Big Blue & bright colors from the 70s
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TheOriginalBigBlue
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Yeh, I agree, not bright white. Dulux Grand Piano Quarter would be gorgeous.
The half Piano looks fantastic in any room, too. It's brighter than it seems (this sample is darker than the actual paint), but not the knock your eyes out white, either.
Definitely in the ballpark! Wouldn't it be fun to do up large sample areas on the Complex and conduct sensible realistic surveys for a whole new color scheme? Maybe something a little different on each building. I can even imagine the whole Los Angeles community might pay for it just so they wouldn't have to look at all that blue.
MissWog
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Here is a link to articles going back 8yrs.. http://la.curbed.com/tags/scientology
start on page 2 (it's only 2 pages) at the bottom and read forward.. They show all the rehab & quote Tommy Davis
start on page 2 (it's only 2 pages) at the bottom and read forward.. They show all the rehab & quote Tommy Davis
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TheOriginalBigBlue
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Well, you haven't seen me deal with a troll
But, thank you
This is new for me so had to look up "Troll".
I did come here to try and get some serious answers to a complicated subject and frankly I am put off by some of the nonsense. If I wanted to discourage Ex Scientologists from participating in this forum I would send in an army of ranting trolls and flamers under the guise of providing moral support. Pretty sure Sun Tzu would agree.
JustSheila
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Yes, L Ron ordered the sign be visible from the Freeway.
The cross came much later. Heber Jentsch was involved with that project, so Karen may know more.
Intentionally Blank
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That's just lovely! Especially the angle of the top shot.
HelluvaHoax!
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Definitely in the ballpark! Wouldn't it be fun to do up large sample areas on the Complex and conduct sensible realistic surveys for a whole new color scheme? Maybe something a little different on each building. I can even imagine the whole Los Angeles community might pay for it just so they wouldn't have to look at all that blue.
Repainting Big Blue?
In that case. . .
I vote for Goldenrod.
MissWog
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I was making a joke about how bitchy I get with trolls
i think you are being taken very seriously!
ive enjoyed this thread and searching about the building
Rmack
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Here's something for you guys to think about;
I vaguely remember the 'Child Care Org' that was -I think- across the side street from the AO (advanced org) by Big Blue.
This was terrible! They had a mirror operation going on in the old kitchen of the old hotel that they turned into the Wilcox Building married berthing. They had kids in these dumps! This was the cults handling of the children that resulted from Sea Org marriages. Cock roaches everywhere, dirty dishes, etc etc, it was pretty bad.
I remember being horrified when I walked through just out of curiosity to check them out. I'm not going to even try to describe these places any further. Just realize that none of the stories I've read exaggerate this scene. In fact, it downplays the horror, in my opinion.
They couldn't be bothered with these 'thetans' that were so downstat and not producing, so the parents had to spend all their time at their posts, rather than raising their children.
IF they were upstat, they got to spend, maybe, an hour a day with their kids. This got reduced later.
This, more than anything else, compels me to help destroy these sons of bitches.
I vaguely remember the 'Child Care Org' that was -I think- across the side street from the AO (advanced org) by Big Blue.
This was terrible! They had a mirror operation going on in the old kitchen of the old hotel that they turned into the Wilcox Building married berthing. They had kids in these dumps! This was the cults handling of the children that resulted from Sea Org marriages. Cock roaches everywhere, dirty dishes, etc etc, it was pretty bad.
I remember being horrified when I walked through just out of curiosity to check them out. I'm not going to even try to describe these places any further. Just realize that none of the stories I've read exaggerate this scene. In fact, it downplays the horror, in my opinion.
They couldn't be bothered with these 'thetans' that were so downstat and not producing, so the parents had to spend all their time at their posts, rather than raising their children.
IF they were upstat, they got to spend, maybe, an hour a day with their kids. This got reduced later.
This, more than anything else, compels me to help destroy these sons of bitches.
JustSheila
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Yeh, something warm. It is, after all, a tropical climate.
Yes, I remember the dark blue stripe. I vaguely remember when there were men doing graphics and the dark blue stripe was the only outer one. It was okay and it made the blue look more acceptable but apparently L Ron didn't like it, so when they did the repaint, it was painted over.
There were graphics down the long hallway between ASHO and LA org (inside). Hard to remember, but the doors used to be open then. I think yellow and green graphics.
I vaguely remember the main building graphics. AOLA also had graphics done later. All were repainted. As far as I remember, graphics were only on the first floors.
I'm not sure I remember the outside of the building correctly, sorry.
TheOriginalBigBlue
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Yes, L Ron ordered the sign be visible from the Freeway.
The cross came much later. Heber Jentsch was involved with that project, so Karen may know more.
They replaced the original Main Building sign which was kind of amateurish and constructed a fake facade as a back drop for the new sign which is more professional. They replaced those stately high windows on the 8th floor with regular windows. I am seeing pictures that show the new sign is now down. I saw a another picture where the outer wall of the cupola facing Fountain Ave. was removed and you could see all the interior framing. I remember a posting saying they were performing earthquake repairs or retrofits and they tarped it because they ran out of funds or something. The original sign was very amateurish compared to the new sign but it would be interesting to see an updated public opinion survey about the whole idea of having a lit sign of that size on that historic building which can be seen all the way from the freeway. We have had decades to adopt ordinances and develop public opinion that opposes excessive ambient light, bill boards and overbearing signage.
The whole sign thing could actually be working completely against any positive PR effect.
JustSheila
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It had central AC, as you said. I worked in the vents with other crews cleaning them. The air handlers were in a small room at the top of the main building (Catalina side) but weren't maintained and were very old. The central heating and AC were never used and got dirty again so at this point those vents are just rat runways. They are metal, but at their age, would have plenty of rusted out areas. There was already some rust in '77.
AOLA had a courtyard with a building in the center. That building and basement had been used for dog experiments.
I was told the tunnel to/from the AOLA building and the building itself were the last additions to the hospital. There were originally lockers down there. (I saw them)
MB second and third floors had all the heavy duty hospital equipment in the rooms, like heart monitors and such. They were left there and had to be taken out.
Below the MB was the morgue, cremation and sump room. Catalina Street side.
That's all I remember for now. This is hurting my brain! lol
AOLA had a courtyard with a building in the center. That building and basement had been used for dog experiments.
I was told the tunnel to/from the AOLA building and the building itself were the last additions to the hospital. There were originally lockers down there. (I saw them)
MB second and third floors had all the heavy duty hospital equipment in the rooms, like heart monitors and such. They were left there and had to be taken out.
Below the MB was the morgue, cremation and sump room. Catalina Street side.
That's all I remember for now. This is hurting my brain! lol
Elronius of Marcabia
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THE SIGN AND THE RIDICULOSULY LOUD PAINT IS LIKE TYPING IN ALL CAPS.
It's rude and it's like shouting at someone, it's crass and it's tasteless
like Hoobard was himself.
It's rude and it's like shouting at someone, it's crass and it's tasteless
like Hoobard was himself.
MissWog
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http://la.curbed.com/tags/scientology
read through those articles.. Curbed LA was wondering if the residents would object to the LED sign being so bright
TheOriginalBigBlue
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Thank you again MissWog!
This article is dated June of 2009, after the tower story so the dates of the pictures is not in sequence. Is it just me or is that "L" leaning to the left?
http://la.curbed.com/archives/2009/07/_san_diegobased_signtech_electrical.php
The article mentions that people may be blacking out their windows just to keep the light from the sign out but it does accentuate the effect. BZZZZZZZ
http://la.curbed.com/archives/2009/...ng_ufos_in_the_miracle_mile.php#scientology-2
This is from 2009. The sign is still down and the tower is tarped?
So they stripped the entire tower. The elevator control room is up there so maybe the earthquake caused enough damage to condemn the elevators and the scope of work is much more extensive down though all floors. Upon inspection, the city may have discovered that there was damage from previous earthquakes also. Then there is the distinct possibility that the wind sheer and load stress from decades of having the big sign without adequate reinforcement caused damage and it all has to be re-engineered before the sign can go back. So many possibilities.
JustSheila
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The blg was not built for earthquakes.
The blgs with lower floors are probably pretty much okay, but even when the complex was first purchased, the stairwells weren't level and some areas showed cracks in concrete.
They were repaired for aesthetics only so would still have flaws.
The building is most likely not level anymore. I would not trust it. Concrete cracks and crumbles and the salt air is ferocious on metal structures, too. I'd say it has a life of maybe 30 years before major structural damage, even less if there are more earthquakes.
The blgs with lower floors are probably pretty much okay, but even when the complex was first purchased, the stairwells weren't level and some areas showed cracks in concrete.
They were repaired for aesthetics only so would still have flaws.
The building is most likely not level anymore. I would not trust it. Concrete cracks and crumbles and the salt air is ferocious on metal structures, too. I'd say it has a life of maybe 30 years before major structural damage, even less if there are more earthquakes.
TheOriginalBigBlue
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I was making a joke about how bitchy I get with trolls
i think you are being taken very seriously!
ive enjoyed this thread and searching about the building
Thank you. I'm still trying to get a feel for this venue and I am intrigued with your interest in the discussion given your unique perspective. We are dialing down into some fairly specialized subject matter after all.
TheOriginalBigBlue
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I do think an honest public survey would distill down to essentially what you are saying. All other controversies aside, it is inconsiderate.