70’s Flag Ethics & Justice Course?

[Dimwad]

In the mid to late 70’s there was some sort of confidential Flag Ethics & Justice Specialist course. The qualifications and vetting needed to get on the course were fairly stringent and I believe it was delivered to staff only. Rumors were the materials on the course were highly sensitive and restimulative. The course was cancelled after a short run and might have been a pilot course.

I was tech staff at a CL IV Org at the time. We sent 2 solid, on purpose and highly trusted staff members to Flag to get trained on this course. The first person blew the course and never returned to the org. The second person was routed off of the course and sent back to the org. The change in his personality after returning from flag compared to before he went was stark. The once extroverted and cheerful guy came home very quiet, nervous and broken. He hung on for a couple of months and then blew staff never to be heard of again.

Over the years I’ve heard similar accounts of people blowing during and after taking this course.

My questions are: Does anyone remember the name of the course? Has anyone here taken that course? Does anyone know what the course consisted of?

‘Just curious.

Dimwad

 

[AnonyMary]

Wasn't this course related to the earlier works that evolved into the Ethics and Justice Repair Rundown, which is one of the 12 rundowns of Super Power?

Super Power was announced in 1978. Here are some references to the RD. There had to be a course to train the auditors on in order for them to eventually deliver the RD. Perhaps it was a pilot course?

http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/misc/superpower
http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_s.htm
http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/spb1.htm

 

[Dimwad]

Hello AM,

Thanks for your idea and the neat links. I don’t think this course had anything to do with the SP rundown or auditing tech. The people we sent to do the course were not highly tech trained. They were supposed to return to the org as some sort of super-duper ethics & justice experts.

One requirement for being allowed on the course was good case gain and stable case condition. The reason given was the course material was difficult to confront and might cave-in a student with an unstable case. I was on the org tech line to make sure our candidates met the case condition requirements.

Last night I did a people search for the two guys we sent to do the course thinking I might ask my questions directly to them. I found both died at a relatively young age. I don’t know the cause of either death but according to the obituaries and memorial sites both seemed to do well in life after scn.

Someone must remember this course.

Dimwad

 

[Dulloldfart]

Someone must remember this course.

I remember it. It was in 1973, I think. Definitely early 70s and not late 70s.

My questions are: Does anyone remember the name of the course? Has anyone here taken that course? Does anyone know what the course consisted of?

I didn't take it. We sent a couple of peeps from AOSHUK, from memory fairly well-qualified veteran HCO-type staff, not newbies. I didn't hear anything about there being anything weird on the course. Maybe the name will come back to me as I write . . . There is a huge difference between coming back from doing tech training and coming back from doing admin training, or at least there was decades ago. Dunno what it is like now. The tech training was pretty much regular tech, what it says in the HCOBs etc, which is how tech was delivered anyway. The admin training was also on what it says in the OEC vols etc, but most orgs don't stick to policy too much. Maybe the staff want to — ESPECIALLY the ones who've just spend a godawful three years of their life away from their families enduring hell getting trained on this shit — but the demands of getting the stats up RIGHT THE FUCK NOW! from local seniors who are being pressured daily or hourly from their out-of-the-org seniors right up the line to the top, coupled with blatantly off-policy orders from the same people makes it impossible to put in anything long-term or not devoted to current production.

In other words, the bright and shiny recent admin graduate finds all his on-policy orders, proposals and suggestions undermined and cross-ordered, and he realises he just wasted three years being trained on stuff that will never see the light of day outside of his bookshelf. If he's even more unlucky, he will discover that the reason he got sent for training in the first place was not to make the org a better place by him putting in more policy, but to get the NOISE regarding sending someone off the plate of the org execs being threatened with dire consequences for not sending someone.

So ... name . . . Hubbard Ethics and Justice Specialist Course, HEJSC? That seems familiar.

Paul

 

[Auditor's Toad]

" So ... name . . . Hubbard Ethics and Justice Specialist Course, HEJSC? That seems familiar "

It seems very familiar.... pretty sure back in the dark ages I did that course. 'bout all I remember is O/W write ups on all 8 dynamics.

Back then I was drinking my KoolAid from the trough so all was ( at the time ) seeming to be wonderful.

I considered it a nice addition to being a " fully hatted EO "..... GAG !

Shortly after I did it, it was pulled and word was " it wasn't written by LRH ".

 

[Dimwad]

I remember it. It was in 1973, I think. Definitely early 70s and not late 70s.


I didn't take it. We sent a couple of peeps from AOSHUK, from memory fairly well-qualified veteran HCO-type staff, not newbies. I didn't hear anything about there being anything weird on the course. Maybe the name will come back to me as I write . . . There is a huge difference between coming back from doing tech training and coming back from doing admin training, or at least there was decades ago. Dunno what it is like now. The tech training was pretty much regular tech, what it says in the HCOBs etc, which is how tech was delivered anyway. The admin training was also on what it says in the OEC vols etc, but most orgs don't stick to policy too much. Maybe the staff want to — ESPECIALLY the ones who've just spend a godawful three years of their life away from their families enduring hell getting trained on this shit — but the demands of getting the stats up RIGHT THE FUCK NOW! from local seniors who are being pressured daily or hourly from their out-of-the-org seniors right up the line to the top, coupled with blatantly off-policy orders from the same people makes it impossible to put in anything long-term or not devoted to current production.

In other words, the bright and shiny recent admin graduate finds all his on-policy orders, proposals and suggestions undermined and cross-ordered, and he realises he just wasted three years being trained on stuff that will never see the light of day outside of his bookshelf. If he's even more unlucky, he will discover that the reason he got sent for training in the first place was not to make the org a better place by him putting in more policy, but to get the NOISE regarding sending someone off the plate of the org execs being threatened with dire consequences for not sending someone.

So ... name . . . Hubbard Ethics and Justice Specialist Course, HEJSC? That seems familiar.

Paul

Yes, it could have been '73-'74. And it could have been HEJSC. I remember it being touted as some kind of heavy duty deal and our two guys got fouled up with it. But come to think of it the FEBC and even the Qual Sec full hat at the time were considered 'confidential' and heavy duty but really no so and some people sent to Flag to train on these were fouled while doing those too.

Thanks,

Dimwad

 

[Dimwad]

" So ... name . . . Hubbard Ethics and Justice Specialist Course, HEJSC? That seems familiar "

It seems very familiar.... pretty sure back in the dark ages I did that course. 'bout all I remember is O/W write ups on all 8 dynamics.

Back then I was drinking my KoolAid from the trough so all was ( at the time ) seeming to be wonderful.

I considered it a nice addition to being a " fully hatted EO "..... GAG !

Shortly after I did it, it was pulled and word was " it wasn't written by LRH ".

Ah, that makes sense. I had the idea it was cancelled due to the materials on the course being to high gradient. In fact Capt. Bill told me that was the reason!

Thanks,
Dimwad

 

[Dulloldfart]

Ah, that makes sense. I had the idea it was cancelled due to the materials on the course being to high gradient. In fact Capt. Bill told me that was the reason!

Thanks,
Dimwad

I guess the real reason it was cancelled was because graduates created bad PR by trying to get in exact Hubbard references. One comes to mind, for instance, about the Ethics Officer doing his own investigations, even of local org execs. Imagine how well that would go over with an org exec committing financial irregularities etc. An org senior exec would prefer to stay out of the EO's purview, thank you very much, especially as the EO post is several levels down (i.e. ED → HES → HAS → Dir I&R → EO).

But that real reason could not be promoted broadly, so a scapegoat of some kind would be found.

Paul

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Paul, ah yes, if there was a sit there was a WHO that HAD to be found & named.

 

[ClearedSP]

I didn't get that course either, but remember of it...

At the time, as was pointed out, even the FEBC was confidential, as the Data Series was then still confidential. I suspect it was probably on the HEJSC too, but that might not have been all.

I've heard, entirely second hand, that the GO may have been involved in the early days of the course, back when unkind thoughts about MSH would get you declared, instead of getting declared for thinking kind thoughts about her, as later on. If the SO were busy exterminating everything MSH had ever touched, that might account for the course's disappearance.

And if any of those students listened to the crazy shit Ron used to say in confidential GO briefings, that might account for the weirded out graduates.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I didn't get that course either, but remember of it...

At the time, as was pointed out, even the FEBC was confidential, as the Data Series was then still confidential.

It was? I don't remember that. I remember the first DS Course being run at GOWW, and the course/drills were confidential. And the EstO tapes and FEBC tapes were confidential and had to be signed out from the LRH Comm, but I don't recall the Data Series issues being confidential at all.

Paul

 

[Gib]

In the mid to late 70’s there was some sort of confidential Flag Ethics & Justice Specialist course. The qualifications and vetting needed to get on the course were fairly stringent and I believe it was delivered to staff only. Rumors were the materials on the course were highly sensitive and restimulative. The course was cancelled after a short run and might have been a pilot course.

I was tech staff at a CL IV Org at the time. We sent 2 solid, on purpose and highly trusted staff members to Flag to get trained on this course. The first person blew the course and never returned to the org. The second person was routed off of the course and sent back to the org. The change in his personality after returning from flag compared to before he went was stark. The once extroverted and cheerful guy came home very quiet, nervous and broken. He hung on for a couple of months and then blew staff never to be heard of again.

Over the years I’ve heard similar accounts of people blowing during and after taking this course.

My questions are: Does anyone remember the name of the course? Has anyone here taken that course? Does anyone know what the course consisted of?

‘Just curious.

Dimwad

I post now nothing to do with your OP other than ethics, I think, and maybe similar only years later.

I was in the SO for one week, back in the 1990's. I completed the Welcome to the SO course, then started the next course, for which I can't remember the name but maybe Ethics or something or other. During my week there in the SO, I saw people running around in black jump suits with gold bands. I think I enquired into it and somebody told me something which I can't remember. But also coupled with the fact that I was now sleeping with a bunch of other people in one room in bunk beds. And thinking this is my future, the elite of the planet.

I was a cl 4 org member previously.

But, in the starting the next course after the "Welcome to the SO tapes", instead of going to lunch, why I decided I was out of there and went to the train station instead. I blew. And of course I was a bit caved in from blowing thinking I was an SP.

The whole week I was there in the SO, to tell you truth is a fog in my mind, like unreal.

And then to think I recovered myself a year later.
If only there was an internet back then.