Scientology poisons everything.

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I just caught up on the Too Much Cruelty thread.

Now that many of us have been out and away from Scientology for some time, we look at it as something we escaped from or that we merely left behind.

But I am increasingly persuaded that despite thinking we are on the outside looking in, we are actually still within the Scientology web.

Scientology poisons everything: friends, families, relationships, conversations, trust.

And I am not only referring to the Tech, or the Ethics, or the Admin; I am referring to very core of Scientology's inherent contempt for people.

It seems, for exes and indies and even those on the periphery, that it spreads a virus of meanness which infects those who come in contact with it.

Friends turn on friends, trust gets transformed into conflict, love gets torn asunder, and the better angels of nature can sometimes become demons.

I think we all have the Scientology poison still in us.

There is no vaccine, there is no cure.

It lies dormant, just waiting for the right moment to infect us from within.

I do believe there is a treatment.

The treatment is to simply look around and always be aware when we are hurting others.

If you find yourself hurting others who once were your friends, simply ask yourself, "Is this what Ron would do?"

If you find yourself hurting from the betrayal and upset from others who once were your friends, simply tell yourself "This is what Ron does."

I am not saying we should forgive or forget, nor let the Scientology poison be an excuse for personal behavior.

All I'm saying is to be aware when the poison is spreading and never let the poison take over your soul.

And it wouldn't hurt to have a nice song to help the medicine go down.

http://youtu.be/4xjPODksI08

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[He-man]

Scientology poisons everything, including this board.

At least people can look in through the windows and see the WTFness and run away screaming, blood gushing from their eyes.

 

[Bea Kiddo]

I love you TAJ.

 

[Churchill]

I just caught up on the Too Much Cruelty thread.

Now that many of us have been out and away from Scientology for some time, we look at it as something we escaped from or that we merely left behind.

But I am increasingly persuaded that despite thinking we are on the outside looking in, we are actually still within the Scientology web.

Scientology poisons everything: friends, families, relationships, conversations, trust.

And I am not only referring to the Tech, or the Ethics, or the Admin; I am referring to very core of Scientology's inherent contempt for people.

It seems, for exes and indies and even those on the periphery, that it spreads a virus of meanness which infects those who come in contact with it.

Friends turn on friends, trust gets transformed into conflict, love gets torn asunder, and the better angels of nature can sometimes become demons.

I think we all have the Scientology poison still in us.

There is no vaccine, there is no cure.

It lies dormant, just waiting for the right moment to infect us from within.

I do believe there is a treatment.

The treatment is to simply look around and always be aware when we are hurting others.

If you find yourself hurting others who once were your friends, simply ask yourself, "Is this what Ron would do?"

If you find yourself hurting from the betrayal and upset from others who once were your friends, simply tell yourself "This is what Ron does."

I am not saying we should forgive or forget, nor let the Scientology poison be an excuse for personal behavior.

All I'm saying is to be aware when the poison is spreading and never let the poison take over your soul.

And it wouldn't hurt to have a nice song to help the medicine go down.

http://youtu.be/4xjPODksI08

The Anabaptist Jacques

And you took the words right out of my mouth.

Be well, my friend.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

I just caught up on the Too Much Cruelty thread.

Now that many of us have been out and away from Scientology for some time, we look at it as something we escaped from or that we merely left behind.

But I am increasingly persuaded that despite thinking we are on the outside looking in, we are actually still within the Scientology web.

Scientology poisons everything: friends, families, relationships, conversations, trust.

And I am not only referring to the Tech, or the Ethics, or the Admin; I am referring to very core of Scientology's inherent contempt for people.

It seems, for exes and indies and even those on the periphery, that it spreads a virus of meanness which infects those who come in contact with it.

Friends turn on friends, trust gets transformed into conflict, love gets torn asunder, and the better angels of nature can sometimes become demons.

I think we all have the Scientology poison still in us.

There is no vaccine, there is no cure.

It lies dormant, just waiting for the right moment to infect us from within.

I do believe there is a treatment.

The treatment is to simply look around and always be aware when we are hurting others.

If you find yourself hurting others who once were your friends, simply ask yourself, "Is this what Ron would do?"

If you find yourself hurting from the betrayal and upset from others who once were your friends, simply tell yourself "This is what Ron does."

I am not saying we should forgive or forget, nor let the Scientology poison be an excuse for personal behavior.

All I'm saying is to be aware when the poison is spreading and never let the poison take over your soul.

And it wouldn't hurt to have a nice song to help the medicine go down.

http://youtu.be/4xjPODksI08

The Anabaptist Jacques

I think there's a very important thing that that gets forgotten or overlooked and that's the effect of hate.

When you are older and weaker and sensitive to stress hate is obvious, it knocks you sideways and really screws you mentally and physically, being stressed the imune system goes down and you get sick. It really is not fun to get slapped down for holding the views you have by people you consider friends.

 

[Claire Swazey]

I don't think it poisons everything. I think people do that.

I certainly don't think membership in CofS is ever beneficial and I have seen that, the deeper you go, the worse it gets. And that does poison lives. But I don't think that every connection to it fucks a person up.

Wasn't there recently a post here saying that maybe just being around the Scn subject even as critics, messes them up or something, hence flames, nasty FB groups, other bad things? But I don't buy that! I think a touchy person maketh a touchy critic or a touchy Scn'ist. I think a mellow person maketh a mellow person or a mellow Scn'ist- though with that last, you get the cultic indoc and that'll take away the mellowness for sure.

I don't think any good can come out of CofS membership. And that benefits derived get undone and outweighed by the bad. No question.

But I also think that people bring certain things to the table that're within themselves.

Scientology did not fuck everything up for me but there was a lot of damage done. Mostly by toxic policies and CofS corporate bullshit, but also by Hubbard's dogmatic nature and his demands that those interested in Dn and Scn take that as their only thing. Which, of course, is in the red on white- not just the green on white.

I got some stuff out of it but it was more that I learned what not to do- ideologically speaking and I saw that once I could look at where Hubbard got many of his ideas from or what influenced them, that I could journey on beyond Scn.

And, association with Scn and then, later, the critic's scene, brought me husband and friends. I will at least be glad about that, though I owe the cult no thanks at all.

 

[Panda Termint]

I firmly believe the most toxic spiritual/emotional/mental poison is "getting even".
That'll screw you up EVERY time.

 

[Claire Swazey]

They say that the best revenge is living well or success. Meaning, get on with your life and that if you really had an enemy, you've accomplished what they didn't want you to accomplish. And it also means that if you spent time on revenge plans, that's all you'd get.

In Scn, you know, they'd call it an overt product. But, of course, we don't need Scnese to know about this.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cABVKIPk_u0

 

[lotus]

TAJ

I very much like your post - it goes into the roots of it's cause and into how to get out of this entrapment.

For me it's more than two decades out and I still have to be very carefull about my thinking
I recently found out, while chatting with others non-practicing Scamologists (almost done with it)
that we have been very much dammaged about one specific issue

The compassion

Self compassion and toward others.

It takes a lot of courage to see it, because it's painfull, but it's a foot into a new mindfull path - very much rewarding
with enjoying self and others.

Thank's for your post
Strenght be with you!

 

[Leon]

I just caught up on the Too Much Cruelty thread.

Now that many of us have been out and away from Scientology for some time, we look at it as something we escaped from or that we merely left behind.

But I am increasingly persuaded that despite thinking we are on the outside looking in, we are actually still within the Scientology web.

Scientology poisons everything: friends, families, relationships, conversations, trust.

And I am not only referring to the Tech, or the Ethics, or the Admin; I am referring to very core of Scientology's inherent contempt for people.

It seems, for exes and indies and even those on the periphery, that it spreads a virus of meanness which infects those who come in contact with it.

Friends turn on friends, trust gets transformed into conflict, love gets torn asunder, and the better angels of nature can sometimes become demons.

I think we all have the Scientology poison still in us.

There is no vaccine, there is no cure.

It lies dormant, just waiting for the right moment to infect us from within.

I do believe there is a treatment.

The treatment is to simply look around and always be aware when we are hurting others.

If you find yourself hurting others who once were your friends, simply ask yourself, "Is this what Ron would do?"

If you find yourself hurting from the betrayal and upset from others who once were your friends, simply tell yourself "This is what Ron does."

I am not saying we should forgive or forget, nor let the Scientology poison be an excuse for personal behavior.

All I'm saying is to be aware when the poison is spreading and never let the poison take over your soul.

And it wouldn't hurt to have a nice song to help the medicine go down.

http://youtu.be/4xjPODksI08

The Anabaptist Jacques

This is such crap.

 

[lotus]

This is such crap.

I love it!

 

[Opter]

I love you TAJ.

Me too.



Opter

 

[Opter]

I firmly believe the most toxic spiritual/emotional/mental poison is "getting even".
That'll screw you up EVERY time.

When you begin a journey of revenge,
start by digging two graves:
one for your enemy and one for yourself.

_Chinese proverb






Opter

 

[DoneDeal]

A cult is a cult.

After ones sees one...........

Anyway, I get the idea of your post title. When I left staff I worked for a scn minded outfit (me being a big part of it)..but then that split up and I wandered around for years with scn think in my head and saw nearly everything through those glasses. That wasn't very smart of me to do. I was very able at my activities, but the gloss on the lenses had me thinking quite different than others. And that wasn't right.
I would have been better off if I'd never known of scn. I didn't need the help being different. I needed to be able to understand us humans as we are.

I appreciate the mistake as I grow older, I might well have made some other bad mistakes. (well I did that too)
I was kinda stupid. <--I am not implying that people who got involved in scn were "kinda stupid", I was talking about me.

That's the cool thing about esmb. It allowed me to see that there are people who were in the goofball outfit that don't agree with all the codes and crap that add up to nothing except confusion.