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uniquemand

Unbeliever
I just saw this quoted on Facebook. I knew I'd seen it somewhere before, but couldn't find it. So, I'll share it here.

"Reference: Tape 31 DECEMBER 1960 – The Genus of Scientology

We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material, and so forth. And it keeps growing. But that's not important. When buildings get important to us, for God's sake, some of you born revolutionists, will you please blow up central headquarters. If someone had put some H.E. [high explosives] under the Vatican long ago, Catholicism might still be going. Don't get interested in real estate. Don't get interested in the masses of buildings, because that's not important.
...
What IS important is how much service you can give the world, how much you can get done, how much better you can make this. A bank account never measured the worth of a man. His ability to help measured his worth, and that's all. A bank account can assist one to help but where it ceases to do that, it becomes useless. It only takes a few failures to kill the impetus of any great forward drive.

-- L. Ron Hubbard"
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
<snip>Reference: Tape 31 DECEMBER 1960 – The Genus of Scientology<snip>

Public Service Announcement: Hubbard misunderstood the word "Genus" and uses it in various places (like here) with the rough meaning of "origin."

A clever Scientology word clearer can point to the Latin meaning of the word and wave his hand around airily in justifying the use, or can just bluntly say he got it wrong. :)

Paul
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Public Service Announcement: Hubbard misunderstood the word "Genus" and uses it in various places (like here) with the rough meaning of "origin."

A clever Scientology word clearer can point to the Latin meaning of the word and wave his hand around airily in justifying the use, or can just bluntly say he got it wrong. :)

Paul

Yes, he got it wrong, but you're right, the derivation does back him up. As I pointed out in the thread http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?23271-Avoiding-Flames-Terminology-and-Referent, getting caught up in that would miss the point of the post.

(for those who don't know what genus means or want to see the derivation, it's here, taken from Merriam-Webster online:
Full Definition of GENUS
1 : a class, kind, or group marked by common characteristics or by one common characteristic; specifically : a category of biological classification ranking between the family and the species, comprising structurally or phylogenetically related species or an isolated species exhibiting unusual differentiation, and being designated by a Latin or latinized capitalized singular noun

2 : a class of objects divided into several subordinate species

Examples of GENUS
  • the crime novel, written from the criminal's perspective, is sometimes seen as a particular species of the detective story genus
Origin of GENUS Latin gener-, genus birth, race, kind
First Known Use: 1551)

 

Teanntás

Silver Meritorious Patron
I just saw this quoted on Facebook. I knew I'd seen it somewhere before, but couldn't find it. So, I'll share it here.

"Reference: Tape 31 DECEMBER 1960 – The Genus of Scientology

We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material, and so forth. And it keeps growing. But that's not important. When buildings get important to us, for God's sake, some of you born revolutionists, will you please blow up central headquarters. If someone had put some H.E. [high explosives] under the Vatican long ago, Catholicism might still be going. Don't get interested in real estate. Don't get interested in the masses of buildings, because that's not important.
...
What IS important is how much service you can give the world, how much you can get done, how much better you can make this. A bank account never measured the worth of a man. His ability to help measured his worth, and that's all. A bank account can assist one to help but where it ceases to do that, it becomes useless. It only takes a few failures to kill the impetus of any great forward drive.

-- L. Ron Hubbard"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdLXcE9R4Gs
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
I just saw this quoted on Facebook. I knew I'd seen it somewhere before, but couldn't find it. So, I'll share it here.

"Reference: Tape 31 DECEMBER 1960 – The Genus of Scientology

We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material, and so forth. And it keeps growing. But that's not important. When buildings get important to us, for God's sake, some of you born revolutionists, will you please blow up central headquarters. If someone had put some H.E. [high explosives] under the Vatican long ago, Catholicism might still be going. Don't get interested in real estate. Don't get interested in the masses of buildings, because that's not important.
...
What IS important is how much service you can give the world, how much you can get done, how much better you can make this. A bank account never measured the worth of a man. His ability to help measured his worth, and that's all. A bank account can assist one to help but where it ceases to do that, it becomes useless. It only takes a few failures to kill the impetus of any great forward drive.

-- L. Ron Hubbard"


Yeah, Hubbard said this back in 1960 but I suspect that he would fully embrace the Ideal Org Program as it exists today and [STRIKE]grant Kha Khan status to the one who created that program [/STRIKE] would have adopted it as his own idea, regardless of who really came up with it.

Hubbard would have been much smoother at selling the idea to Scientologists, so it didn't look so much like the scam it is.

He would have written an HCO PL about his research into a great galactic civilization trillions of years ago and their attempt to save the universe as CoS is doing now. And Hubbard did an Eval and discovered that they only failed because their buildings weren't up to par. Their MEST repelled the opinion leaders of the civilization who they needed to achieve their purpose.

And because it was LRH himself who wrote this (and not Miscavige) very few would have questioned it.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Yeah, Hubbard said this back in 1960 but I suspect that he would fully embrace the Ideal Org Program as it exists today and [STRIKE]grant Kha Khan status to the one who created that program [/STRIKE] would have adopted it as his own idea, regardless of who really came up with it.

Hubbard would have been much smoother at selling the idea to Scientologists, so it didn't look so much like the scam it is.

He would have written an HCO PL about his research into a great galactic civilization trillions of years ago and their attempt to save the universe as CoS is doing now. And Hubbard did an Eval and discovered that they only failed because their buildings weren't up to par. Their MEST repelled the opinion leaders of the civilization who they needed to achieve their purpose.

And because it was LRH himself who wrote this (and not Miscavige) very few would have questioned it.

Oh, yes, I'm sure you're right. Flubbard was great at flip-flopping. Would've made a great modern politician until he got caught twerking in a bathhouse. That being said, this is a great quote that can be used to help people open their eyes to what Scientology has become (it could be argued that this is what it was all along, and Hubbard was just a skillful manipulator, but that's not important right now).

It's USEFUL. :)

Meanwhile, here's Freedom Magazine's take on the Ideal Morgues.

http://www.freedommag.org/issue/201407-flag/ideal-orgs-mark-era-of-expansion.html

It's a confidence thing. Spoken like a true confidence man.

“The Ideal Org would be an activity where people came to achieve freedom and where they had confidence they would attain it.”—L. Ron Hubbard -
 

Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
I just saw this quoted on Facebook. I knew I'd seen it somewhere before, but couldn't find it. So, I'll share it here.

"Reference: Tape 31 DECEMBER 1960 – The Genus of Scientology

We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material, and so forth. And it keeps growing. But that's not important. When buildings get important to us, for God's sake, some of you born revolutionists, will you please blow up central headquarters. If someone had put some H.E. [high explosives] under the Vatican long ago, Catholicism might still be going. Don't get interested in real estate. Don't get interested in the masses of buildings, because that's not important.
...
What IS important is how much service you can give the world, how much you can get done, how much better you can make this. A bank account never measured the worth of a man. His ability to help measured his worth, and that's all. A bank account can assist one to help but where it ceases to do that, it becomes useless. It only takes a few failures to kill the impetus of any great forward drive.

-- L. Ron Hubbard"


You are a true SPP - Sinister Party Pooper.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Public Service Announcement: Hubbard misunderstood the word "Genus" and uses it in various places (like here) with the rough meaning of "origin."

A clever Scientology word clearer can point to the Latin meaning of the word and wave his hand around airily in justifying the use, or can just bluntly say he got it wrong. :)

Paul

I wonder how the average course sup would have dealt with a student who originated that LRH misunderstood the word genus? Considering that Scn revolves around the idea that LRH is NEVER wrong.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
I just saw this quoted on Facebook. I knew I'd seen it somewhere before, but couldn't find it. So, I'll share it here.

"Reference: Tape 31 DECEMBER 1960 – The Genus of Scientology

We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material, and so forth. And it keeps growing. But that's not important. When buildings get important to us, for God's sake, some of you born revolutionists, will you please blow up central headquarters. If someone had put some H.E. [high explosives] under the Vatican long ago, Catholicism might still be going. Don't get interested in real estate. Don't get interested in the masses of buildings, because that's not important.
...
What IS important is how much service you can give the world, how much you can get done, how much better you can make this. A bank account never measured the worth of a man. His ability to help measured his worth, and that's all. A bank account can assist one to help but where it ceases to do that, it becomes useless. It only takes a few failures to kill the impetus of any great forward drive.

-- L. Ron Hubbard"

I wonder if that part is among what got edited out of the tapes during the GAT and GAT II evolutions?
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
So that's what ideal orgs is all about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When he wrote about ideal orgs he was not talking about walls and chairs, shooped images and big red bows he was talking about well trained auditors and staff. DM really is determined to end the cult. That's fine by me!
 

Dean Blair

Silver Meritorious Patron
Public Service Announcement: Hubbard misunderstood the word "Genus" and uses it in various places (like here) with the rough meaning of "origin."

A clever Scientology word clearer can point to the Latin meaning of the word and wave his hand around airily in justifying the use, or can just bluntly say he got it wrong. :)

Paul

Hubbard didn't get it wrong. The Dictionary is wrong. Merriam Webster has MUs and needs to be sent to cramming. L Ron Hubbard was a Nuclear Scientist, a war hero, and the only person in the universe who can save us from total annihilation. Thank goodness that train on the planet Venus didn't run him over or we would all be doomed for eternity.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Yeah, Hubbard said this back in 1960 but I suspect that he would fully embrace the Ideal Org Program as it exists today and [STRIKE]grant Kha Khan status to the one who created that program [/STRIKE] would have adopted it as his own idea, regardless of who really came up with it.

Hubbard would have been much smoother at selling the idea to Scientologists, so it didn't look so much like the scam it is.

He would have written an HCO PL about his research into a great galactic civilization trillions of years ago and their attempt to save the universe as CoS is doing now. And Hubbard did an Eval and discovered that they only failed because their buildings weren't up to par. Their MEST repelled the opinion leaders of the civilization who they needed to achieve their purpose.

And because it was LRH himself who wrote this (and not Miscavige) very few would have questioned it.

Hubbard made huge mistakes circa 1982. The missions were pouring people up lines, people were having fun, I remember going to the org just to hang. Missions didn't have to allow SO on premises, all the networks
were absent. So short termism. Grab some money and kill the golden goose.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I wonder how the average course sup would have dealt with a student who originated that LRH misunderstood the word genus? Considering that Scn revolves around the idea that LRH is NEVER wrong.

Dunno. Find one and ask. :)

For me, on the rare occasion something like that happened (and it seemed to me that the student was correct) I would just sort of smile and give a non-committal shrug of the shoulders and not say anything. It was not a conversation I ever wanted to get into!

Paul
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
Dunno. Find one and ask. :)

For me, on the rare occasion something like that happened (and it seemed to me that the student was correct) I would just sort of smile and give a non-committal shrug of the shoulders and not say anything. It was not a conversation I ever wanted to get into!

Paul

So, it was the Co$ equivalent of "does this dress make my arse look fat"? :target:
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
This is great, but I want to know when some dedicated Scientologists are going to follow Hubbard's orders and blow up Headquarters!
 

Cat's Squirrel

Gold Meritorious Patron
I wonder how the average course sup would have dealt with a student who originated that LRH misunderstood the word genus? Considering that Scn revolves around the idea that LRH is NEVER wrong.

Good question. I'd also have liked to have been a fly on the wall when a student on the SHSBC discovered that LRH didn't think calculus worked.
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
He also misunderstood the word 'latent'. A read on the e-meter that is suppressed or invalidated and so does not show up on first calling is truly 'latent' and will show up when the buttons obscuring it have been dealt with. But the way Hubs uses it he means simply 'late' - i.e. occurring a moment after it was called; not instant.

And there are other more serious typographical errors in his works which all and sundry have for ever been proclaiming as being CORRECT AS IT STANDS, when it isn't.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Once again this quote, made by Hubbard shortly after he had purchased St. Hill Manor, appears. It's a popular quote among Independent Scientologists, who truly believe that their money grubbing guru was being straight with them when he told them about his disdain for property and bank accounts.

Eight years earlier, in the aftermath of the conflict with former benefactor Don Purcell over Hubbard's corrupt and dictatorial control of the organization, Hubbard had reassured the nascent Scientologists, attending his lectures in Philadelphia, that he had no interest in any such control, and opposed those who did. Those quotes are also much beloved by the Independent Scientologists.

And then there's the "lightness of organization" quote from 1955. That's a popular one too.

And it wasn't just during the 1950s or the early 1960s that Hubbard disdained money and property and control over others. He felt the same way in the late 1960s and beyond.

Really!

Here's another good one from Hubbard, where he again shows his lack of interest in material things. He was obviously a very spiritual man who cared deeply about serving others and making a better world. :bigcry:


"Advanced Courses are the most valuable service on the planet. Life insurance, houses, cars, stocks, bonds, college savings, all are transitory and impermanent... There is nothing to compare with Advanced Courses. They are infinitely valuable and transcend time itself."

L. Ron Hubbard speaking of his Operating Thetan Courses, Flag Mission Order 375


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In his confidential instructions, Hubbard told Scientologists to use "aberrative" practices and "enemy tactics" on Scientology's enemies.

And Hubbard would often mention "enemy tactics," or "aberrative" practices in his public writings and lectures, and, inevitably, present himself as an opponent of those practices and tactics. This assured Scientologists that Hubbard would never use such practices or tactics on them.

But he did, and extensively, and Scientologists, reassured by their "greatest friend" - "Ron" - having already warned them about, and expressed his opposition to, such practices and tactics, were caught completely off guard. They were sitting ducks.


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There are some examples of amazingly insightful early analyses of "what Hubbard was actually doing."


Volney Mathison's, in 1954, may be amongst the earliest.

This can be applied, not only to hypnosis, but to any "enemy tactic" or "aberrative" practice about which Hubbard publicly warned or expressed opposition:


dianetics-hypnosis-by-volney.jpg



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A brief chronology, just for fun!:


"I can make Napoleon look like a punk." L. Ron Hubbard, from his "real goal" 'Excalibur' letter, 1938


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"Men are my slaves." L. Ron Hubbard, from his 'Affirmations', 1946


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As early as 1951, Dr. Winter caught a glimpse of Hubbard's M.O.:


"There was a difference between the ideals inherent in the Dianetic hypothesis and the actions of the Foundation in its ostensible efforts to carry out these ideals. The ideals, as I saw them, included non-authoritarianism and a flexibility of approach. The ideals... continued to be given lip-service, but I could see a definite disparity between ideals and actualities."

Dr. J.A. Winter, who wrote the Introduction for 'DMSMH' in 1950, from his book, 'A Doctor's Report on Dianetics', 1951


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"No rights of any kind... Dispose of quietly and without sorrow." L. Ron Hubbard, 'Science of Survival', 1951


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""Always attack..." "Debate engaged upon [that] demeaned and degraded Scientology... SHOULD NEVER BE PERMITTED... [caps in original]

"...if you discover that some group calling itself 'precept processing' had set up and established a series of meetings in your area, you should do all you can to make things interesting for them. In view of the fact that HASI holds the copyrights for all such material the least that could be done in such an area is the placement of a suit against them for using materials of Scientology without authority. Only a member of the HASI or a member of one of the churches affiliated with the HASI has the authority to use this information. The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win.

"The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional demise. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly." From 'Manual on Dissemination of Material', March 1955


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:dance3:"Lightness of organization..." June 1955 :yes:


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"Dianetics and Scientology are self-protecting sciences. If one attacks them one attacks all the know-how of the mind. It caves in the bank. It's gruesome sometimes.

"At this instance there are men hiding in terror on Earth because they found out what they were attacking. There are men dead because they attacked us - for instance Dr. Joe Winter [wrote Introduction to 'DMSMH', and the book, 'A Doctor's Report on Dianetics' with an Introduction by Fritz Perls]. He simply realized what he did [He wrote an unauthorized book about Dianetics] and died. There are men bankrupt because they attacked us - [Don] Purcell, Ridgeway, [publisher of 'DMSMH'] Ceppos." From L. Ron Hubbard's 'HCO Manual of Justice', 1959


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"Find or Manufacture enough threat." L. Ron Hubbard, 'Department of Government Affairs', 1960


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"Have you ever had unkind thoughts about L. Ron Hubbard?" L. Ron Hubbard, Security Check, 1961


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"Suppressive acts include public disavowal of Scientology... public statements against Scientology... continued membership in a divergent group... continued adherence to a person or group pronounced suppressive..." L. Ron Hubbard, 'Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists', 1965


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"I am not interested in wog morality... I can make Captain Bligh look like a Sunday School teacher," L. Ron Hubbard, 'Discipline, SPs and Admin', 1969.


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And, of course, none of us are stupid enough to believe that Hubbard actually didn't want money and property and power over others - and it's well documented how he wanted those things from the 1930s all the way through to the 1980s. The "insatiable lust for power and money" never went away - BUT, as a method for extricating people from corporate Scientology, citing these LIP SERVICE and manipulative words from Hubbard is regarded as useful.

I suppose it is.

Useful, at times.

Still, the practice of using lies or misleading or manipulative words to get people out of corporate Scientology is uncomfortably similar to the practice of using lies or misleading or manipulative words to get people into corporate Scientology. :unsure:
 

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"Reference: Tape 31 DECEMBER 1960 – The Genus of Scientology

We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material, and so forth. And it keeps growing. But that's not important. When buildings get important to us, for God's sake, some of you born revolutionists, will you please blow up central headquarters. If someone had put some H.E. [high explosives] under the Vatican long ago, Catholicism might still be going. Don't get interested in real estate. Don't get interested in the masses of buildings, because that's not important.
...

What IS important is how much service you can give the world, how much you can get done, how much better you can make this.
A bank account never measured the worth of a man. His ability to help measured his worth, and that's all. A bank account can assist one to help but where it ceases to do that, it becomes useless. It only takes a few failures to kill the impetus of any great forward drive.

-- L. Ron Hubbard"


In classic form, Hubbard's unabashed hypocrisy is superbly showcased in that 1960 tape. To wit, some months earlier (in 1959) Hubbard purchased the 11 acre luxurious estate known as St. Hill Manor.

Why then, one wonders, would he immediately turn around and warn his devotees to not get interested in buying real estate and not become fascinated (as he obviously was) in acquiring the "masses of buildings, because that's not important."?

And while we are at it, how about that other non-sequitur admonition to not be concerned about the size of one's bank account?

This was all part of the magic show of world-class conman L. Ron Hubbard--who feared that loyalists might dedicate some of their time, resources and capital to acquiring expensive estates or buildings "to be like Ron" when he specifically wanted them dedicated to giving HIM the money instead.

And, about that sniffing dismissal Hubbard makes about accumulating cash into bank accounts......sure, Ron, we believe you. LOL. For anyone not really familiar with the obscene lying of Hubbard trying to pretend he didn't care about such MEST matters, take a look at the vast amount of HCO Policies and Flag Orders that Hubbard personally wrote about the establishment of reserve accounts and other massively untraceable slush funds that was to be put in accounts under his sole control.

And, also read the affidavits of people that worked for Hubbard and who, at his behest, loaded suitcases full of cash which they then illegally laundered and transported overseas to his offshore bank accounts.

It's funny that Indie Scientologists put so much importance on the above "don't get interested in real estate" reference, which on its face contradicts the "Ideal Org" buying scam. However, what Indies don't know is that every time they are able to find a policy that makes them right and the COS wrong, there are plenty of other policies on the identical subject that make the COS right and would have them declared, disconnected and fair gamed.

Scientologists: They are madly, madly confused. They actually think Hubbard meant what he wrote.
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
Does anybody else get tired of seeing them quotes in post after post ?

Not to say it the wrong way, but, I have already read enough of that shit to last me for the next 20 lifetimes !

From here on out, I'm skipping Ella Ritz quotes. Fuck her.
 
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