can illogical behavior prove the validity of past lives?

[programmer_guy]

I see those a lot from cars tail lights, in the evening, if I am sitting at a stop light staring ahead as cars pass by. I also can see the different frames on action scenes in movies instead of continuous motion - it is annoying because on really active shots I have a hard time following the motion.
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No, LSD "trails" are MUCH more pronounced and distinct than what you seem to be talking about.

 

[Dulloldfart]

As I've occasionally mentioned, I'm a simple guy and I like my life simple as well. Past lives, future lives, lives-between-life-lives, afterlife, etherial life, spirit life, life in other dimensions, and so on, has nothing to do with my life in the here and now, and I refuse to stare at carrots which I cannot even see, let alone reach.

I live my life here, in this world, right now and I try to make it a good life. <snip>

I think what you described is the way it *should* be. Otherwise it's pretty much a waste of one's life to spend it trying to figure out what came before or will come after when one will inevitably go back to it after one's next death.

Paul

 

[TG1]

I think that a lot of things can get you (and others) hurt or dead in public spaces on Planet Earth, including: magical thinking, hallucinatory drugs, alcohol, untreated mental illness, and a very deep commitment to being different from everybody else.

Not saying it's right. Saying it's dangerous. So don't be shocked if hurt or dead happens to you.

EDIT: When people cannot predict how you will behave and when you behave waaaay outside the predicted norms, many will interpret your behavior as dangerous. That's unfortunately the risk that iconoclasts, performance artists, activists and even the young (who are seeking new realities that work better for them) always run with unpredictable behavior.

Again, not saying it's right. Just that it can be dangerous.

TG1

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

No, LSD "trails" are MUCH more pronounced and distinct than what you seem to be talking about.

I don't doubt that they are. What I see with the car lights looks like the mouse trail on a computer screen - it's not a continuous line, but a series of red dashes. My assumption is that the spirit ( thetan ) sees continuously but the eye is much like a film camera rapidly sending individual frames which the brain which converts into the appearance of continuous motion.

Mimsey

 

[Dulloldfart]

. . . but the eye is much like a film camera rapidly sending individual frames which the brain which converts into the appearance of continuous motion.

Mimsey

Sounds just like Hubbard's pronouncement in the 1963 Time Track HCOB(s) of the "25 frames a second" thing.

I have never looked, but is there any scientific documentation on this subject?

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And LSD trails? Yes, amazing things. Especially when the trailing persists for a very long time (years for me) afterwards.

Paul

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Frame rate (also known as frame frequency) is the frequency (rate) at which an imaging device produces unique consecutive images called frames. The term applies equally well to film and video cameras, computer graphics, and motion capture systems. Frame rate is most often expressed in frames per second (FPS) and is also expressed in progressive scan monitors as hertz (Hz).

The human eye and its brain interface, the human visual system, can process 10 to 12 separate images per second, perceiving them individually.[1] The threshold of human visual perception varies depending on what is being measured. When looking at a lighted display, people begin to notice a brief interruption of darkness if it is about 16 milliseconds or longer.[2] When given very short single-millisecond visual stimulus people report a duration of between 100 ms and 400 ms due to persistence of vision in the visual cortex. This may cause images perceived in this duration to appear as one stimulus, such as a 10 ms green flash of light immediately followed by a 10 ms red flash of light perceived as a single yellow flash of light.[3] Persistence of vision may also create an illusion of continuity, allowing a sequence of still images to give the impression of motion. Early silent films had a frame rate from 14 to 24 FPS which was enough for the sense of motion, but it was perceived as jerky motion. By using projectors with dual- and triple-blade shutters, the rate was multiplied two or three times as seen by the audience. Thomas Edison said that 46 frames per second was the minimum: "anything less will strain the eye."[4][5] In the mid- to late 1920s, the frame rate for silent films increased to between 20 and 26 FPS.[4]

Here you go Paul - thanks to wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate

48p is a progressive format and is currently being trialed in the film industry. At twice the traditional rate of 24p, this frame rate attempts to reduce motion blur and flicker found in films. Director James Cameron stated his intention to film the two sequels to his film Avatar at a higher frame rate than 24 frames per second, in order to add a heightened sense of reality.[8] The first film to be filmed at 48 FPS was The Hobbit, a decision made by its director Peter Jackson.[9] At a preview screening at CinemaCon, the audience's reaction was mixed after being shown some of the film's footage at 48p, with some arguing that the feel of the footage was too lifelike (thus breaking the suspension of disbelief).[10]

Without realistic motion blurring, video games and computer animations do not look as fluid as film, even with a higher frame rate. When a fast moving object is present on two consecutive frames, a gap between the images on the two frames contributes to a noticeable separation of the object and its afterimage in the eye. Motion blurring mitigates this effect, since it tends to reduce the image gap when the two frames are strung together. The effect of motion blurring is essentially superimposing multiple images of the fast-moving object on a single frame. Motion blurring makes the motion more fluid for some people, even as the image of the object becomes blurry on each individual frame. Motion blur can also induce headaches when people play a game that requires concentration.[16]

 

[Dulloldfart]

Here you go Paul - thanks to wiki

Thanks, but that is different to my question. I am familiar with the mental interpretation of individual frames into continuous motion. In reality, it can go further than that: witness those two or three frame gifs that can (not always) seem to provide a continuous motion with a simple subject like raising an arm.

My question is about the capturing of reality (and putting it into memory) by an individual, not the stitching together into apparent continuity of what starts out as individual frames.

Paul

 

[Terril park]

^ Awesome thought on the holographic vibration pattern. I love it.

Nobody knows HOW the genetic learning works and yes, the whole idea of it changes how we have previously defined instincts. We say DNA, because unravelling the DNA is one of the greatest of the biological mysteries. But who is to say there isn't more to DNA, another substance, a holograph of sorts?

Can you believe that I read those studies over 14 years ago ... how much further have we come to understand genetics since then?

I've seen the same sort of thing with the wild parrots here. The released ones that were the progeny of pets don't always know things they can eat in the wild, but the wild babies often just KNOW. Some species are just a heckuva lot better at adjusting to different environments and thriving in them, so perhaps whatever it is that provides genetic learning, they have more of it.

Entities are another possible explanation. The progeny probably inherit
a few and absorb some data.

 

[OhMG]

In humans, studies found that when generations learned certain types of study, their children also learned those things faster. These studies were unpopular for obvious reasons, but the results and methods were airtight.

Cool. Do you have links to the double blind studies?

 

[Terril park]

Sounds just like Hubbard's pronouncement in the 1963 Time Track HCOB(s) of the "25 frames a second" thing.

I have never looked, but is there any scientific documentation on this subject?


Paul

This can be observed every day when you watch TV. Sadly that part of your education is lacking.

This below is some hands on demonstration. It seems the Hobbit has been done
at 48 frames per second.

http://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

 

[Dulloldfart]

This can be observed every day when you watch TV. Sadly that part of your education is lacking.

This below is some hands on demonstration. It seems the Hobbit has been done
at 48 frames per second.

Yes, the Hobbit movie looks strange for that reason. But here's a simpler implementation. I have a little Kodak Zi8 camcorder that works great. Specs given here in a MacWorld article. One shooting mode is 720p at 60 frames per second. One day I'll do a comparison video to see how much difference there is in capturing motion, although there must be one online somewhere.

However, this misses the point. What does "the brain" capture and store?

Paul

 

[Terril park]

However, this misses the point. What does "the brain" capture and store?

Paul

Its not so easy to frame a search for this.

This may be of interest

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

This at least goes in the direction of what you look for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision


I'm particularly fussy over image quality which is why I bought a state of the art 9th generation Kuru Pioneer 50" Monitor. From reading reviews this standard is now being achieved again, and in some areas bettered.

Much higher quality is coming very soon.

http://www.techradar.com/news/home-...erything-you-need-to-know-about-4k-tv-1048954

You could even read ESMB on these. Are you not tempted?

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

However, this misses the point. What does "the brain" capture and store?

Hubbard's contention, of which you know, is that it can't hold enough information. Hence his theory that the information is stored in mental pictures, one after another on the time track. In another book, The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot, the author contends memory is holographic in nature.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holograph...ds=the+holographic+universe+by+michael+talbot

Here's something about it - from this link which has more info.
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Holonomic_brain_theory
Mimsey

Holonomic brain theory
Karl Pribram (2007), Scholarpedia, 2(5):2735. doi:10.4249/scholarpedia.2735 revision #91358 [link to/cite this article]
Curator and Contributors
1.00 - Karl Pribram
Dr. Karl Pribram, Georgetown University, Washington, DC
Holonomic Brain Theory 1.jpg

Figure 1:
The Holonomic Brain Theory describes a type of process that occurs in fine fibered neural webs. The process is composed of patches of local field potentials described mathematically as windowed Fourier transforms or wavelets. The Fourier approach to sensory perception is the basis for the holonomic theory of brain function. Holonomy, as its name implies, is related to the unconstrained Fourier co-ordinate system described by holography. The Fourier transformation changes a space-time coordinate system into a spectral coordinate system within which the properties of our ordinary images are spread throughout the system. Fourier transformations are routinely performed on electrical recordings from the brain such as EEG and local field potentials. The term “holonomy” to describe a constrained, windowed, Fourier process, was borrowed from Hertz who used it to express in more generally applicable co-ordinates a specific co-ordinate system. Holonomic processes have more recently been called “Quantum Holography” by Walter Schempp (1993) in their application to image processing in tomography as in PET scans and functional Magnetic Resonance (fMRI) -- and even more recently for processing images in digital cameras. Dennis Gabor (1946) had pioneered the use of windowed Fourier processes for use in communication theory and noted its similarity to its use in describing quantum processes in subatomic physics. Gabor therefore called his units of communication “quanta of information”. Karl Pribram's holonomic theory is based on evidence that the dendritic receptive fields in sensory cortexes are described mathematically by Gabor functions.

Taking the visual system as an example, the form of an optical image is transformed by the retina into a quantum process that is transmitted to the visual cortex. Each dendritic receptive field thus represents the "spread" of the properties of that form originating from the entire retina. Taken together, cortical receptive fields form patches of dendritic local field potentials described mathematically by Gabor functions. Note that the spread of properties occurs within each patch; there is no spread of the Fourier process over the large extent of the entire cortex. In order to serve the perceptual process the patches must become assembled by the operation of nerve impuses in axonal circuits. Processing the vibratory sensory inputs in audition and in tactile sensation proceeds somewhat similarly.

But Gabor and similar wavelet functions, though useful in communication and computations, fail to serve as the properties of images and objects that guide us in the space-time world we navigate. In order to attain such properties an inverse Fourier transformation has to occur. Fortunately the Fourier process is readily invertable; the same transformation that begets the holographic domain, gets us back into space-time. The inverse Fourier transformation is accomplished by movement. In vision, nystagmoid movements define pixels, points which are mathematically defined by "Point Attractors". Larger eye and head movements define groupings of points which can readily be recognized as moving space-time figures. Such groupings are mathematically defined as "Symmetry Groups". The brain processes involved are organized by a motor cortex immediately adjacent to the primary visual cortex. Similar motor strips are located adjacent to other sensory input systems. The details of the evidence for how these processes work are described in Lectures 3, 4, and 5 of Pribram, Brain and Perception.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Hubbard's contention, of which you know, is that it can't hold enough information. Hence his theory that the information is stored in mental pictures, one after another on the time track. In another book, The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot, the author contends memory is holographic in nature.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holograph...ds=the+holographic+universe+by+michael+talbot

I think I read some of that on Scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/135805562/The-Holographic-Universe . I can't remember any of it, though.

My opinion is that our memory is continuous, not granular, certainly not as coarse as 25 per second. I don't know if it practically makes any difference, beyond being yet another example of Hubbard talking out of his ass.

Paul

 

[Dulloldfart]

http://www.techradar.com/news/home-...erything-you-need-to-know-about-4k-tv-1048954

You could even read ESMB on these. Are you not tempted?

I don't watch TV. I sometimes watch movies on my HD monitor 3' in front of my face, which I bet subtends a larger angle than your 50" TV at 8' or whatever. 3 feet works for "reading distance" with regard to spectacles, but 8 feet doesn't and running a laptop through a big-screen TV with an HDMI cable sounds great in theory but sucks for old farts with less-than-perfect eyesight and a limited glasses collection.

Now, a 4K 28" computer monitor I could go for in 10 years' time when the price is down to under £300 (at today's prices) and bandwidth speeds are fast enough to not make the download wait intolerable.

Paul

 

[JustSheila]

Cool. Do you have links to the double blind studies?

Glad to see you're interested.

I can find the rats ones online (I have before), but the ones with people were, as I said, unpopular, so not so easy to find. I was a University student then, so had access to all the psychology and sociology studies through my professor's school membership. (I have a double major in psychology and sociology)

I'd LOVE to see any related research completed since then.

Give me a day and I'll find some - I have to get ready for work now.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Here - I'll help you - here's a rat... Mimsey

 

[Terril park]

I don't watch TV. I sometimes watch movies on my HD monitor 3' in front of my face, which I bet subtends a larger angle than your 50" TV at 8' or whatever. 3 feet works for "reading distance" with regard to spectacles, but 8 feet doesn't and running a laptop through a big-screen TV with an HDMI cable sounds great in theory but sucks for old farts with less-than-perfect eyesight and a limited glasses collection.

Now, a 4K 28" computer monitor I could go for in 10 years' time when the price is down to under £300 (at today's prices) and bandwidth speeds are fast enough to not make the download wait intolerable.

Paul

I've seen a 42 " screen do stuff for a computer. Was cool! at 2 ft.

I need reading glasses but not desparately. For example I can easily read
my computer at 1 Ft. if adjusted correctly without them.. Note I'm officially qualified by the UK govment as an old fart.

Note that in the civilised south of the UK, cinema's use digital 4K to show movies.
Probably whats rolling down for home entertainment.

You need to see!!! this is with monster screens at near distances!!!!

Of course in the wilds of the scottish borders this may not be readily accessible.


One is often told " be carefull of what you wish for".

I expect you'll get it next year

A good wish

 

[Claire Swazey]

I believe in past lives. But I also think that it cannot be proven. I can think of many arguments a person could use to explain away certain phenomena.

I do tend to think tht sometimes people -including myself- are acting out issues from other identities/other lives. But proving that? Well, I won't try. Fun to think about, though.

 

[mearvk]

Certain types of illogical behavior; namely proofs made that can only be made be person's of extremely high intellect or by person's with very specific information. These can be made to create a series of events that would only make sense for the people that made the chain of events to begin with.

Thus if you already know the answer, yes.

And more generally and probably as important; illogical behavior can also prove the existence of whole track programming technology at work. But illogical to which set of observers? As noted; what seems crazy to one group may make perfect sense to another group playing on a different timeline, duration or even speed. Something to think about before throwing someone in the junk bin; but again maybe not.