Do you possess a hidden "OT" ability?

[F.Bullbait]

What ? The milk bottle ? I don't know where you are living.... have you never heard there something about a chamber pot ?:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_pot

How about wearing Depends? Don't have to get out of bed.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I just don't get why others have thrown the whole spiritual baby out with the bathwater just because they got mauled by Scientology.

Yeah, I've noticed that too.

Kinda tough to address without suggesting something akin to rehabbing failed purposes or whatever.

(I don't even know if that well-known Scn approach is viable or not).

Paul

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

I know OTs claim to be able to get parking spots, read thoughts etc, but a nice idea might be to consider the actual abilities of a real OT that we know are true:

- The ability to disconnect from friends and family.
- The ability to look away from the internet.
- The ability to ignore or explain away criticism.
- The ability to ignore your own doubts.
- The ability to accept the tech even though you don't have real abilities.
- The ability to lie and cheat critics of the church.
- The ability to hand over enormous amounts of money for no actual product.
- The ability to hold contradictory ideas in your head without discomfort.

 

[strativarius]

I got in Scientology to enhance my spiritual side, and just because I got fucked over, doesn't mean that I am now an atheist and eschew all things spiritual. I am still looking and this sojourn in Hubbard Land was but one step along the crooked trail through the forest of lies. I just don't get why others have thrown the whole spiritual baby out with the bathwater just because they got mauled by Scientology.

I have been posting spiritual stuff since I began posting here, some ignored, some liked and some, well, attacked. I guess I hope to rekindle that spark that others may have lost.

Ah, the eternal optimist.

Mimsey

Mimsey, you probably have me down as a cold, soulless, reductionist materialist, but what exactly is it that you seek? "Enhancing one's spiritual side" sounds a very worthy goal, but I have not the faintest idea what it really means. Can you 'enlighten' me? - No pun intended.

 

[strativarius]

How about wearing Depends? Don't have to get out of bed.

Give me a break! Peeing in a milk carton is one thing, wearing a nappy and peeing into that is something else completely. :wink2:

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

Apparently, the reason people wake up before the alarm is well understood. You need enough sleep in order to do it, though, which I never do. At the moment, I wake up before the alarm because of the sun. In winter, I will need the alarm.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Apparently, the reason people wake up before the alarm is well understood. You need enough sleep in order to do it, though, which I never do. At the moment, I wake up before the alarm because of the sun. In winter, I will need the alarm.

Nah - people can wake up without outside influences. You may not be able to but many can. The whole thing about waking depending on the sun - it doesn't hold water because the sun rises at a different times each day. Then you have daylight savings thrown in as well. Plus some days are over cast and others are bright.

So, no, it is not well understood when you wipe those reasons off the table.

Mimsey

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Mimsey, you probably have me down as a cold, soulless, reductionist materialist, but what exactly is it that you seek? "Enhancing one's spiritual side" sounds a very worthy goal, but I have not the faintest idea what it really means. Can you 'enlighten' me? - No pun intended.

Not at all. How could I do that to anybody who plays a strat?

This whole business has a long history - long before JC walked on water, most people believed in gods how they ruled the land, so must be appeased, some worshiped, or sacrificed to, etc.and along comes this Greek philosopher Epicurus who said there are only two things: Atoms and void (space) He said among other things, belief in gods or that they listen to your prayers or care a whit what you do is delusion. A hundred years later Lucretius wrote a poem based on that called "On the Nature of Things"

When the Christians took over the Roman empire, they, like zealots everywhere, believed their God was the only true god, and trashed any semblance of learning that the Greeks and Romans had, calling their learning Pagan beliefs. It wasn't until the 1400's that the poem was recovered and, with the advent of the printing press, got widely distributed. The Jesuits and the Dominicans attacked it mercilessly, for it preached that religious fear was damaging to human life, and that one should live a life seeking pleasure - not seeking pleasure from excess - drunken revelry, screwing anything that moves, lust and greed for money etc but from living a good life. Essentially it preached that you had to live the best life you could since it was your only shot.

In essence - it said there is no god, rather that the atoms exist forever, and they combine into different forms. The forms live and die, and their atoms get redistributed to other forms.

So, to reconcile the this assault, two schools of thought evolved - one - the mechanical view of life - man is an organic machine etc. all very science oriented, and the other - all is religion: god made it all, responds to our prayers etc. there is no global warming, god made the world in 7 days, and another religion believes all other religions are the work of infidels. Go fundamentalist thinking!

Both sides are equally closed minded - it's their way or the highway. However, more and more people believe there's a third school of thought, that man / life / consciousness can not be explained by mechanical processes, that there must be a spiritual side to it. So both extremes are melded together.

That is the school of thought I tend to believe in. Neither extreme makes much sense to me standing by them selves

So Strat, what do you believe?

Mimsey

 

[uncover]

Well, I'm not proposing this as the only avenue of communication, but don't forget about our usually-present spiritual guides (not Hubbard's BTs or ACW's Spiritual Teammates). I don't know their rule-book and what the dividing line is between over-interfering in our lives and just being helpful.

"Hey Rhama, should I have the mushroom pizza or the pepperoni one?" is obviously too much, but "STOP!" as one is about to step off into the path of an unseen/unheard car certainly isn't. That has happened to me a few times now.

Paul

And .... could the "spiritual guide" (or BT, or angel) "STOP!" the car in time ?

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

Nah - people can wake up without outside influences. You may not be able to but many can. The whole thing about waking depending on the sun - it doesn't hold water because the sun rises at a different times each day. Then you have daylight savings thrown in as well. Plus some days are over cast and others are bright.

So, no, it is not well understood when you wipe those reasons off the table.

Mimsey

The article I quoted essentially makes the point that there are chemical biological clocks inside the brain that are well understood. They have nothing to do with outside cues. I didn't make that clear.

In my case, it doesn't work because being wicked, I don't get enough rest.

The reason Phenomenon wakes up on time is that she is evidently not wicked. My condolences, Phenomenon. You know not what you miss.

 

[Gib]

Why do you continue to call these experiences OT? Hubbard stole everything and renamed it with a scientology definition. The experiences are real but scientology is fake.

yah, that was one of the tricks, call some phenomenon as OT.

 

[Gib]

Mimsey, you probably have me down as a cold, soulless, reductionist materialist, but what exactly is it that you seek? "Enhancing one's spiritual side" sounds a very worthy goal, but I have not the faintest idea what it really means. Can you 'enlighten' me? - No pun intended.

here you go, mest beings vs theta beings, a story told by Ron in the PDC's. LOL

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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And .... could the "spiritual guide" (or BT, or angel) "STOP!" the car in time ?

No. Not your spiritual guide.

But the car's spiritual guides (i.e. "teammates") could decide to intervene and brake in time.

By whatever name or designation (e.g. BT's, spiritual guides, guardian angels, spiritual teammates, angels, divine comrades, ethereal helpers, et al) our invisible PFEs (Power-Flowing Entities) are much more able than many give them credit for!

Example: Right at the very moment, my body's bt's bypassed me and got in com with my computer directly! I know, that might not be good.

It gets worse. . .

Then my body's spiritual helpmates bypassed my computer and got directly in com with my computer's spiritual teammates, at first appropriately making themselves known and finding out what is needed and wanted. After those standard NonE formalities, my computer's spiritual teammates started typing on their own!

Hence, this entire post that you just read; and. . .

"Hello to all terminals on ESMB! We are HH's computer's
spiritual teammates! Kindly let us know what is needed and wanted!"

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ML,
HH's computer's spiritual teammates

cc: HH, HH's spiritual teammates,

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[lotus]

I can't explain it, but I am accustomed to waking up when I need or want without benefit of any external stimuli.
I almost always know which direction is North.
My biggest OT ability is waking up during the night in order to get up and go to the bathroom to pee.

Thankfully, the invention of the milk bottle negated the need for some of us to get up in the night (especially cold winter ones) and go to the bathroom to pee.

Stratty. Successfully lowering the tone of bulletin board discussions since 1997.

How about wearing Depends? Don't have to get out of bed.

Give me a break! Peeing in a milk carton is one thing, wearing a nappy and peeing into that is something else completely. :wink2:

You guys are so funny!

It seems you're having the same wins than the toddlers in the kindergarten

One thing I never get is when people are talking about ''getting'' spiritual or getting more spiritual or reach spiritual height
Assuming, human beings, because of their awareness of being aware are spiritual beings...well..why would they go on a quest to ''become'' spiritual or get more spiritual
????


To me it's like a green plant thinking ''well..I wanna be veggie..or learn to be more veggie..or reaching a higher state veggyness...''

The [STRIKE]spiritual [/STRIKE] vegyness quest
To be veggie or not to be ?????

(although the quest of finding who we are, why, life meaning , is there a god, life after death......is different..it's a quest ..it's trying to understand or to get answers about life mysteries , wich is another thing than trying to be ''spiritual'' or getting more ''spiritual'' or enhancing our ''spirituality'' like looking for ''spiritual'' wins...to reach new heights..)

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

You guys are so funny!

It seems you're having the same wins than the toddlers in the kindergarten

One thing I never get is when people are talking about ''getting'' spiritual or getting more spiritual or reach spiritual height
Assuming, human beings, because of their awareness of being aware are spiritual beings...well..why would they go on a quest to ''become'' spiritual or get more spiritual
????


To me it's like a green plant thinking ''well..I wanna be veggie..or learn to be more veggie..or reaching a higher state veggyness...''

The [STRIKE]spiritual [/STRIKE] vegyness quest
To be veggie or not to be ?????

(although the quest of finding who we are, why, life meaning , is there a god, life after death......is different..it's a quest ..it's trying to understand or to get answers about life mysteries , which is another thing than trying to be ''spiritual'' or getting more ''spiritual'' or enhancing our ''spirituality'' like looking for ''spiritual'' wins...to reach new heights..)

If you, like me, considered yourself at a plateau, and felt there was more to life, that being exterior at will would be a plus, ( like being able to go to see any movie and not have to pay for it) etc. and wanting all of the Mc Guffins Scientology was offering, I think you would feel like there was room for improvement, as I did.

I, frankly, wanted all those things Hubbard offered, but I was on the fence, because, somewhere deep inside, I wasn't convinced I could have it. I wanted those abilities, as easily as snapping my fingers. Oh Mimsey, what is on the dark side of the moon? Oh, hang on while I leave my body and take a look...

Example - anybody who has ever been at the NY Org when it was in the Martinique, knows how damn heavy the doors are that go into reception. You have to strain to open them, yet when one of the Class 8's was first returning to the org from the ship, I opened the door as if it was a feather to let him in - in fact I almost smacked the wall with it. I could do these kinda things if I didn't think about them. But I couldn't do them otherwise. The door was always it's normal weight after that, but the memory of it's weightlessness remains.

I am the reason Hubbard wrote the policies about not talking case - I wanted to know if others were getting these wins for real. I wanted theta perceptics. I wanted it all. When I read Otto Rooses success story about seeing through the bulk heads of the Royal Scots Man I wanted to do that. In other words, I bought Hubbard's story, that we are at the bottom of the dwindling spiral, and with some case gain, we can resurge and can be free beings once again.

But you must remember this, there is a tape called the Free Being which is as space opera as you could wish, and in it was the seed of all my suspicions. When Hubbard talks about an OT ripping the air cover and giving the planet a spin, relocating the equator at the poles, and thus quick freezing all of the Mammoths - he used the word could. An OT could have ripped the air cover off. Not did. Could have. It bugged me for years.

So Lotus, the vegetable wanted to be a non-GMO super veggie. Which reminds me:

[video=youtube;FsDmD1zFh8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDmD1zFh8Y[/video]

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I got in Scientology to enhance my spiritual side, and just because I got fucked over, doesn't mean that I am now an atheist and eschew all things spiritual. I am still looking and this sojourn in Hubbard Land was but one step along the crooked trail through the forest of lies. I just don't get why others have thrown the whole spiritual baby out with the bathwater just because they got mauled by Scientology.

I have been posting spiritual stuff since I began posting here, some ignored, some liked and some, well, attacked. I guess I hope to rekindle that spark that others may have lost.

Ah, the eternal optimist.

Mimsey

I don't know if everyone has thrown the whole idea of spirituality out the window Mims ... perhaps some of us are just wary of being part of a discussion that ends up a bit weird and silly, because it's the weirdness and silliness of scientology that many of us longed to get away from (and cult and indie oatee "success stories" are usually ridiculous).

It could just be me but I don't want input (or even worse, advice) from others (who are still basically scientologists) about spirituality ... for me, true spirituality is not about showing off and doing tricks it's about something quite different and personal.

It's a nice thread though.

 

[lotus]

But you must remember this, there is a tape called the Free Being which is as space opera as you could wish, and in it was the seed of all my suspicions. When Hubbard talks about an OT ripping the air cover and giving the planet a spin, relocating the equator at the poles, and thus quick freezing all of the Mammoths - he used the word could. An OT could have ripped the air cover off. Not did. Could have. It bugged me for years.

So Lotus, the vegetable wanted to be a non-GMO super veggie. Which reminds me:

Mimsey,

May I throw in a personnal experience ? not intending to lecture people on anything, but just to give an example of a personal ''spiritual'' experience!

I ever mentionned, here on the board, having encountered lord of Death, for real. I suffered terribly, over humane capacity of standing such pain, in a long agony for 2 long days!
I remember I yelled and screamed to god to take me and to people to kill me...and I was wandering between this earth realm and out there other realm...I still recall every things I experienced at the time, either with or without loss of consiousness
When I have been taken to an hospital and seen in emergency by 5-6 surgeons..It was too late,...since I was dying as some major organs have ruptured and already failed.

They took me in the operating room to give a try, but told me they didn't think they could make it..neither me would stolerate it...
I said: Do your job, and I'll do mine, I am strong!
I recall having said to the young lady surgeon who smiled at me..'' I am glad to spend the last minutes of my life with you, since you have a beautiful smile and I know you will take care of me''

2 days later I woke up...and the surgeon couldn't explain how I survived this. She told me I had been so calm and resilient
I knew why...and told her..Because I've learned to breath...for 10 years of meditation...and I had an angel looking after me!

In my wandering I encountered an angel, a real one..It was a young lady, white hair, she looked like a fairy..and she hold my hand..and flow a lot of love and compassion to me...
she never talk a single word...she just smile and hold my hands in all my recall...I could see her soul and she could see mine...we would communicate without a word.
When the angel wasn't there..
Each breath I would say: I breathe, thus I am alive...and some times it would bring me out of the suffering...another place..
And I could survive one breathe at the time...

A few hours later..someone came in my room..I saw her legs and dress..it was the angel....but I was awake...and didn't understand what was happening...
She sat down..took my hand..smiled at me..didn't say a word...And again I felt all this strong energy and love she flowed to me...

I told her I remember she has been my angel and held my hand...I asked who she was...

The girl was a resident surgeon (26 years old)...and she saved my life.

She saved my life another time..for an emergency and infection ..she didn't say a word to me...nothing...and I told her..she would remain my angel for the rest of my life and her eyes watered
The day after, a muslim lady came to bathe me...I was so weak..she didn't say a word..but was so gentle..she took care of me as if I was a newborn...and I smiled at ther...to thank her...Same with a nurse..who would came to look after me and do some difficult procedure with so gentleness..to ensure I was comfortable... She would take my hand..and smile to me...

It took 4 months to get out of this situation and about 2 years to fully recover.

I was certain I had encounter God , when I was in between, and really encounter the true nature of the spirit..which is pure unconditional love, understanding, pure light!
This ended up any quest for GOD, truth and spirituality betterment. It's right her, right there...when the brain circuits and inner struggling shut down a little bit, especialy in moments of unwanted vulnerability!

When I die next time, I want to go to the same places I went...with peace, confidence, love and with a smile...an angel holding my hand...
I don't want any guru, book, but I would like Bach to make peaceful music to beautify my last mental images...

I promess that L. Ron Hubtard..wasn't there...neither any $cientologist to give me any process..(thank god) and none of any $cientology I did was of help..
only love and breathing had saved me! So now...my ''spiritual quest'' is very selfish..I want to not forget to breath , to love and smile till my next last day comes!

This last day of my life was the most intense and important. So each day I tried to not forget to keep being prepared and at peace the most as I can!

It's only a personal experience, but it has impacted my whole life since I got a second chance and I wont waste it with spiritual woo woo!:wink2:
I know life already gave me all there is to have and to know. It's just a matter of doing my very best at being my TRUE SELF (also trying to see others true self) and not letting hamsters (wheels) to take over! It's a tough job!

 

[I told you I was trouble]

That is a beautiful, heartfelt story Sis ... thank-you for sharing it.

I love the concept of angels and (since leaving the cult) have "allowed myself" to enjoy them. I have some beautiful, vintage, religious prints of angels that I have grouped on a wall and various old, porcelain ones and I'm currently in the process of making a 4 foot high angel myself. As well as a halo of roses and gorgeous feathered wings she'll be wearing a knitted cardigan, discreetly holding a joint and carrying a very nice handbag (I know ... there's clearly something wrong with me).

I've discovered that Angels come in many forms ... some have 4 legs and even a tail and some are people we may never physically meet but adore from afar ... because we seem to recognise each other.

I'm glad your angels protected you while you breathed and healed.

 

[George Layton]

Not at all. How could I do that to anybody who plays a strat?

This whole business has a long history - long before JC walked on water, most people believed in gods how they ruled the land, so must be appeased, some worshiped, or sacrificed to, etc.and along comes this Greek philosopher Epicurus who said there are only two things: Atoms and void (space) He said among other things, belief in gods or that they listen to your prayers or care a whit what you do is delusion. A hundred years later Lucretius wrote a poem based on that called "On the Nature of Things"

When the Christians took over the Roman empire, they, like zealots everywhere, believed their God was the only true god, and trashed any semblance of learning that the Greeks and Romans had, calling their learning Pagan beliefs. It wasn't until the 1400's that the poem was recovered and, with the advent of the printing press, got widely distributed. The Jesuits and the Dominicans attacked it mercilessly, for it preached that religious fear was damaging to human life, and that one should live a life seeking pleasure - not seeking pleasure from excess - drunken revelry, screwing anything that moves, lust and greed for money etc but from living a good life. Essentially it preached that you had to live the best life you could since it was your only shot.

In essence - it said there is no god, rather that the atoms exist forever, and they combine into different forms. The forms live and die, and their atoms get redistributed to other forms.

So, to reconcile the this assault, two schools of thought evolved - one - the mechanical view of life - man is an organic machine etc. all very science oriented, and the other - all is religion: god made it all, responds to our prayers etc. there is no global warming, god made the world in 7 days, and another religion believes all other religions are the work of infidels. Go fundamentalist thinking!

Both sides are equally closed minded - it's their way or the highway. However, more and more people believe there's a third school of thought, that man / life / consciousness can not be explained by mechanical processes, that there must be a spiritual side to it. So both extremes are melded together.

That is the school of thought I tend to believe in. Neither extreme makes much sense to me standing by them selves

So Strat, what do you believe?

Mimsey

I believe there are a lot more than "either they went with this or they went with that " out there.
The reason it bothers me to see any sort of experience labeled with a scientology term is that scientology is made to enhance scientology. It is like a vanity enhancement program, that I believe is the antithesis of the spiritual side of life.
There have been views of the third school of thought around for a long time, but there are so many scams that will use some inner discipline technique to make money or develop a thrall over others that it buries any sort of deeper inner development.

This was published in 1939 and talks about the spiritual side of the person, free to read and no invites into any groups.
https://archive.org/details/PathOfTheMasters_201501

but it's not something to teach you to get into movies free or teach you the ability to jump out of the body and travel to wherever you please.

 

[lotus]

That is a beautiful, heartfelt story Sis ... thank-you for sharing it.

I love the concept of angels and (since leaving the cult) have "allowed myself" to enjoy them. I have some beautiful, vintage, religious prints of angels that I have grouped on a wall and various old, porcelain ones and am currently in the process of making a 4 foot high one myself. As well as a halo of roses and gorgeous feathered wings she'll be wearing a knitted cardigan, discreetly holding a joint and carrying a very nice handbag (I know ... there's clearly something wrong with me).

I've discovered that Angels come in many forms ... some have 4 legs and even a tail and some are people we may never physically meet but adore from afar ... because we seem to recognise each other.

Yes...See it that way too!
I think angels are allegories of real people, animals, or whomever had made things that appears magical to us..since it's way over what would be expected as a gift of love!
I have a strong faith in angels, wether they have 2 feet, 4 legs, a tail, or a big nose...lol
And sometimes, we become those angels for others when they need to be taken care of:wink2:

I must admit you are the only one I know of who put clothes and handbag to her anglels ....And a joint ???? A joint to smoke ???? ..lol

Well..my angels gives morphine & dilaudid for free ...lol

Where will you post your angel at work ????