Do you possess a hidden "OT" ability?

[F.Bullbait]

Did you ever see his TV show You Bet Your Life? He would ask questions like "how much does a nickel cigar cost?" or " What large animal does whale bone come from?" and people would get them wrong. There's a bunch on Youtube.

Yes, I used to watch the originals back in the day. Much later, I saw reruns until I had enough of that. Do miss his off-the-cuff remarks; that's when he sparkled.

 

[mischief]

Not at all. How could I do that to anybody who plays a strat?

This whole business has a long history - long before JC walked on water, most people believed in gods how they ruled the land, so must be appeased, some worshiped, or sacrificed to, etc.and along comes this Greek philosopher Epicurus who said there are only two things: Atoms and void (space) He said among other things, belief in gods or that they listen to your prayers or care a whit what you do is delusion. A hundred years later Lucretius wrote a poem based on that called "On the Nature of Things"

When the Christians took over the Roman empire, they, like zealots everywhere, believed their God was the only true god, and trashed any semblance of learning that the Greeks and Romans had, calling their learning Pagan beliefs. It wasn't until the 1400's that the poem was recovered and, with the advent of the printing press, got widely distributed. The Jesuits and the Dominicans attacked it mercilessly, for it preached that religious fear was damaging to human life, and that one should live a life seeking pleasure - not seeking pleasure from excess - drunken revelry, screwing anything that moves, lust and greed for money etc but from living a good life. Essentially it preached that you had to live the best life you could since it was your only shot.

In essence - it said there is no god, rather that the atoms exist forever, and they combine into different forms. The forms live and die, and their atoms get redistributed to other forms.

So, to reconcile the this assault, two schools of thought evolved - one - the mechanical view of life - man is an organic machine etc. all very science oriented, and the other - all is religion: god made it all, responds to our prayers etc. there is no global warming, god made the world in 7 days, and another religion believes all other religions are the work of infidels. Go fundamentalist thinking!

Both sides are equally closed minded - it's their way or the highway. However, more and more people believe there's a third school of thought, that man / life / consciousness can not be explained by mechanical processes, that there must be a spiritual side to it. So both extremes are melded together.

That is the school of thought I tend to believe in. Neither extreme makes much sense to me standing by them selves

So Strat, what do you believe?

Mimsey

Just sarted reading through this thread cos .... yep, me too.

But, really? Epicurus said that?
hmmmm how is hell did he get to work that one out? Have we got missing history? As I understood it, microscopes are a relatively recent invention.
He is correct. More space than anything else.

 

[Lee_from_phx]

We have all heard of the "OT" ability to know who's calling us, texting us, e-mailing us etc, and many have had the experience whether they chalk it up to coincidence, serendipity or random chance. Some know it is a theta or psi link or telepathy of some sort. Others think there is no way on earth it can be anything other than chance.

Likewise, turning down a crowded aisle in a mall "knowing" there's a parking space to be found. More woo woo no doubt.

But how about this one: Knowing when to wake up. What on earth are you on about Mimsey? I'll tell you.

Many people go to bed and think - I'll get up in 7 hrs, or I'll wake at 6:30 and they do. Many wake before their alarm clock goes off. And our modern alarms are completely silent till they erupt with an ear splitting racket.

Oh! Oh! I know! You are predicting when it will go off! It's from habit - you always wake at that time.

Really? What about the people that don't use an alarm clock? How do you explain that?

You ever wonder how that happens? Most people don't have a clue what time it is without looking at a watch, cell phone, wrist sundial, or observing the position of the sun etc.

Yet, while totally asleep, with no external stimuli (birds chirping, room getting light, etc.) many people wake up when they want to. How do they wake before the alarm shatters their dreams? Or, like me, never use an alarm clock at all?

If anyone on this board can explain it - I'd like to hear it.

Mimsey

I walk without crutches. How I'm able to move about without the help of such aids amazes all my friends.

All joking aside, the ability to wake at a particular time is perfectly normal. Our modern reliance on external timekeepers is a recent development. Before alarm clocks became ubiquitous, employees were still expected to be at work on time.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

How To Do Telepathy

To send messages telepathically, think a thought, then take that thought and put it someplace else -- wherever you want that thought to go. But it might not be recognized as a message -- people often have thoughts popping into their mind, which they then dismiss because they think it's their own thought.

To receive messages telepathically, just be open to the fact that people all around you are sending -- even though they are normally not intending to. You cannot "read someone's mind"; if they are not sending, there's nothing to receive. But again, if you dismiss that thought as being one of your own authorship, you will not know you have received anything.

We all have what I call "sockets" which we use to connect with others telepathically. (The use of the same word as what computers use for internet communication is intentional.) But a case phenomenon presents "plugs" which fit into those sockets and "use them up", keeping them from being used for their normal purpose.

Helena

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Just sarted reading through this thread cos .... yep, me too.

But, really? Epicurus said that?
hmmmm how is hell did he get to work that one out? Have we got missing history? As I understood it, microscopes are a relatively recent invention.
He is correct. More space than anything else.

I have no idea how he came to that conclusion, but he did. I, likewise was ignorant of his writing, and one of my clients recommended me to read The Swerve: How The World Became Modern. it is the story of how

Poggio Bracciolini, a papal secretary whose Pope had been overthrown and replaced, and who dealt with his loss of power and income by searching monasteries in Germany and Switzerland for forgotten scripts. His greatest discovery was Lucretius' long poem On The Nature Of Things, which he copied and had distributed, ensuring that it became a seminal document of the emerging Renaissance.

https://www.amazon.com/Swerve-How-World-Became-Modern/dp/0393343405

The poem by Lucretius is based on Epicurus' works as Stephen Greenblatt (Ph.D. Yale) discusses in his book. You can read the poem here:

http://classics.mit.edu/Carus/nature_things.html

De rerum natura (Latin: [deː ˈreːrũː naːˈtuːraː]; On the Nature of Things) is a first-century BC didactic poem by the Roman poet and philosopher Lucretius (c. 99 BC – c. 55 BC) with the goal of explaining Epicurean philosophy to a Roman audience. The poem, written in some 7,400 dactylic hexameters, is divided into six untitled books, and explores Epicurean physics through richly poetic language and metaphors.[1]

Lucretius presents the principles of atomism; the nature of the mind and soul; explanations of sensation and thought; the development of the world and its phenomena; and explains a variety of celestial and terrestrial phenomena. The universe described in the poem operates according to these physical principles, guided by fortuna, "chance," and not the divine intervention of the traditional Roman deities.[2]

Interestingly, Ben Franklin, the author notes, stated he was an Epicurian.

Mimsey

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

I walk without crutches. How I'm able to move about without the help of such aids amazes all my friends.

All joking aside, the ability to wake at a particular time is perfectly normal. Our modern reliance on external timekeepers is a recent development. Before alarm clocks became ubiquitous, employees were still expected to be at work on time.

My point was that it is unexplained how exactly that happens without external influence, such as in a dark room. I can generally get up within 10 minutes of the time I intend to sleep be it 5 or 6 hrs or a cat nap.

Because it is an adequately unexplained natural phenomena, in my mind, it points towards the possibility that man is more than a organic machine, however complex it may be. I likened to to the Scientology OT powers Hubbard foisted off on us in his penchant for "discovering" and selling us abilities we already posses.

Mimsey

 

[strativarius]

Mimsey, please don't misunderstand my reason for writing this, I'm not criticizing or wanting to correct you, I'm simply pointing out something that you (and only you here on esmb) do frequently, that is, break down words that should be a single word into two. Here are a few examples gleaned from your recent posts:

news paper
over reacted
time stamp
hind sight
whale bone
foot notes
video taping
meaning full
boot leg (copies)

You do it with such unfailing regularity that I find it far more fascinating than all your posts about ESP etc. put together. Why don't you research this phenomena yourself instead? I'm sure there must be a syndrome with a long scientific sounding name to describe this behaviour. It does add a quirky twist to your otherwise eloquent posts.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Mimsey, please don't misunderstand my reason for writing this, I'm not criticizing or wanting to correct you, I'm simply pointing out something that you (and only you here on esmb) do frequently, that is, break down words that should be a single word into two. Here are a few examples gleaned from your recent posts:

news paper
over reacted
time stamp
hind sight
whale bone
foot notes
video taping
meaning full
boot leg (copies)

You do it with such unfailing regularity that I find it far more fascinating than all your posts about ESP etc. put together. Why don't you research this phenomena yourself instead? I'm sure there must be a syndrome with a long scientific sounding name to describe this behaviour. It does add a quirky twist to your otherwise eloquent posts.

I don't know why I separate the words thus. You would think, because of the many times I reread the final version and edit it, I would catch them. Perhaps it has to do with my weak grades in English back in grammar school? My ability to write greatly improved when I did the Key to Life course, and which I consider to be perhaps, one of Hubbard's greatest achievements. The follow up course was pretty lame IMO. I use spell check a lot because I have dyslectic fingers that don't always translate my thoughts all that well. More and more I find myself substituting words: buy for by, there for their. I was concerned whether is was due to aging (I am 69) or the dread big A. So I take lots of vitamins to try and stave off the aging process in my brain.

I read that doing new things helps the brain from deteriorating - I read an article about a woman who was a world renowned athlete in her 70's 80's and she did a variety of field and track sports. When they did an autopsy (she willed her body to science) her brain showed much neuron growth.

So I go to the gym 3x a week, I do cross words, am teaching my self to touch type, play the guitar, in addition to running my construction business, all in the hopes I won't end up a babbling vegetable.

Since you know a lot about guitar - why are there several versions of the F#m chord? Some of the videos i watch show it as a barre chord, some not. Is it just preference, or is there an actual reason like they are making it easier by using an altered version?

Mimsey

 

[Lee_from_phx]

My point was that it is unexplained how exactly that happens without external influence, such as in a dark room. I can generally get up within 10 minutes of the time I intend to sleep be it 5 or 6 hrs or a cat nap.

Because it is an adequately unexplained natural phenomena, in my mind, it points towards the possibility that man is more than a organic machine, however complex it may be. I likened to to the Scientology OT powers Hubbard foisted off on us in his penchant for "discovering" and selling us abilities we already posses.

Mimsey

The explanation is simple. Human beings have been blessed by evolution with an internal clock. Being able to accurately judge the time is a valuable trait that natural selection will favor. Being in the right place at the right time can mean the difference between eating or not, among other things. Therefore human beings have evolved this ability. As for waking up at a particular time, I can do the same thing. If I need to wake up at a certain time, I do so, provided I'm well rested. This isn't unusual.

How is it that people can remember telephone numbers that are not stored in a smart phone? Turns out that this ability, something that most people past a certain age take for granted, is actually rare among millennials. They have become dependent upon an external device to remember phone numbers for them, just as many people depend upon clocks to know the time or to wake up. Neither the possession of an internal clock, nor the ability to remember telephone numbers, is a supernatural ability. Both are ordinary abilities that everyone has, but not everyone exercises.

Whether human beings are something more than biochemical machines is not a question I know the answer to, but I know that possessing an internal clock doesn't provide any clues.

However, I do agree with you that Hubbard would pretend that ordinary abilities were extraordinary as part of his life-long quest to separate fools from their money.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

The explanation is simple. Human beings have been blessed by evolution with an internal clock. Being able to accurately judge the time is a valuable trait that natural selection will favor. Being in the right place at the right time can mean the difference between eating or not, among other things. Therefore human beings have evolved this ability. As for waking up at a particular time, I can do the same thing. If I need to wake up at a certain time, I do so, provided I'm well rested. This isn't unusual.

How is it that people can remember telephone numbers that are not stored in a smart phone? Turns out that this ability, something that most people past a certain age take for granted, is actually rare among millennials. They have become dependent upon an external device to remember phone numbers for them, just as many people depend upon clocks to know the time or to wake up. Neither the possession of an internal clock, nor the ability to remember telephone numbers, is a supernatural ability. Both are ordinary abilities that everyone has, but not everyone exercises.

Whether human beings are something more than biochemical machines is not a question I know the answer to, but I know that possessing an internal clock doesn't provide any clues.

However, I do agree with you that Hubbard would pretend that ordinary abilities were extraordinary as part of his life-long quest to separate fools from their money.

I also read that looking up stuff on Google that you know but can't recall, is destructive of memory, since the process of recall isn't being used.

If humans have that ability, why then are they so dismal at knowing what time during the day it is, in lieu of looking at watches, the position of the sun etc, yet they wake up from a deep sleep on time?

Mimsey

 

[freethinker]

Don't you realize that the only ones who need an alarm clock are those who don't want to wake up?

We have all heard of the "OT" ability to know who's calling us, texting us, e-mailing us etc, and many have had the experience whether they chalk it up to coincidence, serendipity or random chance. Some know it is a theta or psi link or telepathy of some sort. Others think there is no way on earth it can be anything other than chance.

Likewise, turning down a crowded aisle in a mall "knowing" there's a parking space to be found. More woo woo no doubt.

But how about this one: Knowing when to wake up. What on earth are you on about Mimsey? I'll tell you.

Many people go to bed and think - I'll get up in 7 hrs, or I'll wake at 6:30 and they do. Many wake before their alarm clock goes off. And our modern alarms are completely silent till they erupt with an ear splitting racket.

Oh! Oh! I know! You are predicting when it will go off! It's from habit - you always wake at that time.

Really? What about the people that don't use an alarm clock? How do you explain that?

You ever wonder how that happens? Most people don't have a clue what time it is without looking at a watch, cell phone, wrist sundial, or observing the position of the sun etc.

Yet, while totally asleep, with no external stimuli (birds chirping, room getting light, etc.) many people wake up when they want to. How do they wake before the alarm shatters their dreams? Or, like me, never use an alarm clock at all?

If anyone on this board can explain it - I'd like to hear it.

Mimsey

 

[Rmack]

I had an interesting experience once. I think I've mentioned it before on the board, but oh well, I only have so much material.

I had a dream one time where I dreamed I woke up, looked over at the red digital clock and saw the time. Let's say 8:20, but I forget the exact time. I then woke up temporarily, and saw that it wasn't 8:20 yet, but much earlier, then went back to sleep, and woke up at exactly 8:20!