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A DECLARE..SHATTERED CHILDREN..DISCONNECTION

I am so sorry Alien

The perpetual crimes of the CoS.

First they Libel you, (declare you with intend to harm your reputation) and they know they are, otherwise you would be getting a copy of the declare. Sure they are concerned about PR if it leaked to the Media but they are also breaking the law.

The declare itself I am sure is against worldwide rights of freedom of communication. (restricting your communication to ONLY the IJC through the continental scientology justice :puke2: chief.

And then the slander again to harm your repute another crime.

Scientology cult working it's evil practices. To whit: destroying loving relationships and families.

I hope your daughter and soon focus on love and leave behind the cult to return to your arms.
 
Thank you for sharing your painful story.

You are right: THIS IS WHY!

May you remain strong, and your daughter wake up very soon.

My love, our love, you now have many friends who care.:rose::bighug:

Tory/Magoo
 
Oh hell!

I'm sharing your op too - Let's hope that doing so will help towards a resolve on this, sooner rather than later, for you and for so many others suffering the same shit.

I wish that we could just move some mountains for ya overnight on this one, A - I'm so sorry that we can't.

Hang in there, matey. Faith and love to ya.
 
IA my heart goes out to you and to your kids who have been forced down this path by a policy enforced by this church ... no matter how then church position it... it is what it is... total evil and a gross form of trying to control you through using your kids as a weapon... that is just so despicable...

I'm not too sure what the future will bring in relation to you being reunited. Your children are over there so far away... but are still minors and within the law you have rights as a parent... perhaps getting this checked out may be an option.

My thoughts are with you through this terrible terrible time.

Liz
 
What a heartbreaking story!
I pray that this situation resolves without further harm to the innocent victims, your children.
You're right, Illegal Alien, this is EXACTLY why the CofS' practices must be thoroughly exposed to the light of day.
 
I am so sorry that you have to experience this pain. I will be in prayer that you and kids will be back together again.:bigcry:



Many months ago when I got out of Scientology I sent an e-mail to my daughter roughly saying the following:

I told her that I am no longer in Scientology and that the reasons for that are my own (her mother is in a very strong Scientology family). I warned her and said that one day Scientology would ask her to choose between me and Scientology.

I said the decision is yours and whatever decision you make will not change how I feel about you, I will always be your Dad and love you more than anything in this world and am always here for you.

Well, I just got off the phone with my 13 year old daughter who was in tears as Scientology was forcing her to never speak to me again due to the fact that I have been out spoken about my negative experiences in Scientology.

This is what happened.

We have been planning a trip for my two kids from my previous marriage to come out to Australia for a visit. I have sent the air ticket money and visa documents and they were supposed to arrive in early July. They have been excited about seeing Australia and we have spoken about all the things we are going to do.

A few days ago I got an e-mail from my daughter saying she needs to speak to me urgently, so I called and was met with one of the most - in fact the most - difficult things I have been through in my life.

She sounded really down on the phone and I will try to cover as accurately as I can what transpired.

She said she has heard that I am attacking Scientology and she asked if that was true. I asked her who had told her and she said her mother, she said I had been declared a suppressive person by the Church. I told her that I am out spoken about my experiences in Scientology and it’s all based on my experiences and that I am telling the truth. She responded by saying that I am attacking Scientology and that she cannot further her studies in Scientology if I continue to speak out and would be forced to sever all contact with me as per Scientology policy.

I asked my daughter to put her Mom on the phone.

My ex-wife said that two weeks while they were at Scientology in Clearwater, Florida, she was shown my Suppressive Person Declare. This Suppressive person Declare in Scientology terms basically means that Scientology labels you in writing that you are the lowest of the low, a criminal and against the wellbeing of all around you, and they show this to people who know you so that they disconnect from you. The result is nobody and I mean nobody who is in Scientology is allowed to have contact with you at all.

I told her that I have not seen such a declare on me and my ex insisted she was shown this document. I said “well then why have I not seen it?”.

She told me it was not being given to me for media reasons.

I got straight to the point with my ex asking her what that meant for the trip that was being planned. She said she is not sending my kids over anymore as she does not trust me due to me being declared a Suppressive Person.

A heated conversation followed at which point I asked for my daughter to be put back on the phone.

My daughter is now in tears on the phone telling me that I should “Do it for her”

What she means is that I get back into good standing with Scientology. That “if I love her I would handle this with the Church”.

At this moment my heart is being ripped out of my chest.

She is insisting that if I do not she will have to “disconnect” from me otherwise she will not be able to continue in Scientology.

I reminded her about the warning I had sent her months ago.

I told her this is not me wanting to break our bond nor is it you, take a look what your heart says, this is somebody else - the Church - saying we cannot be together. I am not forcing this situation on you and vice versa, Scientology is forcing this on us.

I told her everything that I have spoken out about is from my experience, they are things within the Church that need to change. I told her I do not expect her to understand yet and for that will not get into all the reasons.

I used an example saying: If you are at school and you see a teacher abusing a child and nothing gets done about it and you go to the principal and tell him and he denies it and then the abuse continues. So you then go to the School inspectors to report what you have witnessed and as a result you get expelled from the school as an out of control student.

This is what is happening, I told her I cannot sit and watch Scientology spokes people talk on the TV and know they are lying and do nothing about it.

With tears on her side of the phone and me fighting back my tears she insisted I return and I replied I will not return to Scientology however I respect your decision to continue studying scientology and will not get in the way of that and never have.

I have never told her anything bad about Scientology only that I was out.

I did this specifically as I knew Scientology would pull out their heavy hand and rip another family to pieces.

Well boy was I wrong. They still went ahead, getting a 13 year old girl overwhelmed by tears to call her father and say she will not speak to him again until he is in good standing with Scientology. It’s beyond reason that this could even be asked of anyone let alone a 13 year old girl.

Now my 10 year old son does not get a say in this either. He becomes a victim and maybe not fully capable of understanding what is happening but regardless of how he feels he is forced to lose his father and is helpless to the heavy hand of Scientology.

This conversation went back and forth over an hour and it ended with my daughter well and truly in tears telling me not to contact her until I was in good standing with Scientology.

My heart was literally lying on the floor, shattered, I was deflated and slumped down on the couch.

Do you want to know why we protest, do you want to know why people speak out and risk so much to get the truth of Scientology out there?

Well this story is why we protest, we protest because a “Religious” group has policies and uses them to rip thousands of families in two all in the name of “Religious Freedom”.

You show me another group in this world that forces people to break up the most precious and basic unity there is in this world, the family.

We protest because of the ABUSE and we will not rest until it ends……
 
Hi Illegal Alien,

I am as furious as is everyone else who has posted on this thread. Now, here’s what I suggest we do.

ESMB has been very successful in bringing about the Senate Committee Inquiry into the tax position of charities, we have also been able to get police investigations under way into the criminal behaviour of the CofS, and our media is red hot. ESMB is an international team and we are quite able to extend our skills to a South African operation. Particularly as it is likely that South Africa could become one of the last remaining outposts of the CofS, and it will become our responsibility to address it. Why not NOW!

We have the skills. So let’s get it rolling now. We can send emails to all parliamentarians, in fact inundated them! We can send emails to the various government agencies, and to media outlets. Let’s get as much information as possible, on their databases. OSA Int is flat out handling the massive “hill ten”, we have created. So it is, without doubt, a perfect time to get started. Let’s give them another “hill ten”

Illegal Alien might give us a rundown on any specific ways in which the SA government differs from Australia’s.

Are you all with me on this!

Regards, David.
 
This is horrible

This is horrible.

That being said why aren't you suing for slander and liable?

Is it money and time ( I do certainly understand that it may be difficult).

Is there any other reason besides that?

And don't you have parental visiting rights that say you have visitation?

Why don't you just use those rights and take your kids for what ever visitation you have then force them to listen and read the internet and web sites like this. This is WAR. What do you have to lose?

One other question: I know you told your kids that you would not stop them from studing Scientology if they want. Why is that? Would you let them join the Moonies or the Branch dividians or the KKK if they wanted?

They are 10 and 13 you have every right to tell them you don't want them near this dangerous group of brain washers.

Can Scientology even service them if you say NO.

I know that in medicine BOTH PARENTS HAVE TO CONSENT to give medical treatment to a child. If one says NO then they can't do anything.

Maybe it is the same with religions. I'm not sure but I would find out.

In any case i am sorry about your loss but i am really curious as to the questions I asked.
 
This is horrible.

That being said why aren't you suing for slander and liable?

Is it money and time ( I do certainly understand that it may be difficult).

Is there any other reason besides that?

And don't you have parental visiting rights that say you have visitation?

Why don't you just use those rights and take your kids for what ever visitation you have then force them to listen and read the internet and web sites like this. This is WAR. What do you have to lose?

One other question: I know you told your kids that you would not stop them from studing Scientology if they want. Why is that? Would you let them join the Moonies or the Branch dividians or the KKK if they wanted?

They are 10 and 13 you have every right to tell them you don't want them near this dangerous group of brain washers.

Can Scientology even service them if you say NO.

I know that in medicine BOTH PARENTS HAVE TO CONSENT to give medical treatment to a child. If one says NO then they can't do anything.

Maybe it is the same with religions. I'm not sure but I would find out.

In any case i am sorry about your loss but i am really curious as to the questions I asked.
I agree - better to fight for the rights that they think they can take from you. There's nothing to lose and a lot to gain. Good luck.
 
There aren't enough words for me to explain how much I wish this hadn't happened to you.

Can you make this a big medi a thing so that the Church WANTS you to see your children so that they don't get bad PR?
 
Here is the link to the members of the NCOP (National Council of Provinces -South Africa no longer has a Senate - it was replaced by the NCOP which has similar powers): http://www.parliament.gov.za/live/content.php?Category_ID=99

and here is the link to the members of the National Assembly: http://www.parliament.gov.za/live/content.php?Category_ID=98

Hi Illegal Alien,

I am as furious as is everyone else who has posted on this thread. Now, here’s what I suggest we do.

ESMB has been very successful in bringing about the Senate Committee Inquiry into the tax position of charities, we have also been able to get police investigations under way into the criminal behaviour of the CofS, and our media is red hot. ESMB is an international team and we are quite able to extend our skills to a South African operation. Particularly as it is likely that South Africa could become one of the last remaining outposts of the CofS, and it will become our responsibility to address it. Why not NOW!

We have the skills. So let’s get it rolling now. We can send emails to all parliamentarians, in fact inundated them! We can send emails to the various government agencies, and to media outlets. Let’s get as much information as possible, on their databases. OSA Int is flat out handling the massive “hill ten”, we have created. So it is, without doubt, a perfect time to get started. Let’s give them another “hill ten”

Illegal Alien might give us a rundown on any specific ways in which the SA government differs from Australia’s.

Are you all with me on this!

Regards, David.
 
If I were in your position I would do a Google search for newspapers all over the world where there is a Scientology Org and copy and paste your storey on the letters to the editor page.

You need to fight back
 
Scientology Bastards

I am so sorry this has happened to you. You do have legal rights in this matter. The mother CANNOT disallow visitation rights granted in the divorce settlement. The child has no say in the matter unless you pose a danger to the child. Religion or no religion. Do not accept this laying down. It is time to fight for your parental rights.

Scio creates horror stories like this on a daily basis.

They lie, lie, lie about disconnection.
 
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