Thread's not doomed, Veda...people are just playing. It's all good, keep going where you were going.
We already discussed this some on the Sex in the Sea Org and in Scientology thread:
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Transmitting something!
Originally Posted by Leon
We used to play on this "tantric" stuff with Scio back in the '70s. One old timer said that that a yellow beam mocked up from one's belly area to the belly of the target girl will get her turned on. You don't look at her, just mock up the beam as solidly as you can. We got some ideas that it was working but no one would or could confirm that the response they got from the girl wwas entirely due to the beam.
More research needed."
I wrote: "Leon, I think just being relatively close to the woman and thinking "yeah baby!" thoughts about her are enough to turn pheremones on. Our hormonal system is quite a magical thing, actually. Enough time spent mocking up the yellow beam would also be beaming other kinds of subtle messages to her, like phereomones, which she (if healthy) might very well pick up on and respond to. Sometimes it's easy to read someone's energy and intention, with no words spoken or glances exchanged, women especially are very good at this. I am in no way saying you're wrong, Leon, I'm just sayin' it's complicated, and we as a species are VERY GOOD at it!

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Spiritual Sexuality
Originally Posted by hbeer
"I did an introductory workshop on it about two months ago. Plus read some books, and reviewed them here:
http://www.sgmt.at/BookReviews/BodyBooks.htm#Sexuality
I'll probably pass on the highest levels, where a sexual encounter is turned into energy work. To me, energy work is better done as such.
But the early and medium stages, where sexual blockades and trauma are healed by touch and sensuality is developed, I would like to explore some more.
One thing that the coach said during the tantra workshop really turned me off: "It is all about your own experience, not about your partner".
That's not my world. To me, sex is all about my partner. If it were all about myself, I would just play with some rubber toys. But that is no exchange of loving energies.
With some perception of the chakras, all chakras above the second are dead while rubber toy playing. A very incomplete thing. And very lonely."
~and i said~
"Regarding your last three sentences there, I would say, just reach out, contact and connect with the energy, beingness or Spiritual presence of someone you have a loving relationship with (who wouldn't see it as an intrusion!) I think you will find those other upper chakras lighting up and spinning as well!
Dearest Heidrun, I would say that I agree with you completely about the quality of connection and energetic exchange of a loving sexual connection with a partner!
Doing straight up energetic work, alone, with a group or with a partner is all different, not one way so much better than another, I think they all can combine to make for a more complete and richer Spiritual practice and better life experience.
In my experience, as far as a sexual connection goes, it is so much more of powerful and spiritually elevated experience if we (speaking for myself) do focus our energy and caring on our partner and their experience. I think it's largely due to both the way we as women are socialized, that we access more of both sides of our brain at once (can see multiple viewpoints, not to mention have multiple orgasims! Yippee!) and also have tons more oxytosin flowing in our systems than the average man does. That is POWERFUL stuff. (Not putting them down for it, we evolved this way.)
But from the tantric, or sex magic work ( Mackie) point of view of turning the whole thing into a largely Spiritual energy raising and out of body questing type of experience, I do understand and agree with that instructor. Not that you are going to be selfish, rude, mean or not present with your partner, but just that you are in control of your own energy at all times and keep your awareness on your own internal stuff happening within yourself (and beyond your physical body) during the experience, not getting too caught up on the external awareness of what your partners looks like, smells like, tastes like, is doing, etc. It's not that you are unaware of all of these, it's just that energetically, internally, you are raising energy and awareness in a different way than that done when alone. Done at first by dividing your attention somewhat, until you are more practiced.
From that perspective, it is all about your experience. In many ways, even though we are connected to others and all life in the Universe, we are also in essence each one of us all alone in our own Universe. That is to me, one of the great magical mysteries of Life, how we can be so much both states at the same time. Connecting and together or feeling lovingly "at one" with another or others, and also uniquely ourselves and separate at all times.
Fun stuff to explore!
There is also the issue of raising your sexual energy to a high degree and sublimating it into other creative expressions. Have we discussed that yet?
If the Sea Org really mentally, spiritually and emotionally freed their members and taught them to do that, they would be so much more effective, beneficent, and happy, in all ways. Read Napoleon Hill!
I agree, Carmelo, with Heidrun's delicate coloring, she would look lovely in pearls!"
From the thread:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?14931-Sex-in-the-Sea-Org-and-Scientology-in-general