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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Soliloquy

Supposing an organisation, with members of differing ethical standards (as is any group) has as a basic purpose, perhaps unspoken, the freeing of people and works at that under different guises over 60 or more years. It is working to free people from traps of various types. Over the years, within that organisation, knowledge will be obtained. Some of it may not be widely known, but it is there. And in working to free people one must, unless one is unbelievably stupid, gain knowledge of how individuals can be trapped. Over 60 plus years a large amount of knowledge of how to trap people (and hold them trapped) would be obtained. Many ways, with different degrees of brutality, cruelness and covertness. Maybe it is not available to all, freely. But the despotic leader can get it out.

Now imagine that a really despotic person comes along, and gets into a position of control. It would be possible for that person to enforce out of every nook and cranny of that organisation very refined ways of holding members trapped within the organisation. Including subtle ways. One possibility would be to encourage negative tendencies existing in those outside of the organisation who might be critical of the organisation.

This train of thoughts originally arose when (with great glee) I was shown some videos which the “Church” has put on YouTube. They are short excerpts of LRH talks/lectures where he describes his experiences, sometimes as quite young. They are from lectures originally taped, and thus there was no video. They do not seem to contain much data on life. But the Church has (cunningly, in my view) added video material which illustrates the time period Ron is referring to, but also in my view: (a) painting a picture of Ron, the great leader and genius and (b) painting a picture of how dangerous the environment is, with the undertone of how badly we need to follow what the organisation lets its members know of Ron's “path”.

Of course the reason I spent time writing the above and putting it on this gargantuan thread at this time is to appeal to you not to concentrate on discussing the Pilot's demise and events leading up to it. That is playing into the Church's hands (quoting a song “Gloom and misery everywhere – stormy weather” :) ). No, please concentrate on the positive (“Accentuate the positive” - also a song from my younger days).

If you want to bathe in a moment of Positive Pilot, take a look at his Reformation Home page: http://freezoneearth.org/pilot/reformer.html That is not where the “Church” wants you to put your attention. So why not put your attention there – out of spite!

All best wishes,

Ant

PS. If you need more incentive to look at that link, note this. When I was thrown out of the “Church” in 1983, I firmly (and rather unconsciously) believed that the ends justified the means. So do those in that monster today (the underlings). If it was a question of supporting Scientology, which would save the world (the end) any thing was justifiable. That would include trapping countless people, as well as breaking societies laws and covertly killing off enemies who could not be "handled".

It is actually, more like a rud to get his death details out in the open. Otherwie many others think the Co$ caused his death as an OSA Op. That instills fear in them. Fear to speak out. Better to allay the fears. Let the people talk without fear of being killed by OSA.
 

lkwdblds

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Okay...so, you're saying "...that was employed during the old days aboard the Apollo Thread" is not accurate? That, to me, contradicts an earlier post you made today, and earlier posts you have made, re "Hosts and Hostesses" but, obviously, one of us is misreading the other...or both.

No biggie.:no:

Peace.:yes:


Face:)

How did Ron say it, cleaning a clean? There is really nothing about "Org Hostess" to debate. It was an honorary title which I made up just to include Sweetness & Light so that she did not feel slighted. One time, in Oct 2009 she wrote me a PM encouraging me to keep telling the story of Yvonne and CCLA. She said some nice things about me and kept me going for about a week. That was it. Welcoming everybody who posted here, giving them a cute nickname and acking their first post was strictly her own thing. We never talked about it and no duties were assigned. I believe she still does that on all the threads which she starts and some of the threads she participates on.

Meeting for coffee once a month was hatched between me and Sweetness. She Knew a lot of ESMBer's and offered to call them. She did this for 3 meeting but did not show up herself due to logistics problems. I met Candy on New Year's eve and she set up the 4th meeting in early 2010. After that we decided not to have those anymore. Those meetings were just meet ups for Indies and had nothing to do with promoting the Apollo thread!

An Indie who lives in nearby Huntington Beach just contacted me from Facebook and he and his wife are having a barbecue in August. He just wants to meet Indies who live nearby and invited all the Indies in the Orange County - Long Beach area. He is promoting nothing but friendship and fellowship.

The bottom line is simple. Its not important at all but I just want to clear it up. Sweetness pushed me to continue the thread the first time, acked every new person who posted for the first time and helped put together three early meet ups for coffee.

About a week after Sweetness encouraged me to continue the thread, Carmelo contacted me to suggest a plan to reformat the thread into a Magazine format, where nearly everything could be discussed. Carmelo and I both decided to do frequent posting, he would deal mainly with tech issues and I would write about other topics. We would team up on humorous topics such as talking about Jack Benny, Groucho Marx, etc.

Sweetness felt as if she had a special status and was a co creator in the early days with the new format. She did make several contributions so jokingly I referred to her as the thread hostess and when I talked to her personally, I always included her as one of the co-creators of the thread,

Except for the usage of the term, "org hostess" in the last two days, probably since the term was first coined in 2009. through thousands of posts, maybe the term came up two or three times, and even then, just in passing.

I don't know how to say it any clearer, there is no real thread hostess, the term was just made up in 2009 just as an honorary term, only to let Sweetness and Light know that her contributions here in 2009 were appreciated. It is not important, the Apollo thread's stats are not important, being the OP of the thread is not important. I have an interest in tracking the stats - maybe it is a sick and evil thing to do but I don't think so. In deference to those of you who don't like it, I am going to stop mentioning it.

The thread is successful - Carmelo's original concept worked out better than both of our original projections. I'm proud of the part I played in this as I believe he is also, correct me if I am wrong. It's always nice to be a participant in planning something and then be a participant in bringing it to fruition in the physical universe. Doing that may be important. The Apollo thread is sort of an encyclopedia of life. A lot of fine writing by a lot of bright and gifted people exists on a myriad of subjects, including not just writings but audios of great music from many genres and numerous great videos and photographs.

Using Vinnay's technique to extend a thread facilitated this. I have no remorse and as I pointed out earlier today, Vin's technique won't work unless there is a lot of underlying interest in something in the first place.

There exists a full discussion of every aspect of Hubbard and Scientology and this is available on one large thread for anyone who wants to do research and wants to try to sort out in their own mind the what Scientology is truly about. We are not competing with Emma and ESMB, we are part of it. She put the whole Forum here and deserves by far the most credit.

Take it or leave it but the writings, the audios and the videos and the photographs are all here for future reference.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

How did Ron say it, cleaning a clean? <SNIPPED>
Take it or leave it but the writings, the audios and the videos and the photographs are all here for future reference.
Lakey

[video=youtube;4F9MEagVVrc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F9MEagVVrc&feature=related[/video]
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

[video=youtube;gjZUn1VFkAI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZUn1VFkAI[/video]

just like a TV show hostess, only since it is on the internet, fashionable dresses are optional

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(note to FCDC: eat my shorts)

(Note to Carmelo: FCDC would eat her shorts!)

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Another big name drops out of C of S

I just read on Marty Rathbun's blog that Wendy Honnor, former IAS Freedom Medal Winner has just resigned from C of S and the IAS. She cites Debbie Cook's letter of January 1, 2012 and says that she agrees with all points of of Debbie's letter.

Check out Marty's Blog for more details: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/

Her article is on page one but is the second article on the page.
Lakey
 
Re: Another big name drops out of C of S

I just read on Marty Rathbun's blog that Wendy Honnor, former IAS Freedom Medal Winner has just resigned from C of S and the IAS. She cites Debbie Cook's letter of January 1, 2012 and says that she agrees with all points of of Debbie's letter.

Check out Marty's Blog for more details: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/

Her article is on page one but is the second article on the page.
Lakey

There's already a couple of threads discussing this.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Old news is still bigger CURRENT news.

It it wasn't for the destructive crack epidemic I wouldn't have such strong feelings about it.




Western Banks 'Reaping Billions from Colombian Cocaine Trade'


The most far-reaching and detailed analysis to date of the drug
economy in any country – in this case, Colombia – shows that
2.6% of the total street value of cocaine produced remains
within the country, while a staggering 97.4% of profits are
reaped by criminal syndicates, and laundered by banks, in
first-world consuming countries.


"The story of who makes the money from Colombian cocaine is a
metaphor for the disproportionate burden placed in every way on
'producing' nations like Colombia as a result of the prohibition
of drugs," said one of the authors of the study, Alejandro
Gaviria, launching its English edition last week.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31509.htm
 

purple haze

Patron with Honors
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

You can go crazy doin that shit y' know.

john-forbes-nash-photo.jpg


John Nash


Ain't that the truth! :omg:

I just found out "Goebbels had a brilliant and expensive propaganda machine in Nazi Germany ..., [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels] and we are subject very much to the same shit. Just tell the lie over and over and over and people believe it. And Hubbard did that too with KSW on every course. Pure propaganda. On the Class VIII Course on a tape, Ron said 'Hitler knew how to tell a lie, and you got to tell a big one, and tell it over and over, to get their agreement. etc'. That's what he did with Scientology." I believe Hubbard called it "repeater technique". It seems to me that politicians use this very thing, especially on certain news networks. It's like brainwashing, but it's not so obvious to the well indoctrinated.
It's nice to have intelligent friends in high places.:dieslaughing:
 
Mc versus PC when shopping Orbitz

I heard this on the news last night:

On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

By Dana Mattioli | The Wall Street Journal – 2 hours 59 minutes ago

for full article go here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/orbitz-mac-users-steered-pricier-040100900.html


Orbitz Worldwide Inc. (OWW) has found that people who use Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) Mac computers spend as much as 30% more a night on hotels, so the online travel agency is starting to show them different, and sometimes costlier, travel options than Windows visitors see.

The Orbitz effort, which is in its early stages, demonstrates how tracking people's online activities can use even seemingly innocuous information—in this case, the fact that customers are visiting Orbitz.com from a Mac—to start predicting their tastes and spending habits.

Orbitz executives confirmed that the company is experimenting with showing different hotel offers to Mac and PC visitors, but said the company isn't showing the same room to different users at different prices. They also pointed out that users can opt to rank results by price.

Orbitz found Mac users on average spend $20 to $30 more a night on hotels than their PC counterparts, a significant margin given the site's average nightly hotel booking is around $100, chief scientist Wai Gen Yee said. Mac users are 40% more likely to book a four- or five-star hotel than PC users, Mr. Yee said, and when Mac and PC users book the same hotel, Mac users tend to stay in more expensive rooms.

"We had the intuition, and we were able to confirm it based on the data," Orbitz Chief Technology Officer Roger Liew said.

<Snipped>
The effort underscores how retailers are becoming bigger users of so-called predictive analytics, crunching reams of data to guess the future shopping habits of customers. The goal is to tailor offerings to people believed to have the highest "lifetime value" to the retailer.

<Snipped>
Other searches showed more significant differences. A Mac search for a hotel in Miami Beach for two nights in July displayed costlier boutique hotels on the first page of results, such as Sagamore, the Art Hotel and the Boulan South Beach, that weren't displayed on the PC's first page. Among hotels appearing in both searches, some pricier options (such as the $212 Eden Roc Renaissance and the $397 Fontainebleau) were listed higher on the Mac. Overall, hotels on the first page of the Mac search were about 11% more expensive than they were on the PC.
Similarly, hotels on the first page of results for Baton Rouge, La., appeared in different order for Mac and PC and were 13% more expensive in aggregate for the Mac search.
Rival travel sites Expedia Inc. (EXPE), Priceline.com Inc. (PCLN) and Travelocity, which is a unit of Sabre Holdings Corp., don't use a person's computer operating system when suggesting hotels, spokesmen said. Apple declined to comment.
Neil Sazant, president of Sagamore, reacted with a mix of admiration and concern to the algorithm. "That's incredible, but I wouldn't want to miss out on PC users," he said. Mr. Sazant says about 15% of rooms at the 93-room hotel are booked through a mix of online sites like Orbitz and that appearing on the first page of results is important in those searches.
 
I stole this

I stole this from a Wendy Honor thread:

It rehabbed an acid trip or two, for me. I think what is said is really profound, and needs to be looked at with a magnifying glass.

reference:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=697003

That's interesting because the qualities you're talking about are basically those of a junkie. What some drugs do is create a pleasure or satisfaction that temporarily gratifies every desire a person has and so ends the desire for normal things. For example a person would normally get pleasure from raising kids, or being good at one's job etc., things that would take a fair amount of time and effort but be satisfying in the end. But drugs like cocaine can instantly satisfy every urge, even the urge to eat, or take care of one's children and so a person no longer has a desire to do these things. They just want more coke.

It's almost like Elron's addictions transferred into his drech just to make more addicts even though even though the drug he made had no biological effects. You have to give it to the old bastard that he found a way to take advantage of a serious weakness in humans. And based on the absurd grandiosity of scientology the weakness seems to be the ego. I know it was for me and I cringe when remembering how much of an ass I made of myself by believing I was so much more right than everybody else.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is for all you old fogies in Apollo-Land:

oldiestelevision.com

This will keep you entertained for years!!

You can scroll down the listed links, click, and watch anything. TV shows (we sure had some good ones), songs (you'll be singing along) - oh my - what a collection.

Groucho Marx on You Bet Your Life for me.

Lloyd Bridges on Sea Hunt for Carmelo.

The Adventures of Superman and Arthur Godfrey, His Way Or No Way for Facey.

A Tribute to the Roots of TV Baseball for Lakey.

The Musical Comedy Genius of Victor Borge for Mr. Baker.

Voyage To the Bottom of the Sea for all of us Co$ Watchers.

And so much more...
 

Svetka

Patron with Honors
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I was suggested to break the Candy Swanson's video into the smaller parts, so I did.

Here is the first part: "Love Components and Cycles of Action"

http://youtu.be/rO2-QI3tgPk

I will add the rest as they get uploaded.
 
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