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Big Blue & bright colors from the 70s

In present time

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I checked out your picture. Blue is clearly integral to the long standing general SO color theme as evidenced by uniforms and decor, etc. However, just to be fair, if you pay attention to a lot of back lighting for TV newsrooms and sophisticated productions like Miami CSI you will see a similar usage of blue, especially with complimentary orange, etc. It really works well on-screen and in later years LRH was very much into that kind of thing. So this all does seem to support a possible bias towards the approval of blue by LRH even if he initially didn't specifically order that blue be used.

http://priceonomics.com/why-every-movie-looks-sort-of-orange-and-blue/
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but in the past 20-or-so years there’s been a real catchy trend in major Hollywood movies to constrain the palette to orange and blue. The color scheme, also known as “orange and teal” or “amber and teal” is the scourge of film critics – one of whom calls this era of cinema a “dark age.”


thats our Ron, ahead of his time in heralding in a new dark age.
 

In present time

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Coincidentally, Michael Tilse posted this on Tony O's blog a couple of days ago.

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That is so interesting. I only knew Patti Lamar because she was the other trade off point for the little cadet S.O. member I found myself caring for after she started refusing to keep to her appointed tasks at the complex. Her father was S.O., and at 12 she just sort of became "un handled".

One of HER friends of the same age range swore to God that when they first bought the building that they had left a dead body down in the morgue, and that was yet another reason for the extremely bright colour choices. It was there applied lovingly to bring us all uptone.

It was very creepy in those lower floors.
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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Coincidentally, Michael Tilse posted this on Tony O's blog a couple of days ago.

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Thank you for finding Michael's concise post Cakemaker. We now seem to be seeing the description of a Complex Color Origin Theory that is more consistent with what we know of the SO, and the list of people most likely to be directly responsible for the actual color selection is down to the three members of a mission which submitted proposals to LRH. This begs the question: Did the mission do what LRH wanted or did they somehow get it all wrong?

Remember, this was not a typical back office administrative mission where its results can go unnoticed, undefined and forgotten. For 3-4 years these bright colors were actively being applied at great expense and labor, not on just a few offices or even one org, but on the entirety of: LAO, ASHO, AOLA, Bridge, CMO, FOLO, Lebanon Hall Auditorium, the staff cafeteria and many back offices and dorm areas, culminating in the painting of the entire Complex exterior with light blue.

So where does the theory start that this was essentially all due to some ex-staffer's drug induced haze? Can we discard that as unfounded internet gossip or were there actual briefings to staff or something in writing to that effect?
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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Yup, LRH showed up at least once. ASHO was done and AO was being renovated. He pitched a fit in the usual manner. The renovation was going too slowly. Capt. Bill was brought in and EPFers were worked until they dropped from lack of sleep.

Even if LRH didn't inspect the Complex, Captain Bill would have been directly involved with the implementation of the bright colors and graphics and if he considered there was a serious problem with it then he probably would have taken action to prevent it from being continued.
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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http://priceonomics.com/why-every-movie-looks-sort-of-orange-and-blue/
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but in the past 20-or-so years there’s been a real catchy trend in major Hollywood movies to constrain the palette to orange and blue. The color scheme, also known as “orange and teal” or “amber and teal” is the scourge of film critics – one of whom calls this era of cinema a “dark age.”


thats our Ron, ahead of his time in heralding in a new dark age.

We will have to give that credit to King Tut. Lapis Lazuli and gold have been an extremely attractive combination since the first sunset. But I agree, it has been overdone to a fault on screen and will date this period.
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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That is so interesting. I only knew Patti Lamar because she was the other trade off point for the little cadet S.O. member I found myself caring for after she started refusing to keep to her appointed tasks at the complex. Her father was S.O., and at 12 she just sort of became "un handled".

One of HER friends of the same age range swore to God that when they first bought the building that they had left a dead body down in the morgue, and that was yet another reason for the extremely bright colour choices. It was there applied lovingly to bring us all uptone.

It was very creepy in those lower floors.


As for the morgue story. As much as I would love to digress into a thread for Complex Renovations Urban Legends, that should be placed under another thread. I am not being facetious. I know there really are some stories that would be a lot of fun to flesh out, as it were.

It would make sense that the bright colors were originally intended to be uptone but the final outcome seems to be in contention.
 
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TheOriginalBigBlue

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Fascinating thread, as I'm interested in colors and pigments, and especially in blue pigments and dyes - and their history.
Long story short, human beings were obsessed with acquiring blue paint and fabric dye during the whole history. Blue still is the favorite color of around 40% of all people, around the world.

In my opinion, the color of this building was intended to match or symbolize "sky blue".
This would also match the general Co$ "sky blue / laser blue" promotion color, but I don't know whether that color scheme was implemented before or after the paint for this building was chosen. Or probably HelluvaHoax is right, and for Hubs it was merely a reference to the blue of the ocean (and the citie's name).

In any case, look at a front shot of the building, with its dominant "wings", and it almost seems to merge with the blue sky (given that the sky is not clouded, or darkening). It is an eerie feeling. I suppose this was intentional, even if Hubs hasn't imagined (or experienced) standing in front of the wings and looking up. Especially for a believer, it makes the building appear more powerful, more meaningful. It is a sinister effect.

Look at the often used front shot provided to news outlets for articles about "Going Clear". As the color hues ("H" of "HSL") of building and sky match each other so exactly in that shot, and more than in any other photo I could find, I suppose it was shooped. Otherwise this would be a great coincidence, not only depending on the time of day and the weather but also on the specifics of the camera used, etc. This would be another clever move of the film makers, as it makes the building appear even more eerie and "dominant" (amplifying just what the original intention of Hubbard probably was with that color choice).


I don't know about other countries, but here pastel blue - "sky blue" or "baby blue" - is, together with other pastel colors, a relatively normal color to paint one's house. (Although the city has to be asked for approval to "fit the style of the street/city" ("Ortsbild"), so you can't paint your house, small or large, just in any crazy color.)
Although in the case of the "Big Blue", the blue seems to be darker than usually when a building is painted in any version of what is commonly known as a happy "sky blue" or "baby blue".

And to be honest, I'd paint a house of mine just that color, or even darker (if the city lets me). :blush: If they would let me, I'd probably smear the walls with low-binder Ultramarine paint until they glow, even if it doesn't keep long, hehe. It's not long ago that I found out the trick to apply Ultramarine that way (even without the help of Mr. I'm-A-Smartass Klein), and I'm definitely going to do that in my next apartment to parts of the walls! :biggrin:


After studying all these shots of the "Big Blue", I'm still insecure which pigment was used in that case because the differences between cameras and screens and the possibility of some postprocessing (contrast adaption etc) make it impossible to be certain of what it really looks, whereas, if looking at a paint(ing) "live", I'm often able to determine the pigment(s). However, on these shots sometimes the paint looks violet (blue that tends towards red), sometimes cyan/turquoise (blue that tends towards green). Could people who have seen the building, help me here?

Any chance to find out via old documents whether the pigment here is Phtalocyanide, Prussian blue, Ultramarine, or even Cobalt blue? Or a mixture of these?


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You make several excellent points. Blue has been an extremely important factor in many cultures. Books could be written just on that alone.

Sinister? That seems strong to me based just on the color. But when you combine the outstretched wings of the Main Building with the "In your face" sign incongruously stuck on an old historical building with a dramatically conflicting design motif, and then color this with all the controversy - yes, I can see where one might arrive at "sinister".

But the other point about lighting is so important, especially when using pictures to base an opinion. The slightest change in lighting can completely alter a color from moment to moment, and this isn't even getting into all the variable of film or digital media.

Which brings me to a question: Has all or part of the complex exterior been repainted? If it has then we are discussing two very different issues - the design and approval process of the original light blue vs a later coating.
 

Operating DB

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Green seems quite appropriate!

Reminds me of something. . .

"We're off to see the Wizard

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"The wonderful Wizard of Cauz"

Cool! Maybe ILove2Lurk could photo shop Big Blue, now Big Green, in place of the Oz castle. Then superimpose relevant cult figures heads on the bodies of the Lion, Dorothy, Tin Man and Scarecrow. For starters Jenny Linson could be Dorothy. Miscavige could be Toto in a sailor uniform.
 

Dulloldfart

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That's about the sky-blue colour of the Main Building and Lebanon Hall when I was there, 1986-1996. The current darker blue is much more attractive, in my opinion. The original was a real eyesore. Around 1980 someone obviously back from LA repainted the CO's office in the turret at Saint Hill the same colour: it was ghastly, far too cold a colour for chilly England. Most of the room colours in the castle were a warm cream or off-white.

Sorry the colour patch is so large. I don't have image-editing software on this computer.

Paul
 

Leland

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This has become a rather common pic of the Cult....for all kinds of articles these days...

Many many publications.....have used this photo.

I just wanted to point out that as far as I know.....from 1983 until after the year 2000.....this "entrance" to that building was never in use.

There was no access to that building from that entrance.

Also......isn't the majority of that building a dormitory? Isn't that where SO slept....(were berthed)?

I know at the top....there was some special "Artists" office for the renovations....But wasn't the rest just group dorm rooms...?

Running down the center of that stairway....coming from the top....down to street level ....there is a tiered fountain. I never saw any water in that fountain....I never saw it working.

Anyone know why that door way was not used or why that fountain was never restored?
 
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Leland

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That's about the sky-blue colour of the Main Building and Lebanon Hall when I was there, 1986-1996. The current darker blue is much more attractive, in my opinion. The original was a real eyesore. Around 1980 someone obviously back from LA repainted the CO's office in the turret at Saint Hill the same colour: it was ghastly, far too cold a colour for chilly England. Most of the room colours in the castle were a warm cream or off-white.

Sorry the colour patch is so large. I don't have image-editing software on this computer.

Paul

I was in LA during the "color change"

It was explained to the Cult Public....that the new color was actually a stain and concrete sealant....not a paint.

Apparently the concrete walls of the building were eroding.

It was a big project to sandblast the concrete walls and apply this sealant/stain...to protect the structures...
 

Dulloldfart

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I just wanted to point out that as far as I know.....from 1983 until after the year 2000.....this "entrance" to that building was never in use.

There was no access to that building from that entrance.

Also......isn't the majority of that building a dormitory? Isn't that where SO slept....(were berthed)?

The president's (Heber's) office was just inside that front door on the left. I saw the front door open a couple of times, but yes, it wasn't used for general access.

The floors #4 and up were used for berthing. I worked on #3 for a few years, 1986-8.

No idea about the fountain.

Paul
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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That's about the sky-blue colour of the Main Building and Lebanon Hall when I was there, 1986-1996. The current darker blue is much more attractive, in my opinion. The original was a real eyesore. Around 1980 someone obviously back from LA repainted the CO's office in the turret at Saint Hill the same colour: it was ghastly, far too cold a colour for chilly England. Most of the room colours in the castle were a warm cream or off-white.

Sorry the colour patch is so large. I don't have image-editing software on this computer.

Paul

Quite alright. Apparently we got into trouble using too small of a sample the first time around. This seems very close to the first generation color.
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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I was in LA during the "color change"

It was explained to the Cult Public....that the new color was actually a stain and concrete sealant....not a paint.

Apparently the concrete walls of the building were eroding.

It was a big project to sandblast the concrete walls and apply this sealant/stain...to protect the structures...

Are you referring to the first coat circa 81? Was there some kind of briefing to the Scientology public about the preparation and type of paint? I think that is interesting. One would expect a briefing about the color but sand blasting, and type of coating - that is very specific.
 

Lulu Belle

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There is a story going around to the effect that someone who is or was senior management staff said, the original light blue for the exterior of the Cedars Complex and/or those bright primary colors and super-graphics for the inside of the PAC Orgs circa 1977 - 1982 were a big mistake and the result of a single "druggie ex-staffer".

Is this just a Scientology urban legend? What is the source of this story?


This was the LRH excuse for a lot of his fucked up, bad decisions.

One of the results of this was the LRH FO that people who had taken LSD couldn't join the Sea Org.
 
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