Leland
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In your post you actually agree with me. A newbie going in for Dianetic auditing is shunted off track and sold Scientology auditing.
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In your post you actually agree with me. A newbie going in for Dianetic auditing is shunted off track and sold Scientology auditing.
degraded being
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Sounds scary.
kate8024
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My argument is simply that this is what they would probably say if you called them and asked for Dianetic auditing without an IAS membership.
Free Being Me
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It's not supposed to make sense, it's $cientology per Elcon's Laws of Commotion.
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By popular demand (from the group bank), here is the compleat list of HUBBARD LAWS, which I shall endeavor to keep updated, unless I am spirited away by volunteer ministers wearing head cams. . .
It all began with a real scientist, Sir Isaac Newton, and his celebrated (and testable) 17th century discovery, the Newton's Law of Motion--"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." (Newton's 3rd Law)
IMPORTANT READER NOTE: Dr. Hubbard has confirmed that his Laws are senior to, and therefore far more powerful than Earth's laughable so-called science. Dr. Hubbard also discovered that his Laws are also far more valuable and admonishes the able to not waste money on human science when it could be much more wisely invested in advanced intergalactic, wholetrack OT science:
HUBBARD'S LAW OF COMMOTION: For each and every policy or piece of tech, there is an equal and opposite policy and piece of tech. [Example: Scientology's Creed which imparts all mankind inalienable rights to free speech and thought, whereas anyone attempting to practice same (e.g. Paulette Cooper) is condemned to a Fair Game death sentence]
HUBBARD'S LAW OF 10: Even if a Scientologist had 10 dictionaries, 10 word clearers and 10 pounds of clay, they could not possibly understand it. Because of the 10 points of KSW. [Example: A Scientologist could not possibly understand or "clear" the definition of the word "cult" or for that matter the word "Clear" itself. ]
HUBBARD'S LAW OF COGNITION DISSONANCE: For every cognition or win there is mental confusion and/or loss of comparable or greater magnitude. [Example: You go Clear and are totally safe & free from the eternal suffering of the reactive mind. However, at the moment you go Clear you are plunged head-first into the Non-Interfence Area where you are totally at risk & trapped in the eternal suffering of the reactive minds (of aliens)].
HUBBARD'S LAW OF FREEDOM: Freedom is never free because the out exchange makes people into criminals who need to be locked up and denied freedom. [Example: While a Scientologist is a "Volunteer Minister" to the world and happily shows up at the scene of an accident to give an assist to the victim, per the HCOPL Free Service Free Fall, if that same accident victim somehow wandered away from the scene of the accident and made it to an Org, they would not be helped by auditors unless they had a paid invoice.]
THE HUBBARD EXCEPTIONAL LAW OF PTS EXCEPTIONS: There shall be no exceptions to PTSness being caused by an SP except where the SP is higher on the command channel. Thus, people who roller coaster in the presence of big beings like Ron are actually PTS to themselves because of their own inherent evil (see List One R/Ser).
HUBBARD LAW OF CRITICISM: All criticism is caused by a missed withhold. Except when Ron & Scientologists criticize people. That is caused when a Scientologist misses a withhold on an SP and they pull in the 'gradients of ethics' which requires that the SP be criticized in order to salvage them.
HUBBARD LAW OF 100% [STRIKE]INERTIAL[/STRIKE] COMMERCIAL TECHNOLOGY: Any tech that works 100% of the time tends to work 100% of the time, unless acted upon by something that the 100% tech cannot handle, such as low toned and suppressive people, which cause one to roller coaster and lose all case gain. However, since the 100% tech states that the tech will not work in the presence of such evil people, the 100% tech actually therefore does work 100% of the time.
HUBBARD LAW OF WORD CLEARING: 1. That study technology that utilizes dictionaries to define each meaning of a word and use it in sentences until the point of full conceptual understanding and with enough practice the attainment of Super Literacy (and Super Literal-acy). 2. That study technology that addresses a SuperLiterate who yet still has disagreements with Hubbard's technology, advancing them to an even higher state of Super Allegor-acy, wherein they transcend the MEST-bound meanings of words and perceive their true, ARC-ful and ethical essence in the theta universe, in proper alignment with the Founder's (and/or a bigger being in Scientology management's) wishes. [Example: A Superliterate student on OT III must be able to recite and demonstrate the exact & literal, word-for-word sequence of events 75M years ago where Xenu implanted trillions of body thetans and transported them to Teegeack. After the Scientologist has completed the auditing and removal of all Body Thetans, they achieve Allegor-acy, a skill very useful during radio interviews when asked what their beliefs are about Xenu.]
HUBBARD LAW OF CLARIFICATION & CLEARIFICATION: For every 12.5 hours a person spends diligently clearing words & definitions, studying and/or clearing concepts about anything related to Scientology, Hubbard or another Scientologist spends 12.5 hours ensuring that the same information remains hidden, obfuscated, confused or otherwise incomprehensibly un-clear.
HUBBARD RULE OF 24 (aka "The 24 Hour Rule"): No period of 24 hours ever passes without a Scientologist at least once imagining themselves existing within the delusional Hubbardian cosmology and speaking and/or thinking the correspondent self-congratulatory IDI ("Idiotic Cult Idiom"). [Example: An OT at McDonalds is served a burger with ketchup instead of the mustard they ordered. A WOG would think: "WTF!?" and send it back. An OT would think: "Beings cannot duplicate on this planet!" thereby simultaneously explaining the failed postulate and elevating their own status by assuring self/others that they are quite familiar with standard burger tech on other planets.]HUBBARD LAW OF ORIGINAL SIN: The moment anyone becomes a new Scientologist, they are immediately guilty of "Suppressive Acts" and "High Crimes" (per policy) for failing and/or refusing to apply the 3rd point of HCOPL Keeping Scientology Working, ("Knowing it is correct"). Because lowly humans mistakenly think the tech is incorrect (due to their aberration preventing them perceiving it working) they must atone for their sins by thereafter performing lifelong acts of extreme contrition and sacrifice (donations) to the Supreme Being (cult leader) in order to CSW into Heaven ("Total Freedom"). [Historical Note: The Christian God had similar present time problems with humans, beginning with Adam, who disobeyed his policy to not eat from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. In modern times, Ron likewise struggled with human disobedience and that very same tree of knowledge--currently known as the Internet]
--- UPDATED BELOW ---
HUBBARD LAW OF PARADOXICAL PROMOTION: For each promotional action that effectively recruits a new Scientologist, there are 5.4 new enemies made for the cult, consisting of the recruit who eventually blows plus their immediate family and friends who learn it is a fraudulent hoax. Therefore, the more Scientology desperately tries to expand, the more they contract.
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degraded being
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If you are an illegal pc, what difference would that make?
Anonycat
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Oh, she could spend 5 minutes on the phone like I did, but that's not as fun as going on for 20 pages about it.
kate8024
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Well I think the question "is IAS membership always a firm requirement for auditing" is a valid question when discussing IAS membership requirements and supposed benefits.
kate8024
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Oh, she could spend 5 minutes on the phone like I did, but that's not as fun as going on for 20 pages about it.
Exactly! you already did this and I don't get why people are still going on about it...
Anonycat
Crusader
Yes, it is required. I'm glad you're done asking if it is.
freethinker
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IAS is a moving target. When I was in it was not a requirement to get an IAS membership to get auditing but it was to get a discount on auditing.
It's an interesting exchange here where Leland is correct that Dianetics had nothing to do with Scientology because it was a lone entity.
HoTai is correct that after Scientology Dianetics and all its incarnations became a subset of Scientology.
There was a bulletin written, I believe, in the 80's called Ridge on the Bridge. It addressed the fact that people came into Churchs of Scientology looking for Dianetics and then being told it wasn't used much;told this is much better but, that wasn't what they were looking for hence, the Dianetics center was born and mostly resided in the CoS. But, there are and have been Dianetic centers that stood on their own in their own building and fed public, who were ready, to the CoS.
So, in a sense,you can say that the CoS, Dianetics, The tech, and policy are all moving targets constantly changing and evolving even though they cannot change. Helluva Hoax calls this Hubbards Law of Commotion because the tech and policy was written to contradict itself to cover all situations that came up.
So you are all arguing points against each other that, if taken on their own, are correct but, taken collectively create cognitive dissonance.
Good luck.
It's an interesting exchange here where Leland is correct that Dianetics had nothing to do with Scientology because it was a lone entity.
HoTai is correct that after Scientology Dianetics and all its incarnations became a subset of Scientology.
There was a bulletin written, I believe, in the 80's called Ridge on the Bridge. It addressed the fact that people came into Churchs of Scientology looking for Dianetics and then being told it wasn't used much;told this is much better but, that wasn't what they were looking for hence, the Dianetics center was born and mostly resided in the CoS. But, there are and have been Dianetic centers that stood on their own in their own building and fed public, who were ready, to the CoS.
So, in a sense,you can say that the CoS, Dianetics, The tech, and policy are all moving targets constantly changing and evolving even though they cannot change. Helluva Hoax calls this Hubbards Law of Commotion because the tech and policy was written to contradict itself to cover all situations that came up.
So you are all arguing points against each other that, if taken on their own, are correct but, taken collectively create cognitive dissonance.
Good luck.
degraded being
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Oh, she could spend 5 minutes on the phone like I did, but that's not as fun as going on for 20 pages about it.
True, idle chat is comforting. Better than damn essays for triple majors (while holding down a full time job?).
degraded being
Sponsor
Kate, stop your counter intention and asking for verbal data and go to source.
Leland
Crusader
Kate.....anyhow I don't think anyone can get "book one" style Dianetics auditing anymore. It has been changed to NED.
There use to be some sort of Dianetics Auditors Association in the late 1950's but that was squashed by the CofS in the late 1960's far as I remember.
Does the CoS even offer a book one style Dianetics course anymore?
There use to be some sort of Dianetics Auditors Association in the late 1950's but that was squashed by the CofS in the late 1960's far as I remember.
Does the CoS even offer a book one style Dianetics course anymore?
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Free Being Me
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Cease and Desist Decree Per Panda's Executive ESMB Powers:
No one would want to upset Panda, would they? :nailbiting:
No one would want to upset Panda, would they? :nailbiting:
kate8024
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Well now I'm working part time since I'm back in school. I'm here tonight because I'm procrastinating writing an essay on The Showings of Julian of Norwich.
Anonycat
Crusader
Good question! A head count would be interesting.
degraded being
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Sounds like something he could have been arrested for.