do scientologist pray?

[Operating DB]

Well when I was a brand new person just finding out what scn was, I was told that there were even priests and nuns that were practicing scn's. (I was a devout Catholic convert at the time). And the Reg told me that as a way to ease my mind if I could be any religion I wanted and still be a scn....

When I was a Div 6'er: We automatically told all new people that they could be any religion they wanted and be a scn (yet inside, rolling our eyes, and realizing that before they got to far in scn, they'd only accept scn and most likely reject their prev religions).

I personally had never met any OT's that was also some other religion, or prayed.

It was sorta....idk....discouraged (imho) to believe in any 'higher power' 'outside power' kinda thing.

Like others said: YOU are your 'own' God and are at 'complete cause' over your own life, and if anything at all went wrong in your life, YOU were to look over WHY and correct it....

Now believe it or not....I'm NOT completely against this idea even now in my life...YET...idk about the complete cause thing....I can't explain what I mean, either....maybe I'll return to this post and try to explain later.

What I'm trying to say is: I don't think that one can 100% completely cause and control EVERY SINGLE thing about their mind, body, life.

I mean take medical conditions/diseases for example: I've known many, many people who ate perfectly, took all the proper vitamins, exercised, etc.etc.. all the stuff one's supposed to do to prevent getting ill, and they'll get Cancer....and even die from it...even at a young age....see? And I bet they've even been 'good people' and didn't 'pull it in' cuz of some 'out-ethics' either!

Stuff like that.

I think to a certain degree, that we are at the mercy of some issues... if say...one's genetics predisposed one to getting certain illnesses, how can one really stop/change THAT?

I'm still not able to explain myself all that well, damn it.

Eons ago I learned that our big, or tiny, universe is one big old randomity. What happens, happens and that's that!
All the prayers and wishful thinking, good or negative, aint gonna change anything. Things just happen! Just accept what comes along and enjoy the ride and/or make the best of what comes along, negative or positive. Accepting this really takes the stress out of living. There is no such thing as LRH's delusional idea of Clear and OT.

 

[uniquemand]

It used to be we all could pray. But various ministries eventually monitored our thoughts so that it became difficult to pray. Had to go to the proletariat area and still be wary of security and their devices. Now it is risky to pray with Messiah Obama monitoring our devotion to political correctness. You see we cannot offend any religion in the US. But the original religion of the founders may freely be offended.

Feel free to pray. Obama couldn't care less. It won't make you any smarter, though.

 

[Vinaire]

Eons ago I learned that our big, or tiny, universe is one big old randomity. What happens, happens and that's that!
All the prayers and wishful thinking, good or negative, aint gonna change anything. Things just happen! Just accept what comes along and enjoy the ride and/or make the best of what comes along, negative or positive. Accepting this really takes the stress out of living. There is no such thing as LRH's delusional idea of Clear and OT.

Well said!

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[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

I remember getting Scientology junk mail with

"Repair the Ravages of the week with the Scientology Sunday Services "

I remember thinking how fatalistic it was assuming my week was filled with Ravages ... They must have confused my with someone on staff or in the Sea Org.

 

[Winston Smith]

Thank you unique one

Feel free to pray. Obama couldn't care less. It won't make you any smarter, though.

I don't talk much about my spiritual life because of responses like yours. But I will say one thing--mind control, be it Scn or "1984" or the Democratic Party, depends on denegrating those who put their trust in places other than in man (or government). I do not pray to "make me any smarter." For those like you, I wish I had an answer you would like, but I am afraid you are too skeptical or warped to accept any explanation.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

You see we cannot offend any religion in the US. But the original religion of the founders may freely be offended.

The founders did not uniformly hold to any religious view. If anything they tended to be rather notorious as "free thinkers".

The contrary belief is a myth put forth by conservative christian traditionalists. They use it to justify their own attempts to interfer in and alter the secular politics which dominate american government.


Mark A. Baker

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

It used to be we all could pray. But various ministries eventually monitored our thoughts so that it became difficult to pray. Had to go to the proletariat area and still be wary of security and their devices. Now it is risky to pray with Messiah Obama monitoring our devotion to political correctness. You see we cannot offend any religion in the US. But the original religion of the founders may freely be offended.

Considering Obama and his family have gone to church more in the last week than I have gone in the last ten years, I'm not too worried about him impeding my right to pray or practice religion ... if I ever do get around to doing so again.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

The founders did not uniformly hold to any religious view. If anything they tended to be rather notorious as "free thinkers".

The contrary belief is a myth put forth by conservative christian traditionalists. They use it to justify their own attempts to interfer in and alter the secular politics which dominate american government.


Mark A. Baker

Exactly it's just the opposite of what the conservative christian traditionalists would like to have everyone believe. The founding Fathers clearly wanted a nation with religious freedom and not a single state religion, which was a very radical concept for it's time. And practicing no religion is a religious freedom in itself.

 

[FinallyFree]

The founders did not uniformly hold to any religious view. If anything they tended to be rather notorious as "free thinkers".

The contrary belief is a myth put forth by conservative christian traditionalists. They use it to justify their own attempts to interfer in and alter the secular politics which dominate american government.


Mark A. Baker

Whaaaa? Are you serious? Are you from the USA?

 

[FinallyFree]

I don't talk much about my spiritual life because of responses like yours. But I will say one thing--mind control, be it Scn or "1984" or the Democratic Party, depends on denegrating those who put their trust in places other than in man (or government). I do not pray to "make me any smarter." For those like you, I wish I had an answer you would like, but I am afraid you are too skeptical or warped to accept any explanation.

I second this

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Considering Obama and his family have gone to church more in the last week than I have gone in the last ten years, I'm not too worried about him impeding my right to pray or practice religion ... if I ever do get around to doing so again.

Yeah, but didja get a load of the church they were attending? Hoo boy!

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Yeah, but didja get a load of the church they were attending? Hoo boy!

The Church he was attending in Chicago seemed to be a bit spirited, I'm not sure the type of Church he is attending now in Washington DC. The funny thing about it is I heard so much about Jeremiah Wright, but I have never met anyone on the internet or in real life who have listened to a single one of Jeremiah Wright's sermons in it's entirety ... including myself. I didn't find Jeremiah Wright interesting enough to bother listening to one of his sermons so I didn't and I guess neither did anyone else I met.

 

[uniquemand]

The Church he was attending in Chicago seemed to be a bit spirited, I'm not sure the type of Church he is attending now in Washington DC. The funny thing about it is I heard so much about Jeremiah Wright, but I have never met anyone on the internet or in real life who have listened to a single one of Jeremiah Wright's sermons in it's entirety ... including myself. I didn't find Jeremiah Wright interesting enough to bother listening to one of his sermons so I didn't and I guess neither did anyone else I met.

The only Chuch I've ever been in where I didn't think that there was something fucked up going on was the Zen Center in San Francisco. Every single other Church was full of people who thought they were in communication with some sort of extra-planar intelligence, whether it was a BT, or God, or whatever. KOOKS!

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

The only Chuch I've ever been in where I didn't think that there was something fucked up going on was the Zen Center in San Francisco. Every single other Church was full of people who thought they were in communication with some sort of extra-planar intelligence, whether it was a BT, or God, or whatever. KOOKS!

I went to a Unitarian Church which was a really pleasant experience, the best way I can describe is an "Attitude Free Zone" No one acted as if they had an exclusive on salvation

 

[Winston Smith]

"Church" vs the inner spirit

Considering Obama and his family have gone to church more in the last week than I have gone in the last ten years, I'm not too worried about him impeding my right to pray or practice religion ... if I ever do get around to doing so again.

It is hard for me to define or describe, but my praying has nothing to do with any organized religion. It surely is fun to castigate Christians, if only because they are a big target. As I earlier posted, I do not like quarreling about this subject. It is no one's business but the individual's business. Period.

Before our supposed "enlighted" time, God was considered a central part of America. Read just about any soldier's diary from the Civil War, WW I or II.
For me, I wish America were half as spiritual as then. For one thing instead of arguing religion with no end to it, it was a glue that held the country together. Now it has lost is binding power.

 

[uniquemand]

I went to a Unitarian Church which was a really pleasant experience, the best way I can describe is an "Attitude Free Zone" No one acted as if they had an exclusive on salvation

They seem pretty tame. I went to a service once, enjoyed it. However, I suspect them of believing in spirits.

 

[Tiger Lily]

I went to a Unitarian Church which was a really pleasant experience, the best way I can describe is an "Attitude Free Zone" No one acted as if they had an exclusive on salvation

They seem pretty tame. I went to a service once, enjoyed it. However, I suspect them of believing in spirits.

I agree about the Unitarian Church -- my experiences there have been wonderful without any of the better-than-thou thinking you see in many churches. The people I encountered were very accepting and open to other people. It was very refreshing.

UM -- I chuckled at your post. Honestly, some do, and some don't. It's a very diverse group. you might even be comfortable there! :wink2:

TL