LRH Death Event/Question for long time exes

[HelluvaHoax!]

I no longer care how LRH died.

He is dead.

Now I'd like to see the current guy hauled off to jail.

And I want to see the cult organization known as the Church of Scientology disbanded, closed down, and branded as the criminal organization it is.

End of story.

TG1

WAIT! Before you abandon Scientology, I want to share some more of my wins on the tech with you.....

One night after course when I got to my car, I obnosed that there was a parking ticket on the windshield. I used theta perceptics to scan the environment and then spotted a traffic cop that was downtone. I noticed that there was a being inside body who was causing all the CI and enturbulation on my lines. I telepathically told him to leave and go get a body. He telepathically said that he already has a body. So I r-factored him that it was the traffic cop's body and he responded that he is the traffic cop. So I telepathically assigned him Liability for putting entheta on my lines. Just then he looked up at me (he was only 3 feet away from where my mest body was confronting him with TR-0) and said: "Do you got a problem buddy?" I didn't Q & A with his verbal circuits and continued TR-3ing my telepathic commands, briefing him that he really needed to get on the Bridge and safeguard his eternity. He didn't say anything but I could tell the being really got it and that he would be signing up for the com course soon. I telepathically acknowledged him for that cog and told him that he still needed to do the Liability Formula. He got on his motorcycle and left and I smiled to myself, knowing that I had salvaged another being.

So, can you see now that you would be missing out on these kind of OT abilities if you blow Scientology?

 

[Gottabrain]

Re: LRH Death Event/Question for long term exes

I was still an active Scientologist in '86 but I did not go to the event.

WAHT?! You mean your org FALSE REPORTED YOU WERE THERE?!

I am so shocked. False reports in Scn... who woulda thought?

Your org did a crap job. Other orgs hinted it was about L Ron dying (we couldn't say it outright) and the curiosity alone got people to the event - they didn't want to hear it secondhand from someone else.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: LRH Death Event/Question for long term exes

WAHT?! You mean your org FALSE REPORTED YOU WERE THERE?!

I am so shocked. False reports in Scn... who woulda thought?

Your org did a crap job. Other orgs hinted it was about L Ron dying (we couldn't say it outright) and the curiosity alone got people to the event - they didn't want to hear it secondhand from someone else.

I never reported anything about being there or not being there.

I already knew from Ron's tech that the command "To Report" was a gimmick used by implanters.

I would like to think that if I HAD gone, when Broeker licked his lips and held up the 180 digit date--and the Scientologists "knowingly" laughed on cue, I would have stood up and walked out. Well, that's my fantasy, anyways.

 

[Gottabrain]

Re: LRH Death Event/Question for long term exes

I never reported anything about being there or not being there.

I already knew from Ron's tech that the command "To Report" was a gimmick used by implanters.

I would like to think that if I HAD gone, when Broeker licked his lips and held up the 180 digit date--and the Scientologists "knowingly" laughed on cue, I would have stood up and walked out. Well, that's my fantasy, anyways.

Yeh, they weren't supposed to ORDER people there, exactly. Most of the execs asked if L Ron had died and I would answer that in such a way that they knew he did although I hadn't said so and then from there, the word of mouth alone made call-in easy.

My fantasy is that when they were all standing up clapping and acting like morons that I had crawled out, picked up my son and blew right then and there.

I don't know anyone besides my ex-husband who took that date seriously. He was super brainwashed.

I mean... SRSLY?

 

[Sautez]

I have so much to say, add or agree with what you all wrote above on this thread that now my brain is a wad of spaghetti and I'm lookin' around for the meatballs.

I'll come back tomorrow.

Okay, One thing now: TRUMAN SHOW

 

[Operating DB]

S&L,

(Snipetty snip snip..... yeah, I know that comes across as gay, but so what?)

I just think it's wildly wishful thinking to make Miscavige Hubbard's murderer. There's absolutely zero evidence for it. And absolutely no one who was there when he died or nearby or was there just before or just after has suggested that murder was committed.

TG1

I agree. It doesn't indicate. (barf, sorry about that cult sounding phrase).
The conspiracy theorists would perhaps like to think that DM was possibly a murderess. But what I think it comes down to is that DM was a opportunist and was very on his toes and took advantage of other peoples weaknesses (another cult sounding word) and whatever situation came along that he could take advantage of. Hubberd had a stroke and had one before. It did him in. DM took advantage of it.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: LRH Death Event/Question for long term exes

I was still an active Scientologist in '86 but I did not go to the event.

Something about being ordered to a "mandatory" event.

Likewise, I refused my orders to fly to the "mandatory" crusades. Something seemed fatally dorky about walking around with a protest sign that someone else wanted me to carry while chanting "not one thin dime for Wallersheim" or whatever the jingle-du-jour was.

I never got why anybody needed to "order" anyone to do anything. I didn't need an "order" to get into Scientology and (theoretically) all the Grade Chart levels that I did were supposed to make me more able--so why was I suddenly less able and needing "orders"?

It just made me cringe when I saw people yelling "Hip Hip Hooray!" too. Refused to do that as well.

At the time, I just kinda assumed that I was an SP.

Turned out I was right, but I didn't know (then) that being an "SP" was really cool and fun!

Really great point, Helluva, about you making the decision to join up in the first place without needing orders. Then you take levels to make you even more able than you were before you made the decision to join. It seemed that the higher up one went, the more they were given orders which is completely ass backwards from the way it should have been.

I used to use a variation of your argument against "born again" Christians if they tried to hard to get me to join up. Their line stated that on one's own, one cannot make proper decisions but only through accepting Christ will one be able to make correct decisions. I countered that for most Christians, the decision to accept Jesus was done on their own without any help from Jesus or God. I suggested that if one could make such an important decision "correctly" on their own without help or orders then why do they always need Jesus's guidance after they decided on their own to accept him as their savior.

One thing for certain, you were never a robot, blindly accepting orders. Not all of us on this board can make that claim!
Lakey

 

[Idle Morgue]

I was not there however, I learned on my Oatee levels that I had some BT's and a few cluster's that were there.

They are long gone now thanks to my C/S helping me spot them and giving them the appropriate command - they left a few years ago. I have not spotted them since. Whew - they were the source of all ARCX!

While I was in comm with them...they told me that Pat Broeker was lying. There are no OATEE levels to be released. David Miscavige kicked Pat out and thinks he has the upper Oatee levels. Pat did get away with a butt load of cash and buried it in locations only known to Pat, Annie and my BT's! They were sworn to secrecy.

Xenu killed LRH. It was a slow and painful death. LRH was a mess - no real friends or family. Not even his Billion dollars he was hoarding could save him.

David Miscavige would become the demise of Scientology. He would rise to be a DICK - Tator and there would be a mutiny.

They told me he would not know how to manage the money, he would pick the wrong friends (those with some nasty-ass BT's). His family would disown him and he was doomed for eternity. He has some of the nastiest BT's and cluster's in this galaxy and there is no "tech" to remove them. They are too occluded from him. He is in an incident of long duration.

Looks like those little bastards were right!

 

[Anonycat]

I hear word that the entire first and second row of the BT implant theater #1, are now BTs in DM. They're eating popcorn and laughing.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: LRH Death Event/Question for long term exes

I don't know anyone besides my ex-husband who took that date seriously. He was super brainwashed.

I mean... SRSLY?

Loyal Officer giggle Broeker could have held up ANYTHING on that piece of paper and Loyal Scientologists would have blown charge and knowingly commented to their neighbor: "Wow! That really indicates!"

For some reason, I think I should dedicate this post to Smilla who is an aficionado & master in the art of capturing sublime cult absurdities. LOL

 

[Stat]

WAIT! Before you abandon Scientology, I want to share some more of my wins on the tech with you.....

One night after course when I got to my car, I obnosed that there was a parking ticket on the windshield. I used theta perceptics to scan the environment and then spotted a traffic cop that was downtone. I noticed that there was a being inside body who was causing all the CI and enturbulation on my lines. I telepathically told him to leave and go get a body. He telepathically said that he already has a body. So I r-factored him that it was the traffic cop's body and he responded that he is the traffic cop. So I telepathically assigned him Liability for putting entheta on my lines. Just then he looked up at me (he was only 3 feet away from where my mest body was confronting him with TR-0) and said: "Do you got a problem buddy?" I didn't Q & A with his verbal circuits and continued TR-3ing my telepathic commands, briefing him that he really needed to get on the Bridge and safeguard his eternity. He didn't say anything but I could tell the being really got it and that he would be signing up for the com course soon. I telepathically acknowledged him for that cog and told him that he still needed to do the Liability Formula. He got on his motorcycle and left and I smiled to myself, knowing that I had salvaged another being.

So, can you see now that you would be missing out on these kind of OT abilities if you blow Scientology?

This ^^^ is really good. It also made me laugh, so thank you HH!

I would like to share my Success Story here too, I hope it's not a big derail.

One day, my internet was acting up, so I engaged my theta perceptions and
spotted a confused thetan in my cable. I addressed him with ARC and Tone 40
and he acted all surprised and shy. I told him to put his manners in and get a
new body and he complied with joy.

Then I went to RadioShack and bought me a new cable. Everyone wins!

 

[Gadfly]

I believe that what you wrote above is true. For me, it was difficult to figure out whether or not Hubbard ever intended an orderly succession of power. He made a couple of moves in the Spring of 1982 which looked like a transfer of power when he appointed David Mayo to be the Senior C/S Int and told him to incorporate his office. He also appointed Bill Franks as ED International at about that same time.

After those appointment, nothing more was done until just before his death when he appointed Pat Broeker and Annie Broeker as "Loyal Officers". Certainly he did not do any "Power Change" formula or make any effort to actually turn over his hats after those two 1982 appointment. Probably deteriorating physical health and mental acuity prevented him from acting in 1982 and 1983 and by the time of his death, he may have been too weak to act but more likely, he just didn't care any more.

He may have reasoned as you state above. Probably know one will ever know for sure but what you posted above is probably the closest anyone will come to figuring it all out.
Lakey

To me, this is one of the HUGE "unknowns" in Scientology.

If only somebody like Broeker, who was THERE WITH THE ACTUAL HUBBARD, could tell all about what happened in those last few years. For the sake of TRUTH.

Actual time, place, form and event.

But either Broeker has been frightened into a corner, or on some level he is STILL a fuckin' idiodic "loyal officer" (and protecting the whole scam). Remember, it isn't actually "loyal to the goals of freedom", it is "loyal to the scam".

So many of the die-hard Scientology true believers go along with this sort of fantasy, which keep them glued to the scam:

Ron was a super-being who knowingly and causatively dropped his body to move onto new states of existence and advanced research.

The truth of the matter seems somewhat different. Over the past few years, leading up to his "early death" (as compared to most other Earth humans), he was in POOR and DETERIORATING physical condition. ONLY the people who were right there with him can give a factual account of this. I think it would be beyond real to true believers that Hubbard was NOT benefitting in any way from Scientology regarding his "physical condition".

Second, regarding Hubbard's "case condition", I have heard and read that Hubbard was so bad near the end that he was hallucinating and yelling at BTs! That he had worked himself into a sort of mania and phobia about being overwhelmed with BTs. If this is true, this is also something that would blow the roof off of the tops of the heads of the true believers.

People like Pat Broeker REALLY piss me off. He KNOWS the "truth". He could go on TV, write a book, give endless interviews and SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. He could demystify what is a big DUB-IN for the majority of Scientologists.

What kind of piece-of-shit human being HIDES the truth about Hubbard, especially back then in 1986, so that the RUSE could be kept alive? These people who were with Hubbard KNEW FULL WELL that he was NOT "OT", and that all the claims of the "tech" were bogus. They KNEW that Hubbard never wrote up any advanced OT levels. They KNEW that there was no "Bridge to Total Freedom".

Yet they stay quiet.

Pat Broeker is in a unique position of having been there. He could relay the "truth" to others.

I don't think that Miscavige's "fear" of Broeker was that he might have had the "secret advanced notes from Hubbard" as has been previously mentioned on this thread. I suspect that his FEAR is that Broeker would eventually come out and TELL IT ALL - that Hubbard was a mental & physical MESS in those days, and that for all the many claims of Scientology, it was HELPLESS to help and assist even the GRAND LEADER hisself.

 

[Smilla]

Like most here I don't know what happened in Hubbard's decline and death, but knowing the character of some of the people who were there, I think it very likely that Hubbard was exploited and taken advantage of in the end.

How could it not be so?

 

[Gadfly]

Like most here I don't know what happened in Hubbard's decline and death, but knowing the character of some of the people who were there, I think it very likely that Hubbard was exploited and taken advantage of in the end.

How could it not be so?

Like father . . . . like son . . . . (metaphorically-speaking)

Or, in image form:

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

To me, this is one of the HUGE "unknowns" in Scientology.

If only somebody like Broeker, who was THERE WITH THE ACTUAL HUBBARD, could tell all about what happened in those last few years. For the sake of TRUTH.

Actual time, place, form and event.

But either Broeker has been frightened into a corner, or on some level he is STILL a fuckin' idiodic "loyal officer" (and protecting the whole scam). Remember, it isn't actually "loyal to the goals of freedom", it is "loyal to the scam".

So many of the die-hard Scientology true believers go along with this sort of fantasy, which keep them glued to the scam:

Ron was a super-being who knowingly and causatively dropped his body to move onto new states of existence and advanced research.

The truth of the matter seems somewhat different. Over the past few years, leading up to his "early death" (as compared to most other Earth humans), he was in POOR and DETERIORATING physical condition. ONLY the people who were right there with him can give a factual account of this. I think it would be beyond real to true believers that Hubbard was NOT benefitting in any way from Scientology regarding his "physical condition".

Second, regarding Hubbard's "case condition", I have heard and read that Hubbard was so bad near the end that he was hallucinating and yelling at BTs! That he had worked himself into a sort of mania and phobia about being overwhelmed with BTs. If this is true, this is also something that would blow the roof off of the tops of the heads of the true believers.

People like Pat Broeker REALLY piss me off. He KNOWS the "truth". He could go on TV, write a book, give endless interviews and SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. He could demystify what is a big DUB-IN for the majority of Scientologists.

What kind of piece-of-shit human being HIDES the truth about Hubbard, especially back then in 1986, so that the RUSE could be kept alive? These people who were with Hubbard KNEW FULL WELL that he was NOT "OT", and that all the claims of the "tech" were bogus. They KNEW that Hubbard never wrote up any advanced OT levels. They KNEW that there was no "Bridge to Total Freedom".

Yet they stay quiet.

Pat Broeker is in a unique position of having been there. He could relay the "truth" to others.

I don't think that Miscavige's "fear" of Broeker was that he might have had the "secret advanced notes from Hubbard" as has been previously mentioned on this thread. I suspect that his FEAR is that Broeker would eventually come out and TELL IT ALL - that Hubbard was a mental & physical MESS in those days, and that for all the many claims of Scientology, it was HELPLESS to help and assist even the GRAND LEADER hisself.

That post was so perfectly & succinctly complete, I can't think of a word to add.

So, I guess we'll just ask Mr. Broeker if he has any final clarifying remarks. . .

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

...

Regarding the life and times of L. Ron Hubbard and his death...

In perfect symmetry, his life's work in Scientology both began and ended with he same acceptable truth.

1950: Using his advanced spiritual technology, Ron went CLEAR, rising above the human condition (lame and blind).

1886: Using his advanced spiritual technology, Ron went OT, rising above the human condition (lame and dead).​

 

[WildKat]

I can't actually remember if I was at the event or not. But I had some of the same impressions from the event (seeing it later on video) as given here already. The auditing worksheet with all the numbers on it, I saw as a negative, not something "cool" or cute. I remember those tedious dating drills from the e-meter course and how much I hated them.

I also thought that LRH must not be very OT if he just went away and didn't leave an actual message, like a recording, for his followers. How incompetent is that?? Very sloppy, in my opinion.

I also remember thinking Pat Broeker did not look like I remembered seeing him. I had met him about 6 years earlier in LA and had a completely different impression of what he was like. He seemed so nervous and wishy-washy on the stage. When I had met him previously he seemed very intense, not someone you would want to mess with.

In any event, I remember shortly after the event that a lot of people in the community got sick, especially where I worked. I assumed at the time it was the "secondary" from the huge loss of our leader.

I think it was just a shock for a lot of people that this "big OT" was subject to the same ending as all life and that he went out the way he did, quietly, with no fanfare.

 

[Gadfly]

Ah, it is good to see the 'ole cowpoke now and again!

There he is! Buddha reincarnated! In a cowboy hat!

 

[WildKat]

To me, this is one of the HUGE "unknowns" in Scientology.

If only somebody like Broeker, who was THERE WITH THE ACTUAL HUBBARD, could tell all about what happened in those last few years. For the sake of TRUTH.

Actual time, place, form and event.

But either Broeker has been frightened into a corner, or on some level he is STILL a fuckin' idiodic "loyal officer" (and protecting the whole scam). Remember, it isn't actually "loyal to the goals of freedom", it is "loyal to the scam".

So many of the die-hard Scientology true believers go along with this sort of fantasy, which keep them glued to the scam:

Ron was a super-being who knowingly and causatively dropped his body to move onto new states of existence and advanced research.

The truth of the matter seems somewhat different. Over the past few years, leading up to his "early death" (as compared to most other Earth humans), he was in POOR and DETERIORATING physical condition. ONLY the people who were right there with him can give a factual account of this. I think it would be beyond real to true believers that Hubbard was NOT benefitting in any way from Scientology regarding his "physical condition".

Second, regarding Hubbard's "case condition", I have heard and read that Hubbard was so bad near the end that he was hallucinating and yelling at BTs! That he had worked himself into a sort of mania and phobia about being overwhelmed with BTs. If this is true, this is also something that would blow the roof off of the tops of the heads of the true believers.

People like Pat Broeker REALLY piss me off. He KNOWS the "truth". He could go on TV, write a book, give endless interviews and SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. He could demystify what is a big DUB-IN for the majority of Scientologists.

What kind of piece-of-shit human being HIDES the truth about Hubbard, especially back then in 1986, so that the RUSE could be kept alive? These people who were with Hubbard KNEW FULL WELL that he was NOT "OT", and that all the claims of the "tech" were bogus. They KNEW that Hubbard never wrote up any advanced OT levels. They KNEW that there was no "Bridge to Total Freedom".

Yet they stay quiet.

Pat Broeker is in a unique position of having been there. He could relay the "truth" to others.

I don't think that Miscavige's "fear" of Broeker was that he might have had the "secret advanced notes from Hubbard" as has been previously mentioned on this thread. I suspect that his FEAR is that Broeker would eventually come out and TELL IT ALL - that Hubbard was a mental & physical MESS in those days, and that for all the many claims of Scientology, it was HELPLESS to help and assist even the GRAND LEADER hisself.

Thank you - Thank you - Thank you! Well said.

When I first bailed out years ago, I was obsessed with trying to find out what happened to Pat Broeker. I thought he should come forward and tell his story. It pissed me off that he didn't.

There are several theories why he wouldn't, one being legal issues. Another being that maybe he realized what a deluded idiot he had been and is ashamed and just wants to be left alone. Another theory being that he doesn't want to be the one who disappoints all the true believers. It would be like the mean guy who tells all the little kids there is no Santa Claus. How cruel that would be!

 

[Gadfly]

Another theory being that he doesn't want to be the one who disappoints all the true believers. It would be like the mean guy who tells all the little kids there is no Santa Claus. How cruel that would be!

Yes, but isn't it even MORE CRUEL to allow grown adults to keep believing in Santa Claus? Metaphorically-speaking?

I am all for being concerned about the feelings of others, and not upsetting others with data that they can't have or don't want to confront. Though, I am far more prone to allow for this in the young (under the age of 10-12).

BUT, there is a point where TRUTH trumps "what allows people to feel good".

Perpetuating lies and falsehoods, lies and falsehoods that are a part of a TRAP, because these lies and falsehoods enable certain poeople to "feel good" is pretty LOW on my scale of importances.

At least, that is how it works in MY value system.