormed his way into running the company.

On top of all this I was in Scientology at the time and I went to Flag on my father's money, thinking I would go there and come back "Superwoman" and be able to handle anything and pay him back. Instead everything went haywire at Flag and I came home in confusion and caved in .... I got nowhere....Flag had his money.....I couldn't ask for it back without getting kicked out and I was so twisted up and I had no way to earn the money to pay my father back and I suffered from this terribly. I was so ashamed and was in an awful hole mentally, emotionally and spiritually. Scientology seemed good in the beginning. I felt better, but my life didn't really get any better and I wondered why. I got stuck and from '78 on it turned into one long nightmare that kept getting worse as time went on. That Bridge to OT seemed more like the Bridge to Hell.

Anyway......back to network marketing/MLM

Maybe people twist the meaning of MLM all around legally or otherwise to fit what they want it to, but MLM still means Multi Level Marketing.....meaning there are levels of distributors or marketing executives or associates with levels of payout. It's a simple complex which seems to have become more complex with time and rules and regulations and laws, etc.

The subject of network marketing/MLMs really got my blabbing here. LOL

 

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oddly. Melaleuca since 1985 has paid out 2.8 billion dollars in referral commissions to families.

So not just the 'early in' can do well at it.

To your definition, Melaleuca is an MLM. It is true for you. So be it.

In reality, Melaleuca is not an MLM.

I do recommend Melaleuca to those interested & I would not recommend any MLM to anybody under any circumstances as MLMs end up hurting - not helping - people.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oddly. Melaleuca since 1985 has paid out 2.8 billion dollars in referral commissions to families.

So not just the 'early in' can do well at it.

To your definition, Melaleuca is an MLM. It is true for you. So be it.

In reality, Melaleuca is not an MLM.

I do recommend Melaleuca to those interested & I would not recommend any MLM to anybody under any circumstances as MLMs end up hurting - not helping - people.

Can I sign up with you if I want to try some of the Melaleuca products?