petal
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Dear, Free:
Metaphysic is in the realm philosophy.
And physics Is an abbreviation for "natural philosophy."
petal
The human body acts as a capacitor
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Dear, Free:
Metaphysic is in the realm philosophy.
And physics Is an abbreviation for "natural philosophy."
petal
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unmitigated bullshit ralph...
consider the implication of a stomach, whose lining is filled with acids... being adjacent to a gall bladder, which is filled with strong alkalines.
think about it for a while.
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Everything is an electromagnetic medium. When nothing is happening too quickly, or over too-long distances, one can normally ignore the very tiny amount of electromagnetic radiation that is generated by slowly changing currents, and then the full complexity of electromagnetic media can usually be well enough approximated in simpler terms. One can think of a chunk of stuff as an object, instead of as a place filled with electromagnetic fields.
Charge can flow in and out of the object, or stay stuck in it. Capacitance describes the energy associated with the amount of charge staying in an object. Resistance describes the energy associated with how fast charge is flowing through the object. (Conductance is the same concept as resistance, just measured inversely: conductance is one divided by resistance.) Inductance measures energy associated with how fast that current is itself changing.
Those three quantities are sufficient to tell you quite a lot about what is going on with an object, electrically; and to get much more detailed information, you usually have to go to full-blown electrodynamics. There is no convenient next little step of detail, such as adding a fourth electrical property to those basic three. So while it's not true that those three quantities of capacitance, resistance, and inductance are the whole story of electromagnetism, it is true that they are the whole of the short version that you can use for most electrical circuits. If you want the long version, it'll take quite a while.
So, insofar as we are sticking with the short version, every object has some finite amount of all three properties. An ideal capacitor has infinite resistance, because an ideal capacitor is by definition the isolated concept of pure capacitance, with no electrical current involved at all. No real capacitors are ideal. All have some finite resistance. They allow at least some tiny trickle of current to leak through.
Likewise, an ideal resistor has no capacitance — but only because ideal resistors are theoretical fictions, invented to isolate the distinct properties of real things. All real resistors have some capacitance. At least a tiny bit of charge can get stuck in them.
Being a real object, rather than a theoretical concept, the human body is both a conductor and a capacitor. It's not terribly good at either; we are not made of copper plates and wires. Our electrolytic fluids are quite decent conductors, as Ralph Hilton correctly stated, but they're surrounded by other tissues with much higher resistance, as Lermanet_com rightly remarked. Dry skin, in particular, is quite a bad conductor — which is the same as being a good (but not infinite) resistor.
Human bodies can also hold electrical charge. As Ogsonofgroo pointed out quite correctly, scuffing your feet on a carpet proves this. You can carry a charge around, and zap your friends. That's capacitance.
So everybody's right, except in saying that the other people are wrong. You're all wrong about that part.
No refunds. Sorry.
Charge can flow in and out of the object, or stay stuck in it. Capacitance describes the energy associated with the amount of charge staying in an object. Resistance describes the energy associated with how fast charge is flowing through the object. (Conductance is the same concept as resistance, just measured inversely: conductance is one divided by resistance.) Inductance measures energy associated with how fast that current is itself changing.
Those three quantities are sufficient to tell you quite a lot about what is going on with an object, electrically; and to get much more detailed information, you usually have to go to full-blown electrodynamics. There is no convenient next little step of detail, such as adding a fourth electrical property to those basic three. So while it's not true that those three quantities of capacitance, resistance, and inductance are the whole story of electromagnetism, it is true that they are the whole of the short version that you can use for most electrical circuits. If you want the long version, it'll take quite a while.
So, insofar as we are sticking with the short version, every object has some finite amount of all three properties. An ideal capacitor has infinite resistance, because an ideal capacitor is by definition the isolated concept of pure capacitance, with no electrical current involved at all. No real capacitors are ideal. All have some finite resistance. They allow at least some tiny trickle of current to leak through.
Likewise, an ideal resistor has no capacitance — but only because ideal resistors are theoretical fictions, invented to isolate the distinct properties of real things. All real resistors have some capacitance. At least a tiny bit of charge can get stuck in them.
Being a real object, rather than a theoretical concept, the human body is both a conductor and a capacitor. It's not terribly good at either; we are not made of copper plates and wires. Our electrolytic fluids are quite decent conductors, as Ralph Hilton correctly stated, but they're surrounded by other tissues with much higher resistance, as Lermanet_com rightly remarked. Dry skin, in particular, is quite a bad conductor — which is the same as being a good (but not infinite) resistor.
Human bodies can also hold electrical charge. As Ogsonofgroo pointed out quite correctly, scuffing your feet on a carpet proves this. You can carry a charge around, and zap your friends. That's capacitance.
So everybody's right, except in saying that the other people are wrong. You're all wrong about that part.
No refunds. Sorry.
petal
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It is showing the charge when you pick up the cans. That is what the emeter reads. Charge.
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petal
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Oh, that's good to know. So when my car's old, weak starter battery finally goes belly-up, I don't need to buy a new battery, I can just start the car by touching the connectors, where normally the battery would go.
Whee, I'm a capacitor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8miq6sDy0wA
On a more serious note, you might want to find a good "Electronics for beginners" course for yourself.
Of well, merry x-mas anyway.
A battery is a capacitor it holds charge. And when it is flat one has to "charge" it up again!
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Yes, but not to the exclusion of being a resistor with finite resistance. Everything is a capacitor. The only question is, how big is its capacitance?
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FARAD YOU!
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I don't thinks so Petal, the e-meter puts a small voltage through the body, if I'm not mistaken it measures (on a very crude level) the resistance of the body, the multitude of variables (sweating, latent micro voltage, grip, etc.) make the exercise pretty much pointless, Arnie please correct me kind sir, you use to build 'em, and I know you've explained it before numerous times, but...:confused2:
Matheson's purloined meter (ala LRon) is nothing but a glorified ohm-meter, and as a 'religious artifact' (lmfao!) is just more smoke & mirror glorp, spewed out of the old windbag's greedy, ego-driven, manipulative, conniving, rotten brain. Fuck you dead&gone LRon, you reaped what you bred, how'd that work for you?
If you are referring to a car battery, at 12 volts a lead acid battery is nearly "dead" as to capacity of cranking an auto engine. Its actually around 13.5 volts fully charged.
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Neither charge nor capacitance is measured in Volts. Charge is measured in Coulombs, or Ampère-seconds; or as you often see on batteries these days, in milliAmp-hours. It is conceivable that the e-meter is to some extent indirectly measuring the kind of psychological stress that one might describe, metaphorically, as 'charge'. It is not measuring electrical charge.
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I don't thinks so Petal, the e-meter puts a small voltage through the body, if I'm not mistaken it measures (on a very crude level) the resistance of the body, the multitude of variables (sweating, latent micro voltage, grip, etc.) make the exercise pretty much pointless, Arnie please correct me kind sir, you use to build 'em, and I know you've explained it before numerous times, but...:confused2:
Matheson's purloined meter (ala LRon) is nothing but a glorified ohm-meter, and as a 'religious artifact' (lmfao!) is just more smoke & mirror glorp, spewed out of the old windbag's greedy, ego-driven, manipulative, conniving, rotten brain. Fuck you dead&gone LRon, you reaped what you bred, how'd that work for you?
Close enough...
For techno geeks the combination of Hubbard's instructions for operation (keeping needle near SET position) and the E-meter measurement circuitry and hand can electrodes, with the human body holding those electrodes, may be viewed as a 80-100 uAmp constant current source for the body.
The body does not act as a capacitor, storing charge, it acts as a dissipative resistive load.(note)
Turning the "TA" knob up and down raises and lowers the applied VOLTAGE to the body, but the current stays the same...
I did the numbers and found that the total current applied to a body by the E-meter over 2.5 hours, in coulombs, is equal to the charge put into a body by 1 shock of a three shock Electro Convulsive Shock therapy session.
Ain't it cool?
Creepy huh?
Note: I believe the current is dissipated as ionic changes at cell wall membranes. Cell wall ion pumps activate at femptoamp currents, 1000 X less than 1 microamp. There is a very slight, measurable "charge" noted when the current direction is reversed, (one can is always positive and one is negative) This differential may be due to ion migration into the skin due to the direct current. Nota Bene: Even the 19th century healing electroquacks (note2) learned early on that DC messes up human bodies... and they started using AC...the E-meter uses DC... direct current.
Note2: The 'healing' effects noted were of loss of symptoms, as if you gave the person an opiate pain killer making symptoms vanish "I can walk again!" This is due to the electrically induced ENDORPHIN response of the body. Endorphins are the body's own opiates and bind to the same receptors in the brain and nervous system creating - at sufficient dose, euphoria with apparent clarity of mind. Winston Churchill would have his doctor give him a shot of morphine before addressing Parliament... The only question left is not whether this effect exists, the only question left is precisely what is the morphine equivalent dose of 2.5 hours direct current through a human body at 80-100 microamps. It may be, sub clinical, it certainly is small, it may be mere micrograms of morphine.... but the fact is, IT IS...
LINK
After I explained this stuff to Alan C Walters (Clear #8) he stopped using meters during his sessions except to check for end phenomena (FNs). I have found by my own checks that the FN is an end phenomena of achieving a suggestible, hypnotic, trance state..
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And I suppose you also believe that $cientology RAISES IQ ??
How THAT trick is done:
Of course you will do better on ANY "test" you take a 2nd, 3rd and 4th time....
(For those that don't know they give you the same IQ test AGAIN!)
Da-boom!