Better late than never?
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FoTi
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Scientology and the Sea Org is such a strain on parents who have seen the light and their kids are still locked into the mind fuck. Too stressful.
I hope the awfulness ends soon.....and it appears that it might at the rate that DM is driving the public away with his ridiculous changes that more and more people can't possibly ignore anymore. It's just a matter of time (and I don't think it will be too long) before the slave ship sinks and the slaves will swim to shore to be rescued by the landlubbers....and hopefully the captain will go down with the ship, if there is any justice in this world.
betskand
Patron with Honors
Welcome, welcome! I am a never-in and pretty new here myself, but was overwhelmed by the kindness with which I was welcomed and the way people have allowed me in on discussions about which I was relatively uninformed.
I ALWAYS want to welcome people because it gives me an excuse to use the SMILEY-FACE-THANGS! At my age it can easily be the most fun I have all day! Sample coming:
still here
Patron with Honors
Welcome Two Cents.
I was moved by your post. Although I am truly delighted you have left the COS far behind you, it is sad and painful to hear that it cost you your marriage and your child.
My partner and I both got out and worked hard to deconstruct everything we had once thought, and rebuild. It served us well and 25 years on we have never looked back. Luckily my children (apart from a brief sojourn) have never been in, they are both well and happy and we all veyr close.
What moved me though was your beautiful and impressive strength. I think you are right, and Bea gave good advice, You only need to keep loving your child and making sure they know that. Many, many SO leave and if your child ever does, he/she will have you waiting, and many SO would be very grateful to know that, it may one day save your child.
Sadly I am not sure there is a way to reconcile your marriage but I am so pleased you are still friends. I think you will develop and expand and become someone very special with so much to give, and so much wisdom, on your own. I cannot concieve of a relationship where such fundamental differences exist, but if you can maintain goodwill then that is a real achievement.
Tolerance is a wonderful attribute, but compassion will always be the more important for me, you have both in abundance. They make you a very lovely person.
There is nothing I can tell you or offer you, except to say, I hope you realise how strong, how able and beautiful you are. You are such a gift to anyone who knows you, or who will, and a wonderful mother to your child, although they may not yet fully realise it.
I wish you all that is good and happy, because you so deserve it.
Still
Intentionally Blank
Scientology Widow
I'm a never in and my spouse is a multi-decade scn. From my experience love, tolerance, and mutual respect are pretty powerful tools. If you refuse to play tug of war over ideology and philosophy and accept someone where they are right now, I believe it eases the relationship and decreases resistance. In those spaces you might find room to plant the seeds of doubt. And if not, you still have someone you love in your life.
I can't imagine you would want to harm anyone you love
Almost everyone I've ever met in scn really wants to help others. They are good hearted people who are victims of a greedy, mind controlling, cult. Blanky
Happy Mother's Day to all who experience the joy, adventures and unconditional love of motherhood!
I don't think any other experience has so radically changed my life than having a child, and facing
the challenges and opportunities of assisting someone else to achieve independence and freedom.
Now, on to me and my independence and freedom...
Love,
Two Cents
I don't think any other experience has so radically changed my life than having a child, and facing
the challenges and opportunities of assisting someone else to achieve independence and freedom.
Now, on to me and my independence and freedom...
Love,
Two Cents
Hey everyone!
I hope you are all going to have a lovely month of June!
Boy, getting out of school for the year always raised my spirits, so I have such a soft spot for June in my heart.
Also, I love the flowers.
I have been doing a very informal survey of the state of the spiritual / personal development world recently, just to see what people are up to these days.
It's great to have the freedom to do that now, after three decades of being 'in the box' of the C of S, and being unable or unwilling to do so.
What I have found is so very encouraging to me and quite inspiring. Almost universally, no matter what I am viewing or reading there is such a beautiful feeling of love going around and amongst each person and their views/methods. Looking around at this area, not only is there tolerance for each person's views and individuality, but respect, love and even celebration of each other, as well as themselves.
Each person's unique humanity is recognized as well as the universal love that all share.
This is really, really cool for me as contrast to the suffering of "We are Right and We are the Only ones who are on the Right path" point of view.
Asserting any kind of "rightness" on a spiritual path seems like it really can get you into the soup in life, that's all I have to say.
Frankly, since life is in a constant state of change, any view that doesn't permit for new information will run into difficulty.
Opening my mind and heart to life again is so great for me, it's hard to put into words. It's like a deep, internal sigh of relief as the school bells ring
and I am free for the summer, to play again.
Love,
Two Cents
I hope you are all going to have a lovely month of June!
Boy, getting out of school for the year always raised my spirits, so I have such a soft spot for June in my heart.
Also, I love the flowers.
I have been doing a very informal survey of the state of the spiritual / personal development world recently, just to see what people are up to these days.
It's great to have the freedom to do that now, after three decades of being 'in the box' of the C of S, and being unable or unwilling to do so.
What I have found is so very encouraging to me and quite inspiring. Almost universally, no matter what I am viewing or reading there is such a beautiful feeling of love going around and amongst each person and their views/methods. Looking around at this area, not only is there tolerance for each person's views and individuality, but respect, love and even celebration of each other, as well as themselves.
Each person's unique humanity is recognized as well as the universal love that all share.
This is really, really cool for me as contrast to the suffering of "We are Right and We are the Only ones who are on the Right path" point of view.
Asserting any kind of "rightness" on a spiritual path seems like it really can get you into the soup in life, that's all I have to say.
Frankly, since life is in a constant state of change, any view that doesn't permit for new information will run into difficulty.
Opening my mind and heart to life again is so great for me, it's hard to put into words. It's like a deep, internal sigh of relief as the school bells ring
and I am free for the summer, to play again.
Love,
Two Cents
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Yesterday was Father's Day, and I meant to say "Happy Father's Day" to all you Dads out there, but I am tardy...oh, well. It seems strangely appropriate as that is a characteristic my father and I actually shared. I remember waiting in the freezing cold dark after school activities to get picked up and my Dad would be so late! But, he was so sweet with a sparkle in his blue eyes that you had to forgive him. He wasn't all that aware of time, is all, and neither am I, naturally. If I put a ton of effort into it I can focus on time, but if I don't, well, better late than never, right? Anyway, the joys and tribulations of fatherhood definitely deserve to be celebrated. Thanks to all you Dads out there, for being there, tardy or not...
Love,
Two Cents
Love,
Two Cents
I'm a never in and my spouse is a multi-decade scn. From my experience love, tolerance, and mutual respect are pretty powerful tools. If you refuse to play tug of war over ideology and philosophy and accept someone where they are right now, I believe it eases the relationship and decreases resistance. In those spaces you might find room to plant the seeds of doubt. And if not, you still have someone you love in your life.
I can't imagine you would want to harm anyone you love
Blanky
Dear Blanky,
I always wanted to say thank you for your discernment between a cult and the essentially good individuals caught up in it. I feel that really is so important. Personally, I feel that everyone deserves compassion and love and honesty, primarily from themselves.
Love,
Two Cents
Intentionally Blank
Scientology Widow
Dear Blanky,
I always wanted to say thank you for your discernment between a cult and the essentially good individuals caught up in it. I feel that really is so important. Personally, I feel that everyone deserves compassion and love and honesty, primarily from themselves.
Love,
Two Cents
Why, you're welcome!
My mom has been ill this summer. It's been overwhelming the amount of doctoring, tests, meds. One of the most supportive people in our circle of friends has been someone we know from the org. Just really good people. I know I can call anytime day or night and there will be a helping hand. It means a lot.
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R2-45
Silver Meritorious Patron
Is religion necessary?
After moving away from the nightmare of the C of S and having some time to start looking around at life in my own way, this is one of the questions I have been considering for myself. Recently, I heard someone say they believed that mankind might have destroyed itself if religions had not existed in earlier times.
Perhaps there is some truth to that. Maybe as humans we did benefit from being bound to certain precepts when we had lost our way into savagery.
Sometimes, you may have to tie yourself to the mast to keep yourself from destroying your ship in life, I guess. Any port in a storm.
That's how I got into Scn as a teenager, anyway.
But then, once you regain control of your senses, isn't it better to get yourself untied and start steering the ship again using the stars, tides, winds or GPS, whatever is handy?
That is how I feel about religion now. It can be comforting to people and provide community. It was a seedling tray of sorts for mankind, but many of us have outgrown it and are ready to use our own roots to connect to life as individuals directly, without an externally imposed structure.
Some people do good work for the community within their churches. Others use the forms of their religion to connect with their own spirituality and expand their consciousness and perception of universal and brotherly love. But, I believe there is a difference between religion and spirituality, although they have been mixed together for a long time.
Spirituality doesn't really contain righteousness to me, it is not judgmental of self or others.
Now, religion seems more like the "elephant rope" story to me. What is that? It is a story about a child who saw a huge elephant tied up behind a circus tent with a rope that it could easily escape from if it desired to walk away. The child asked, "Why does the elephant not just walk away?"
He was told, "The elephant was tied by that rope as a baby, when it was not big enough to pull away from it. So it still believes that it still cannot do so, even though it easily could." Similarly, the practice of religious righteousness is something that we may be able to walk away from as we more fully recognize our own nature.
I feel that love is not judgmental, bigoted or prejudiced towards or against any particular brand or belief of religious practice. So, if people still feel they need their religious format for their lives, they do. The golden rule of "Love your brother as you love yourself" has perhaps kept us alive as a race where it has been practiced, and it may keep doing so for some time to come. Many good things can happen for all of us as we continue to expand our love for ourselves and others more fully. But, I don't believe anymore that this consciousness can only grow within the confines of a religious context.
Growing up, I often thought of myself as a bit of an anarchist for some reason. I guess I was more accurate than I realized at the time.
Love,
Two Cents
After moving away from the nightmare of the C of S and having some time to start looking around at life in my own way, this is one of the questions I have been considering for myself. Recently, I heard someone say they believed that mankind might have destroyed itself if religions had not existed in earlier times.
Perhaps there is some truth to that. Maybe as humans we did benefit from being bound to certain precepts when we had lost our way into savagery.
Sometimes, you may have to tie yourself to the mast to keep yourself from destroying your ship in life, I guess. Any port in a storm.
That's how I got into Scn as a teenager, anyway.
But then, once you regain control of your senses, isn't it better to get yourself untied and start steering the ship again using the stars, tides, winds or GPS, whatever is handy?
That is how I feel about religion now. It can be comforting to people and provide community. It was a seedling tray of sorts for mankind, but many of us have outgrown it and are ready to use our own roots to connect to life as individuals directly, without an externally imposed structure.
Some people do good work for the community within their churches. Others use the forms of their religion to connect with their own spirituality and expand their consciousness and perception of universal and brotherly love. But, I believe there is a difference between religion and spirituality, although they have been mixed together for a long time.
Spirituality doesn't really contain righteousness to me, it is not judgmental of self or others.
Now, religion seems more like the "elephant rope" story to me. What is that? It is a story about a child who saw a huge elephant tied up behind a circus tent with a rope that it could easily escape from if it desired to walk away. The child asked, "Why does the elephant not just walk away?"
He was told, "The elephant was tied by that rope as a baby, when it was not big enough to pull away from it. So it still believes that it still cannot do so, even though it easily could." Similarly, the practice of religious righteousness is something that we may be able to walk away from as we more fully recognize our own nature.
I feel that love is not judgmental, bigoted or prejudiced towards or against any particular brand or belief of religious practice. So, if people still feel they need their religious format for their lives, they do. The golden rule of "Love your brother as you love yourself" has perhaps kept us alive as a race where it has been practiced, and it may keep doing so for some time to come. Many good things can happen for all of us as we continue to expand our love for ourselves and others more fully. But, I don't believe anymore that this consciousness can only grow within the confines of a religious context.
Growing up, I often thought of myself as a bit of an anarchist for some reason. I guess I was more accurate than I realized at the time.
Love,
Two Cents
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You lost me ... right... there.
Sorry.
But welcome, anyway, 2C
Hey there. Sorry about that! It's just the way Ghandi wrote it.
I would say 'Faith should be "supported" by reason', myself.
To me, it's just about not abandoning faith in yourself, or your own ability to reason.
He did use a little hyperbole, but he was trying to free a country and all...
Love,
Two Cents
Hey, y'all, it's been a while.
Boy, a lot seems to be happening with the C of S these days, doesn't it?
I feel like it is a good thing.
Lies are so much more easily exposed these days...
What's true remains and the rest falls away.
I hope you are feeling well and enjoying the springtime in the northern hemisphere, or autumn in the southern.
Lots of love,
Two Cents
Boy, a lot seems to be happening with the C of S these days, doesn't it?
I feel like it is a good thing.
Lies are so much more easily exposed these days...
What's true remains and the rest falls away.
I hope you are feeling well and enjoying the springtime in the northern hemisphere, or autumn in the southern.
Lots of love,
Two Cents