Dave - too bad about Cruise

[Thrak]

Great post Jeff.

I reckon poor old Tom has been put in a lower condition for contributing to the world wide contraction of $cn - his wild antics on the TV are hard for woggy people to come to terms with and it did make the cult look ridiculous. So, I reckon he's working his way up, from treason(?), maybe stupidity, to be Davey's bum buddy again. Maybe when he gets to doubt he might really have a look at what he's in.

Well...it has to be Tom doesn't it? DM's not going to accept that it's any fault of his.

I note during the interview that Tom nodded when asked if he was still a $cnist, but he was pretty subdued. Being responsible for the demise of mankind would be pretty sobering.

Making the cult look ridiculous is not an overt by their rules as they do that themselves 24/7 and are not able to see it. Does anybody really think dm is going to ream his number cash cow and face of scn? I think what we are seeing is dm losing control over tc, not exerting more.

 

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

Tommi's new movie "Valkyrie" ...

Maybe this has given Cruise pause, where he's had a chance to look at another actual example of real evil, and the braveness required to confront it. Perhaps it's also given him some ideas he could put to use when/if he's proclaimed "the one" to overthrow Der Midget by those not close enough to the Wolf's Lair.

Probably not, but I never thought I'd see the Berlin Wall fall, either.

 

[tookmeawhile]

Probably not, but I never thought I'd see the Berlin Wall fall, either.

I remember being told at some event that it was all the OT VII's auditing that brought down the wall.

 

[KnightVision]

Certainly Tom realizes that his out spoken promotion of Scientology has made him extremely unpopular with fans and movie goers world wide.

That's caused others to avoid him, fire him and surely question his judgement.

And it could ruin his career permanently if left unchecked.

I think that he has realized there are limits to his 'powers' and that 'being at cause' is a part time job.

Hopefully he will make 'not speaking about his religion' a permanent promise.

I agree that Tom's change of stance is in direct correlation to a break in the mind control that DM or Scn has had on him.

Tom, whether he knows it or not, wields a lot of power within his relationship to the church and DM. If Tom blows and talks... say goodbye to Scn as we know it. Wouldn't it be nice...

 

[Sir Facer]

This is a masterpiece

David Miscavige!

Hi Dave, it’s me again, your old friend Jeff.

Wow, I just saw Tom Cruise’s interview with Barbara Walters – the one where he said he wasn’t going to promote Scientology any more, just refer people to the Church website.

That must have been a bitter pill to swallow – especially considering the lameness of your website, and the fact that if anyone Googles Scientology they are more likely to get directed to Wikipedia or Operation Clambake.

____________________________________________________________
Thank you Jeff for this posting , It is one of the best I have ever read, and it confirmed so much for me.

The funny thing is we watched a Tom Cruise interview on another show & he said the same thing to that interviewer that he was only directing public to the website, and he seemed bitter and extremely withdrawn on the subject.
I also noticed he has lost a shine which saddenned me as I can really see he has been hauled through the coals & he now knows why.

I really see what has happened to Cruise and having DM practically running your life would not have been easy. I can see the cruise is waking up

Reading your post just reminded me completely of why I am no longer with-in the CoS. Do well Jeff, Welcome and I wish you all the best in your new found freedom.. You will now flourish & Prosper for real

 

[FoTi]

Thank you

Jeff, just wanted to thank you for writing up your story on line.

I'd love to see you get it published in book form and sold in book stores all over the world, like is being done with The Complex.

 

[degraded being]

I agree that Tom Cruise having to say that he is not going to talk about scientology anymore must be at least a danger condition.

What kind of PR is it to say that you cannot talk about the thing you are trying to promote? The reason Tom Criuse has to stop his communication is that he is not increasing ARC with the public, but ARC breaking them on the subject of the Church of Scientology.

How would you handle a junior who drove people away from the orgs?

And in that Barbara Walters video, Isn't that a weird comm-lag that Tom Cruise has whenever he is asked a question about Scientology? Like he has a few seconds of complete blankness, and then he starts with a very out TRs answer. As though he cannot just be himself and answer the question. I always want to say "just get yer freak'n TRO in!! But OTs might not have have those anymore.
Actually that looks like a danger condition, because he looks so defensive. Like he sees it all as an attack situation. He has moved from attacker to being attacked.
That would be a reversal of OSA tech. Can't attack anymore. Can't defend. = Fail. = find new game.

 

[Lucretia]

Making the cult look ridiculous is not an overt by their rules as they do that themselves 24/7 and are not able to see it. Does anybody really think dm is going to ream his number cash cow and face of scn? I think what we are seeing is dm losing control over tc, not exerting more.

I am surmising only but I do think Miscavaige is rabid enough to ream anyone who gets in his way - cash cow or not. He probably thinks it's for TC's own good - twisted little twerp that he is. He had a very good teacher - good old Elron used to make people jump off ships to teach them a lesson. What's a little face ripping between friends?

Regarding TC's crime - I seem to remember reading long ago, that bringing $cn into disrepute or public ridicule was regarded as a suppressive act. There's enough meat in couch jumping to last a good few ethics trips. I do think TC has been reigned in, and I think, if he's ethics bait, a mere danger condition would be much too "reasonable".

On the other hand maybe TC is on his way out. I hope he is. BUT, they have got his pc folders. Who knows what they can do with those. Such a god awful trap to be in, and all of us who have had auditing are potentially in the same boat.

 

[Thrak]

I am surmising only but I do think Miscavaige is rabid enough to ream anyone who gets in his way - cash cow or not. He probably thinks it's for TC's own good - twisted little twerp that he is. He had a very good teacher - good old Elron used to make people jump off ships to teach them a lesson. What's a little face ripping between friends?

Regarding TC's crime - I seem to remember reading long ago, that bringing $cn into disrepute or public ridicule was regarded as a suppressive act. There's enough meat in couch jumping to last a good few ethics trips. I do think TC has been reigned in, and I think, if he's ethics bait, a mere danger condition would be much too "reasonable".

On the other hand maybe TC is on his way out. I hope he is. BUT, they have got his pc folders. Who knows what they can do with those. Such a god awful trap to be in, and all of us who have had auditing are potentially in the same boat.

You have to realize celebs aren't there on the same terms as everyone else.
I used to watch them babysit Lisa Marie. I don't think she gets ripped by anyone.

"I seem to remember reading long ago, that bringing $cn into disrepute or public ridicule was regarded as a suppressive act. "

Yes but dm does that everyday. Every time you walk by AOLA and here SO people doing chinese drills or whatever you call them, it accomplishes that. Tommy Davis accomplishes that. The SO uniforms accomplish that and we know who came up with those. If anybody ripped TC it was Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno, Paramount Pictures, and everybody else in the world. My point is he drank the cool aid and after much self denial, started to see it was going to kill him so had his stomach pumped in the nick of time. Maybe it was his own sense, or to me even more probably by someone outside of scn. But that is entirely speculation.

 

[uniquemand]

Enquiring minds want to know.

 

[fishdaddy]

Just a comment - I seriously doubt that Cruise's current behavior is the result of an "ethics handling" from Scientology, as has been suggested. No one would "handle" him except Miscavige, and Miscavige would ONLY handle him in the direction of more high profile dissemination. No, this is a revolt against Miscavige - there is no doubt in my mind about that.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I would like to think so but it also occurs to me that Tom is tired of all the flak he gets. Also, maybe he's afraid of losing Katie, losing his friends...I guess people in his life are tired of having Scn pushed on them.

 

[byte301]

It's bittersweet to me. I would love to see TC get out of the cult. But on the other hand he has done so much damage to the cult unwittlingly that I hate to see him go.

 

[uniquemand]

Yes, this is critical.

 

[Wisened One]

Yeah, bet not many people from his movie sets get in as much, now....

It's bittersweet to me. I would love to see TC get out of the cult. But on the other hand he has done so much damage to the cult unwittlingly that I hate to see him go.

 

[Free to shine]

Just a comment - I seriously doubt that Cruise's current behavior is the result of an "ethics handling" from Scientology, as has been suggested. No one would "handle" him except Miscavige, and Miscavige would ONLY handle him in the direction of more high profile dissemination. No, this is a revolt against Miscavige - there is no doubt in my mind about that.

Yes, there's something in his eyes isn't there?I feel he is between a rock and a hard place, yet some internal decision has been taken. He just has to find a way.

 

[degraded being]

In Limbo?

In Limbo? Could be there a loooong time.
Nothing dramatic will happen.DM can't pis Tom off too much cos he's a celeb "opinion leader" (according to cult constructs).
TC doesn't need dramatic "entheta". He will never do a Jason.

Ho hum ...boring!

 

[Aerial]

I tend his conduct in this interview is due to him having a movie coming out, not to mention his recent Golden Globe nomination.

I agree he is very subdued, so much so that I find him unconvincing. His demeanor now is the polar opposite to his (fake ) euphoric, maniacal couch jumping escapades when he was promoting War of the Worlds....and we know how that ended up. don't we?

I see this as attempt to salvage Valkyrie, though I'd like to think there's more to it, I'm afraid that this is just spin.

 

[degraded being]

I agree. Just the look of him is totally different. It is not Tommy's descent into melancholy that some seem to be suggesting. It is MAKE UP and MAKEOVER. It is his new persona and I speculate that it aligns with the character thay he plays in his to-be-released movie.

The "character" he is now projecting is the Hollywood-actor-who-is-doing-more-serious-parts-now.
We will see more of it. A more quiet, reserved Tom Cruise who has paid his dues and is set to go into the first stages of senior actor. Not an overnight job. He'll be on it for a few years.

It's all part of the show.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Every clip I see of him lately- he seems to be acting a lot like Miscavige. I won't use the Scn-ese for it- most of you will know what phrases I'm thinking of. But, yeah, I really feel I'm perceiving a marked similarity there.