Black Scientology

[The Oracle]

T.O., if you had not been so aware, what damage could this person have done to you? Or to someone else?

I think we are plagued to some extent by this anyway.

It doesn't matter if you cannot see it. It is the invisable influence.

You see your kid cry and you plumet down the tone scale.

A friend lies to you and you plumet down the tone scale.

You open a letter from the IRS and you plumet down the tone scale.

You look from your car window to another driver who looks back at you with a smile and you shoot up the tone scale.

You see your kids running on the beach wild with excitment and you shoot up the tone scale.

You meet toxic people in bodies and out of bodies.

A person or event can effect your mood.

You stop noticing the ups and downs and take it in stride.

You begin to think it is a way of life.

But it is not natural for a thetan to go down. They are quite irrepressable and continue to rise up unless held down.

A thetan has to be PUSHED down.

I just felt the push, that's all.

T.O.

 

[The Oracle]

Why and how would the e-meter be used in a witchcraft practice?

The term witchcraft has been used to cover everything from healing with herbs and minerals to voo doo.

The emeter is only a tool to measure supernatural phenomina.

You can locate supernatural phenonmena with a meter and use it as a guide to better understand or communicate with others, it's only a measuring device the same as a metal detector.


T.O.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Thank you for explaining. I've had some experience with dowsing tools, so perhaps this is like a digital dowser.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

I think we are plaugued to some extent by this anyway.

It doesn't matter if you cannot see it. It is the invisable influence.

You see your kid cry and you plumet down the tone scale.

A friend lies to you and you plumet down the tone scale.

You open a letter from the IRS and you plumet down the tone scale.

You look from your car window to another driver who looks back at you with a smile and you shoot up the tone scale.

You see your kids running on the beach wild with excitment and you shoot up the tone scale.

You meet toxic people in bodies and out of bodies.

A person or event can effect your mood.

You stop noticing the ups and downs and take it in stride.

You begin to think it is a way of life.

But it is not natural for a thetan to go down. They are quite irrepressable and continue to rise up unless held down.

A thetan has to PUSHED down.

I just felt the push, that's all.

T.O.

Hmmm, interesting, I've been looking at some books re Spiritual Releasement Therapy, some by Michael Newton, some by Baldwin.

 

[The Oracle]

Hmmm, interesting, I've been looking at some books re Spiritual Releasement Therapy, some by Michael Newton, some by Baldwin.

If nothing else you can survey your area for a Catholic priest that is practiced at exorsism.

They are becoming more and more overt about it now. One fellow even has a television show in the U.S. where he hits on the audience.

T.O.

 

[Free Will]

What a story, what a thread!

WOW!

By the way, I was hit with some black scientology yesterday.

Very heavy for a few hours around here until I realized what it was. Even my dogs began to howl.

I located the source and it was a woman with dark hair, very well groomed, sitting in front of an emeter.

It could not have been a staff member. She looked way too well slept and well groomed.

I tried to deflect what she was sending out back on her but I couldn't, she had the most perfect tr's .

So I jumped into her body.

That put her tr's out somewhat.

Then I turned so I was in her body but looking out from the back of her head and facing the world from the backside of her body.

I tried to move forward from the back of her body.

This started to throw her off finally. She began to feel dizzy and naucious.

Sensing her connection with black magick I summoned everything connected to black magic up in to the body also.

All sorts of things arrived and I invited them to connect with the black magic woman.

This finally got her to stop because she began to struggle to keep her tr's in.

Once I opened her door to invite other black magick particles in, the space got really murky and even I had some difficulty blowing out of it.

But once I did the black magic moved right off me.

T.O.

 

[Zinjifar]

Sticky postulates

Zinj

 

[Good twin]

A few years ago, I went to Salem Massachusetts. It's a lovely city with great museums and fantastic restaurants and shops. There are still lots of witches there and I have to say it was the first time I felt totally safe in a long time. It's hard to explain. At the time I felt like "this town paid it's dues regarding religious/spiritual persecution, and therefore is now built on tolerance and acceptance". The townspeople seem genuinely interested in life and living and freedom. Kinda like the ideals that got me interested in Scientology in the first place. But in Salem they are living it, or more accurately they are just letting it flow. It never occurred to me until now that the presence of positive energy and magic was at least part of my experience. Hmmm. Curious. Thank you TO, for providing a new spin on my own observations.

 

[undeclared]

I had some very weird experiences that I never understood, then later learned there was a thing called Black Dianetics/Scientology and assumed this is what was being done.

I worked for a company that was owned and operated by Scns. I'm not sure how, but I believe I became perceived to be a threat or potential problem. One day at work, I and a few others were moving stuff and repeatedly passed each other going to and from the supply and the drop-off point.

Each time my boss and I passed each other, he would casually say something bizarre. I think it started with:

"Look at that blue Volkswagen."

I turned and looked and wondered what was significant about it.

I don't remember the next few phrases because I was frantically trying to analyze what was going on and why he was doing this. (This wasn't the beginning of the weirdness, so I was already unstable and clinging to sanity.)

The last phrase was, "You blew up the wrong fucking planet, John."

Again, this was said in passing, not aggressively, but firmly, and as if it was a normal thing to say to someone. Just after that, the boss announced a break and the three or four of us on this job stood and sat in the driveway of the house we were working at and smoked cigarettes and (they) talked like everything was normal.

I stood there feeling insane because I wanted to say, "What the hell do you mean by telling me I blew up the wrong planet, and telling me to look at things? What the hell are you trying to do and why?" but saying absolutely nothing out of fear and uncertainty.

I wondered, was I supposed to cave-in from guilt over an atrocity on my past-track? It didn't indicate to me at all. What was caving me in was the fact that he was doing this, combined with the fact that here we were, at work, taking a break, smoking cigarettes like everything was totally normal.

As an example of some of the other weirdness, a short time later, it was lunch time. I walked to a deli about a block away. None of the other Scns went there. As I stood in line trying to focus on the menu and what I was going to order when it was my turn, a man in a suit standing behind me said quietly, "You're okay. Don't worry."

I got the impression that my boss and the others were under surveillance and somehow the people watching them knew that I wasn't one of "the bad guys" and wanted to reassure me.

Maybe I was crazy - I definitely went crazy later, but it kind of makes sense considering many other things that occurred that would give more context before and after this day, but I'm still not sure if I want to say very much.

I never told anyone anything that happened during the time I worked and lived with these people until a year or so later. I finally told a friend some of the psychotic and criminal things I observed. The next day I went to apply for a job at a SCN owned company. I was sitting in the lobby waiting when my boss from the above company walked in and sat down in a chair opposite me and said, "Hi, John. How're you doing?"

That scared the hell out of me. It's as if he knew somehow that I had talked about him the night before. I didn't say anything again for another year. (I was still an active Scientologist at the time with the understanding that I had been involved with some Black Scientologists who didn't represent what SCN was really about.) The next time I told the whole story to someone, I went in to ASHO the next morning for a course I was on.

I was sitting at the table a few minutes before the official start time and in walks the owner of the above company. My boss's boss. He walked straight over to the table I was sitting at and sat down directly opposite me and said with a big smile, "Hi John!"

Now I knew for certain that they had some means of knowing when I discussed them and I vowed to never talk about them again. I said hi to him and nothing else. He stayed there for at least a minute or two, staring at me and smiling, like TR-0 in the Twilight Zone, then he finally got up and said, "I'll see you later." It sounded ominous whether he meant it to or not.

The next time I ever mentioned anything about them was years later in another state and after I had been out for several years. The next day, I wondered if I'd run into one of them. If I had, I think I would have died of a heart-attack, but finally, it seemed their theta-tracking mechanism was no longer in use.

I was finally free. I am *still* free.

I hope.

I've never posted anything about them before and doubt I ever will post some things. After the hell I went through (including being driven literally but temporarily insane) I treasure my peaceful existence now and never want to return to the terror of having a massive, powerful organization run Black Ops on my life.

Evil exists. We see it in the news every day. Most evil that we witness though is random and occurs from lack of any willful control on the part of the actors. A psychotic loner becomes a serial killer. A depressed mother drowns her children. An angry ex-employee shoots his former co-workers. Evil happens all the time.

Now consider this: Evil acts also occur with an intention and goal behind them. I've seen powerful, notable people shutdown and silenced. Some with mere threats - others with actions.

I don't know if there's a safe way to fight these people. If they were recognized as a criminal organization engaged in global insidious mind-control and were banned from existence, I'd feel safer. But that will never happen in the U.S. because of "religious freedom."

The alternative is massive exposure by mainstream media, but the general view by the media seems to be that SCN is a quirky but largely harmless organization - especially considering that so many big celebrities are members.

How bad could it really be - really?

 

[uniquemand]

The key, IMO, is the recognition by the IRS of the "Church" as a tax-exempt organization, which gives them the veil of a benevolent religion. When this is eventually stripped away from them, as eventually it must, when the facts come to light (Link to docs explaining relationship between IRS and Scientology.), they will have less of a leg to stand on, and then could be prosecuted for practicing medicine/psychology without a license.

It's a long war, and it's far from over: the Church will eventually lose.

 

[Lermanet_com]

re black scientology


1) There was described by a guy named LeCron, an instance of remote hypnosis, describing a directionality to the intention to control another..one described a
test of remote hyponsis, where a willing subject was in location A and the Hypnotist was in location C... and during the test a man walked in between and supposedly, in this story, he fell into the trance...and had to be snapped out of it by the hypnotist.
This was not somthing I tabbed while reading so Im going to have great difficulty finding it.. but thats the gist...FWIW..

2) *IF* you are completely familiar with inducing and exiting your own trance states, THEN the efforts of another to entrance YOU will no longer work. see a thread on Meditation HERE.
If YOU control your trance states then no one else will be able to..

3) In Max Freedom Long's early editions about the HUNA religion(I) this is the spiritual beliefs of the indigenous Hawaiians, which IMO is the source for hubbard's twisted (and yes he just had to twist it, to alter it) regurgitations about what he labeled "the genetic entity", is described in the book that also describes the technique used to "Kill with a thought" I am not going to explain it, go buy his book. I am going to emphasize one extremely important fact, the Huna remote killing technique could only work if the person has done bad things - and feels guilt...

Hmmm....

Maybe I should explain it a little, its pretty creepy. To do this, you need to have enslaved the (dang what do the Huna call it...well, Ill use Hubbard's term which is close enough) the GE of a newly dead person, there is a routine one does to enslave and hold and bind it to the sorcerer.. To enslave the body's lower spirit, of a newly dead person. There are routines and enchantments that must eb done before the person dies, to capture this entity... and after capturing it, you make it loyal by making it feel good about itself, it has the mentality of a small child...(likes to spill things and throw dishes) but no intellect... and then you send it after your victim while they are sleeping with instruction to boot the other lower body spirit out and take over, and then 'hold the center infinitely tight', and they wake up to die of a heart attack.
And yes *I* have intentionally altered this and left out some..

The caveat is, that if the target has no bad karma, and has no feelings of guilt, then the body's GE can't be tricked into leaving while you are sleeping.....by the one the Huna sends. The prerequisite trick is to make the target BELIEVE they are guilty. Geddit?

it is taught after much meditation, but was only to be used for warfare, not for settling scores.

In the Huna code of ethics, there are only two rules.
a) Never damage or steal the possesions of another.
b) Never hurt another person's feelings.
(I) The Secret Science Behind Miracles (c) 1949 Max Freedom Long

And Huna dohn need no steekin' Oh-tea-levels..

4) The Sufi techniques.. see this posting LINK for more information and a video, the Sufi data gives me immense respect for Iran, if these are the keepers of wisdom behind the powers there.

and a story told to me... When the Russians were in Afgahnistan there was one particular major or similar, who had an uncanny 'knack' to direct his tank division into the proper valley to catch the Taliban with their pants down. (I know they don't wear pants, but you know what I mean) and he was becoming a BIG problem, so who did the taliban call when they were cornered? they went to a Sufi, and explained what was going on, begging him to help them stop his tanks.

The Russian officer, was in a meeting with his superiors, who had come at his most urgent request, and he was trying to explain to them that he believed that he was under some kind of a psychic attack, when he keeled over with a heart attack.

I have every reason to believe this story was true, as the person telling had no need to lie to impress me, as I was already impressed by other truths.

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And you might ask, what do I use?

I use all of it, I use every bit of knowledge I can find..and nothing from hubbard..what for? I already have enough rubbish.

Many of us fell for the promises of magic in scientology because we were simply ignorant of the magic that is all around us..

And if you would like to read a book, by a Professor of Religious Studies, who was worthy of being assassinated.... - When i heard that I RAN to buy the books of Iano Couliano - I'd recommend this one first, called "Out of this World" in which Professor Couliano, does to the major mainstream belief systems of this world, (The ones that are fighting and killing each other in G-ds name) what I did to scientology by posting the OT Levels to the net in 1995.... Enjoy!

 

[Wisened One]

When I was routing out and on one of the last nights I was there: Our LRH Comm (OT V, L's comp) took me into a tiny closet-sized FREEZING room and proceeded to lecture at me for over two hours.

He knew I was freezing and didn't care! He kept me pinned into my chair to the degree I felt I could barely breathe.

He kept saying stuff like:

'What do you think you're gonna DO 'out there' in the wog world, huh?!' and...

'You are NOT gonna succeed at ANYTHING out there!'

'You are gonna FAIL, and this person and that person and this other person all DIED when they routed out, or blew, or fell inactive as a public, etc.etc..'

'Your marriage will NOT last out there in the wog world'

'By leaving the most ethical goal on the planet and the most ethical group on the planet, you will put your own eithics in on yourself and make yourself very ill. Maybe even cancer.'

'Your guilt will drive you insane'

' You are going to drive your anchor points in to the point where you will pull in death'

etc,etc.etc.. and on and on he went while I was seizing with cold.

I said NOTHING to him. Only stared at him and concentrated on keeping warm.

I was also GLAD I was so cold, because it gave me something to put my attention on that wasn't him, so therefore, preventing me from deeply absorbing his crap,than if I was more in-ruds.

Was THAT Black Scientology? :confused2:

Michelle

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Yep!

When I was routing out and on one of the last nights I was there: Our LRH Comm (OT V, L's comp) took me into a tiny closet-sized FREEZING room and proceeded to lecture at me for over two hours.

He knew I was freezing and didn't care! He kept me pinned into my chair to the degree I felt I could barely breathe.

...snip...

you will put your own eithics in on yourself and make yourself very ill. Maybe even cancer.'

'Your guilt will drive you insane'

' You are going to drive your anchor points in to the point where you will pull in death'

etc,etc.etc.. and on and on he went while I was seizing with cold.

...snip...

Was THAT Black Scientology? :confused2:

Michelle

In the truest sense of the word, Michelle! All of it - I only "snipped" some of the quote for brevity.

I would have (I believe) kicked anyone's ass who would dare to treat you or anyone else in such a manner. Then I remind myself that I was once "in" myself...and I thought of that old "care enough for the being" line of shit care how much? Enough to get them to mortgage their house, divorce their spouse, sell their cars and more, to "secure their bridge"!

We all simply must support each other here I think; cause I, for one, have done some pretty oddball stuff while "under the influence" and I don't want to be over-confident about my "rightness" or what I can/would do in a given situation ever again.

Love,

Mike, Roy and EP

 

[Good twin]

Michelle, He gave me a similar speech the first time I was offloaded. I was routed out because I was a List 1 R/Ser in about 1977 or so. He (GB) was in HCO at the time and was on my routing form.

I had been given Rfactors as to why I wasn't being allowed to complete my contract. I was told that There was a "Case phenomenon" that prevented me from being qualified for staff until I completed OT3. I was devastated but understood it was the greatest good for me to route out and pay off my Freeloaders debt and continue up the bridge as public.
Then when I got to the HCO section of the RF HE really let me have it. Told me that 2 1/2 percent of people are List 1 R/Sers and "Does that sound familiar?" and "you are a destructive force against all that is sane and rational and productive" and on and on.

All I can say is I know this guy. He's never had a life outside the cult. He is a true believer and really isn't capable of any other response.
I don't hold it against him. (sorry you were cold and so uncomfortable - glad you are okay now)
GT

 

[Wisened One]

Oh wow, GT. So you had him, too! Geez. He said awful stuff to you, as well! Yeah, you are right in that he was 'only doing his job, caring for the being' crap....

So are there different actions on the routing out rf where at one point, they're 'sorta nice' to you, then as one of your last steps, it must say: 'Be as mean as you can to the offender' type thing? lol.

Michelle, He gave me a similar speech the first time I was offloaded. I was routed out because I was a List 1 R/Ser in about 1977 or so. He (GB) was in HCO at the time and was on my routing form.

I had been given Rfactors as to why I wasn't being allowed to complete my contract. I was told that There was a "Case phenomenon" that prevented me from being qualified for staff until I completed OT3. I was devastated but understood it was the greatest good for me to route out and pay off my Freeloaders debt and continue up the bridge as public.
Then when I got to the HCO section of the RF HE really let me have it. Told me that 2 1/2 percent of people are List 1 R/Sers and "Does that sound familiar?" and "you are a destructive force against all that is sane and rational and productive" and on and on.

All I can say is I know this guy. He's never had a life outside the cult. He is a true believer and really isn't capable of any other response.
I don't hold it against him. (sorry you were cold and so uncomfortable - glad you are okay now)
GT

 

[Good twin]

Oh wow, GT. So you had him, too! Geez. He said awful stuff to you, as well! Yeah, you are right in that he was 'only doing his job, caring for the being' crap....

So are there different actions on the routing out rf where at one point, they're 'sorta nice' to you, then as one of your last steps, it must say: 'Be as mean as you can to the offender' type thing? lol.

It's not on the routing form. He just loses it!

 

[Wisened One]

Gee, bet he's done that TONS of times over the years, then. High Blood Pressure, much?

It's not on the routing form. He just loses it!

 

[Björkist]

Not sure if this qualifies, but in my early twenties (over 10 years ago), I was working late at a mission with a staff member. We still had quite a bit of work to do so both decided to take an extended nap and resume later.

About 45 minutes after both of us falling asleep, I was awoken by the staff member screaming loudly, "Get out of here!! Get the fuck out of here!" as he bolted around the room we were in.

I was very bothered by this (being woken up before I was ready and the method of being woken up).

I asked the guy (Chris) what the hell he was doing and he explained that sometimes evil spirits come to the mission to intimidate staff members and so he forces them out. He then described the thing as looking like the face on the PTS/SP course only much bigger and "hovering" over him.

When I watched Fishman's videos on Google, he gave off a similar vibe as Chris the Screamer.

 

[Good twin]

Fishman is a psycho.

Not sure if this qualifies, but in my early twenties (over 10 years ago), I was working late at a mission with a staff member. We still had quite a bit of work to do so both decided to take an extended nap and resume later.

About 45 minutes after both of us falling asleep, I was awoken by the staff member screaming loudly, "Get out of here!! Get the fuck out of here!" as he bolted around the room we were in.

I was very bothered by this (being woken up before I was ready and the method of being woken up).

I asked the guy (Chris) what the hell he was doing and he explained that sometimes evil spirits come to the mission to intimidate staff members and so he forces them out. He then described the thing as looking like the face on the PTS/SP course only much bigger and "hovering" over him.

When I watched Fishman's videos on Google, he gave off a similar vibe as Chris the Screamer.

 

[undeclared]

Thank you, Mr. Lerma.

[snip]

And if you would like to read a book, by a Professor of Religious Studies, who was worthy of being assassinated.... - When i heard that I RAN to buy the books of Ioan Couliano - I'd recommend this one first, called "Out of this World" in which Professor Couliano, does to the major mainstream belief systems of this world, (The ones that are fighting and killing each other in G-ds name) what I did to scientology by posting the OT Levels to the net in 1995.... Enjoy!