Key to life books
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Hatshepsut
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This has come up before. I don't think they left the courseroom. Someone was checking for one they thought was out quite a while back. I don't remember who that was. Good luck.
Might ask Dulloldfart.
We had a good thread on LOC and KTL and there were some here on the board that posted. I'm not good with the search box and don't know the exact title.
Might ask Dulloldfart.
We had a good thread on LOC and KTL and there were some here on the board that posted. I'm not good with the search box and don't know the exact title.
JackStraw
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The question that pops into my mind (never a good place to go!
) is: why?
I was in Scn for 30-31 yrs, 1978-2009. When I was in I was fascinated with study "tech", such as it was. I, long before scn, was a fan of dictionaries and looking up definitions etc of words. When Ron wrote about "little" words he said the thing to use was either a BIG dictionary or a grammar book. Good advice, actually.
I did that. When KTL came out and I found out what was in it, nobody could give me a reason why I should do the course. I had already cleared the small words, I studied grammar on my own, I knew enough about my language (American English) that I could play with it, on purpose, just for fun. I was a word clearer in my first post on staff at a mission. Perfect for me! I loved it, but I can see no reason for Ronnie's 45 lb tomes of definitions. Get yourself a good, BIG dictionary and have fun!
<my 2 cents>
Jack
) is: why?I was in Scn for 30-31 yrs, 1978-2009. When I was in I was fascinated with study "tech", such as it was. I, long before scn, was a fan of dictionaries and looking up definitions etc of words. When Ron wrote about "little" words he said the thing to use was either a BIG dictionary or a grammar book. Good advice, actually.
I did that. When KTL came out and I found out what was in it, nobody could give me a reason why I should do the course. I had already cleared the small words, I studied grammar on my own, I knew enough about my language (American English) that I could play with it, on purpose, just for fun. I was a word clearer in my first post on staff at a mission. Perfect for me! I loved it, but I can see no reason for Ronnie's 45 lb tomes of definitions. Get yourself a good, BIG dictionary and have fun!
<my 2 cents>
Jack
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The question that pops into my mind (never a good place to go!
I was in Scn for 30-31 yrs, 1978-2009. When I was in I was fascinated with study "tech", such as it was. I, long before scn, was a fan of dictionaries and looking up definitions etc of words. When Ron wrote about "little" words he said the thing to use was either a BIG dictionary or a grammar book. Good advice, actually.
I did that. When KTL came out and I found out what was in it, nobody could give me a reason why I should do the course. I had already cleared the small words, I studied grammar on my own, I knew enough about my language (American English) that I could play with it, on purpose, just for fun. I was a word clearer in my first post on staff at a mission. Perfect for me! I loved it, but I can see no reason for Ronnie's 45 lb tomes of definitions. Get yourself a good, BIG dictionary and have fun!
<my 2 cents>
Jack
I second that view. Although, for many adults who are known to have problems with language a GOOD children's dictionary is also a useful tool to have on hand. But always look for one with etymologies included. Very useful clearing etymology.
Mark A. Baker
Gib
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The question that pops into my mind (never a good place to go!
I was in Scn for 30-31 yrs, 1978-2009. When I was in I was fascinated with study "tech", such as it was. I, long before scn, was a fan of dictionaries and looking up definitions etc of words. When Ron wrote about "little" words he said the thing to use was either a BIG dictionary or a grammar book. Good advice, actually.
I did that. When KTL came out and I found out what was in it, nobody could give me a reason why I should do the course. I had already cleared the small words, I studied grammar on my own, I knew enough about my language (American English) that I could play with it, on purpose, just for fun. I was a word clearer in my first post on staff at a mission. Perfect for me! I loved it, but I can see no reason for Ronnie's 45 lb tomes of definitions. Get yourself a good, BIG dictionary and have fun!
<my 2 cents>
Jack
So the eval "a world out of comm" is a wrong item and evaluation.
Goodbye
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KTL was never mandatory, at least way back when.
It was quite apparent it really benefited academy slowpokes though, easy to study as it had lots of pictures.
Nonetheless, I thought CTP was the highlight giving NED a run for money.
hatescn4ever
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To my knowledge, might be wrong, I think they use these books in the regular course rooms now. Can't be sure, but I think so. With the internet it seems like you should be able to get your hands on them pretty easy.
Dulloldfart
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The question that pops into my mind (never a good place to go!
I was in Scn for 30-31 yrs, 1978-2009. When I was in I was fascinated with study "tech", such as it was. I, long before scn, was a fan of dictionaries and looking up definitions etc of words. When Ron wrote about "little" words he said the thing to use was either a BIG dictionary or a grammar book. Good advice, actually.
I did that. When KTL came out and I found out what was in it, nobody could give me a reason why I should do the course. I had already cleared the small words, I studied grammar on my own, I knew enough about my language (American English) that I could play with it, on purpose, just for fun. I was a word clearer in my first post on staff at a mission. Perfect for me! I loved it, but I can see no reason for Ronnie's 45 lb tomes of definitions. Get yourself a good, BIG dictionary and have fun!
<my 2 cents>
Jack
That was my view before I had to do it (ITO when the non-pilot version first came out). It took about 18 months at 5 hours a day (and I M9 things extremely well), mainly because of getting twins through. But a funny thing happened: near the end of 6c (small common words) I suddenly realized that reading things was much easier than before, and things I didn't understand just leapt out of the page at me.
It is still like that. Those hundreds of hours clearing and re-clearing all those little words did have a profound effect on my ability to understand text, and I wasn't any slouch before.
Whether or not it was worth the effort is a tricky question. I'm not sure I would recommend others do the course, as I didn't see that everyone who had completed it instantly became whizzes at study.
Paul
JackStraw
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JackStraw
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True enough. Never mandatory. But to my way of thinking, never necessary!
"Academy slow-pokes" could have better been helped with big dictionaries/grammars rather than with a course whose books cost $1000 US and took, I've heard, upwards of a year or more to get through!
just sayin'
Jack
JackStraw
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Well, they did when I was last around - 2009-ish. The course and its books used to be very confidential. (I know a secret, and I'm not telling you!) But somewhere along the line somebody decided the books were OK for use in the course rooms. (But the CTP is still <super-sekret-shhhh...>
Jack
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JackStraw
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Thanks, Paul. I get that! I had a similar effect from clearing the little words with a Random House (unabridged) or American Heritage dictionary. There was a drill in the Pro Wordclearer's Course where you would read one of the scn axioms, then word-clear it, method 8 style, and read it again. OMG! That was an eye-opener! Things did, indeed, leap off the page! I saw concentric rings of meanings of all those words, just vibrating, throbbing on the page. Each word was bristling with information, meaning, possibilities. So cool.
The mission where I was sent three staff to participate in the pilot of the KTL. Two of 'em, meh! No great change, nothing special. But the third guy, Jack (actually his name is Wendell, but we all called him Jack) He came back different! And I say different in a profound, good, "this dude is smarter!" way. He was, apparently, a real product of that course. He turned from being just a regular bloke to someone who spoke a bit more slowly, but you could see, really quickly, that he was choosing his words so that he could tell you what he wanted to tell you, in words you could understand with great ease. He came back with hugely improved communication skills!
Thinking back to a previous post, he was the only positive example that I had that could have edged me towards doing that course. (There were too many for whom no such change happened that even Jack couldn't get to excited about dong KTL>)
(another) Jack
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cross posted to the stupid thread
Some really stupid things about Hubbard's 1970's "Monumental Breakthough" called "THE KEY TO LIFE".
1. The books to do the course were ridiculously large comic books then costing $1000.
2. The books were totally "confidential". No one knew why. No one asked why. You could be severely punished or lose your eternal freedom if you showed anyone the comic books. Years later they were no longer confidential. Nobody knows why that is either. No one is allowed to ask about that either.
3. Hubbard claimed that he had discovered (thru his scientific "evaluation technology" what was wrong with the entire world. He stated with emphatic triumph that: The World is Out of Communication! In typical hyperbolic Hubbardian hubris, he was not only the first in history to not only figure out what was wrong with "the planet" but he had additionally discovered how to cure it. The Key To LIfe Course that along with its requisite companion Life Orientation Course , was over ten thousand dollars.
4. This astonishing, world-changing "tech" was so powerful that everyone was required to do it immediately. To save the planet. Later it was so powerful that everyone forgot about it and Hubbard promised something even better.
5. As in all of the other absurd promises & guarantees by Hubbard, not the world is still exactly the same as it was before his "World Out Of Com" revelation. Except for one thing..............
6. Scientologists became more "Out of Com" with "The World" than ever before.
In fact Scientologists, with their cult-like obedience to the liar known as L. Ron Hubbard, disconnection policies and super-confidential comic books are just about the most "Out of Com" people that have ever walked in this "World".
Scientologists are so "Out of Com" that by recent Gallup surveys, Scientology itself is the most hated religion on the planet. If you asked a Scientologist why this is so, they would tell you that it is because the Wogs are "Out of Com", proving that Hubbard is right and the the Key To Life "tech" is needed more than ever! LOL
Nice job on saving the "World", Scientologists! Other planets are desperately hoping you will leave the Earth and come there to save them. Earth people can't wait for you to leave either.
cross posted to the stupid thread
Some really stupid things about Hubbard's 1970's "Monumental Breakthough" called "THE KEY TO LIFE".
1. The books to do the course were ridiculously large comic books then costing $1000.
2. The books were totally "confidential". No one knew why. No one asked why. You could be severely punished or lose your eternal freedom if you showed anyone the comic books. Years later they were no longer confidential. Nobody knows why that is either. No one is allowed to ask about that either.
3. Hubbard claimed that he had discovered (thru his scientific "evaluation technology" what was wrong with the entire world. He stated with emphatic triumph that: The World is Out of Communication! In typical hyperbolic Hubbardian hubris, he was not only the first in history to not only figure out what was wrong with "the planet" but he had additionally discovered how to cure it. The Key To LIfe Course that along with its requisite companion Life Orientation Course , was over ten thousand dollars.
4. This astonishing, world-changing "tech" was so powerful that everyone was required to do it immediately. To save the planet. Later it was so powerful that everyone forgot about it and Hubbard promised something even better.
5. As in all of the other absurd promises & guarantees by Hubbard, not the world is still exactly the same as it was before his "World Out Of Com" revelation. Except for one thing..............
6. Scientologists became more "Out of Com" with "The World" than ever before.
In fact Scientologists, with their cult-like obedience to the liar known as L. Ron Hubbard, disconnection policies and super-confidential comic books are just about the most "Out of Com" people that have ever walked in this "World".
Scientologists are so "Out of Com" that by recent Gallup surveys, Scientology itself is the most hated religion on the planet. If you asked a Scientologist why this is so, they would tell you that it is because the Wogs are "Out of Com", proving that Hubbard is right and the the Key To Life "tech" is needed more than ever! LOL
Nice job on saving the "World", Scientologists! Other planets are desperately hoping you will leave the Earth and come there to save them. Earth people can't wait for you to leave either.
Mark A. Baker
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Well, certainly that hubbard said it certainly doesn't mean it is true. On the other hand, considering the actual state of media (print & broadcast), the problems found in popular education, and the difficulty a high proportion of supposedly educated people have in understanding print materials, all of this suggests that there are real problems among the general public with effective communication.
And all of that is separate from the question of personal issues which can also interfere with individuals attempts to understand & communicate with others.
Mark A. Baker
petal
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Hello all:
So, from what I am getting is: people do the course but nobody takes their books home! After paying over $10,000 for the course and books, one cannot take the books home with you. The books one has paid for? For as I know one has to pay for there own materials.
Please can some one scan their 6c, put it in PDF format and free the world and me from ignorance.
love petal
So, from what I am getting is: people do the course but nobody takes their books home!
After paying over $10,000 for the course and books, one cannot take the books home with you. The books one has paid for? For as I know one has to pay for there own materials.Please can some one scan their 6c, put it in PDF format and free the world and me from ignorance.
love petal
petal
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I've not don't the KTL but Know the value of clearing words. I've had some "room brighting" experencies with an hour of clearing small common words.
I have taken a cursory glance in the 6c book as there was one in the course room.
I can see the advantages of having a picture illustrating the definition. As a picture is a subsitute for mass! And the pictures are real big!
Word clearing makes sense to me as a word can IMO have two effects: one. the word has charge on it, and can go back eons, and when it blows off its great. The eytmology probably helps here too as the language has changed with time.
Two. the word has a meaning or understanding and this is a increase in knowledge and understanding(ARC).
petal
I have taken a cursory glance in the 6c book as there was one in the course room.
I can see the advantages of having a picture illustrating the definition. As a picture is a subsitute for mass! And the pictures are real big!
Word clearing makes sense to me as a word can IMO have two effects: one. the word has charge on it, and can go back eons, and when it blows off its great. The eytmology probably helps here too as the language has changed with time.
Two. the word has a meaning or understanding and this is a increase in knowledge and understanding(ARC).
petal
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http://www.amazon.com/Small-Common-Words-Defined/dp/0884045625Cannot find it?
Amazon, ebay, google search.
petal