'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jentzsch
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afaceinthecrowd
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Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
WOW…whatta great pic! Thanks a bunch Free to shine!
I realized while commenting on Toady’s post that my first personal encounter with Yvonne was very similar to my last although they were well over a decade apart. It was a real "HFS" moment when this dawned on me.
Yvonne was giving me a final checkout on TR O Bullbait. She sat down in the coaches chair, smiled her special smile, “admiration bombed” me and placed her hand on my cheek.
“You’re such a sweet, pretty boy Face,” she purred in my ear. My face flushed beet red and I busted up, grinning from ear to ear.
“Flunk”, Yvonne said. I had been working on TR O Bullbait for hours and hours and been worked over by some really tough coaches and thought I was “flat”. It took another couple of grueling grilling hours before I got a “Pass” from Yvonne.
Our paths crossed off and on up until just before she passed on. As I look back on things now Yvonne’s presence, style and class was a major influence on my continuing in Scn, joining the SO and wanting to go to Flag and work directly with El Ron. I thought that Clear and OT, SO, Flag Crew and working with El Ron was why she was the way she was…so dynamic in such a perfectly measured yet commanding way.
Of course, I now know that Yvonne was how she was despite of Scn, So and El Ron. Yvonne, and a handful of other stellar souls that, like here, had rare gifts are what put Scn on the map. She helped a lot of folks with her caring inspiration. I am fortunate to have known her, to have spent some time in contact with her and she had a profound influence on my life…a positive influence. Yvonne was the “Snow White” of “White Scientology”.
F you, El Ron.
May the Grace of this Universe be with Yvonne and the other “White Horses” Hisself rode on and beat to death.
Face
I borrowed this from Janis's FB, I hope she doesn't mind. (Click for larger version.)
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WOW…whatta great pic! Thanks a bunch Free to shine!
I realized while commenting on Toady’s post that my first personal encounter with Yvonne was very similar to my last although they were well over a decade apart. It was a real "HFS" moment when this dawned on me.
Yvonne was giving me a final checkout on TR O Bullbait. She sat down in the coaches chair, smiled her special smile, “admiration bombed” me and placed her hand on my cheek.
“You’re such a sweet, pretty boy Face,” she purred in my ear. My face flushed beet red and I busted up, grinning from ear to ear.
“Flunk”, Yvonne said. I had been working on TR O Bullbait for hours and hours and been worked over by some really tough coaches and thought I was “flat”. It took another couple of grueling grilling hours before I got a “Pass” from Yvonne.
Our paths crossed off and on up until just before she passed on. As I look back on things now Yvonne’s presence, style and class was a major influence on my continuing in Scn, joining the SO and wanting to go to Flag and work directly with El Ron. I thought that Clear and OT, SO, Flag Crew and working with El Ron was why she was the way she was…so dynamic in such a perfectly measured yet commanding way.
Of course, I now know that Yvonne was how she was despite of Scn, So and El Ron. Yvonne, and a handful of other stellar souls that, like here, had rare gifts are what put Scn on the map. She helped a lot of folks with her caring inspiration. I am fortunate to have known her, to have spent some time in contact with her and she had a profound influence on my life…a positive influence. Yvonne was the “Snow White” of “White Scientology”.
F you, El Ron.
May the Grace of this Universe be with Yvonne and the other “White Horses” Hisself rode on and beat to death.
Face
Gadfly
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Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
You make a great point. These random amazing, overly-present and commanding folks, such as Yvonne, were WHO they were/are IN SPITE OF Scientology. They were just WHO THEY WERE! And, too many believers along the way made the very big mistake of assuming that they were who and what they were because of Scientology.
These people were interesting, capable, intelligent and likeable REGARDLESS of Scientology. These people would have been this way no matter where they found themselves in life.
The "able", "bright" and "attractive" are paraded around in Scientology and presented as an example of "a product of Scientology". More often than not, THAT is NOT the case at all. These people are who and what they are because that is who and what they are!
Despite Scientology.
WOW…whatta great pic! Thanks a bunch Free to shine!
I realized while commenting on Toady’s post that my first personal encounter with Yvonne was very similar to my last although they were well over a decade apart. It was a real "HFS" moment when this dawned on me.
Yvonne was giving me a final checkout on TR O Bullbait. She sat down in the coaches chair, smiled her special smile, “admiration bombed” me and placed her hand on my cheek.
“You’re such a sweet, pretty boy Face,” she purred in my ear. My face flushed beet red and I busted up, grinning from ear to ear.
“Flunk”, Yvonne said. I had been working on TR O Bullbait for hours and hours and been worked over by some really tough coaches and thought I was “flat”. It took another couple of grueling grilling hours before I got a “Pass” from Yvonne.
Our paths crossed off and on up until just before she passed on. As I look back on things now Yvonne’s presence, style and class was a major influence on my continuing in Scn, joining the SO and wanting to go to Flag and work directly with El Ron. I thought that Clear and OT, SO, Flag Crew and working with El Ron was why she was the way she was…so dynamic in such a perfectly measured yet commanding way.
Of course, I now know that Yvonne was how she was despite of Scn, So and El Ron. Yvonne, and a handful of other stellar souls that, like here, had rare gifts are what put Scn on the map. She helped a lot of folks with her caring inspiration. I am fortunate to have known her, to have spent some time in contact with her and she had a profound influence on my life…a positive influence. Yvonne was the “Snow White” of “White Scientology”.
F you, El Ron.
May the Grace of this Universe be with Yvonne and the other “White Horses” Hisself rode on and beat to death.
Face
You make a great point. These random amazing, overly-present and commanding folks, such as Yvonne, were WHO they were/are IN SPITE OF Scientology. They were just WHO THEY WERE! And, too many believers along the way made the very big mistake of assuming that they were who and what they were because of Scientology.
These people were interesting, capable, intelligent and likeable REGARDLESS of Scientology. These people would have been this way no matter where they found themselves in life.
The "able", "bright" and "attractive" are paraded around in Scientology and presented as an example of "a product of Scientology". More often than not, THAT is NOT the case at all. These people are who and what they are because that is who and what they are!
Despite Scientology.
chuckbeatty
Patron with Honors
Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
A very beautiful woman!
Terry, her daughter, has Yvonne's likeness.
http://las.mlxchange.com/LASimages/16/213008_1_28.jpg
Hawt . . .
A very beautiful woman!
Terry, her daughter, has Yvonne's likeness.
http://las.mlxchange.com/LASimages/16/213008_1_28.jpg
lkwdblds
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Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
WELL... Much of what Skip Press says is true including his basic premise. However, his article, IMO, is not totally objective but it is colored a bit by his own bad experiences at CCLA. He endured some very bad experiences working at CC which have colored his articles with his own personal biases. Nothing wrong with this, it is natural that this would occur but when you speak of objectivity, that can be compromised in an article when the writer has strong personal biases.
I was full time public at CCLA from October 1970 to 1971 and then joined the Sea Org there and served for 2 years, with Yvonne as my Commanding Officer. I was transfered to the flagship Apollo in October of 1973 and there, within 2 months, I routed out of the Sea Org.
All my exploits at CCLA are thoroughly written up on the ESMB thread which I started, "The Old Days - Aboard the Appollo 1973". The section devoted to Yvonne and Celebrity Center is contained in pages 4 to 20 of the Apollo 1973 thread. After that she is mentioned dozens of additional times. The ESMB thread, "Celebrity Centre - Story of Origin" was written by me as a separate thread on December 25, 1990. This thread covers CC's story of origin and how Yvonne came to be its founder.
Getting back to Skip's article, I recall him well. He was a tall, thin, blonde kid who drifted in from Texas. He worked for a branch of CCLA called Axioms Productions. The most tangible evidence of Axiom's presence was that they ran the snack bar inside the CCLA building. I am not sure what they did but perhaps they were some sort of booking agency for CCLA. Axioms was headed up by a guy named Dale Benson. In Yvonne's eyes, Benson could do no wrong. In the early days, Skip was a dedicated and hard working staff member. I left before he got shafted and became disaffected.
A minor point is that the pay there for a full time staff was not $5 a week but rather $10 a week. I believe that for an Expeditor who was just starting, they paid only $5 a week until that person got some basic hatting called Staff Status I and II. $10 in the early 70's is equivalent to $50 or $60 in today's watered down script er I mean money.
Another thing is that I was in Treasury Division as Director of Disbursements for nearly the entire 2 years that I was in the Sea Org. I never once lied to even one creditor. Hubbard's policy stated that if we could not pay a bill when due, we had to put the creditor's bill on a "date line" and set aside 5% or 10% of each week's adjusted gross income to pay off the dateline back bills.
Another key ingredient was to write a letter to the creditor and let them know approximately when their bill was going to be paid. I did this routinely and the creditors were basically very cooperative. Our date line started out at about six weeks but income was such that in about a year, we brought the date line current. When I went to various stores to make purchases, such as Kelly Paper Company, the workers there actually knew me and thought highly of Celebrity Centre because we always paid and if we were late, we sent letters telling them when they would be paid. AS WITH SO MANY THINGS, WHAT HUBBARD WROTE FOR OTHERS TO DO MIGHT HAVE MERIT BUT HE PERSONALLY DID NOT FOLLOW HIS OWN TEACHINGS!
As regards Yvonne, Skip describes her perfectly. Also true is her sleeping only 2 or 3 hours a night. We staff and also the public were fed the bullshit line that really OT people such as Yvonne (an old OT 7), need only a few hours sleep each night because sleep was mainly done so that engrams would destimulate but OT's had rid themselves of their engrams. Yes we were very gullable!!
Yvonne was brilliant and operated with incredible intention. She was quite inspiring and she was a magnet for Celebrities. In their eyes, she was the real celebrity and most of them would do anything to please her.
With all of her chutzpah, she did have some flaws and one of them was to not seek out medical help if she perceived herself to be sick. She firmly believed that all sickness occurred only through PTSness. She lived that false maxim all the way to her premature death. The maxim does have some truth to it but it is by no means true 100% of the time and even if it were true, it would not preclude medical treatment once a disease was noticed.
Skip, working in Axioms, had more Celebrity Contact than I did working in Treasury and everything that he mentions about specific celebrities is either true as I recall it or it is something I did not know. The items which are new to me are interesting and all sound very plausible.
I ran into Yvonne in October, 1977 at the Flag Land Base in Clearwater. She came to my room with an aide and we talked for about 10 minutes. Though she would be dead in three months, she did not look ill and did not reveal her illness to me. I was shocked when I got the news of her death a few months later.
Lakey
Wasn't sure where to place this story so HERE it is, comments are open and already being trolled by the Ronbots.
I found it an interesting read that fills in a few gaps of history, enjoy!
WELL... Much of what Skip Press says is true including his basic premise. However, his article, IMO, is not totally objective but it is colored a bit by his own bad experiences at CCLA. He endured some very bad experiences working at CC which have colored his articles with his own personal biases. Nothing wrong with this, it is natural that this would occur but when you speak of objectivity, that can be compromised in an article when the writer has strong personal biases.
I was full time public at CCLA from October 1970 to 1971 and then joined the Sea Org there and served for 2 years, with Yvonne as my Commanding Officer. I was transfered to the flagship Apollo in October of 1973 and there, within 2 months, I routed out of the Sea Org.
All my exploits at CCLA are thoroughly written up on the ESMB thread which I started, "The Old Days - Aboard the Appollo 1973". The section devoted to Yvonne and Celebrity Center is contained in pages 4 to 20 of the Apollo 1973 thread. After that she is mentioned dozens of additional times. The ESMB thread, "Celebrity Centre - Story of Origin" was written by me as a separate thread on December 25, 1990. This thread covers CC's story of origin and how Yvonne came to be its founder.
Getting back to Skip's article, I recall him well. He was a tall, thin, blonde kid who drifted in from Texas. He worked for a branch of CCLA called Axioms Productions. The most tangible evidence of Axiom's presence was that they ran the snack bar inside the CCLA building. I am not sure what they did but perhaps they were some sort of booking agency for CCLA. Axioms was headed up by a guy named Dale Benson. In Yvonne's eyes, Benson could do no wrong. In the early days, Skip was a dedicated and hard working staff member. I left before he got shafted and became disaffected.
A minor point is that the pay there for a full time staff was not $5 a week but rather $10 a week. I believe that for an Expeditor who was just starting, they paid only $5 a week until that person got some basic hatting called Staff Status I and II. $10 in the early 70's is equivalent to $50 or $60 in today's watered down script er I mean money.
Another thing is that I was in Treasury Division as Director of Disbursements for nearly the entire 2 years that I was in the Sea Org. I never once lied to even one creditor. Hubbard's policy stated that if we could not pay a bill when due, we had to put the creditor's bill on a "date line" and set aside 5% or 10% of each week's adjusted gross income to pay off the dateline back bills.
Another key ingredient was to write a letter to the creditor and let them know approximately when their bill was going to be paid. I did this routinely and the creditors were basically very cooperative. Our date line started out at about six weeks but income was such that in about a year, we brought the date line current. When I went to various stores to make purchases, such as Kelly Paper Company, the workers there actually knew me and thought highly of Celebrity Centre because we always paid and if we were late, we sent letters telling them when they would be paid. AS WITH SO MANY THINGS, WHAT HUBBARD WROTE FOR OTHERS TO DO MIGHT HAVE MERIT BUT HE PERSONALLY DID NOT FOLLOW HIS OWN TEACHINGS!
As regards Yvonne, Skip describes her perfectly. Also true is her sleeping only 2 or 3 hours a night. We staff and also the public were fed the bullshit line that really OT people such as Yvonne (an old OT 7), need only a few hours sleep each night because sleep was mainly done so that engrams would destimulate but OT's had rid themselves of their engrams. Yes we were very gullable!!
Yvonne was brilliant and operated with incredible intention. She was quite inspiring and she was a magnet for Celebrities. In their eyes, she was the real celebrity and most of them would do anything to please her.
With all of her chutzpah, she did have some flaws and one of them was to not seek out medical help if she perceived herself to be sick. She firmly believed that all sickness occurred only through PTSness. She lived that false maxim all the way to her premature death. The maxim does have some truth to it but it is by no means true 100% of the time and even if it were true, it would not preclude medical treatment once a disease was noticed.
Skip, working in Axioms, had more Celebrity Contact than I did working in Treasury and everything that he mentions about specific celebrities is either true as I recall it or it is something I did not know. The items which are new to me are interesting and all sound very plausible.
I ran into Yvonne in October, 1977 at the Flag Land Base in Clearwater. She came to my room with an aide and we talked for about 10 minutes. Though she would be dead in three months, she did not look ill and did not reveal her illness to me. I was shocked when I got the news of her death a few months later.
Lakey
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Auditor's Toad
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Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
If what I wrote in any way appeared to imply Yvonne was at all trampy - my sincere apologies. I think all who had the pleasure of being around her knew she was a real lady.
In starting to write about Yvonne I also started choking up before I could scratch the surface of the many nice things I saw her do and the wonderful memories I have of her.
Like many others, no doubt I wanted to be around her - she was just wonderful!
I've seen her put a staff member in treason and have them laughing about it and looking forward to working up to back on post after being busted to the decks.
For certain, she is one of the very very few really incredible people ever.
I still love her. And this thread still makes me cry.
I’ve read some stories on the Net (don’t remember where or from whom) about El Ron hitting on her in the early SO days in the Med (I wasn’t there in first couple of years). I think maybe Dart or Alan wrote some about it, as well as one or two others. Those stories re: El Ron and Yvonne makes sense to me…knowing Hisself and Yvonne. She was not a “come on” in any way or a “vamp”…she was, inside and out, head to toe, an absolutely stunningly sincere, brilliant and attractive woman and El Ron was…well El Ron was Hisself. Having known both El Ron and Yvonne I, personally, believe this story to be credible. Yvonne consistently put the best interests and well being of others before herself. And, she was nobodies fool...'cepting, like me, El Ron's.
I wasn’t in LA when Yvonne started CC from nothing but her vision, grace and determination. Purple Haze was there near the beginning and Lakey has posted a detailed narrative on ESMB about some of CC’s early days.
I saw Yvonne cleaning the pool at the Ft. Harrison, too…it was gut wrenching and heartbreaking to see for all that knew her. She was not on the RPF…she was doing self assigned “amends” for her “Overts” and “Transgressions” over the decade or so she was the Commanding Officer, Celebrity Centre.
Thank you for this post, Toady. You, Ogs and so many of all y’all are the folks whose voices continue to “draw me out”.
Yvonne was truly one of the finest persons I have ever known, as well.
More later...my heart is aching right now.
Face
If what I wrote in any way appeared to imply Yvonne was at all trampy - my sincere apologies. I think all who had the pleasure of being around her knew she was a real lady.
In starting to write about Yvonne I also started choking up before I could scratch the surface of the many nice things I saw her do and the wonderful memories I have of her.
Like many others, no doubt I wanted to be around her - she was just wonderful!
I've seen her put a staff member in treason and have them laughing about it and looking forward to working up to back on post after being busted to the decks.
For certain, she is one of the very very few really incredible people ever.
I still love her. And this thread still makes me cry.
afaceinthecrowd
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Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
We cool, Toady.
I didn't think you in any way portrayed Yvonne as being trampy.
I was just making sure that anyone that didn't know Yvonne and someday reads this thread understands that she was, as you said so well, a real lady.
Your story of her and the staff member in treason is pure Yvonne. This thread is cartharsis for me...thanks, pal...I share your tears.
Thanks Ogs for your OP...thanks a whole big bunch...this is a good thing you did!
Face
We cool, Toady.
I didn't think you in any way portrayed Yvonne as being trampy.
I was just making sure that anyone that didn't know Yvonne and someday reads this thread understands that she was, as you said so well, a real lady.
Your story of her and the staff member in treason is pure Yvonne. This thread is cartharsis for me...thanks, pal...I share your tears.
Thanks Ogs for your OP...thanks a whole big bunch...this is a good thing you did!
Face
lkwdblds
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Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
I concur fully with the wonderful posts written by Face and Toady. Yvonne was a class act all the way. She was really too good and ethical of a being to serve in the Sea Org and dedicate her life to LRH. Rather than her cleaning the pool at Flag as an ammends, LRH and his Sea Org Execs should have built her a pool. They should have rolled out a red carpet everywhere she walked and had someone behind her sweeping up her red carpet after she passed.
She was just too clean and too talented of a being to devote herself to that motley crew although at the time, almost none of us knew that.
Lakey
We cool, Toady.
I didn't think you in any way portrayed Yvonne as being trampy.
I was just making sure that anyone that didn't know Yvonne and someday reads this thread understands that she was, as you said so well, a real lady.
Your story of her and the staff member in treason is pure Yvonne. This thread is cartharsis for me...thanks, pal...I share your tears.
Thanks Ogs for your OP...thanks a whole big bunch...this is a good thing you did!
I concur fully with the wonderful posts written by Face and Toady. Yvonne was a class act all the way. She was really too good and ethical of a being to serve in the Sea Org and dedicate her life to LRH. Rather than her cleaning the pool at Flag as an ammends, LRH and his Sea Org Execs should have built her a pool. They should have rolled out a red carpet everywhere she walked and had someone behind her sweeping up her red carpet after she passed.
She was just too clean and too talented of a being to devote herself to that motley crew although at the time, almost none of us knew that.
Lakey
Jachs
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Re: 'Death by Devotion:Tragic Tale of Scientology Celeb. Cntr. Brainchild Yvonne Jent
Purring..Smile...Flunk... thats cruel..what a great TR sessionIt was a real "HFS" moment when this dawned on me.
Yvonne was giving me a final checkout on TR O Bullbait.
She sat down in the coaches chair, smiled her special smile, “admiration bombed” me and placed her hand on my cheek.
“You’re such a sweet, pretty boy Face,” she purred in my ear. My face flushed beet red and I busted up, grinning from ear to ear.
“Flunk”, Yvonne said. I had been working on TR O Bullbait for hours and hours and been worked over by some really tough coaches and thought I was “flat”.
It took another couple of grueling grilling hours before I got a “Pass” from Yvonne.
I am fortunate to have known her, to have spent some time in contact with her and she had a profound influence on my life…a positive influence. Yvonne was the “Snow White” of “White Scientology”.
F you, El Ron.
May the Grace of this Universe be with Yvonne and the other “White Horses” Hisself rode on and beat to death.
Face
Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
The show must go on . . .
Another tease from Mark Bunker, this time talking about the goings-on at the Celebrity Centre . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CMQdx8AfgE
Another tease from Mark Bunker, this time talking about the goings-on at the Celebrity Centre . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CMQdx8AfgE