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Back in wonderland - Catarina Pamnell says hi

Welcome Catrina, great to have you here.
I will follow your link and read your story.

I am curious, do you hear people around you talking about scientology and what do they have to say in Sweden?
 
Welcome Catarina!

Ironically, the person most responsible for me being out is a never-in from Stockholm. She also is good friends with someone in Stockholm who is out. Would be fun if it were you. 6 degrees of separation, and all that.
Welcome here! :welcome2:
 
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Just in case there is anyone around from the late 1990's and a.r.s., here's a big hello!

Ex Class V-org in Sweden. I was active in the early 1980's, but a hangaround for much longer, I had more debts than money plus two young children. Still caught in the illusion, I paid towards the freeloader bill. Then the internet came along in 1995...

Important point: I was a total and utter nobody then. I am a total and utter nobody now. Really.

I think nothing cut through the knot of scientology as sharply for me as this point. The CoS had all these clears and ohteas, Class XII auditors and high ranking ethics staff and deadly seriuos people in uniform, all who had studied Source for not days or weeks, but for months and years and years. If the tech works, they should have been able to silence me as easily as swatting a fly.

In 1997, I believe, I started posting to a.r.s. Eventually, I created a website (mostly in Swedish and now it's a museum since I havent touched it in a decade, lots of dead links I'm sure). Then media, national radio, television, newspapers (I think my favourite is being quoted in the two major medical journals re. CoS and psychs). Some picketing, including Flag. Some interviews by university students. Met some bad-ass SPs. Oh, I'm not claiming to have done more than anyone else, far from it - but like I said, I'm a nobody, how do they let a nobody get away with speaking badly about them in public when it ought to have been so very simple for them to "handle" me?

In the early 2000's I simply got bored with Scn-related matters. I had spent so much of my life in that bubble, I wanted to turn my attention to other things.

But recently I ran across links to places like this. And I just couldn't stop reading. So many people, places and times, I want to catch up with everything, which is of course silly.

Probably, I will mostly be lurking here. But in case I can't shut up at some point, you know who I am.

(My story about my time in Scn can be found online, as I understand it I can't post links in my first post)

Soderqvist1: Hej Catarina kommer du ihåg mig?
Det har hänt en del sen din hemsida vart inaktiv. Sara Northrups dotter Alexis Valerie Hubbard har blivit funnen!
Hon har en hemsida som finns i denna tråd, och hennes dotter med en liten flicka finns på Facebook!
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=194054&hilit=alexis

Om du är intresserad av Sverige så är nog Stefan Tunedals hemsida att rekommendera då han är en avhoppad OT8
men oberoende Scientolog som kritiserar kyrkan flitigt i olika artiklar. Hans son gick på studema skolan och vart diskriminerad
på grund utav att hans far hade brutit sig loss ur kyrkan, hans far anmälde saken till skolinspektionen!
http://www.kswsverige.org/

Alexis har en ny hemsida om än inte med lika många fotografier som den gamla hemsidan!
http://www.stillpoint-farm.com/about-us.html

Vänlig Hälsning

Peter Söderqvist
 
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Soderqvist1: Hej Catarina kommer du ihåg mig?
Det har hänt en del sen din hemsida vart inaktiv. Sara Northrups dotter Alexis Valerie Hubbard har blivit funnen!
Hon har en hemsida som finns i denna tråd, och hennes dotter med en liten flicka finns på Facebook!
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=194054&hilit=alexis
Om du är intresserad av Sverige så är nog Stefan Tunedals hemsida att rekommendera då han är en avhoppad OT8
men oberoende Scientolog som kritiserar kyrkan flitigt i olika artiklar. Hans son gick på studema skolan och vart diskriminerad
på grund utav att hans far hade brutit sig loss ur kyrkan, hans far anmälde saken till skolinspektionen!
http://www.kswsverige.org/

Alexis har en ny hemsida om än inte med lika många fotografier som den gamla hemsidan!
http://www.stillpoint-farm.com/about-us.html

Vänlig Hälsning

Peter Söderqvist

Google is my friend

Hi Catarina do you remember me?
A lot has happened since your web page became inactive. Sara Northrup's daughter Alexis Valerie Hubbard has been found!
She has a website that is in this thread, and her daughter with a little girl on Facebook!

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=194054&hilit=alexis

If you are interested in Sweden, it is enough to recommend Stefan Tunedals' website, since he is a defecting OT8
but independent Scientologist who criticizes the church extensively in various articles. His son went to the Studema school and was discriminated against (?) because his father had broken away from the church, his father reported the matter to the school inspectorate!
http://www.kswsverige.org/

Alexis has a new website, although not with as many photographs as the old website!

http://www.stillpoint-farm.com/about-us.html
 
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:cloud9: Thanks all for the amazing welcome!

A special thank you for the cat - I'm a CrazyCatLady 2.0 - I close my curtains, lock the door and watch cute cat videos on youtube.
 
Welcome Catarina :rose: So good of you to come and visit here, I see you've already had contact with someone you have touched in the past, that, to me, is so very cool! :dance: :clap: :cake:
I am finding this kind of odd that only yesterday (erm, maybe the day before, durr) I had posted something about people coming and going, taking breaks etc., it warms the heart and soul and I hope you hang around for a while. When I can get to it I will read through your old stuff (the English parts if any) as I am perpetually a curious sort :)

:cheers:

Ogs

(and oh, you were never 'nothing', especially being a mom, but it is most certainly one of the feelings that cult fosters by tearing people down and trying to re-build them in LRon's image.... hm, something like that.)

And oh, I share your fondness for cat vids/pics/feline-funnies :)
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I am curious, do you hear people around you talking about scientology and what do they have to say in Sweden?

I would say they have a pretty bad rep in Sweden, probably hastened by all the bad publicity they got back when the CoS tried to intimidate the Swedish parliament into removing the OT documents from public view. Of course, there are always people who don't know and don't care, but I think it's symptomatic that the Stockholm org doesn't anymore have a "Scientology" sign, they are tucked away in an office complex far out in the suburbs and call themself "Freedom Center". When I joined in 1982, they were in a central location and had about 100 staff. I believe they have interpreted that old goal of 4x expansion as 0.4x expansion.

In the past couple of years, I have seen one newspaper article about the one remaining Narconon, questioning why some people are sent there with public funding. Just mentioning "scientology" seems to be enough to cast doubt on them. Then the main public service tv channel has aired the two John Sweeney (BBC) critical documentaries, the Dane Robert Dam visited our most popular talk show.

If anything, I sometimes feel like I need to defend scientologists, stress that they are people, many times smart and talented people, that the situation is not black and white. If I'm going to hate all scientologists, I also have to hate all the ex'es and indies out there, which is just weird.
 
Welcome Catarina :rose: So good of you to come and visit here, I see you've already had contact with someone you have touched in the past, that, to me, is so very cool! :dance: :clap: :cake:
I am finding this kind of odd that only yesterday (erm, maybe the day before, durr) I had posted something about people coming and going, taking breaks etc., it warms the heart and soul and I hope you hang around for a while. When I can get to it I will read through your old stuff (the English parts if any) as I am perpetually a curious sort :)

:cheers:

Ogs

(and oh, you were never 'nothing', especially being a mom, but it is most certainly one of the feelings that cult fosters by tearing people down and trying to re-build them in LRon's image.... hm, something like that.)

And oh, I share your fondness for cat vids/pics/feline-funnies :)
funny-cat-30_1.jpg

Thank you Ogs! :coolwink:
It was really amazing to find good old names here. When communication reaches through the screen and into another person, and back. I hate to think of where I would be without the internet.

Cats, more cats!! :thumbsup:
 
Welcome Catarina!

Ironically, the person most responsible for me being out is a never-in from Stockholm. She also is good friends with someone in Stockholm who is out. Would be fun if it were you. 6 degrees of separation, and all that.
Welcome here! :welcome2:

Thank you for the welcome!

I haven't lived in Stockholm for many years, I went north, then west, then south. But I'm glad to hear that you had people looking out for you.
 
Soderqvist1: Hej Catarina kommer du ihåg mig?
Det har hänt en del sen din hemsida vart inaktiv. Sara Northrups dotter Alexis Valerie Hubbard har blivit funnen!
Hon har en hemsida som finns i denna tråd, och hennes dotter med en liten flicka finns på Facebook!
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=194054&hilit=alexis

Om du är intresserad av Sverige så är nog Stefan Tunedals hemsida att rekommendera då han är en avhoppad OT8
men oberoende Scientolog som kritiserar kyrkan flitigt i olika artiklar. Hans son gick på studema skolan och vart diskriminerad
på grund utav att hans far hade brutit sig loss ur kyrkan, hans far anmälde saken till skolinspektionen!
http://www.kswsverige.org/

Alexis har en ny hemsida om än inte med lika många fotografier som den gamla hemsidan!
http://www.stillpoint-farm.com/about-us.html

Vänlig Hälsning

Peter Söderqvist

Hi Peter!

I'll use English, so people don't have to Google translate.
Of course I remember your name! I'm going to have a look at your link re. Alexis, it sounds interesting.

The Stefan Tunedal page I have already visited and read most of his articles.

I hope you are well!
 
Welcome Catarina! I am so happy you found this blog. I was in the cult myself from 1970 until 2009. I should have looked up Scientology on the internet sooner but I waited until 2009. Once I started reading I went from Scientologist to independent Scientologist to Ex Scientologist very quickly. Now I do all I can to inform others about the cult and prevent them from ever joining this group. I read your original post here and only wish I had read it a long time ago.
 
Hey Catarina,

I've only been here sporadically recently and missed your thread back in March, so a belated welcome for you.

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