Independent Scientologists at War?

[In present time]

I had to clarify it because I gave up on anyone asking me an honest question. Good grief. Looks like they have a leak to their top secret group though. We are going to save the planet on a need to know basis. As a separate issue, I hope someone warns Theo about his potential problem. He's a good guy I think. And it is a crying shame that he is caught up in all of this. As if there isn't enough going on right there in Greece to keep him busy for a good long time.

 

[In present time]

https://whyweprotest.net/community/...entologists-at-war.111830/page-2#post-2325375

IMMA GONNA CLEAR YER PLANETS

 

[TG1]

In Present Time, I congratulate you on regarding the Sneakster / Karry silliness as the thigh-slapping hilarity that it is.

But why can't poor old Sneakster just say he made a mistake? That his investigation skilz and his security authoritah are for shit?

Instead, he says:

"There is an error on my part .... The contents of the FB thread in the last link were posted here on WWP and by somebody using an Anonymous Guest sockpuppet who cannot fairly be said to have been 'In Present Time' with any certainty."​

Well, of course there was an error on your part, you idjit! You had already kicked her out of the group before the most recent leak and copypasta appeared at WWP.

Sneakster, you shot the wrong person, and you aren't even able to say it in plain English! Much less apologize for doing it.

TG1

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

In Present Time, I congratulate you on regarding the Sneakster / Karry silliness as the thigh-slapping hilarity that it is.

But why can't poor old Sneakster just say he made a mistake? That his investigation skilz are his security authoritah are for shit?

Instead, he says:

"There is an error on my part .... The contents of the FB thread in the last link were posted here on WWP and by somebody using an Anonymous Guest sockpuppet who cannot fairly be said to have been 'In Present Time' with any certainty."​

Well, of course there was an error on your part, you idjit! You had already kicked her out of the group before the most recent leak and copypasta appeared at WWP.

Sneakster, you shot the wrong person, and you aren't even able to say it in plain English! Much less apologize for doing it.

TG1

You apparently have forgotten the Sneaks is a Practicing, On Source Scn and applying the "Tech" 100% Standardly.

Face

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Marty: Why Bother?

Not that Marty is a Scientologist or an Independent Scientologist anymore, but he does write about the spiritual technology of L. Ron Hubbard, so....

Marty: Why Bother?
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/why-bother/

Excerpts:

Some hard-core ‘independent’ Scientologists have ruminated among themselves lately the idea that I am somehow trying to bring down L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. Otherwise, they reason, ‘why wouldn’t he just move on and let it be?’ I am going to try to address this concern as directly and succinctly as I can.

This trap is particularly acute in Scientology, because along with the peak and plateau experiences it delivers, its scripture is saturated with reinforcement of this sense of only-one way and superiority to mere mortals. As intensively and effectively as Scientology can focus an individual’s attention and concentration, it just as intensively and effectively conditions those new found abilities onto worshipping and defending to the death the construct that made them possible.

In an ironic way, the zealous, judgmental, super egoic, ‘I will save you if I have to kill you’ mentality of the advanced Scientologist serves as testament to the effectiveness of that which they are hell-bent on defending and promoting.

 

[In present time]

In Present Time, I congratulate you on regarding the Sneakster / Karry silliness as the thigh-slapping hilarity that it is.

But why can't poor old Sneakster just say he made a mistake? That his investigation skilz and his security authoritah are for shit?

Instead, he says:

"There is an error on my part .... The contents of the FB thread in the last link were posted here on WWP and by somebody using an Anonymous Guest sockpuppet who cannot fairly be said to have been 'In Present Time' with any certainty."​

Well, of course there was an error on your part, you idjit! You had already kicked her out of the group before the most recent leak and copypasta appeared at WWP.

Sneakster, you shot the wrong person, and you aren't even able to say it in plain English! Much less apologize for doing it.

TG1

Oh, I don't know. It seems when they aren't actively placed in a hole, they dig their own and crawl in. Ask BR, he needs to send a picture of a finger in front of his face just to be part of a group. See, it started out as "feel my finger" and ended up as "pull my finger."

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Re: Marty: Why Bother?

Not that Marty is a Scientologist or an Independent Scientologist anymore, but he does write about the spiritual technology of L. Ron Hubbard, so....

Marty: Why Bother?
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/why-bother/

Excerpts:

Fascinating.

After all the years of strong arming, brutalizing, enforcing, showboating, grandstanding, lying, sneaking, conniving, conspiring, obfuscating, pandering, withholding, snarky character assassinating, altering history, slandering, etc, etc Marty, The Pure One has attained the State of "Above It All".

Face

 

[ILove2Lurk]

I don't do FB, otherwise I'd be glad to go over to his place, if invited and approved of course.

Face

Sorry Face, he'd spot you right away as the "disgruntled apostate" that you are.

Hmmm? I wonder.
Any connection here?

​

 

[Terril park]

Re: Marty: Why Bother?

Fascinating.

After all the years of strong arming, brutalizing, enforcing, showboating, grandstanding, lying, sneaking, conniving, conspiring, obfuscating, pandering, withholding, snarky character assassinating, altering history, slandering, etc, etc Marty, The Pure One has attained the State of "Above It All".

Face

Hey Face,
Maybe you did less damage. I don't know. He is trying to rectify any damage
etc.

There is such a thing as redemption. If not you are equally guilty.

Some people deserve a break. Even if not they still deserve it.

Or are you determined to assign anyone to a pit in hell?

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Source: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...entologists-at-war.111830/page-2#post-2325471

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Re: Marty: Why Bother?

Hey Face,
Maybe you did less damage. I don't know. He is trying to rectify any damage
etc.

There is such a thing as redemption. If not you are equally guilty.

Some people deserve a break. Even if not they still deserve it.

Or are you determined to assign anyone to a pit in hell?

Oh my goodness, Terril!

"Maybe you did less damage." Honestly Terril, there are very few people in the history of Scn IMO that did more damage than Marty. As far as the damage I did, the worst and most severe of it is disclosed here on ESMB.

"He is trying to rectify any damage etc." I think that is true...as long as it serves his own self interests and can be spun in a way that makes him look a hero.

"There is such a thing as redemption. If not you are equally guilty. " WTF does this mean?

"Some people deserve a break. Even if not they still deserve it." If you read my earliest posts re: Marty you'll see that I was more than willing to give him a break. That all changed when the Marty that I had interacted with when I was in the SO proved to be the same Ole Marty now and trashed David Mayo, others that I knew and ESMB with lies and posted false stories on his Blog, and invented and created a false image of El Ron and the history of the "Old Days", the SO and Apollo under Hisself's command.

"Or are you determined to assign anyone to a pit in hell?" I'm not determined to assign anyone anything. If somone winds up in a pit in hell they dug their way there themselves.

I think you've read some of my more than 100,000 word chronicle on ESMB--the "Shooting Stars" Thread--of my life and times in personal service to El Ron on the Apollo and afterwards. Let me remind you that in there I state that one of the primary reasons I walked away from the SO (before El Ron's death) and eventually Scn was that I saw the CMO, DM, Marty and their ilk for what they proved to be, knew by then El Ron was not what Hisself claimed to be and got the Hell out of Dodge. Marty proudly and aggressively became one of the dementia addled El Ron's attack dogs and DM's henchman. I don't trust him...period...and I've seen nothing these past few years to make me think he has changed in essence from how he has always been and is now some benign "seeker of spiritual truth".

I'm sorry if this all upsets you...that's how I see it. I was there Terril...I was there where even Marty and DM never were. Perhaps I'm too scarred, damaged or F'd up to see the "Big Picture" you see. On the other hand, you never saw what I saw, either.

Peace.

Face

 

[120 Degrees]

IMMA GONNA CLEAR YER PLANETS

All your planets are belong to US!

 

[Vittorio]

Hey Face,
Maybe you did less damage. I don't know. He is trying to rectify any damage
etc.

There is such a thing as redemption. If not you are equally guilty.

Some people deserve a break. Even if not they still deserve it.

Or are you determined to assign anyone to a pit in hell?

To anyone reading this; Marty seems to NEVER change. The only thing he changes is the vehicle in which he promotes himself. If the current colour of the "vehicle" does not look good, he'll spray paint. He fishes for public opinion and then works from there. He's gone from being a brutal enforcer in the Church to an Independent (the first real indie apparently (thus dismissing all those that he attacked for doing the same think over the previous two decades))..... to some kind of free thinker who still has the final say on what is and isn't and what does and doesn't work. The only change is the mask. With age he might mellow somewhat.

He does not want people knowing the truth. He did not link up his radio interview in Denver to his blog. The guy clearly has a deep seated mental disorder which is going untreated and he is not taking responsibility. He talks about the horrible things he did in Scientology as if they were justified and the quip from his latest book about fighting drug dealers sounds like some cowboy story written by an underdeveloped child.

Source: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...entologists-at-war.111830/page-2#post-2325471

If the FZ cut away the Oracle, the Ethiers, Marty and Terril, they'd all be in a much healthier place.

If they cut away absolute devotion to LRH they would be in a place that they might be frightened of being in....

 

[TG1]

Interesting post, Vittorio.

It's nice you're so concerned about the purity of the FZ.

TG1

 

[Vittorio]

Interesting post, Vittorio.

It's nice you're so concerned about the purity of the FZ.

TG1

Not the purity of the FZ I'm concerned with but the purity of the tech. The world is F'D without it.

On a lighter note, there's a certain entertainment value to this "war"....

 

[Emma]

Source: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...entologists-at-war.111830/page-2#post-2325471

That pretty face (above) is Catherine Ethier (with a fake avatar).

It seems that overnight she has become Jim Logan's best buddy. Word on the street is that the Ethiers have teamed up with Logan and Catherine is the spokeshole.

Fuckin match made in heaven!!!

What's better than team of two bugfuck crazy Indies? A team of THREE bugfuck crazy Indies!!

 

[TG1]

Are you serious, Emma?

TG1

 

[Terril park]

Re: Marty: Why Bother?

Oh my goodness, Terril!

"Maybe you did less damage." Honestly Terril, there are very few people in the history of Scn IMO that did more damage than Marty. As far as the damage I did, the worst and most severe of it is disclosed here on ESMB.

"He is trying to rectify any damage etc." I think that is true...as long as it serves his own self interests and can be spun in a way that makes him look a hero.

"There is such a thing as redemption. If not you are equally guilty. " WTF does this mean?

"Some people deserve a break. Even if not they still deserve it." If you read my earliest posts re: Marty you'll see that I was more than willing to give him a break. That all changed when the Marty that I had interacted with when I was in the SO proved to be the same Ole Marty now and trashed David Mayo, others that I knew and ESMB with lies and posted false stories on his Blog, and invented and created a false image of El Ron and the history of the "Old Days", the SO and Apollo under Hisself's command.

"Or are you determined to assign anyone to a pit in hell?" I'm not determined to assign anyone anything. If somone winds up in a pit in hell they dug their way there themselves.

I think you've read some of my more than 100,000 word chronicle on ESMB--the "Shooting Stars" Thread--of my life and times in personal service to El Ron on the Apollo and afterwards. Let me remind you that in there I state that one of the primary reasons I walked away from the SO (before El Ron's death) and eventually Scn was that I saw the CMO, DM, Marty and there ilk for what they proved to be, knew by then El Ron was not what Hisself claimed to be and got the Hell out of Dodge. Marty proudly and aggressively became one of the dementia addled El Ron's attack dogs and DM's henchman. I don't trust him...period...and I've seen nothing these past few years to make me think he has changed in essence from how he has always been and is now some benign "seeker of spiritual truth".

I'm sorry if this all upsets you...that's how I see it. I was there Terril...I was there where even Marty and DM never were. Perhaps I'm too scarred, damaged or F'd up to see the "Big Picture" you see. On the other hand, you never saw what I saw, either.

Peace.

Face

I believe redemption is possible for anyone.

Peace

 

[uncover]

Re: Marty: Why Bother?

I believe redemption is possible for anyone.

Peace

That would include you too. So let´s start with YOU :

"TP, in this lifetime on tegeeack, what crimes have you committed ?" "Spill it, TP...." "This..." "... yes, exactly this...." "...spill it, give it to me..."

 

[BunnySkull]

That pretty face (above) is Catherine Ethier (with a fake avatar).

It seems that overnight she has become Jim Logan's best buddy. Word on the street is that the Ethiers have teamed up with Logan and Catherine is the spokeshole.

Fuckin match made in heaven!!!

What's better than team of two bugfuck crazy Indies? A team of THREE bugfuck crazy Indies!!

Nofuckingway. Isn't this a sign of the apocalypse? Christ if true the drama is just getting started. Buckle your safety belts, we are in for a bumpy ride!!!