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MORMONISM - using the same "mind control" tactics as SCIENTOLGY!

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
It looks like Joseph Smith et al read the same crap ole El Tubbo read! You will not believe the similarities between Scientology and Mormonism re: Mind Control and getting you to do whatever "they" want you to do. "They" being the fearless dictators that run the show to "get the show on the road"...as my EO once told me after declaring several people SP's recently! Hip Hip Hooray!!!

THE Nature of the PATTERN and THE DOUBLE Bound IN MORMONISM WTF?:omg:

Stage One: The Pattern: Anxiety - Question - Fear

Basic Survival Needs. This first stage concerns Human Relationships and Life. A problem exists, something is missing, and this void makes our lives feel empty, or incomplete ... we can even feel as if our very survival is threatened. Its core is centered on our closest ties to reality --- the family.

Unsatisfied longings urge us to seek fulfillment so that we can feel complete. This lack becomes a problem because we cannot function well until the problem is solved; in some cases, we may even become incapacitated emotionally and mentally. We look for solutions and are vulnerable in our search because we are going into unknown territory; we have no previous experience to guide us. We seek out those who seem to know or have answers ... those who can help us fill the void.

Whether one is born into Mormonism, or not, everyone's need is for genuine, human social relationships ... personal, sympathetic, caring relationships ... to be understood --- to love and to be loved. These are human needs that are acknowledged in the Open System of reality. We are individuals with social needs. If these needs are missing, a void is created. Between each stage of the maturation process, there is a transitional stage of relative confusion. Ideally, to reach the next stage of growth we will have been previously taught problem-solving principles, in general, in order to apply them to a present confusion. Ironically, this is not applied nor taught in the realm of family relationships within Mormonism, even though its doctrinal base is the family. The words may be spoken, but the means are omitted.
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The Pattern destroys the awareness of all the above necessary faculties for the realization of our own individual identity; the most essential parts of us as human beings are missing.

Therefore, all that is human and intrinsic to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, is invalidated. The Pattern destroys Identity, along with integrity of mind, and the ability to truly love.

IT DOES THIS BY TURNING THE REAL WORLD UPSIDE-DOWN
THROUGH FRAUD AND THEFT

It operates by reversing the order of our natural functions, and by replacement, as follows:

1. The MIND of a controller, whom I call the "Binder," reverses the basic order, and replaces the individual's brainwith the Mind of the Binder; as a result, sense perceptions to the brain are invalidated.

2. "FEELINGS" that are attached to the pre-conceived ideas in the Binder's Mind replace individual authentic perceptions and their accompanying emotions.

3. The BODY of the individual is now last in order, and becomes the property of the Binder, and is his to control, replacing Self-control.

If you want more..please go to: exmormon.org and look up "The nature of the pattern and the double bound" WTF?:omg::omg::omg:

it is quite revealing and you will see some very similar tactics used to control the clams!
 
When I first got out of Scn a couple years ago, Ex-mormons were some of the first people I turned to for support. They have some amazing stories themselves. I think there is a "cookie cutter" handbook on how to build a cult, these frickin churches use the same tactics, their just preaching to a different choir is all. Ex-Jehova's, Ex-Pentacostals, Ex-Amish.. it's all the same tactics, they all have very similar stories to tell. Church is a scam!!! :ohmy:
 
I've joined several forums for ex-mormons, ex jw, etc.. it's been very eye opening, there's a bigger more sinister thing happening in the name of "religion" ..people seem to NEED to believe in something so much, to the point where they give up a part of themselves to be a part of a group. It's very sad, alot of the exes from Mormonism, Amish etc have been shunned and disconnected from as well.. they are going through alot of the same things we ex scn's are going through..
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
When I first got out of Scn a couple years ago, Ex-mormons were some of the first people I turned to for support. They have some amazing stories themselves. I think there is a "cookie cutter" handbook on how to build a cult, these frickin churches use the same tactics, their just preaching to a different choir is all. Ex-Jehova's, Ex-Pentacostals, Ex-Amish.. it's all the same tactics, they all have very similar stories to tell. Church is a scam!!! :ohmy:

Yeah, those friggin plagarists, ripping off my TV offer success kit course, MAKING BIG MONEY IN THE CULT BUSINESS. They should leave me the hell alone. After all, all I want is $39.95 plus S&H. They should really just publish their own damn "how to" course, and on another subject. Maybe I should sue them or something.

Pete
 
It looks like Joseph Smith et al read the same crap ole El Tubbo read! ...

Insularity of groups.

Groups innately enforce 'group values' and punish those perceived as contrary to group mores.

You see the same thing to varying degrees with any human group. Remember what the cliques were like in high school?


Mark A. Baker
 
Insularity of groups.

Groups innately enforce 'group values' and punish those perceived as contrary to group mores.

You see the same thing to varying degrees with any human group. Remember what the cliques were like in high school?


I hated high school because of the cliques :duh:
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
EVERY CULT - including all the MLMs who use the same tactics - employs the same tools.

Christian Science are as bad as scientology - so are the JW's and ISKCON
 

koki

Silver Meritorious Patron
There is a great vid on YT- something like HOW TO START A CULT- made by some high school gang...
They covered it all...
You can find it here on ESMB,with comments-or go search YT...
 

Sydney

Patron
A large factor in why most cults, religions and high control entities have so many similarities has to do with the type of people who found these entities, nearly one and all of them are of the sociopathic order refered to as "malignant narcissists" they use the same set of skills to achieve the same goal, complete environmental control thru deception, manipulation, lying and back stabbing. A cult is the ultimate manifestation of their insecurity. Seriously read up on it ,quite the eye opener, especially when you start coating notes about the personalities of the various cult founders and operators. The similarities are profuse.
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
I've just written a thread about organized religion just a few minutes ago-though from a different perspective.
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
There is a great vid on YT- something like HOW TO START A CULT- made by some high school gang...
They covered it all...
You can find it here on ESMB,with comments-or go search YT...

Yup, it is awesome! Think this is just a small part of a bigger project, I seem to recall several parts in the long version, but that said, a most excellent production and something I wish everyone shows their kids and families, dats love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E

:cheers:
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
The problem with Christian Science is that they have an intrinsically destructive arbitrary about the medical care. Which they enforce.

They also have some extremely nice esoteric ideas that hae benefitted some people. But organizationally, they've caused people to die because of their enforced incorporated caveat against medical care.

I'd suggest to readers that they take the advice I give in another thread- go beyond and ditch the need for organized religion and have whichever ideological views you like. But never let anyone tell you what to believe or do.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
The problem with Christian Science is that they have an intrinsically destructive arbitrary about the medical care. Which they enforce.

They also have some extremely nice esoteric ideas that hae benefitted some people. But organizationally, they've caused people to die because of their enforced incorporated caveat against medical care.

I'd suggest to readers that they take the advice I give in another thread- go beyond and ditch the need for organized religion and have whichever ideological views you like. But never let anyone tell you what to believe or do.

actually Claire it goes much deeper than a "destructive arbitrary about the medical care"

in Christian Science "theology" illness is a manifestation of innn\er evil.

Handicapped children are shunned.

We have a family friend whose family are hard-core CS. Our friend gave birth to a daughter who was born with some devastating condition the name of which I have no idea but it meant that the daughter did not grow as she should and it was a terminal illness.

we knew them both, the daughter rode (with nancy) on our horse and they (and our friends son) visited often.

From after the diagnosis our friend's parents refused to talk with her, they gave no financial support (they are very wealthy) - even though she ended up as a single mom. they refused to achnowledge that their grand daughter even existed.

Sadly the diagnosis played out and the young girl died at the age of 11.

They never even attended the funeral or sent flowers.

it is an asshole "religion" . Pure and simple.
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
Hi, Mickster,

I phrased it that way because I've known of people who derived a lot of comfort from other teachings in Xtian Science. But, yes, your point is taken. The religion is innately flawed for these reasons.

My friend is a youthful 71 year old, a lovely light hearted person whose mom was a Christian Scientist. My friend's definitely not a Christian Scientist. Her children received medical care when they needed it. Ann herself goes to the doctor as needed, whenever something comes up. She has grandchildren who live in normal non Xtian Science homes. If they weren't receiving their shots and going to the doctor, Ann would raise hell.

But she has described some rather lovely spiritual techniques in Xtian Science. I think she and some others she knows do a sort of cherry picking. But it's probably a very isolationist one off type thing that they're doing. None of them are on board with blame the victim (ill/injured person) concept. So they aren't Christian Scientists.

The way you feel about them is the way I feel about Islam. I've noticed that Islamic apologists often mention that this or that isn't really in the Koran, those guys are doing it rong, it's a religion of Peace. I have friends who defend adherents, citing how lovely and modern they are. IMO, those adherents are nice and lovely in spite of their toxic religion. Not because of it. And to the degree that they are decent and modern is the degree to which they aren't living as Mohammed and current clergy would have them do.

It's probably a lot like Scn. There are these innate flaws. Then it will be pointed out that hey, there are so many that it's no longer a question of some flaws, but that the whole thing gets messed up and people shouldn't do it.

It's why I now feel that if one is going to be isolating any nice concepts or Grade audting on problems or communication or a pleasant idea about spirituality, then let's don't call it Scn anymore. This is not something I used to say, as I'm very sure you know.

Religions become about control. They may start out as an exercise to reach for spirituality, they get the control aspect in very quickly, though. Or they had that aspect and purpose from inception. And there are still those involved who just want to reach for spirituality and they put up with- or are forced to- the controlling aspect.

That's the problem with them.

We are fortunate in that Western society has moved forward from one where it's illegal to be an atheist. Illegal to skip church service or Mass.

It truly is a bad thing to be controlled and have ones decision making abilities curtailed or stopped by people who were supposed to be helping us connect to the Divine.
 
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