can't get over this... What garbage OT 8 is...

[prosecco]

Am new to board, but have been out for awhile, have some friends who are ex's.

Was reading Tony Ortega's blog about a month ago where he talked about OT 8. Prior to this, I didn't go looking on the internet about OT levels, not because I was brain washed not to, but because I didn't care.Like not at all.

Am second generation, and people I respected advised me that this level was worth doing. Lots of early career decisions were made based on this advice, and am physically sick that I didn't go with my heart career wise.

So when I read about OT 8, it wasn't the materials that upset me, well, maybe because it was rubbish, it was shock that family who I trusted, thought my life should be based on getting to this ridiculous, jaw droppingly insane 'level.'

Oh I don't know, the writing was on the wall after OT 3, I suppose....

 

[David C Gibbons]

You are not alone, brother - so many of us were drawn away from what we wished to do with our hearts - NOW it is time to rediscover our dreams, and get on with them as best we can.

 

[cleared cannibal]

You are not alone, brother - so many of us were drawn away from what we wished to do with our hearts - NOW it is time to rediscover our dreams, and get on with them as best we can.

I think this what meant when I said auditing killed something inside of me. It seems like it killed my ability to dream. I may be being unfair to scientology on this because it can be a common problem as one ages to lose their dreams.

 

[strativarius]

<snip>I may be being unfair to scientology on this because it can be a common problem as one ages to lose their dreams.

This is an ex-scientologists forum. Fear of being unfair to Scientology isn't a major concern here.

 

[lotus]

Hi,

Probably most of us understand what you are going through presently - physical and emotional

Being ill need to be adressed with competent medical care. Please ensureyou are under good care,
(I am certain some will tell you that OT8 upset, needs to be adressed with more $cientology)


the deception, the wake-up, the realization it's a scam is very much painfull, only at the bigining of the light is turned on. Then, healing process starts, one step at the time.

Even though you may feel very much bad about all this, you'll find a way out of it, and it will disintensify. It will leave room in your mind for your to see what you decide you may let go, change, keep whatever you wish, but YOU will decide and listen to your heart and intuition.

What you did, takes a lot of courage and confront, some don't have. It takes strenght and self determinism to turn on the light an look at the truth.
You will make it through, and be fine soon!

 

[prosecco]

Hi,

Probably most of us understand what you are going through presently - physical and emotional

Being ill need to be adressed with competent medical care. Please ensureyou are under good care,
(I am certain some will tell you that OT8 upset, needs to be adressed with more $cientology)


the deception, the wake-up, the realization it's a scam is very much painfull, only at the bigining of the light is turned on. Then, healing process starts, one step at the time.

Even though you may feel very much bad about all this, you'll find a way out of it, and it will disintensify. It will leave room in your mind for your to see what you decide you may let go, change, keep whatever you wish, but YOU will decide and listen to your heart and intuition.

What you did, takes a lot of courage and confront, some don't have. It takes strenght and self determinism to turn on the light an look at the truth.
You will make it through, and be fine soon!

Thank you. Yes, I did say am physically sick, but more of a pit in my stomach, and that feeling of wanting to barf. Not continually though... Sorry for the confusion.

Am more surprised by my own reaction, I suppose as I thought I had swept away any disappointment and sort of laughed at what I used to believe.

 

[lotus]

Thank you. Yes, I did say am physically sick, but more of a pit in my stomach, and that feeling of wanting to barf. Not continually though... Sorry for the confusion.

Am more surprised by my own reaction, I suppose as I thought I had swept away any disappointment and sort of laughed at what I used to believe.

OH!

Thanks - I get it now!

Let it go then, let it go!



A bit of self-beating for a while ?



I offer my volunteer help for a good laugh at it

 

[degraded being]

I think this what meant when I said auditing killed something inside of me. It seems like it killed my ability to dream. I may be being unfair to scientology on this because it can be a common problem as one ages to lose their dreams.

Do you mind if I ask what level and what 'extra' rundowns you did, and did you have any sec checks?

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Am new to board, but have been out for awhile, have some friends who are ex's.

Was reading Tony Ortega's blog about a month ago where he talked about OT 8. Prior to this, I didn't go looking on the internet about OT levels, not because I was brain washed not to, but because I didn't care.Like not at all.

Am second generation, and people I respected advised me that this level was worth doing. Lots of early career decisions were made based on this advice, and am physically sick that I didn't go with my heart career wise.

So when I read about OT 8, it wasn't the materials that upset me, well, maybe because it was rubbish, it was shock that family who I trusted, thought my life should be based on getting to this ridiculous, jaw droppingly insane 'level.'

Oh I don't know, the writing was on the wall after OT 3, I suppose....

First of all, welcome to the board.

I wouldn't hold any regrets.

Having gone through and knowing what you now know, you are much farther ahead in understanding life than someone who never encountered such a challenge.

"Better to be a Socrates dissatisfied than a pig, satisfied." J.S. Mill

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[prosecco]

First of all, welcome to the board.

I wouldn't hold any regrets.

Having gone through and knowing what you now know, you are much farther ahead in understanding life than someone who never encountered such a challenge.

"Better to be a Socrates dissatisfied than a pig, satisfied." J.S. Mill

The Anabaptist Jacques

It's funny, I was wondering whether some of the attributes gained, were in spite of, 'the tech...' Such as being ex SO, the ability to cope on very little sleep (very useful when having kids), the ability to work long hours...

I may be clutching at straws here....

Mostly I don't think about being in Scn at all. It was just something I used to do, and maybe part of the reason I'm so irritated about OT 8 being such rubbish is that it was a goal of mine for so long. Embarrassed now.

 

[The_Fixer]

I would think most folks here went through the embarrassment phase of what they believed whilst they were good little culties.

I certainly did and to some degree, still am.

But it will pass.

 

[The_Fixer]

I think this what meant when I said auditing killed something inside of me. It seems like it killed my ability to dream. I may be being unfair to scientology on this because it can be a common problem as one ages to lose their dreams.

I believe that many of us learn to stop dreaming as the disappointments set in over time of failures and betrayals. We learn that it is no longer safe to do so or begin to regard it as futile.

Been there, done that.

It takes a pretty fundamental shift in thinking to allow ourselves to dream and to believe in them again. Not everyone can or will do it.

 

[sallydannce]

I believe that many of us learn to stop dreaming as the disappointments set in over time of failures and betrayals. We learn that it is no longer safe to do so or begin to regard it as futile.

Been there, done that.

It takes a pretty fundamental shift in thinking to allow ourselves to dream and to believe in them again. Not everyone can or will do it.

For me it is a balancing act. I still dream, big time. I am the "queen" of imagination and fantasy but I consciously ring it off and remain firmly grounded most of the time. This blend works well for me.

Life is full of mundanity (sp?) - the trick is to find the magnificent in the mundane. Shall I discuss the joy and wonder of doing the ironing? Seriously I have even found a way to love doing something I used to loathe doing. (I do a lot of ironing cos I mostly wear natural textiles which require ironing.)

I had my heart and soul ripped apart leaving the cult and the "cult-based" marriage with the ex. It has taken bucket loads of conscious mindfulness - and some serious reframing of just about every-damn-thing - to move from that dark shit to finding the buzz in life again. That has opened up the freedom to dream again. By truly being in the moment, highly focused, conscious of the detail of life, the past no longer kicks me around like it did and I have plenty of free energy to dream and create.

Gotta fly - the fridge needs cleaning out. I am on an expedition to find hidden treasures in the dark recesses of it. Did I - or did I not - stash some chocolate in there which I have forgotten about? Life can be framed in the most delicious way.

 

[Sindy]

Gotta fly - the fridge needs cleaning out. I am on an expedition to find hidden treasures in the dark recesses of it. Did I - or did I not - stash some chocolate in there which I have forgotten about? Life can be framed in the most delicious way.

That's pretty profound. I'm gonna try that

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I think this what meant when I said auditing killed something inside of me. It seems like it killed my ability to dream. I may be being unfair to scientology on this because it can be a common problem as one ages to lose their dreams.

Au contraire!

Scientology explicitly and intentionally derails the dreams of EVERYONE foolish enough to get involved.

It all begins quite innocently with "ruin finding", wherein the friendly cult members grin and promise their "raw meat terminal" that Scientology will help them fix the ruin (no problem!) and allow them to achieve their dream.

Soon enough, Scientology is recruiting the person for this and that project and ultimately ASKING...TELLING...ORDERING & COMMANDING them to do this.....

HELP RON ACHIEVE HIS DREAM​

Ron's dream.

Not your dream.

Ron's dream of the destruction of psychiatry.

Ron's dream of a clear planet.

Ron's dream of a salvaged sector.

Ron's dream of Scientology ruling the world.

Ron's dream.

Have I mentioned recently that Scientology is set up to help Ron achieve HIS dream? LOL

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Au contraire!

Scientology explicitly and intentionally derails the dreams of EVERYONE foolish enough to get involved.

It all begins quite innocently with "ruin finding", wherein the friendly cult members grins and promises their "raw meat terminal" that Scientology will help them fix the ruin (no problem!) and allow them to achieve their dream.

Soon enough, Scientology is recruiting the person for this and that project and ultimately TELLING, ORDERING & COMMANDING them to do this.....

HELP RON ACHIEVE HIS DREAM​

Ron's dream.

Not your dream.

Ron's dream of the destruction of psychiatry.

Ron's dream of a clear planet.

Ron's dream of a salvaged sector.

Ron's dream of Scientology ruling the world.

Ron's dream.

Have I mentioned recently that Scientology is set up to help Ron achieve HIS dream? LOL

Yes, but it's very important that dreams are achieved and I'm especially pleased that Ron achieved his final one ... the one where he would be skulking around in a maximum security motor home in his jim jams, swigging whisky, barking at the moon and drugged off his head with a dwarf watching his every move ...

We all need dreams.

 

[sallydannce]

Yes, but it's very important that dreams are achieved and I'm especially pleased that Ron achieved his final one ... the one where he would be skulking around in a maximum security motor home in his jim jams, swigging whisky, barking at the moon and drugged off his head with a dwarf watching his every move ...

We all need dreams.

Oh yeah! Hold onto your dreams! Never let go!

This evening my dream to write meaningful work for a meaningful reason moved a huge step forward.

I am beyond excited! The creative juices are on fire here. Every aspect of what I love about life are all going to come into play.

Tonight I declare myself one of the luckiest people in the world. It sure feels like that!

I am unable to discuss details at this stage. Still gotta talk to some people and sort some stuff out.

Now, how do I get off this cloud sufficiently to get some damn sleep?

 

[The_Fixer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKQsv1Q3ZNY
yeah, baby!

 

[The_Fixer]

OK, so I'm an oldie (of sorts), but I couldn't pass on this follow up.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQsg6XXGxXQ

Another bloody EDIT!: I cannot believe that I now hear this one as piped supermarket music now! I loved this band, found them just so inspirational.

 

[Operating DB]

Yes, but it's very important that dreams are achieved and I'm especially pleased that Ron achieved his final one ... the one where he would be skulking around in a maximum security motor home in his jim jams, swigging whisky, barking at the moon and drugged off his head with a dwarf watching his every move ...

We all need dreams.

LOL. As I read your post I conjured up in my mind's eye what that would look like. (Note: I did not mock up scientological mental image pictures.)

I would love to see an artist's or cartoonist's rendition of this scenario.

Hubbard barking at the moon! LOLOLOL