Covert Hostility vs. Overt Wit

[asagai]

Well, "no case on post", as you know. But then again, I could, you know, describe a lady I used to know at work who was always crying at her desk, and whenever a bit of business- not a personality thing but an actual work task- seemed daunting and she'd ask someone a question, she'd puther head in her hands saying "give me a minute. It's just sooo hard. I'm having a bad day." All the time. Every day, just about.
That is a perfect example of the advisability of wearing one's hat and not having case on post.

But as to being CofS staff, yes, they are routinely crapped upon and the no case on post thing is used against them. Everything is used against them and that is because CofS is a cult and it doesn't CARE about its members.

But in the previous post, I was talking about just the tone scale, proper, as it applies to life, from a philosophical or methodology standpoint, as in what did Hubbard say about the tone scale.

As far as mind control and CofS goes- and did Hubbard want that- yes, there's oodles and yes, he did want it.

So we are talking about Tansy's "stuckiness" and we agree!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Ooooohhh! You're mischievious today, Asagai. Do you have ANY idea of what the man in the sparkly tights will do to me if I say ANYTHING untoward?:

Right.

I don't either.

 

[Tanstaafl]

-snip-
And I'm suggesting trying on the idea of preferring the opposite for a while. Try preferring sarcasm or grief - take an indulgent grief holiday for a day or two. Every time you want to feel happy, try on feeling sad. See what happens...

I've been taking an indulgent grief holiday this lifetime Mr A - I may have overrun!

Yes, that sounds like a good approach to relieving stickiness (ooerr ) - I'll have a pop at it, but I may need the odd nudge to keep on track.

I definitely have a button on being misunderstood, and if not everyone on ESMB is in on the gag I can see it being a problem for me.

Emsy - how about a once-a-month "post the opposite of what you mean" day? It could cause chaos, especially with our time zone differences, but it might be fun and therapeutic (not implying anyone other than me needs any therapy )

Cheers Asagai.

 

[asagai]

I've been taking an indulgent grief holiday this lifetime Mr A - I may have overrun!

Yes, that sounds like a good approach to relieving stickiness (ooerr ) - I'll have a pop at it, but I may need the odd nudge to keep on track.

I definitely have a button on being misunderstood, and if not everyone on ESMB is in on the gag I can see it being a problem for me.

Emsy - how about a once-a-month "post the opposite of what you mean" day? It could cause chaos, especially with our time zone differences, but it might be fun and therapeutic (not implying anyone other than me needs any therapy )

Cheers Asagai.

What a great idea! or we could have a "post the opposite of what you mean thread"!

I'm onto it, "I'm posting as we speak sweetie" to mis-quote Edina Monsoon from AbFab.

 

[Dulloldfart]

What a great idea! or we could have a "post the opposite of what you mean thread"!

You mean some people always say exactly what they mean?

How dull.

Paul

 

[asagai]

You mean some people always say exactly what they mean?

How dull.

Paul

Well you'd know about "dull", Paul!

 

[Tanstaafl]

Ooooohhh! You're mischievious today, Asagai. Do you have ANY idea of what the man in the sparkly tights will do to me if I say ANYTHING untoward?:

Right.

I don't either.

This:

You have been warned!

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I always thought the "J&D" thing was sort of akin to a kid in high water pants and a beanie hat saying "It's not funny, you guys!"

But I will say that there probably IS such a thing as negative J&Ding. Like if someone mocked something when they could have been helping.

Here's a real life example I gave on a.r.s. of J&Ding one time:

We knew this guy, growingup- friend of the family. He was into J&Ding to some extent. He was actually a good guy and not the SP that I'm sure Hubbard might have thought he was. But he did tend to do that. I remember he would pet this cat we used to have and say lovingly "awwww,that's a nice cat. What a stupid cat. Yes you are. Soooo stupid" while crooning affectionately and scritching her. The cat thought he was the nicest person ever. And he got a laugh at how the cat didn't really know what he was saying to her.

To me, that's an example of real J&Ding.

I have an MU: WTF is J&D?

 

[asagai]

I have an MU: WTF is J&D?

Jokers and Degraders or Jugglers and Dancers - take your pick!

 

[olska]

Well, "no case on post", as you know. But then again, I could, you know, describe a lady I used to know at work who was always crying at her desk, and whenever a bit of business- not a personality thing but an actual work task- seemed daunting and she'd ask someone a question, she'd put her head in her hands saying "give me a minute. It's just sooo hard. I'm having a bad day." All the time. Every day, just about.
That is a perfect example of the advisability of wearing one's hat and not having case on post.

There we have it: the "scientology" philosophy in action!

Rather than responding to someone's obvious distress with an attempt at understanding, a show of compassion, or (Hubbard forbid it!) some sympathy, the "scientologically-correct" attitude is disdain, "no sympathy," and a mini lecture on "no case on post."

While certainly not exclusive to or limited to that demographic, this attitude permeates the cult-ure of "practicing" scientologists -- those who use the principles and beliefs of "scientology" as a philosophy or guide for their lives, both in and out of the COS. How predictable, and how sad for our world.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Actually, Olska, it was a non Scn company and I was talking about something that went on every day, all the time, and how the person's NON SCN coworkers regarded this. So your post is waaaay off base.

And all I said was that it's a good illustration of the advisability being what I personally would call businesslike and professional in the workplace but which someone using Hubbardese might refer to as not having case on post.

I've had a lot of people come to me with issues and asking for assistance. My willingness to help has been mentioned at several performance reviews.

But there are people who are not good to work with, who never were, never are, and who are highly unprofessional. This doesn't mean they don't need help, but I would suspect that the help they need is psychological or psychiatric, which, of course, is generally administered outside the workplace.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Jokers and Degraders or Jugglers and Dancers - take your pick!

I do not possess a Tech Dictionary--can someone explain this using "verbal tech"?

 

[asagai]

I do not possess a Tech Dictionary--can someone explain this using "verbal tech"?

Ron's opinion of jokers and degraders was that they were 1.1 (covert hostility) and that their "joking" was not actually hamless fun, but in fact an attempt to belittle people, because, being suppressive, the joker was actually fighting old adversaries from off the track... blah blah.

Therefore people who joke are SPs in so many words.

Conversely what he said was that Jugglers and Dancers were really at Tone 40 (serenity of beingness) and that these artists were actually Natural Clear and Native State OTs.

Therefore the Bridge to Total Freedom involved training to become either a juggler or a dancer. This freed the being from the Juggler and Dancers of Venus implant.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Thanks. In my youth, I was a dancer, but never could juggle. I mean juggling one cheque book is hard enough!!!

Besides, what about all those groan jokes that you hear on lrh tapes?

 

[Escalus]

There's no place like home.

Click your heels together

There's no place like home...


Zinj

the good witch in Oz was running a process on Dorothy. She could have told Dorothy that info in Munchkinland but NOOOO - instead she let her go through all that shit and only THEN tell her all she had to do was click her damn heels.

That story is whacked...

 

[olska]

Olska ... your post is waaaay off base.

No more "off base" than anyone else's posts, your many posts included.

I simply used your little story of your unfortunate coworker as an illustration of the "scientology" philosophy in action, that being (in my observation) that rather than responding to someone's obvious distress with an attempt at understanding, a show of compassion, or (Hubbard forbid it!) some sympathy, the "scientologically-correct" attitude is disdain, "no sympathy," and a mini lecture reiterating Hubbard's judgmental and arrogance-inducing ideas on some point such as "tone level," "victims," "downstats," "lower conditions," blah blah blah or as in your post above, Hubbard's admonitions of "no case on post."

While certainly not exclusive to or limited to the demographic of "scientologists," this attitude permeates the cult-ure of "practicing scientologists," meaning those who use the principles and beliefs of "scientology" as a philosophy or guide for their lives, both in and out of the COS.

I point this out for the benefit of those who are trying to separate themselves from Hubbard's mindfuck and learn to live again by principles and with attitudes -- according to personal philosophies if you will -- other than those (I believe) destructive ones set out by Hubbard in what is known as "scientology."

 

[asagai]

Thanks. In my youth, I was a dancer, but never could juggle. I mean juggling one cheque book is hard enough!!!

Besides, what about all those groan jokes that you hear on lrh tapes?

You are forgetting that Ron never applied Scn "tech" and "policy" to himself!

Besides he was a lousy dancer and couldn't juggle anything except his reality!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

No more "off base" than anyone else's posts, your many posts included.

I simply used your little story of your unfortunate coworker as an illustration of the "scientology" philosophy in action, that being (in my observation) that rather than responding to someone's obvious distress with an attempt at understanding, a show of compassion, or (Hubbard forbid it!) some sympathy, the "scientologically-correct" attitude is disdain, "no sympathy," and a mini lecture reiterating Hubbard's judgmental and arrogance-inducing ideas on some point such as "tone level," "victims," "downstats," "lower conditions," blah blah blah or as in your post above, Hubbard's admonitions of "no case on post."

While certainly not exclusive to or limited to the demographic of "scientologists," this attitude permeates the cult-ure of "practicing scientologists," meaning those who use the principles and beliefs of "scientology" as a philosophy or guide for their lives, both in and out of the COS.

I point this out for the benefit of those who are trying to separate themselves from Hubbard's mindfuck and learn to live again by principles and with attitudes -- according to personal philosophies if you will -- other than those (I believe) destructive ones set out by Hubbard in what is known as "scientology."

Not sure how it could be an example of Scn in action when it was a non Scn workplace and non Scn coworkers and a very troubled woman who had psychological issues and the way her non Scn coworkers had to work around her since she could not conduct herself professonally.

So yeah, that's why I said it was off base.

It doesn't point out Hubbard's mindfuck because it has nothing to do with Hubbard.

 

[olska]

Not sure how it could be an example of Scn in action when it was a non Scn workplace and non Scn coworkers and a very troubled woman who had psychological issues and the way her non Scn coworkers had to work around her since she could not conduct herself professonally.

So yeah, that's why I said it was off base.

It doesn't point out Hubbard's mindfuck because it has nothing to do with Hubbard.

It was not the events at the workplace but rather YOUR POST expressing YOUR VIEWS and YOUR ATTITUDE about those events that I used as an illustration of "scientology in action."

In particular, it was this comment:

That is a perfect example of the advisability of wearing one's hat and not having case on post.

which you wrote in your original post, directly after telling the story of your unfortunate coworker's behavior at your place of business.

In YOUR POST you used a description of your coworker's misfortune as a "perfect example" of "the advisability of" (strange choice of wording, "advisability" but what could it possibly mean except that you are in effect saying that in your opinion a better choice for her would have been...) wearing one's hat (a phrase right out of Hubbard's scientology admin materials) and not having case on post (another phrase right out of Hubbard's scientology admin materials, meaning that one's personal matters or "case" should not be admitted in the workplace).

I commented on what YOU WROTE which I assume to be an expression of YOUR VIEW as expressed in "scientology" terms: and that, in summary according to what YOU WROTE, is that this woman in distress would have been better advised to "wear her hat" and not indulge in "case on post."

Now do you get it?

I have no idea what any of the other (non scientologists, according to you) people involved thought or had to say about this matter because they didn't use that woman's story to illustrate, AS YOU DID, a "perfect example" of the "advisability" of the "scientology" concept of repressing one's distress in favor of "wearing one's hat" and "not having case on post."

I notice that in your original post you made no mention of the "advisability" of a coworker stepping up to help this woman find assistance with her problem, or the "advisability" of this woman taking time off work to deal with whatever was troubling her, or seeking professional help, or any other action that might have been for her benefit and relief.

Rather, apparently you told this story only to illustrate what a PITA a person who does not "wear one's hat" and who indulges in "case on post" can be.

As I said before, scientology philosophy in action: only the tigers survive, get those "low toned" people who drag society down out of the way, never reward a "downstat," etc. etc. blah blah blah.

If you had some other reason for telling us that story other than using it to illustrate scientology concepts by way of it being a "perfect example" of the "advisability" of wearing one's hat and not having case on post, perhaps you'd like to tell us what that reason was. Or not, as you choose.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I was talking with ex members on this forum and I used a bit of Scnese, which I do sparingly at even the ummm...worst of times.

My point was that in the regular ol' non Scn world- not just on staff in CofS- people are generally expected to behave professionally and not display their personal issues/psychological problems in their job, which equates to "no case on post".

As you know, I also said in my earlier posts on this thread that it's used against staff as the organization does not care about them.

So I really don't need to be bapped in the face with anything I said, thank you very much. I've posted nothing untrue or untoward on this thread.