FoTi
Crusader
Just go to www.flagdown.org Or http://www.ustream.tv/channel/flag-down-2014
Each day is there.
Happy Friday!
Tory/Magoo
Tory....Yesterday's videos are incomplete.....each one is only about a minute.....go look for yourself.
Flagdown 2014: media coverage, etc
- Thread starter sallydannce
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Tory....Yesterday's videos are incomplete.....each one is only about a minute.....go look for yourself.
Lone Star
Crusader
It's not in print. The cult successfully kept it out of print. I think, and he seemed to allude to this, that it's in the works to get it printed. He just read it for the first time this past week.
failboat
Patron with Honors
Repost from here - http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...2-The-speakers&p=932096&viewfull=1#post932096
For those of you who didn't get a chance to watch this video before it was cut down to the unaffected part (the first 2 minutes), I will write my recollection of it from 1 or 2 viewings. Please forgive me if there are any inaccuracies in my memory. Hopefully the original is preserved and will be up on YouTube eventually.
In its original form, this video was approximately 23 minutes long. It was clear for about the first 2.5 minutes, and became stuttering (almost unwatchable) for the remaining ~20 minutes, just as Arnie Lerma was introducing another gentleman who had inside information on the death of Lisa McP. Lerma mentioned how, having seen her autopsy pictures, he always wondered where her cuts and bruises had come from, and that the gentleman's story made that clear to him.
I will skip a lot of early details, since I wasn't paying close attention to them, and most if not all are already on the record. The speaker said he worked for a company called AMC (** [see below] I think they are a security firm, since he had information about a lot of security guards and their injuries - here is their website - http://www.amcsecurity.com/ ). The speaker described how Lisa McP was fast-tracked up the bridge when Flag management discovered that her family in Texas (mother?) wanted her to return to Texas. He went through the details of the car accident, questioning why she might remove her clothes, and he insinuated that it was because she Wanted to be put in a psych ward. He described how they came and got her from the hospital, and mentioned how the spectre of electro-convulsive therapy was used to scare her into signing their dox that would allow them to take her out of the hospital's custody.
The bombs came after the narrative moved to the Fort Harrison. The gentleman described how guards at the Fort Harrison started showing up with black eyes, busted lips, etc., and that Lisa McP was the one responsible, fighting them - I assume this was at times when she was forcibly restrained. He mentioned that most of these guards spoke no English. He explained how something had to be done about the guards not being able to be at post if they were constantly getting beaten up. He described how a footlocker, large enough for her body, was obtained. He said that her arms and legs were tied, and an airhole was punched in the footlocker, and she was put in it, then driven in a van to another location - something about the north "IC" gardens (?**). He described the construction of a soundproof room where they put her, putting planks over windows and obtaining some sort of solid door. He mentioned that either guards or Sea Org (?) who quit during that period or shortly after complained about the screams. As the video was cutting off, he was talking about how she weighed over 145 pounds before the accident, and 120 pounds at the time of her death. I had the impression that he spoke for at least a few minutes more at the time the video cut off.
**EDITED TO ADD - Smurf has told me in this post that these were probably the "Hacienda Gardens" on "North Saturn" Avenue. He also pointed out that the speaker likely worked for AMC Publishing, where Lisa worked, and was probably not involved with security at all.
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Jamie has a copy...
I am certain he would not suppress it from being passed around. The cult of Scientology may have the copyright on it - so it does not get sold - it just gets READ!
Lone Star
Crusader
LOL... We'll call this Unnecessary Sidewalk Repair Tech. But if Hubbard didn't write it, is it then squirrel tech? :confused2:
Warrior
Patron with Honors
My recollection is that the paramedics who arrived on the scene said Lisa weighed about 155 pounds at the time of her accident. And I'm pretty sure that the autopsy said her body weight was 108 pounds at the time of her death.
Smurf
Gold Meritorious SP
I'm glad somebody gets it.. (from WWP)
We've endured two years of AmaX vile attacks on Tory Christman, on Mark Bunker, on Tony "Blowtega", on her beef with Smurf, on her viciously attacking that ESMB ex who reported from the courtroom in Monique Rathbun's trial. Let's face it - the woman has interpersonal issues. At some point when she dislikes so many people, it's her, not others.
Also - what is it? Junior High? She picked that horrid gym location, based on her own fears and misconceptions, never checked the sound, posted those juvenile decorations, acted as if she is the supreme commander on the event, while in fact the real organizer was Pete Griffiths.
Nobody is picking on Amax "just cause". A lot of constructive criticism has been voiced against her. It appears though that while she just loves calling just about everybody vicious ugly names on WWP and hating on people, somehow the moment somebody voices an objection to her ways we are "picking on her" and she "cries herself to sleep," and it's "very difficult living in CW." Room151
We've endured two years of AmaX vile attacks on Tory Christman, on Mark Bunker, on Tony "Blowtega", on her beef with Smurf, on her viciously attacking that ESMB ex who reported from the courtroom in Monique Rathbun's trial. Let's face it - the woman has interpersonal issues. At some point when she dislikes so many people, it's her, not others.
Also - what is it? Junior High? She picked that horrid gym location, based on her own fears and misconceptions, never checked the sound, posted those juvenile decorations, acted as if she is the supreme commander on the event, while in fact the real organizer was Pete Griffiths.
Nobody is picking on Amax "just cause". A lot of constructive criticism has been voiced against her. It appears though that while she just loves calling just about everybody vicious ugly names on WWP and hating on people, somehow the moment somebody voices an objection to her ways we are "picking on her" and she "cries herself to sleep," and it's "very difficult living in CW." Room151
Anonycat
Crusader
Thank you for sharing that -- very well stated.
I'm really happy the way things turned out, with a triumphant second half, and event conclusion. I feel it's something Pete can (and I hope will) build a legacy upon.
I watched the event as it happened, and I loved it all, but Jamie was absolutely riveting. I think he's at his new peak, which seems endlessly improving on the already excellent delivery he's capable of. He really got attention with the focus on magic being the foundation of scientology. I predict people will be talking about how great it all turned out for many days and years to come.
Thanks to those who made it into a winner. The attendees, speakers, and the donors included!
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Magoo
Gold Meritorious Patron
I can get them all here:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/47354669
I'm re-listening to Jamie DeWolf again, right now. He's fantastic always....but this one is
beyond beyond! I hope all of the talks are on YouTube soon.
Meantime.........have a *great* week-end and again, to any and all Mom's:
Happy Mother's Day!
Tory/Magoo
Magoo
Gold Meritorious Patron
Yes! Yes! Congratulations to ALL who helped move FlagDown2014 from going d o w n...
to one of THE Highlights of 2014!
I loved it all, too, and cannot thank the speakers enough, as well as the listeners, donators
and people who helped on-line. Also, I know Pete and others have worked
very hard to put it on....and I also thank you for doing so!
Take a bow, one and ALL 
Tory/Magoo
Smurf
Gold Meritorious SP
sallydannce
Gold Meritorious Patron
Not a clue. The link takes me to a pic of John and Dee and John.
Is that a clipboard he's holding? Mmmmm...
What kind of papers has he got in that clipboard I wonder.
FoTi
Crusader
I can get them all here:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/47354669
I'm re-listening to Jamie DeWolf again, right now. He's fantastic always....but this one is
beyond beyond! I hope all of the talks are on YouTube soon.
Meantime.........have a *great* week-end and again, to any and all Mom's:
Happy Mother's Day!
Tory/Magoo
Tory....on that link.....5 and 6 are incomplete. Friday night's vids are up, but the prior evening ..... 5 and 6 are only a minute of two of each one. They aren't all there.
Veda
Sponsor
"This is not a religion. This is a cult-mafia." Jamie DeWolf
The main part (after 28:00ish of the video) of the piece Jamie read is from a short piece titled, 'Philadelphia', which was written by Ron Jr. in the early 1980s. Ron Jr. added a little more to it in the mid 1980s. Excerpts from this comprise the bulk of the chapter, 'Blood of their bodies, Blood of their Souls', from the book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?'
Ron Jr. is despised and ridiculed by Scientologists and those still under the influence of Hubbard. They consider him to have been discredited ("dead agented") by the strange things he has written and said.
I'll drop this old (slightly edited) re-post here which was an attempt to "explain" Ron Jr. (also known as 'Nibs') to those puzzled or wondering:
Poor Nibs.
The first "Ron's Org" [Successful Scn spin off group, super loyal to Hubbard] SP Declare I ever read was the one on L. Ron Hubbard Jr. It was in a notebook owned by the person who is currently the Senior C/S [Case Supervisor: person who oversees counseling] for Ron's Orgs in the USA:
"Sector Ethics Order:
"Ron De Wolfe, alias Nibs Hubbard, alias L. Ron Hubbard Junior
"...He has recently come under direct influence of the infamous suppressive implanter known as Xenu, subject of Ethics Order No. 1 (written in 1967 by Elron Elray)...
"Astar Paramejgian
"Deputy Sector Commander"
The use of "alias" for dramatic effect is another echo of L. Ron Hubbard, whose (perceived) enemies were invariably communists, criminals, "1.1s" (for those familiar with the "Tone Scale"), or sex perverts, for example, according to the founder of Scientology, his 2nd wife, Sara, was a Russian spy, sent in to run a Covert Operation on Dianetics:
"Sara Komkovadamanov, alias Northrup..."
As for Ron Jr., or Nibs, and his contribution to books, there's not very much. There is a total of five pages of material, from Ron Jr., in the book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?'. All the material used in "Madman?' was supported by others' testimony and by court's evidence.
Most other books pretty much ignored Nibs. He, after all, had said his father used drugs, practiced self-hypnosis, and was deeply into the dark side of Magic(k), and that's preposterous, right? Plus, he had "settled" with Scientology Inc. in the early 1970s, recanting everything, and then settled again in the mid 1980s, recanting everything again.
One of the items used to discredit Nibs has been the early 1980s 'Penthouse' interview/article. This is unfortunate.
There's a confusion re. the 'Penthouse' article, as stories told to Ron Jr., by his father, were presented as being believed by Ron Jr.
Ron Jr. believed some of it, not all of it, and was uncertain about some things. That's one category: Things he was *told* by his father. His father *told* him (he was 17 in 1950) that he was selling secrets to the Russians, just as his father told Scientologists so many things. And, not unlike the Scientologists who are still "sorting it out" and recovering, so did Ron Jr. attempt to do so.
Of course, Ron Jr. had the additional problem of having been Fair Gamed, by his father and Scientology, for most of his life. The two "buttons" that Scientology Inc. went after were "family, wife, children," and "money, jobs, etc." Scientology Inc. was relentless.
Ron Jr. was told many things by his father, but he also *witnessed* his father's behavior: his father throwing dinner plates against walls, his father drinking heavily, and his father using drugs; he witnessed his father's fascination with the writings of Aleister Crowley, and with the darkest aspects of the occult, witnessed his father's use of self-hypnosis with the 'Affirmations' - the 'Affirmations' beginning in the late 1930s. (The 'Affirmations' on the Net are from around 1946.) He also witnessed his father secretly stuffing cash into shoe boxes, then telling people he had no money and declaring bankruptcy, and he witnessed the contempt with which his father regarded Scientologists, the Scientologists to whom his father had repeatedly lied.
However, Ron Jr. was told so many tall tales by his father, that he spent the rest of his life trying to sort it out, and trying to free himself from his father's manipulations. And he said so.
After the birth of Ron Jr.'s youngest son (Alex) who was born with Down syndrome, Scientology Inc. - which was already tightening the screws on Ron Jr. with an assortment of covert dirty tricks, such as messing with his credit rating, having him fired from jobs, and even taking pictures of his kids walking to school, etc. - approached him to "settle," and "make peace."
Some years went by, and, in the early 1980s, Ron Jr. began to speak out again. That was when he wrote, 'Philadelphia', which was mostly about his time with is father in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in late 1952.
Ron Jr. was proud of his youngest son and his Special Olympics accomplishments, and was concerned that he was going to die and leave his wife, and his youngest son, with nothing, so, in mid 1986, he once again made "peace" with Scientology Inc., signed the usual prepared retractions, and took the money - so at least his family would have something after he was gone.
The Flagdown event seems to have recovered nicely from the speed bump of the incident at its onset. From what I've seen this has been an excellent event.
The main part (after 28:00ish of the video) of the piece Jamie read is from a short piece titled, 'Philadelphia', which was written by Ron Jr. in the early 1980s. Ron Jr. added a little more to it in the mid 1980s. Excerpts from this comprise the bulk of the chapter, 'Blood of their bodies, Blood of their Souls', from the book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?'
Ron Jr. is despised and ridiculed by Scientologists and those still under the influence of Hubbard. They consider him to have been discredited ("dead agented") by the strange things he has written and said.
I'll drop this old (slightly edited) re-post here which was an attempt to "explain" Ron Jr. (also known as 'Nibs') to those puzzled or wondering:
Poor Nibs.
The first "Ron's Org" [Successful Scn spin off group, super loyal to Hubbard] SP Declare I ever read was the one on L. Ron Hubbard Jr. It was in a notebook owned by the person who is currently the Senior C/S [Case Supervisor: person who oversees counseling] for Ron's Orgs in the USA:
"Sector Ethics Order:
"Ron De Wolfe, alias Nibs Hubbard, alias L. Ron Hubbard Junior
"...He has recently come under direct influence of the infamous suppressive implanter known as Xenu, subject of Ethics Order No. 1 (written in 1967 by Elron Elray)...
"Astar Paramejgian
"Deputy Sector Commander"
The use of "alias" for dramatic effect is another echo of L. Ron Hubbard, whose (perceived) enemies were invariably communists, criminals, "1.1s" (for those familiar with the "Tone Scale"), or sex perverts, for example, according to the founder of Scientology, his 2nd wife, Sara, was a Russian spy, sent in to run a Covert Operation on Dianetics:
"Sara Komkovadamanov, alias Northrup..."
As for Ron Jr., or Nibs, and his contribution to books, there's not very much. There is a total of five pages of material, from Ron Jr., in the book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?'. All the material used in "Madman?' was supported by others' testimony and by court's evidence.
Most other books pretty much ignored Nibs. He, after all, had said his father used drugs, practiced self-hypnosis, and was deeply into the dark side of Magic(k), and that's preposterous, right? Plus, he had "settled" with Scientology Inc. in the early 1970s, recanting everything, and then settled again in the mid 1980s, recanting everything again.
One of the items used to discredit Nibs has been the early 1980s 'Penthouse' interview/article. This is unfortunate.
There's a confusion re. the 'Penthouse' article, as stories told to Ron Jr., by his father, were presented as being believed by Ron Jr.
Ron Jr. believed some of it, not all of it, and was uncertain about some things. That's one category: Things he was *told* by his father. His father *told* him (he was 17 in 1950) that he was selling secrets to the Russians, just as his father told Scientologists so many things. And, not unlike the Scientologists who are still "sorting it out" and recovering, so did Ron Jr. attempt to do so.
Of course, Ron Jr. had the additional problem of having been Fair Gamed, by his father and Scientology, for most of his life. The two "buttons" that Scientology Inc. went after were "family, wife, children," and "money, jobs, etc." Scientology Inc. was relentless.
Ron Jr. was told many things by his father, but he also *witnessed* his father's behavior: his father throwing dinner plates against walls, his father drinking heavily, and his father using drugs; he witnessed his father's fascination with the writings of Aleister Crowley, and with the darkest aspects of the occult, witnessed his father's use of self-hypnosis with the 'Affirmations' - the 'Affirmations' beginning in the late 1930s. (The 'Affirmations' on the Net are from around 1946.) He also witnessed his father secretly stuffing cash into shoe boxes, then telling people he had no money and declaring bankruptcy, and he witnessed the contempt with which his father regarded Scientologists, the Scientologists to whom his father had repeatedly lied.
However, Ron Jr. was told so many tall tales by his father, that he spent the rest of his life trying to sort it out, and trying to free himself from his father's manipulations. And he said so.
After the birth of Ron Jr.'s youngest son (Alex) who was born with Down syndrome, Scientology Inc. - which was already tightening the screws on Ron Jr. with an assortment of covert dirty tricks, such as messing with his credit rating, having him fired from jobs, and even taking pictures of his kids walking to school, etc. - approached him to "settle," and "make peace."
Some years went by, and, in the early 1980s, Ron Jr. began to speak out again. That was when he wrote, 'Philadelphia', which was mostly about his time with is father in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in late 1952.
Ron Jr. was proud of his youngest son and his Special Olympics accomplishments, and was concerned that he was going to die and leave his wife, and his youngest son, with nothing, so, in mid 1986, he once again made "peace" with Scientology Inc., signed the usual prepared retractions, and took the money - so at least his family would have something after he was gone.
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The Flagdown event seems to have recovered nicely from the speed bump of the incident at its onset. From what I've seen this has been an excellent event.
failboat
Patron with Honors
[video=youtube;1z732toKtZc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1z732toKtZc[/video]
Darth Xander posted this video this morning.
Darth Xander posted this video this morning.
https://whyweprotest.net/community/...nction-discussion.118319/page-10#post-2452673
stevethewog
New Member
Remember the definition of SP: A Sane Person who is willing to tell the TRUTH !!!
nice one
