Comparing Hubbard to "Other" Great People

[Rene Descartes]

Johann Sebastian Bach gave us The Well Tempered Claviar
Hubbard gave us Space Jazz

Newton discovered, along with others, Calculus
Hubbard discovered that Calculus was a joke

Einstein gave us The Theory of Relativity and E = MC^2
Hubbard gave us The Equation of Potential Value and PV = ID^x

Darwin gave us On the Origin of Species
Hubbard gave us The History of Man

Walt Disney gave us family entertainment
Hubbard gave us disconnection

Madame Curry discovered Radioactivity
Hubbard discovered the Niacin Flush

Edward Anthony Jenner gave us the small pox vaccine
Hubbard gave us the Cal Mag formula

Abraham Lincoln gave us The Emancipation Proclamation
Hubbard gave us The Rehabilitation Project Force

Louis Leakey researched the development of early man
Hubbard researched Piltdown Man

Sir Richard Doll discovered the link between smoking and lung cancer
Hubbard discovered that smoking more prevents cancer

George Lucas gave us Darth Vadar and Luke Skywalker
Hubbard gave us Terl and Johnny Goodboy Tyler

Aristotle gave us Aristotlean Logic
Hubbard gave us the Data Series

Patten fired upon the Nazi’s in Europe
Hubbard fired upon Mexico in the Pacific

Archibald Cox applied American justice to Richard Nixon
Hubbard applied Scientology ethics to Paullette Cooper

George Orwell gave us 1984 as a fictional story
Hubbard gave us 1984 as a reality

Plato gave us The Republic
Hubbard gave us My Philosophy

Socrates drank Hemlock and kicked the bucket
Hubbard dropped his corporal hindrance and moved on to perform further research.

Moses gave us the 10 Commandments
Hubbard gave the 10 points of KSW

Galileo discovered moons of Juptier
Hubbard discovered doll people of Jupiter

Andrea Amati invented the violin
Hubbard invented music

Barry Manilow wrote I Write the Songs
Hubbard wrote Thanks for Listening

Newton discovered the Laws of Motion
Hubbard discovered that Consideration is senior to the Laws of Motion


Well that settles that. Hubbard does indeed belong up there with all the great people throughout history.

I rest my case.

Q.E.D.

If I missed anything please add to the thread.

Rd00

 

[Type4_PTS]

Gautama Siddhartha gave us Buddhism
Hubbard gave us Scientology

 

[Lermanet_com]

Victor Lustig sold the Eiffel Tower in Paris to iron scrap dealers for $100,000 TWICE in 1925 (1.2 million 2011 dollars) - The 1st buyer was too embarrassed to report the crime..so they did it again.

L Ron Hubbard sold us a bridge that did not even exist!




Hubbard's scam has gone on for 60 years...

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Johann Sebastian Bach gave us The Well Tempered Claviar
Hubbard gave us Space Jazz

Newton discovered, along with others, Calculus
Hubbard discovered that Calculus was a joke

Einstein gave us The Theory of Relativity and E = MC^2
Hubbard gave us The Equation of Potential Value and PV = ID^x

Darwin gave us On the Origin of Species
Hubbard gave us The History of Man

Walt Disney gave us family entertainment
Hubbard gave us disconnection

Madame Curry discovered Radioactivity
Hubbard discovered the Niacin Flush

Edward Anthony Jenner gave us the small pox vaccine
Hubbard gave us the Cal Mag formula

Abraham Lincoln gave us The Emancipation Proclamation
Hubbard gave us The Rehabilitation Project Force

Louis Leakey researched the development of early man
Hubbard researched Piltdown Man

Sir Richard Doll discovered the link between smoking and lung cancer
Hubbard discovered that smoking more prevents cancer

George Lucas gave us Darth Vadar and Luke Skywalker
Hubbard gave us Terl and Johnny Goodboy Tyler

Aristotle gave us Aristotlean Logic
Hubbard gave us the Data Series

Patten fired upon the Nazi’s in Europe
Hubbard fired upon Mexico in the Pacific

Archibald Cox applied American justice to Richard Nixon
Hubbard applied Scientology ethics to Paullette Cooper

George Orwell gave us 1984 as a fictional story
Hubbard gave us 1984 as a reality

Plato gave us The Republic
Hubbard gave us My Philosophy

Socrates drank Hemlock and kicked the bucket
Hubbard dropped his corporal hindrance and moved on to perform further research.

Moses gave us the 10 Commandments
Hubbard gave the 10 points of KSW

Galileo discovered moons of Juptier
Hubbard discovered doll people of Jupiter

Andrea Amati invented the violin
Hubbard invented music

Barry Manilow wrote I Write the Songs
Hubbard wrote Thanks for Listening

Newton discovered the Laws of Motion
Hubbard discovered that Consideration is senior to the Laws of Motion


Well that settles that. Hubbard does indeed belong up there with all the great people throughout history.

I rest my case.

Q.E.D.

If I missed anything please add to the thread.

Rd00

ABSOLUTLEY B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T, RD!!!

Re: Socrates/El Ron...

Socrates drank the Hemlock as opposed to fleeing and Life without Honor after refusing to not speak Truth regardless the consequences when on Trial before his fellow Citizens
El Ron took the Visteral whilst dying awash in Hisself's Sea of Lies while hiding after fleeing to avoid consequenes from his fellow Citizens seeking the Truth by Trial.

Face

 

[Don Crom 3rd mo can]

Abe Lincoln freed the slaves.
LCon made new ones.

C-Ya DC

 

[Type4_PTS]

Victor Lustig sold the Eiffel Tower in Paris to iron scrap dealers for $100,000 TWICE in 1925 (1.2 million 2011 dollars) - The 1st buyer was too embarrassed to report the crime..so they did it again.

And many who got conned by Hubbard are also too embarrassed to talk about it...

So his "church" continues to it again as well.

 

[Veda]

Johann Sebastian Bach gave us The Well Tempered Claviar
Hubbard gave us Space Jazz

Newton discovered, along with others, Calculus
Hubbard discovered that Calculus was a joke

Einstein gave us The Theory of Relativity and E = MC^2
Hubbard gave us The Equation of Potential Value and PV = ID^x

Darwin gave us On the Origin of Species
Hubbard gave us The History of Man

Walt Disney gave us family entertainment
Hubbard gave us disconnection

Madame Curry discovered Radioactivity
Hubbard discovered the Niacin Flush

Edward Anthony Jenner gave us the small pox vaccine
Hubbard gave us the Cal Mag formula

Abraham Lincoln gave us The Emancipation Proclamation
Hubbard gave us The Rehabilitation Project Force

Louis Leakey researched the development of early man
Hubbard researched Piltdown Man

Sir Richard Doll discovered the link between smoking and lung cancer
Hubbard discovered that smoking more prevents cancer

George Lucas gave us Darth Vadar and Luke Skywalker
Hubbard gave us Terl and Johnny Goodboy Tyler

Aristotle gave us Aristotlean Logic
Hubbard gave us the Data Series

Patten fired upon the Nazi’s in Europe
Hubbard fired upon Mexico in the Pacific

Archibald Cox applied American justice to Richard Nixon
Hubbard applied Scientology ethics to Paullette Cooper

George Orwell gave us 1984 as a fictional story
Hubbard gave us 1984 as a reality

Plato gave us The Republic
Hubbard gave us My Philosophy

Socrates drank Hemlock and kicked the bucket
Hubbard dropped his corporal hindrance and moved on to perform further research.

Moses gave us the 10 Commandments
Hubbard gave the 10 points of KSW

Galileo discovered moons of Juptier
Hubbard discovered doll people of Jupiter

Andrea Amati invented the violin
Hubbard invented music

Barry Manilow wrote I Write the Songs
Hubbard wrote Thanks for Listening

Newton discovered the Laws of Motion
Hubbard discovered that Consideration is senior to the Laws of Motion


Well that settles that. Hubbard does indeed belong up there with all the great people throughout history.

I rest my case.

Q.E.D.

If I missed anything please add to the thread.

Rd00

Good post. Funny.


Below is a modified version of the (Apple Computer commercial) 'Here's to the crazy ones' video, using only the voice over by Richard Dreyfuss. An early Apple version featured people such as Einstein, etc. This Independent Scientology version, made about a year ago, produced "VGIs" amongst Independent Scientologists. At the time, certain journalists were being courted by Independent Scientology. These journalists have not responded as favorably as expected and, these days, might not be likely to be appearing in an up-to-date version.

[video=youtube;5E7VZgyzcQA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E7VZgyzcQA&feature=related[/video]

Somewhere, there's a painting of Hubbard featured with the great thinkers and freedom fighters of history. Couldn't find it anywhere, so this will have to do...

 

[John P.]

Aristotle gave us Aristotlean Logic
Hubbard gave us the Data Series

More pathetically, Hubbard replaced Aristotelean logic with "infinity valued logic." Aristotle (and later, Boole) had two-valued (true/false) propositions, and a mathematics for manipulating them. In the 1950s, probably when Hubbard came up with this particular piece of nonsense, logicians started to look at "modal" logic, extending Boolean logic with operators like "possibility," "necessity" and "impossibility." You could (inaccurately but simplistically) call this "three valued logic."

So Hubbard, being the clever little megalomanic that he was, read some Reader's Digest article about modal logic, and decided to "improve" on their work, by making something up and then calling his drivel "infinity valued logic," which, to a logician (I know a couple people with Ph.D.'s in logic and asked one of them about this) means "absolutely no formalized system of logic at all." In other words, "infinity valued logic" is a complete and utter oxymoron. But to those who can grasp the essential idea of two-valued and three-valued logic (but who don't know anything about the meta-logic behind the importance of formalization), it sure makes Hubbard sound smart, that he's found the perfect way to turn ordinary morons into super-intellectuals with super thinking powers.

As I recall, Marty Rathbun's blog contains some interesting comments about how freakin' brilliant "infinity valued logic" is as a way of thinking about reality, when it is in fact no system at all.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

More pathetically, Hubbard replaced Aristotelean logic with "infinity valued logic." Aristotle (and later, Boole) had two-valued (true/false) propositions, and a mathematics for manipulating them. In the 1950s, probably when Hubbard came up with this particular piece of nonsense, logicians started to look at "modal" logic, extending Boolean logic with operators like "possibility," "necessity" and "impossibility." You could (inaccurately but simplistically) call this "three valued logic."

So Hubbard, being the clever little megalomanic that he was, read some Reader's Digest article about modal logic, and decided to "improve" on their work, by making something up and then calling his drivel "infinity valued logic," which, to a logician (I know a couple people with Ph.D.'s in logic and asked one of them about this) means "absolutely no formalized system of logic at all." In other words, "infinity valued logic" is a complete and utter oxymoron. But to those who can grasp the essential idea of two-valued and three-valued logic (but who don't know anything about the meta-logic behind the importance of formalization), it sure makes Hubbard sound smart, that he's found the perfect way to turn ordinary morons into super-intellectuals with super thinking powers.

As I recall, Marty Rathbun's blog contains some interesting comments about how freakin' brilliant "infinity valued logic" is as a way of thinking about reality, when it is in fact no system at all.

I think you got it all wrong. Hubbard may have called his "infinite value logic" which may be silly and misleading, but the basic idea goes back a long way.

For earlier times this was addressd see Aristotle's discussion on future contingency

Also look at many-valued logic (I'm not sure of the title of his publications) by Jan Lukasiewicz (who gave it that name)from 1911 to 1918.

Many valued logic has been taught in some symbolic logic classes since then.

Also look up Polish Logic (there is a joke there). This predated World War II

Also many value logic by Post (I can't think of his first name) around 1930.

Many valued logic also found its way into discussion of language in the school of Logical Posivitism, which covers a lot of philosophers from Russell to Wittgenstein.

They were not concerned with it particularly, and didn't go into it in detailed, because they were only concern about how it relates to logic in language.

And all that was before Hubbard mentioned it.

What people think Hubbard came up with has been openly discussed specifically by name for over 100 years.

There are several Scientologists who have tried to convince me that Hubbard discovered the Fibonacci sequence.

I tell them it is called the Fibonacci sequence because Fibonacci discovered it in 1202.

All told me that as far as they were concerned, Hubbard came up with it because not they or anyone else ever heard of it before.

Some people (okay, Scientologists) often make the mistake of thinking because they first heard it from Hubbard, that this means he came up with it.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I think you got it all wrong. Hubbard may have called his "infinite value logic" which may be silly and misleading, but the basic idea goes back a long way.

For earlier times this was addressd see Aristotle's discussion on future contingency

Also look at many-valued logic (I'm not sure of the title of his publications) by Jan Lukasiewicz (who gave it that name)from 1911 to 1918.

Many valued logic has been taught in some symbolic logic classes since then.

Also look up Polish Logic (there is a joke there). This predated World War II

Also many value logic by Post (I can't think of his first name) around 1930.

Many valued logic also found its way into discussion of language in the school of Logical Posivitism, which covers a lot of philosophers from Russell to Wittgenstein.

They were not concerned with it particularly, and didn't go into it in detailed, because they were only concern about how it relates to logic in language.

And all that was before Hubbard mentioned it.

What people think Hubbard came up with has been openly discussed specifically by name for over 100 years.

There are several Scientologists who have tried to convince me that Hubbard discovered the Fibonacci sequence.

I tell them it is called the Fibonacci sequence because Fibonacci discovered it in 1202.

All told me that as far as they were concerned, Hubbard came up with it because not they or anyone else ever heard of it before.

Some people (okay, Scientologists) often make the mistake of thinking because they first heard it from Hubbard, that this means he came up with it.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Except for some niggling details (e.g. Lukasiewicz was the original Pole in Polish Logic, etc.) this was an excellent post. Hubbard did much which was false, misleading, and intentionally deceitful. However, many of the actual problems created as a result of the misconceptions spread in scientology have been as a result of excessively credulous individuals who were themselves uninterested in any learning apart from that represented by the word of ron.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Veda]

-snip-

many of the actual problems created as a result of the misconceptions spread in scientology have been as a result of excessively credulous individuals who were themselves uninterested in any learning apart from that represented by the word of ron.

-snip-

Does that apply to the children that Hubbard used as his slaves? I hope you're not saying that they deserved what happened to them because they weren't "bright" enough.

World's Smartest Scientolologist​

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Johann Sebastian Bach gave us The Well Tempered Claviar
Hubbard gave us Space Jazz

Newton discovered, along with others, Calculus
Hubbard discovered that Calculus was a joke

Einstein gave us The Theory of Relativity and E = MC^2
Hubbard gave us The Equation of Potential Value and PV = ID^x

Darwin gave us On the Origin of Species
Hubbard gave us The History of Man

Walt Disney gave us family entertainment
Hubbard gave us disconnection

Madame Curry discovered Radioactivity
Hubbard discovered the Niacin Flush

Edward Anthony Jenner gave us the small pox vaccine
Hubbard gave us the Cal Mag formula

Abraham Lincoln gave us The Emancipation Proclamation
Hubbard gave us The Rehabilitation Project Force

Louis Leakey researched the development of early man
Hubbard researched Piltdown Man

Sir Richard Doll discovered the link between smoking and lung cancer
Hubbard discovered that smoking more prevents cancer

George Lucas gave us Darth Vadar and Luke Skywalker
Hubbard gave us Terl and Johnny Goodboy Tyler

Aristotle gave us Aristotlean Logic
Hubbard gave us the Data Series

Patten fired upon the Nazi’s in Europe
Hubbard fired upon Mexico in the Pacific

Archibald Cox applied American justice to Richard Nixon
Hubbard applied Scientology ethics to Paullette Cooper

George Orwell gave us 1984 as a fictional story
Hubbard gave us 1984 as a reality

Plato gave us The Republic
Hubbard gave us My Philosophy

Socrates drank Hemlock and kicked the bucket
Hubbard dropped his corporal hindrance and moved on to perform further research.

Moses gave us the 10 Commandments
Hubbard gave the 10 points of KSW

Galileo discovered moons of Juptier
Hubbard discovered doll people of Jupiter

Andrea Amati invented the violin
Hubbard invented music

Barry Manilow wrote I Write the Songs
Hubbard wrote Thanks for Listening

Newton discovered the Laws of Motion
Hubbard discovered that Consideration is senior to the Laws of Motion


Well that settles that. Hubbard does indeed belong up there with all the great people throughout history.

I rest my case.

Q.E.D.

If I missed anything please add to the thread.

Rd00

nice work, very well done

but i must say although the film version was a BOMB, in the book terl and johnny don't match up too poorly against darth and luke. and i haven't studied the data series but the little i know of it i think hubbard scored some points with it

 

[Idle Morgue]

Hitler
Osama Bin Laden
Stalin
Hussein
etc..
Plus any crazy cult leader that burdened this planet with their crimes against humanity.

 

[Infinite]

..

John Bartram's work led to the epithet "father of American Botany"

L Ron Hubbard's work led to . . .

 

[Idle Morgue]

Victor Lustig sold the Eiffel Tower in Paris to iron scrap dealers for $100,000 TWICE in 1925 (1.2 million 2011 dollars) - The 1st buyer was too embarrassed to report the crime..so they did it again.

L Ron Hubbard sold us a bridge that did not even exist!




Hubbard's scam has gone on for 60 years...

L Ron Hubbard sold us a bridge that did not even exist!


This is hysterical! I am glad I can laugh about it now! $$$,$$$ - wasted so much money and time! But now I have total certainty that L Con Hubbard's Bridge to Total NOWHERE goes to nowhere!!

 

[Type4_PTS]

L Ron Hubbard sold us a bridge that did not even exist!

It exists, is just isn't complete yet.

 

[Jump]

'There's a sucker born every minute.' - P.T. Barnum

Enforced abortions in Sea Org - L. R. Hubbard

 

[Anonycat]

It exists, is just isn't complete yet.

 

[tetloj]

Mother Teresa worked with lepers
Hubbard created social lepers

 

[guanoloco]

Johann Sebastian Bach gave us The Well Tempered Claviar
Hubbard gave us Space Jazz

Newton discovered, along with others, Calculus
Hubbard discovered that Calculus was a joke

Einstein gave us The Theory of Relativity and E = MC^2
Hubbard gave us The Equation of Potential Value and PV = ID^x

Darwin gave us On the Origin of Species
Hubbard gave us The History of Man

Walt Disney gave us family entertainment
Hubbard gave us disconnection

Madame Curry discovered Radioactivity
Hubbard discovered the Niacin Flush

Edward Anthony Jenner gave us the small pox vaccine
Hubbard gave us the Cal Mag formula

Abraham Lincoln gave us The Emancipation Proclamation
Hubbard gave us The Rehabilitation Project Force

Louis Leakey researched the development of early man
Hubbard researched Piltdown Man

Sir Richard Doll discovered the link between smoking and lung cancer
Hubbard discovered that smoking more prevents cancer

George Lucas gave us Darth Vadar and Luke Skywalker
Hubbard gave us Terl and Johnny Goodboy Tyler

Aristotle gave us Aristotlean Logic
Hubbard gave us the Data Series

Patten fired upon the Nazi’s in Europe
Hubbard fired upon Mexico in the Pacific

Archibald Cox applied American justice to Richard Nixon
Hubbard applied Scientology ethics to Paullette Cooper

George Orwell gave us 1984 as a fictional story
Hubbard gave us 1984 as a reality

Plato gave us The Republic
Hubbard gave us My Philosophy

Socrates drank Hemlock and kicked the bucket
Hubbard dropped his corporal hindrance and moved on to perform further research.

Moses gave us the 10 Commandments
Hubbard gave the 10 points of KSW

Galileo discovered moons of Juptier
Hubbard discovered doll people of Jupiter

Andrea Amati invented the violin
Hubbard invented music

Barry Manilow wrote I Write the Songs
Hubbard wrote Thanks for Listening

Newton discovered the Laws of Motion
Hubbard discovered that Consideration is senior to the Laws of Motion


Well that settles that. Hubbard does indeed belong up there with all the great people throughout history.

I rest my case.

Q.E.D.

If I missed anything please add to the thread.

Rd00

What a bunch of Ronsense.